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  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,836
    jose said:
    I have credit on the Dartford charge just in case I find myself using that crossing.
    I wish there was a single simplified system to cover it all, ULEZ, congestion, and river crossings. As well as the totally incomprehensible nationwide car parking systems, and for any fines.
    If there were such a system I would scrape together something like £50 credit to avoid stress when interacting with those systems.
    In the face of all this nerd generated malarkey I wish we could get back to simple and straightforward cash.
    Sadiq Khant has done a good job as Mayor, he has been elected three times. I live around the corner from the late Ella Adoo Kissi Debra hard by the South Circular, and the death of the poor girl has led to cleaner air round my way thanks to the action of Khan and his team.
    Sometimes you wish you could LOL a post multiple times. 
    Vladimir Putin keeps getting elected too.
    Am no fan of Khan and I dont agree that getting electected 3 times is necessarily a good measure of whether someone has done a good job.

    But are you genuinely suggesting Khan has rigged elections in the same way Putin has? 
    Not in the slightest,  was just making a point that you don't have to be good at your job to keep it.
    Probably says more about the apathy of voters, that he is still in power and also a slur on the other political parties for not running credible alternatives against him at election time.
    Or perhaps people think he’s done a good job and worth re electing. 
    Since he was elected, my experience of living and working in London has improved significantly
    Out of interest, what's changed. Clean air?
    If I were to pick 3 things:

    In my experience it's safer - I was robbed on the street 5 times between 2006 and 2012 and I've never felt as unsafe since I moved back in 2017

    Public transport is better. The SL4, Elizabeth line and night tube make life much easier.

    Cycling infrastructure is amazing and I can pretty much get anywhere I need to without cycling alongside cars.

    Could be others as well but I generally don't have much to complain about. It's an amazing city to live in.
    What area(s) were you robbed in mate?
    It’s mad how it works out. I’m 56, have lived in London all my life and only personally know one person who has ever been mugged. 
    Born and raised in Deptford, lived there for 25 years, lived in West Croydon for 14 years. Both abject, utter shitholes. Never mugged, only know of 2 people who were. Know more people who've been mugged in Bolton, for fucks sake 🤣 
  • Charlton_Charlie
    Charlton_Charlie Posts: 1,453
    Not the main topic of conversation I realise, but my son was mugged (age 12) on Shooters Hill, returning home from school and I was mugged (I say mugged, the bloke pulled a machete) for my Vespa on Holloway Road...it's only my wife who's got away with it all so far in our house...
  • Leeds_Addick
    Leeds_Addick Posts: 4,946
    jose said:
    I have credit on the Dartford charge just in case I find myself using that crossing.
    I wish there was a single simplified system to cover it all, ULEZ, congestion, and river crossings. As well as the totally incomprehensible nationwide car parking systems, and for any fines.
    If there were such a system I would scrape together something like £50 credit to avoid stress when interacting with those systems.
    In the face of all this nerd generated malarkey I wish we could get back to simple and straightforward cash.
    Sadiq Khant has done a good job as Mayor, he has been elected three times. I live around the corner from the late Ella Adoo Kissi Debra hard by the South Circular, and the death of the poor girl has led to cleaner air round my way thanks to the action of Khan and his team.
    Sometimes you wish you could LOL a post multiple times. 
    Vladimir Putin keeps getting elected too.
    Am no fan of Khan and I dont agree that getting electected 3 times is necessarily a good measure of whether someone has done a good job.

    But are you genuinely suggesting Khan has rigged elections in the same way Putin has? 
    Not in the slightest,  was just making a point that you don't have to be good at your job to keep it.
    Probably says more about the apathy of voters, that he is still in power and also a slur on the other political parties for not running credible alternatives against him at election time.
    Or perhaps people think he’s done a good job and worth re electing. 
    Since he was elected, my experience of living and working in London has improved significantly
    Out of interest, what's changed. Clean air?
    If I were to pick 3 things:

    In my experience it's safer - I was robbed on the street 5 times between 2006 and 2012 and I've never felt as unsafe since I moved back in 2017

    Public transport is better. The SL4, Elizabeth line and night tube make life much easier.

    Cycling infrastructure is amazing and I can pretty much get anywhere I need to without cycling alongside cars.

    Could be others as well but I generally don't have much to complain about. It's an amazing city to live in.
    What area(s) were you robbed in mate?
    It’s mad how it works out. I’m 56, have lived in London all my life and only personally know one person who has ever been mugged. 
    Across Charlton, Lee and Kidbrooke. I imagine I was pretty unlucky but I do feel like SE London generally has got safer over the past 10 years or so.

  • clive
    clive Posts: 20,735

    Silvertown Tunnel cuts delays in first year, says TfL

    TfL's 12-month monitoring report said journey times had fallen significantly around the Blackwall Tunnel, with northbound journeys between Sun in the Sands and the tunnel being, on average, 58% quicker during the morning peak and 47% quicker in the evening peak compared with 2024/25.

    The report also found:

    • Morning peak journeys on the route were 126% faster, while southbound journeys between Bow Roundabout and the Blackwall Tunnel were 70% faster

    • There was a 2% decrease in weekday northbound traffic on the A12

    • A 23% reduction in over-height vehicle incidents at the Blackwall Tunnel since the new tunnel's opening - before the Silvertown link opened, the Blackwall Tunnel saw 700 closures a year which were often caused by stuck HGVs

    • Journey times at the Rotherhithe Tunnel had increased, with weekday traffic rising by 3%, but attributed this to issues in key operating systems.

    • Demand for the Woolwich Ferry also stands above pre-Silvertown Tunnel levels, with operations also affected by technical problems

    • Average nitrogen dioxide (NO₂) concentrations in the area had fallen by 17% compared with the year prior to the tunnel opening, but this had also been declining over the past five years

    • Traffic across both east London river crossings has remained below pre-tunnel levels, with no increase in weekday cross-river journeys despite the opening of the Silvertown Tunnel

    TfL said more than 11% of all tunnel trips were now made by bus, a 290% increase on levels before the tunnel opened, with more than 10,000 journeys crossing the Thames each day on routes 108, 129 and SL4.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8rggryjpo

  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 5,653
    So does that summarise as fewer using it than before it opened and traffic up at Rotherhite and the Ferry BUT those that are using it are enjoying much faster journeys?

    I guess that was expected / logical. 
  • They conveniently leave off the fact that the numbers using the two tunnels have, in my estimation anyway, reduced. As others have said, they could have just introduced the toll without spending millions on the Silvertown tunnel and ended up with the same 'improvements', but they're never going to admit to that.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 20,735

    The cost of driving through the Blackwall and Silvertown tunnels will increase from Monday 21 September, Transport for London (TfL) says.

    Peak charges for cars and small vans travelling northbound between 06:00-10:00 and southbound between 16:00-19:00 on weekdays will rise by 5% from £4 to £4.20. Off-peak charges will increase by 5p to £1.55.

    Heavy goods vehicles will see charges increase by 5% each way to £5.25 (off-peak) and £10.50 at peak times. Charges are payable seven days a week for journeys made between 06:00 and 22:00.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4dre9z365o

  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,426
    I know longer live in london but I think one of the reasons london may be safer in terms of muggings etc is the evolution of technology. People don't really carry cash as much these days and phones are better protected than before.
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 11,815
    clive said:

    The cost of driving through the Blackwall and Silvertown tunnels will increase from Monday 21 September, Transport for London (TfL) says.

    Peak charges for cars and small vans travelling northbound between 06:00-10:00 and southbound between 16:00-19:00 on weekdays will rise by 5% from £4 to £4.20. Off-peak charges will increase by 5p to £1.55.

    Heavy goods vehicles will see charges increase by 5% each way to £5.25 (off-peak) and £10.50 at peak times. Charges are payable seven days a week for journeys made between 06:00 and 22:00.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4dre9z365o

    It's going up 20pence to help balance the flow of traffic 🤣 


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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 36,654
    clive said:

    The cost of driving through the Blackwall and Silvertown tunnels will increase from Monday 21 September, Transport for London (TfL) says.

    Peak charges for cars and small vans travelling northbound between 06:00-10:00 and southbound between 16:00-19:00 on weekdays will rise by 5% from £4 to £4.20. Off-peak charges will increase by 5p to £1.55.

    Heavy goods vehicles will see charges increase by 5% each way to £5.25 (off-peak) and £10.50 at peak times. Charges are payable seven days a week for journeys made between 06:00 and 22:00.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4dre9z365o

    Funny how they express the increase to the peak time charge by a % (5) but the off peak by a monetary value (5p). 

    The cynic in me suggests they think some people will just see the numbers being the same & think no more about it. But we all know that a 5% increase to the off-peak charge is 7.5p.....not 5p. 

    So, we are shafted YET AGAIN.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,694
    I understand why the charge was introduced and I'm fine with the peak/off-peak and Northbound/Southbound differences. 

    Don't understand the need for the price increase so soon after introduction. Give it a full year at least right?
  • Dave Rudd
    Dave Rudd Posts: 3,100
    edited July 30
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  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 11,815
    I understand why the charge was introduced and I'm fine with the peak/off-peak and Northbound/Southbound differences. 

    Don't understand the need for the price increase so soon after introduction. Give it a full year at least right?
    Well it says it in tfls email. It's to help balance the flow of traffic.
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 5,653
    I understand why the charge was introduced and I'm fine with the peak/off-peak and Northbound/Southbound differences. 

    Don't understand the need for the price increase so soon after introduction. Give it a full year at least right?
    No. TFL need all the help they can to help fund your ‘grossly underpaid’ Tube  drivers 😉😀😆

    But to be serious it’s simply because they can without any negative impact to income streams. 

    Those that have adapted to paying for this route likely won’t change habits with this level of absolute monetary change. It doesn’t push people beyond a limit - yet. That’s my guess on their financial modelling. 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,694
    I understand why the charge was introduced and I'm fine with the peak/off-peak and Northbound/Southbound differences. 

    Don't understand the need for the price increase so soon after introduction. Give it a full year at least right?
    No. TFL need all the help they can to help fund your ‘grossly underpaid’ Tube  drivers 😉😀😆

    But to be serious it’s simply because they can without any negative impact to income streams. 

    Those that have adapted to paying for this route likely won’t change habits with this level of absolute monetary change. It doesn’t push people beyond a limit - yet. That’s my guess on their financial modelling. 
    But their books are relatively healthy (operating surplus despite debt for infrastucture investment). I guess my point is why now? I always expected annual rises and adjustments but either start of the financial year like with public transport or annually from its start date. Just finding it a little odd timing if nothing else.
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 5,653
    I understand why the charge was introduced and I'm fine with the peak/off-peak and Northbound/Southbound differences. 

    Don't understand the need for the price increase so soon after introduction. Give it a full year at least right?
    No. TFL need all the help they can to help fund your ‘grossly underpaid’ Tube  drivers 😉😀😆

    But to be serious it’s simply because they can without any negative impact to income streams. 

    Those that have adapted to paying for this route likely won’t change habits with this level of absolute monetary change. It doesn’t push people beyond a limit - yet. That’s my guess on their financial modelling. 
    But their books are relatively healthy (operating surplus despite debt for infrastucture investment). I guess my point is why now? I always expected annual rises and adjustments but either start of the financial year like with public transport or annually from its start date. Just finding it a little odd timing if nothing else.
    Maybe the ‘real time’ finances and forecasts aren’t as healthy as the ‘backward looking’ ones and it just creates a bit of a buffer. 

    Cynically doing it way ahead of mayoral elections might be a motive so no one is introducing  much in the way of rises immediately prior to that?
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 2,302
    Used to be free....
  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,570
    I understand why the charge was introduced and I'm fine with the peak/off-peak and Northbound/Southbound differences. 

    Don't understand the need for the price increase so soon after introduction. Give it a full year at least right?
    No. TFL need all the help they can to help fund your ‘grossly underpaid’ Tube  drivers 😉😀😆

    But to be serious it’s simply because they can without any negative impact to income streams. 

    Those that have adapted to paying for this route likely won’t change habits with this level of absolute monetary change. It doesn’t push people beyond a limit - yet. That’s my guess on their financial modelling. 
    But their books are relatively healthy (operating surplus despite debt for infrastucture investment). I guess my point is why now? I always expected annual rises and adjustments but either start of the financial year like with public transport or annually from its start date. Just finding it a little odd timing if nothing else.
    Boris signed off on annual March and September increases. You know what a great negotiator (and indeed human) that guy was…
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 2,629
    Used to be free....
    So did getting air for your tyres and water for your screenwash at petrol garages. 

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  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 53,175
    edited July 31
    I set up a TFL London Road User auto pay yesterday, payable by direct debit (for the Blackwall Tunnel).
    I think it said you get a monthly statement, is that correct, do you get a notification etc?
    Sorry to be lazy, but was trying to log in for nearly 24 hours and it was telling me my password was wrong (it wasn't).
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,740
    The TFL system is deliberately designed to be difficult to use. Almost impossible to reset a password and a need to remember a 2000 digit user reference. I am sire it is so they can collect more fines.

    On e it is set up on a vehicle or vehicles its very easy you just pay a fortune every month and they send you an email with an attachment that tells you how much they have made you overdrawn by. Sometimes this even arrives in your main email rather than junk mail.
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 2,302
    edited July 31
    Used to be free....
    So did getting air for your tyres and water for your screenwash at petrol garages. 

    But have they been free since 1897?

    Why now is it suddenly costly for a traveller?
    They have expanded the tunnel since 1897, with no requirement to pay a toll.  And yet in the 21st century it seems a toll is now required, and one that seemingly increases shortly after opening.
    And one I would wager will keep increasing... 
  • stevexreeve
    stevexreeve Posts: 1,447
    Maybe think of it like parking. You used to be able to park almost anywhere on the "public highway". That would be absurd now and journeys would take forever if drivers had to negotiate cars parked along major A roads and town centres. So it's not free anymore!


  • R0TW
    R0TW Posts: 2,015
    Used to be free....
    So did getting air for your tyres and water for your screenwash at petrol garages. 
    That’s inflation for you
  • jose
    jose Posts: 1,812
    Very well done our three times elected Mayor Sir Sadiq Khan.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1l1r1zne1ro
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,694
    edited August 19
    jose said:
    Very well done our three times elected Mayor Sir Sadiq Khan.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1l1r1zne1ro
    My focus on this is from a public health and health economics as thats my professional area of interest. 

    For me this is huge. Beyond the obvious healthier children is a clear and obvious societal good. There are just so many benefits. 

    This is tens of thousands of GP appointments available for other needs with knock on effects on wait times and access to GP. Its thousands of referral and treatment slots in the NHS which are available for others and waiting lists for treatments reducing. 

    Its millions fewer sick days taken from school and work across their lifetime leading to a more productive and healthy workforce. 

    Its whole liferimes of NHS support avoided. 

    These sort of public health interventions really are huge wins for every part of society. 
  • WHAddick
    WHAddick Posts: 1,376
    I set up a TFL London Road User auto pay yesterday, payable by direct debit (for the Blackwall Tunnel).
    I think it said you get a monthly statement, is that correct, do you get a notification etc?
    Sorry to be lazy, but was trying to log in for nearly 24 hours and it was telling me my password was wrong (it wasn't).
    They do..they show you when you have been charged, then when they have taken the payment at the end of the month. Possibly on separate statements, depending on timing within the month.

    All very clear IMO.
  • kakaka
    kakaka Posts: 165
    I set up a TFL London Road User auto pay yesterday, payable by direct debit (for the Blackwall Tunnel).
    I think it said you get a monthly statement, is that correct, do you get a notification etc?
    Sorry to be lazy, but was trying to log in for nearly 24 hours and it was telling me my password was wrong (it wasn't).
    Your password was probably correct, but if you ise the app I doesn't work. I found this out when I tried to add my new car in the app. Eventually got through to someone on the phone who told me not to use the app but to log in on the website (which worked).

    Funny though how I can open the app and pay a fine without the need to log in...
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 29,470
    Good luck to the tube drivers, I don't really understand the ill feeling towards them
    Jealousy, mainly
    For me, personally, it's the strong Millwall link in their union leadership over the years. I just could never get past that.