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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

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  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,583
    Sword65pf said:
    Crispywood said:
    Probably the one positive being the most hated manager in the EFL, other clubs fanbsses would put pressure on the board to look elsewhere 
    To be honest the hate he gets from a certain section of our own fans is a bit much, witnessed 1st hand at spurs, fella behind me had some fucking disgusting things to say about him expecting me to agree, I didn’t, he then went on to say’ but if we keep doing well it’s fine. Fucking hypocrites.
    These people don’t understand football 
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 2,931
    J BLOCK said:
    Sword65pf said:
    Crispywood said:
    Probably the one positive being the most hated manager in the EFL, other clubs fanbsses would put pressure on the board to look elsewhere 
    To be honest the hate he gets from a certain section of our own fans is a bit much, witnessed 1st hand at spurs, fella behind me had some fucking disgusting things to say about him expecting me to agree, I didn’t, he then went on to say’ but if we keep doing well it’s fine. Fucking hypocrites.
    These people don’t understand football 
    Honestly it was beyond the misunderstanding of football, it was just on a human level the abuse was unacceptable.
  • Mametz
    Mametz Posts: 1,302
    It’s both instructive and entertaining to read the comments on this thread in the autumn of 2024.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 51,748
    edited August 30
    The Red Robin said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Two reasons I can see Jones staying at Charlton even if roles at "big" clubs become available.

    1. He's been biten twice at Soton and Stoke where he wasn't allowed the time to implement his regime. At Charlton, and Luton, he's built teams in his image gradually over seasons and has had success. The board here stuck with him when it was going badly and he now seems to have their trust and backing.  He may now realise the grass isn't always greener.

    2. "Big" clubs wanting instant results to turn things around will look at his failures at Stoke and Soton and feel that having flopped twice he's not for them.  He needs time to put his plans in place and few clubs are willing to give any manager that. 


    Hard to disagree with this but I have two caveats. I wonder how hard it would be for him if the Wales job came knocking ? Personally I don’t think the total control and daily hands on, Jones seems to need is suited to international management so that’s a good thing and secondly, if Cardiff eventually emerge from their ownership issues and start showing interest.
    I wonder if ourselves and Cardiff are in The Championship next season and their job comes up.
    Although I posted the above I don’t see him jumping ship for Cardiff any time soon because I think they are some years away from being a stable club. I suspect that when his time is up at Charlton and I also think that’s a long way off that Cardiff could be where he’ll eventually manage. I’m sure he’d like that. Doubt Tan and Jones would hit it off.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 51,748
    Just spent a few minutes on a Sheff Utd forum mainly to see if I could find comments about Bindon. (I couldn’t). What I did see was a thread about “Wilder out” which looked remarkably like this thread when Jones was coming in for a lot of criticism. Big split in thoughts on him and the main complaint seems to be turgid, defensive football. Sound familiar ? There’s also the defence that he’s got a poor hand to play and changing him now wouldn’t make any sense. No money to spend and reliant on frees and loans. Personally I think Wilder is a pragmatic manager and will know exactly what to do enough to keep SU out of real trouble. On the other hand I think they’ll be closer to the bottom than top. Definitely if that big points deduction is forthcoming.
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,507
    Chizz said:
    AberystwythAddick said:


    Probably bollocks but 
    Why would NJ swap Charlton for a team eighteen places lower in the table? 
    Yeah agree its not like NJ has a history of leaving clubs doingbweell for higher profile teams............ oh wait
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 24,507
    edited August 31
    Radostanradical said:
    Chizz said:
    AberystwythAddick said:


    Probably bollocks but 
    Why would NJ swap Charlton for a team eighteen places lower in the table? 
    Yeah agree its not like NJ has a history of leaving clubs doingbweell for higher profile teams............ oh wait

    Nathan was a lower league Footballer but as a coach and then a Manager he has always believed in his self and been ambitious. 

    As I'm sure you know Rado, NJ was sacked by Stoke and Southampton and the only club he seemed to leave on a couple of occasions when manager without being sacked was Luton ! 
    Now would you want to work in Luton 🤔

    I used to have some days off in the week to watch CAFC  U21's at Sparrows lane in the year NJ was the coach before his ambition took him off to Brighton. Jones played a hybrid 4-3-3 but the full backs did charge forward in Holmes-Dennis and Barnes.

    Can you imagine the dogs abuse Nathan would get at a club like West ham every time they don't win especially if they are a 2nd tier club.

    It would be great if Jones could stay to 2030 and the Charlton owners can help to establish Cafc as a progressive club on and off the field.

    We don't need to be Greg Rutherford; "A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step."

    At long last we are going forward, on and off the field.
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 2,098
    Radostanradical said:
    Chizz said:
    AberystwythAddick said:


    Probably bollocks but 
    Why would NJ swap Charlton for a team eighteen places lower in the table? 
    Yeah agree it’s not like NJ has a history of leaving clubs doingbweell for higher profile teams............ oh wait
    On both those occasions, he was moving to a higher league to be fair.

    No high profile club will touch Nathan Jones with a bargepole and it’s massively to our benefit. All other clubs fans hate him and wouldn’t let him anywhere near their club. 

    Which is great because what a bloody brilliant manager he is for Charlton.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 51,748
    I think that’s the key point isn’t it. We’re moving forward as a club both on and off the pitch. CAFC was hollowed out for years by a succession of let’s just say poor owners to the point that there was a very good chance that the club would get relegated into the fourth tier or worse. New ownership started the long haul of reversing those terrible years and the catalyst for our playing revival really began with Nathan Jones. Not even his fiercest critic and there are still some could put forward a case that the team is not now in a better position than when he took control. As Jones himself would say, this is a journey and it’s not complete yet. Despite our current lofty position I still think we’re now looking like a mid table Championship club. That’s yet again progress from last seasons relegation scrap. I’d suggest the next stage of our progress is maybe three or four years of consolidation and then if financially possible to kick on. The playoffs being extended to include eighth place is a godsend for a manager like Jones as he’ll no doubt see that as an opportunity to accelerate our progress more quickly. Jones isn’t perfect but at present he’s perfect for us. 
  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,353
    edited August 31
    Sword65pf said:
    Crispywood said:
    Probably the one positive being the most hated manager in the EFL, other clubs fanbsses would put pressure on the board to look elsewhere 
    To be honest the hate he gets from a certain section of our own fans is a bit much, witnessed 1st hand at spurs, fella behind me had some fucking disgusting things to say about him expecting me to agree, I didn’t, he then went on to say’ but if we keep doing well it’s fine. Fucking hypocrites.
    Remember at Millwall in January, the bloke next to me was giving Jones all types of verbals to the people around us. 

    I don’t get it, but each to their own. Was thinking that if you dislike Jones, I would love to hear the person opinion on Michael Appleton.

    I remember what it was like directly before Jones took over and so cannot criticise him whatsoever. Jones clearly knows what he’s doing, so just try and enjoy the journey. 



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  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 6,704
    Jones is an emotional chap which I love those dark days of Appleton speaking and obviously not giving a shit had me crying out for someone who cared it would be very wrong to moan now we have someone that does. Mind you if he was managing a competitor he would not be popular with me lol
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 28,864
    CAFCsayer said:
    I think if West Ham were to sack Nuno it'll either be for Parker or a big name
    Deluded or not, mates of mine want Eddie Howe.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 11,097
    The Red Robin said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    I think if West Ham were to sack Nuno it'll either be for Parker or a big name
    Deluded or not, mates of mine want Eddie Howe.
    Yeah I've seen Howes name mentioned a lot. Can't see it being realistic because I think he'll take time away from the game. 
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 6,704
    MarcusH26 said:
    The Red Robin said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    I think if West Ham were to sack Nuno it'll either be for Parker or a big name
    Deluded or not, mates of mine want Eddie Howe.
    Yeah I've seen Howes name mentioned a lot. Can't see it being realistic because I think he'll take time away from the game. 
    Football fans are a funny bunch lol

    Up Here people are saying Howe going to Wrexham !! Mind you also Rooney has been seen having a meeting with Hollywood apparently lol wtf will the media do if he goes there !!!!!! 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 51,748
    MarcusH26 said:
    The Red Robin said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    I think if West Ham were to sack Nuno it'll either be for Parker or a big name
    Deluded or not, mates of mine want Eddie Howe.
    Yeah I've seen Howes name mentioned a lot. Can't see it being realistic because I think he'll take time away from the game. 
    Jumping ship from Newcastle to West Ham would very much be a poor career move. Only a matter of time before he gets offers from Premiership teams.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,872
    SouthWest_Addicks said:
    Sword65pf said:
    Crispywood said:
    Probably the one positive being the most hated manager in the EFL, other clubs fanbsses would put pressure on the board to look elsewhere 
    To be honest the hate he gets from a certain section of our own fans is a bit much, witnessed 1st hand at spurs, fella behind me had some fucking disgusting things to say about him expecting me to agree, I didn’t, he then went on to say’ but if we keep doing well it’s fine. Fucking hypocrites.
    Remember at Millwall in January, the bloke next to me was giving Jones all types of verbals to the people around us. 

    I don’t get it, but each to their own. Was thinking that if you dislike Jones, I would love to hear the person opinion on Michael Appleton.

    I remember what it was like directly before Jones took over and so cannot criticise him whatsoever. Jones clearly knows what he’s doing, so just try and enjoy the journey. 


    I agree with your wider point but i'm not sure you can blame anyone for being absolutely fuming at getting thumped 4-0, a defeat which was at the time our 9th in 14 league games.

    He'd probably calmed down by the week after when we won at Leicester.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 20,079
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    The Red Robin said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    I think if West Ham were to sack Nuno it'll either be for Parker or a big name
    Deluded or not, mates of mine want Eddie Howe.
    Yeah I've seen Howes name mentioned a lot. Can't see it being realistic because I think he'll take time away from the game. 
    Jumping ship from Newcastle to West Ham would very much be a poor career move. Only a matter of time before he gets offers from Premiership teams.
    Reckon he'll get the Spurs job personally
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,507
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    The Red Robin said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    I think if West Ham were to sack Nuno it'll either be for Parker or a big name
    Deluded or not, mates of mine want Eddie Howe.
    Yeah I've seen Howes name mentioned a lot. Can't see it being realistic because I think he'll take time away from the game. 
    Jumping ship from Newcastle to West Ham would very much be a poor career move. Only a matter of time before he gets offers from Premiership teams.
    Personally wouldnt be suprised if he sits it out a couple seasons and gets it England job if/when Tuchel goes
  • gringo
    gringo Posts: 1,602
    Chizz said:
    AberystwythAddick said:


    Probably bollocks but 
    Why would NJ swap Charlton for a team eighteen places lower in the table? 
    ££££££££ and lots of it!
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,455
    I said at the end of last season that now the job of staying up is done, I hope we can evolve & become more attacking as I wouldn't want to watch another season of that.

    Full credit to Jones as early signs are that he has done exactly that.  

    Every time people doubt him, he proves them wrong.  Long may it continue

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  • AberystwythAddick
    AberystwythAddick Posts: 2,520
    One thing that’s started bothering more this season is that it seemingly cool to hate on Nathan jones if you support another team. Not just Stoke and Southampton fans, you’ve got fans from all clubs criticising him for showing the smallest bit of emotion. I noticed today that sky sports decided to use his name as click bait saying “Nathan Jones is fuming”. 

    It’s such an over the top constant barrage of abuse he gets from all opposition. It’s got to be tough to deal with, he’s a stronger man than most 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 23,022
    edited September 9
    Nothing against you or that post AA but my heart sinks whenever I see this thread resurrected 
  • AberystwythAddick
    AberystwythAddick Posts: 2,520
    fenaddick said:
    Nothing against you or that post AA but my heart sinks whenever I see this threat resurrected 
    I didn’t know which thread to put it in 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 101,617
    AberystwythAddick said:
    One thing that’s started bothering more this season is that it seemingly cool to hate on Nathan jones if you support another team. Not just Stoke and Southampton fans, you’ve got fans from all clubs criticising him for showing the smallest bit of emotion. I noticed today that sky sports decided to use his name as click bait saying “Nathan Jones is fuming”. 

    It’s such an over the top constant barrage of abuse he gets from all opposition. It’s got to be tough to deal with, he’s a stronger man than most 
    Oh yeah, he's absolutely hated by the majority of the fans at this level... You only need to go on the Championship reddit board to see that.
    Its one reason why I love him so much, he's such a pantomime villain, amongst a sea of boring / PR trained monkey's
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 16,380
    I mean Nathan Jones is the type of manager (a bit like Steve Evans) in that if he's managing another team you would hate him. He is very irritable I can imagine with his antics and random quotes taken out of context. 
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,239
    “Looking at me like I volleyed his cat” is my go to phrase for work now
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,872
    ForeverAddickted said:
    AberystwythAddick said:
    One thing that’s started bothering more this season is that it seemingly cool to hate on Nathan jones if you support another team. Not just Stoke and Southampton fans, you’ve got fans from all clubs criticising him for showing the smallest bit of emotion. I noticed today that sky sports decided to use his name as click bait saying “Nathan Jones is fuming”. 

    It’s such an over the top constant barrage of abuse he gets from all opposition. It’s got to be tough to deal with, he’s a stronger man than most 
    Oh yeah, he's absolutely hated by the majority of the fans at this level... You only need to go on the Championship reddit board to see that.
    Its one reason why I love him so much, he's such a pantomime villain, amongst a sea of boring / PR trained monkey's
    Not even just at this level, i think it's fans of most clubs. I've got Arsenal and Chelsea fans at my work who both think he's a bellend. 

    He got a ton of stick for 'playing up to the cameras' in those last few seconds of the play off win v Wycombe.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,973
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    AberystwythAddick said:
    One thing that’s started bothering more this season is that it seemingly cool to hate on Nathan jones if you support another team. Not just Stoke and Southampton fans, you’ve got fans from all clubs criticising him for showing the smallest bit of emotion. I noticed today that sky sports decided to use his name as click bait saying “Nathan Jones is fuming”. 

    It’s such an over the top constant barrage of abuse he gets from all opposition. It’s got to be tough to deal with, he’s a stronger man than most 
    Oh yeah, he's absolutely hated by the majority of the fans at this level... You only need to go on the Championship reddit board to see that.
    Its one reason why I love him so much, he's such a pantomime villain, amongst a sea of boring / PR trained monkey's
    Not even just at this level, i think it's fans of most clubs. I've got Arsenal and Chelsea fans at my work who both think he's a bellend. 

    He got a ton of stick for 'playing up to the cameras' in those last few seconds of the play off win v Wycombe.
    I mean, objectively he IS a bit of a bellend. He's got what is charitably huge self confidence, less charitably a massive ego. He's very emotive which comes across as highly performative.  He has a habit for speaking without much filter/thinking and comes out with comments in the heat of the moment that can be quite ridiculous.

    BUT he is our bellend, and all those things are part of what make him successful.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 35,085
    He’s with us and I’m very happy with that … and other fans hating him, who bloody cares, their loss 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 15,231
    ForeverAddickted said:
    AberystwythAddick said:
    One thing that’s started bothering more this season is that it seemingly cool to hate on Nathan jones if you support another team. Not just Stoke and Southampton fans, you’ve got fans from all clubs criticising him for showing the smallest bit of emotion. I noticed today that sky sports decided to use his name as click bait saying “Nathan Jones is fuming”. 

    It’s such an over the top constant barrage of abuse he gets from all opposition. It’s got to be tough to deal with, he’s a stronger man than most 
    Oh yeah, he's absolutely hated by the majority of the fans at this level... You only need to go on the Championship reddit board to see that.
    Its one reason why I love him so much, he's such a pantomime villain, amongst a sea of boring / PR trained monkey's
    I would generally agree but I do feel like I sensed a bit of a shift on the Reddit opinions of him with the most recent video posted. Usually it's wall to wall insults but I think now that he's stuck around for a bit some fans are starting to see the value in having an actual character in the league rather than the same old grey faces saying the same old stuff. He's a bit more measured than he used to be and I think every fan can relate to their manager being annoyed about a potentially dodgy offside flag, having someone rant about it in an entertaining way is better than what we usually get from managers. It's when he does the stuff that's very specific to him, like talking about Stoke and Saints fans targeting him, that he tends to get full on abuse back.

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