Greg Docherty (Leaves by mutual consent, pg 33)

Crispywood said:

Radostanradical said:

paulsturgess said:

Docherty wasn’t good enough. Great bloke but that’s the long and short of it. 

Well he is better than Ouma, playdd more than JRC last season so clearly NJ thought he was better and has more experience that Mwamba ?

Completely disregarding the fact Jones said he wanted to play more expansive football which JRC is obviously better at than Doc. Ouma has played one game albeit he was awful but it’s not like doc never dropped a horror performance and are you going to seriously complain about a young talented academy player having a pathway to the first team? 

Keeping Doc would have been completely sentimental, we would have done no better having him in the squad from the opening 6 games than without him. 

We play Doc we dint lose 4-0 to stoke, agree I may have egg on my face about Ouma come end of the season but I doubt it. Can ypu point out the expansive football JRC has been playing ? Ibcertainly havent seen it. Read my previous post I literally said I dont have a problem with him bringing Mwamba through at expense of Doc

Radostanradical said:

Crispywood said:

Radostanradical said:

paulsturgess said:

Docherty wasn’t good enough. Great bloke but that’s the long and short of it. 

Well he is better than Ouma, playdd more than JRC last season so clearly NJ thought he was better and has more experience that Mwamba ?

Completely disregarding the fact Jones said he wanted to play more expansive football which JRC is obviously better at than Doc. Ouma has played one game albeit he was awful but it’s not like doc never dropped a horror performance and are you going to seriously complain about a young talented academy player having a pathway to the first team? 

Keeping Doc would have been completely sentimental, we would have done no better having him in the squad from the opening 6 games than without him. 

We play Doc we dint lose 4-0 to stoke, agree I may have egg on my face about Ouma come end of the season but I doubt it. Can ypu point out the expansive football JRC has been playing ? Ibcertainly havent seen it. Read my previous post I literally said I dont have a problem with him bringing Mwamba through at expense of Doc

I'd probably point to JRC's brilliant pass to set up the winner against Derby and his run and pass ahead of TC's equaliser against West Brom. He's been heavily involved in a third of the goals we've scored this season. Last season we lost 5-1 with Doc in the team against Southampton, 5-0 down after 43 minutes and went 3-0 down away at Stoke within 34 minutes the next game. Let's not pretend Doc was some magical shield against the team having collapses, we've always got one in us.

Radostanradical said:

thenewbie said:

Radostanradical said:

FirenzeAddick said:

If they are family then sadly it just reflects poorly on Doc. NJ and everyone at the club have been hugely complementary about him as a footballer and as a person in all of the club statements and press.

If there has been a falling out then Jones has not let it affect the tone of the farewell messages, and offering best wishes to a good pro.

Sure it might hurt to be told you aren't at the level, or able to be a fixture in this side going forward... but that's football. Own it and go and prove him wrong elsewhere.

If someone treated a loved one of yours like trash behind the scenes and then was nice about them publicly, ypu would just be happy to swallow false platitudes?

It depends what actually happened and why they fell out. Jones is a bit of an oddball but it seems very unlikely that he just one day woke up and decided to pick a fight with Docherty out of nowhere.
Maybe Greg was actually treated a bit harsher than was fair but there's definitely more to it than NJ randomly antagonising his own captain on a whim.

NJ is a my way or the highway person, some would say thats decisiveness others insecurity, we were going through a bad patch when doc was dropped. If others have tried suggesting trying a different style of playing and Jones reacted negatively "it wouldnt suprise me"

It’s funny, NJ is by far our most successful manager for years. He’s a long way from perfect but I get the impression a certain small minority of fans can’t bring themselves to like him, even if he won the PL for Charlton it wouldn’t be enough. I’m sure Appleton is lovely bloke who’s extremely fair to everyone but where did that get us.

SouthLincsAddick said:

Radostanradical said:

thenewbie said:

Radostanradical said:

FirenzeAddick said:

If they are family then sadly it just reflects poorly on Doc. NJ and everyone at the club have been hugely complementary about him as a footballer and as a person in all of the club statements and press.

If there has been a falling out then Jones has not let it affect the tone of the farewell messages, and offering best wishes to a good pro.

Sure it might hurt to be told you aren't at the level, or able to be a fixture in this side going forward... but that's football. Own it and go and prove him wrong elsewhere.

If someone treated a loved one of yours like trash behind the scenes and then was nice about them publicly, ypu would just be happy to swallow false platitudes?

It depends what actually happened and why they fell out. Jones is a bit of an oddball but it seems very unlikely that he just one day woke up and decided to pick a fight with Docherty out of nowhere.
Maybe Greg was actually treated a bit harsher than was fair but there's definitely more to it than NJ randomly antagonising his own captain on a whim.

NJ is a my way or the highway person, some would say thats decisiveness others insecurity, we were going through a bad patch when doc was dropped. If others have tried suggesting trying a different style of playing and Jones reacted negatively "it wouldnt suprise me"

It’s funny, NJ is by far our most successful manager for years. He’s a long way from perfect but I get the impression a certain small minority of fans can’t bring themselves to like him, even if he won the PL for Charlton it wouldn’t be enough. I’m sure Appleton is lovely bloke who’s extremely fair to everyone but where did that get us.

First and foremost I care about the club, as said being ruthless can be a good trait but when its purely for ego as I suspect in Doc decision, I am sorry but I cant back it. Perhaps I will be proven wrong i just suspect as usual I am right.

SouthLincsAddick said:

Radostanradical said:

thenewbie said:

Radostanradical said:

FirenzeAddick said:

If they are family then sadly it just reflects poorly on Doc. NJ and everyone at the club have been hugely complementary about him as a footballer and as a person in all of the club statements and press.

If there has been a falling out then Jones has not let it affect the tone of the farewell messages, and offering best wishes to a good pro.

Sure it might hurt to be told you aren't at the level, or able to be a fixture in this side going forward... but that's football. Own it and go and prove him wrong elsewhere.

If someone treated a loved one of yours like trash behind the scenes and then was nice about them publicly, ypu would just be happy to swallow false platitudes?

It depends what actually happened and why they fell out. Jones is a bit of an oddball but it seems very unlikely that he just one day woke up and decided to pick a fight with Docherty out of nowhere.
Maybe Greg was actually treated a bit harsher than was fair but there's definitely more to it than NJ randomly antagonising his own captain on a whim.

NJ is a my way or the highway person, some would say thats decisiveness others insecurity, we were going through a bad patch when doc was dropped. If others have tried suggesting trying a different style of playing and Jones reacted negatively "it wouldnt suprise me"

It’s funny, NJ is by far our most successful manager for years. He’s a long way from perfect but I get the impression a certain small minority of fans can’t bring themselves to like him, even if he won the PL for Charlton it wouldn’t be enough. I’m sure Appleton is lovely bloke who’s extremely fair to everyone but where did that get us.

To be fair, Jones is not a very likeable person, so understand why he rubs some fans up the wrong way. I don’t think it’s necessary to appreciate what he has done of the club and also not like some of his traits as a human.  

Radostanradical said:

SouthLincsAddick said:

Radostanradical said:

thenewbie said:

Radostanradical said:

FirenzeAddick said:

If they are family then sadly it just reflects poorly on Doc. NJ and everyone at the club have been hugely complementary about him as a footballer and as a person in all of the club statements and press.

If there has been a falling out then Jones has not let it affect the tone of the farewell messages, and offering best wishes to a good pro.

Sure it might hurt to be told you aren't at the level, or able to be a fixture in this side going forward... but that's football. Own it and go and prove him wrong elsewhere.

If someone treated a loved one of yours like trash behind the scenes and then was nice about them publicly, ypu would just be happy to swallow false platitudes?

It depends what actually happened and why they fell out. Jones is a bit of an oddball but it seems very unlikely that he just one day woke up and decided to pick a fight with Docherty out of nowhere.
Maybe Greg was actually treated a bit harsher than was fair but there's definitely more to it than NJ randomly antagonising his own captain on a whim.

NJ is a my way or the highway person, some would say thats decisiveness others insecurity, we were going through a bad patch when doc was dropped. If others have tried suggesting trying a different style of playing and Jones reacted negatively "it wouldnt suprise me"

It’s funny, NJ is by far our most successful manager for years. He’s a long way from perfect but I get the impression a certain small minority of fans can’t bring themselves to like him, even if he won the PL for Charlton it wouldn’t be enough. I’m sure Appleton is lovely bloke who’s extremely fair to everyone but where did that get us.

First and foremost I care about the club, as said being ruthless can be a good trait but when its purely for ego as I suspect in Doc decision, I am sorry but I cant back it. Perhaps I will be proven wrong i just suspect as usual I am right.

Rado, this is a very dangerous thing to say on a Football forum as we have folk on CL who will monitor every word you input. 

You seem to want to portray yourself as a guy ITK. No harm done but just expect opprobrium when you get things wrong which will happen if it hasn't already 🤔

I'm sure one day I will get something wrong as I have only been on Charlton Life for 12 years 😀

If you are ITK with how pro football operates you must understand footballers being happy is a ephemeral experience unless they are the lucky few free from injury or being discarded and on mega Premier wages where their children won't even need to work !
 
Greg Docherty had a fine two years at CAFC and despite any shortcomings he was as fit as a fiddle and I genuinely think it was time to move on unless he was prepared just to be a squad player; it doesn't matter what I or you believe, Nathan Jones is the manager and it was his call.

Football is a ruthless business and seeing young guys released from clubs in their teens after sometimes being coached at a club from the very young age of 6 is more heart breaking than an experienced 30 year old like Docherty who really should find a club with his fitness and CV either in Scotland or League 1 level.

He will have to be realistic about wages.

AberystwythAddick said:

Radostanradical said:

paulsturgess said:

Docherty wasn’t good enough. Great bloke but that’s the long and short of it. 

Well he is better than Ouma, playdd more than JRC last season so clearly NJ thought he was better and has more experience that Mwamba ?

You’ve seen Ouma play less than a game. You don’t know that 

SELR_addicks said:

AberystwythAddick said:

Radostanradical said:

paulsturgess said:

Docherty wasn’t good enough. Great bloke but that’s the long and short of it. 

Well he is better than Ouma, playdd more than JRC last season so clearly NJ thought he was better and has more experience that Mwamba ?

You’ve seen Ouma play less than a game. You don’t know that 

If you watched me play for 30 minutes you'd be able to tell Docherty is better than me. 

Yes Ouma can improve but right now he's not an improvement on what we had. 

To quote Bob Dylan - "You dont need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows"

Pretty strange he's still without a club? Has been nineteen days. 

SELR_addicks said:

AberystwythAddick said:

Radostanradical said:

paulsturgess said:

Docherty wasn’t good enough. Great bloke but that’s the long and short of it. 

Well he is better than Ouma, playdd more than JRC last season so clearly NJ thought he was better and has more experience that Mwamba ?

You’ve seen Ouma play less than a game. You don’t know that 

If you watched me play for 30 minutes you'd be able to tell Docherty is better than me. 

Yes Ouma can improve but right now he's not an improvement on what we had. 

This doesn’t work at all 

Scoham said:

Radostanradical said:

DoNT wORry OuMa wilL coMe GoOd

I wAs FiRsT tO WRiTe ofF OUr nEw sIgNiNGs

Unoriginal.

I am very surprised he hasn't landed anywhere yet as a free agent? Decent and experienced L1 player. Good solid player and a good example to youngsters. Must be some clubs out there who can afford his wages....maybe Peterborough who are struggling again?

Radostanradical said:

Radostanradical said:

DoNT wORry OuMa wilL coMe GoOd

Scoham said:

Radostanradical said:

DoNT wORry OuMa wilL coMe GoOd

I wAs FiRsT tO WRiTe ofF OUr nEw sIgNiNGs

Needless to say, I have had the last laugh.

At least someone in our fanbase can enjoy signings not working out.

Six weeks later and still without a club. 

It's crazy how centre midfield wasn't the first thing prioirtised this season. We brought in Chalobah who will rarely play, Skipp as a late replacement once Chalobah inevitably got injured and Ouma who has previous for going awol.