I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

I trust him to take us forward. You have to have trust with a manager like Jones as he is a bit unconventional. He has three weeks to solve some problems and I suspect he will.

MillwallFan said:

oohaahmortimer said:

And we probably were last year, unfortunately the season doesn’t end after 8 games and we all know that come the final game we won’t be above them 

I always say it, start to judge a team after 10 or so games, not the first 3 or 4. 

I judged Millwall before a ball was kicked. Still, you won't care 😉.

AberystwythAddick said:

The five without a win is obviously not great. It’s compounded by our October fixtures (below). Now knowing us we will get a result in one or two of these games, but on the face of it, it could be a fairly sparse month. 

If we say pick up 4 points from the available 15 in October, how would people be feeling.

I hope we get something from the first three games as the last two I think will be fruitless.

lordromford said:

AberystwythAddick said:

The five without a win is obviously not great. It’s compounded by our October fixtures (below). Now knowing us we will get a result in one or two of these games, but on the face of it, it could be a fairly sparse month. 

If we say pick up 4 points from the available 15 in October, how would people be feeling.

So in September and October, we have/had 10 games but only 2 Saturday 3pm kickoffs?
Seems a bit off. 

It'll almost certainly be the same for everybody else.

Croydon said:

What Jones gives us is players that are willing to run through walls for him, and that helps make up for our lack of quality compared to others in the division.

Worryingly, we have had back to back away performances where effort and desire can be called into question. 

He needs to make sure we get back to what Jones sides are known for, or we will be bang on trouble by Christmas.

That's my concern. They gave up yesterday 3-1 down deffo.

Braziliance said:

Croydon said:

What Jones gives us is players that are willing to run through walls for him, and that helps make up for our lack of quality compared to others in the division.

Worryingly, we have had back to back away performances where effort and desire can be called into question. 

He needs to make sure we get back to what Jones sides are known for, or we will be bang on trouble by Christmas.

That's my concern. They gave up yesterday 3-1 down deffo.

Alii just walked away leaving a player unmarked near the post.

Ouma also looked less than committed, as did Grant.

We need all 11 to be at it to compete and we only had 8.

MarcusH26 said:

AberystwythAddick said:

The five without a win is obviously not great. It’s compounded by our October fixtures (below). Now knowing us we will get a result in one or two of these games, but on the face of it, it could be a fairly sparse month. 

If we say pick up 4 points from the available 15 in October, how would people be feeling.

4 from 15 from those fixtures would worry me. Need to take at least 6 from the first 3 because I can't see us getting anything from Norwich or Boro 

Norwich aren’t pulling up any trees, no reason why we can’t beat them.

Really hope Jones now see's we need creativity as well as being sound in defense - we can be good all we want at defending but it's unrealistic to expect them to defend for their lives continously without any outlet. 

I hope he fights to sign 2/3 in Jan but as always with Charlton that makes to much sense and we will probably sign 3 more CDMs.

WillmoreTheRed said:

Really hope Jones now see's we need creativity as well as being sound in defense - we can be good all we want at defending but it's unrealistic to expect them to defend for their lives continously without any outlet. 

I hope he fights to sign 2/3 in Jan but as always with Charlton that makes to much sense and we will probably sign 3 more CDMs.

Almost seems ridiculous to suggest we need to sign more players already, but it really doesn’t appear that we signed the type of players we most needed, the majority of our latest window are a mixture of cheaper options and panic buys/ loans. 

AberystwythAddick said:

WillmoreTheRed said:

Really hope Jones now see's we need creativity as well as being sound in defense - we can be good all we want at defending but it's unrealistic to expect them to defend for their lives continously without any outlet. 

I hope he fights to sign 2/3 in Jan but as always with Charlton that makes to much sense and we will probably sign 3 more CDMs.

We won’t be signing anyone until we can offload players. 

You’d probably be looking at Knibbs, Apter and maybe Carey? 

Might as well shift Knibbs and Apter as he has seemingly made his mind up on them, not sure about Carey he hasn't quite faced the full Jones shut out yet.

Sword65pf said:

Leuth said:

The three true manager outcomes:

1. Leave, for family/health/retirement reasons. Usually the most glorious outcome
2. Snapped up by a club with more ambitions/money etc 
3. Sacked

The arc of Jones at Charlton is long, but I know which one of these I predict. Obviously he'll fight it like hell, but the sad truth is that footballers are never quite what he wants. They're fallible, they make mistakes, they can't keep going forever. And for Jones, this is a problem, because his methods do not allow for this. He is the Captain Ahab of the EFL

I’m still not for getting rid of NJ, but if it were to happen, could another manager get anymore out of our current group of players, with the clear gaps we have in the squad?

The only thing another manager could do with this squad is make it even more turgid and defensive to grind out results. 

Chunes said:

Sword65pf said:

Leuth said:

The three true manager outcomes:

1. Leave, for family/health/retirement reasons. Usually the most glorious outcome
2. Snapped up by a club with more ambitions/money etc 
3. Sacked

The arc of Jones at Charlton is long, but I know which one of these I predict. Obviously he'll fight it like hell, but the sad truth is that footballers are never quite what he wants. They're fallible, they make mistakes, they can't keep going forever. And for Jones, this is a problem, because his methods do not allow for this. He is the Captain Ahab of the EFL

I’m still not for getting rid of NJ, but if it were to happen, could another manager get anymore out of our current group of players, with the clear gaps we have in the squad?

The only thing another manager could do with this squad is make it even more turgid and defensive to grind out results. 

I agree, they couldn’t make us anymore dynamic, it’s mad to say a lot of us would put Cardiff up as a side we might aspire to be in respect to playing style, we are so far off it.

It really makes no sense talking about new players unless it's with a new manager who has some positive play about him . Jones and Fleming were defenders and boy does it show.
Anyone with any attacking ability soon has all their confidence sucked out of them because they are either played out of position or more likely are benched . I'm convinced someone else could get Knibbs , Carey and Apter to do what they were brought in for but Jones has given up on them , especially Knibbs and Apter.  
As i said before . If he was given a war chest for players he'd just sign defenders or defensive midfielders.

fenaddick said:

I do think it would be an effective use of funds to hire a coach who is good at coaching attacking patterns of play. We have quite a small coaching staff really and it shows

I said this in the summer. I’m assuming Hylton is responsible for this along with set pieces. Jones strikes me as someone who will only bring in someone he knows and trusts

I also doubt we focused much on it over the summer. Changing from 3-5-2 to 4-2-3-1 was a big risk and I’m pretty certain we would have spent most of the time drilling the defensive side of it because that is always going to be more important for us in the championship on our budget. Hopefully now we can put some more work into in possession over the break and the rest of the season 

AberystwythAddick said:

NabySarr said:

fenaddick said:

I do think it would be an effective use of funds to hire a coach who is good at coaching attacking patterns of play. We have quite a small coaching staff really and it shows

I said this in the summer. I’m assuming Hylton is responsible for this along with set pieces. Jones strikes me as someone who will only bring in someone he knows and trusts

I also doubt we focused much on it over the summer. Changing from 3-5-2 to 4-2-3-1 was a big risk and I’m pretty certain we would have spent most of the time drilling the defensive side of it because that is always going to be more important for us in the championship on our budget. Hopefully now we can put some more work into in possession over the break and the rest of the season 

I know it’s been a while now but he has none of his coaching team with him. Hart obviously retired and Cohen (now Lincoln co boss) was an assistant elsewhere. 

Obviously you see it a lot with coaches where they are found out a bit when they don’t have their old staff (take gerrard with Mick Beale).

I wonder how much influence coaches like Hart, Cohen and Hartford had on attacking styles of play? 

He also had Sheehan with him at Luton for a bit (who is currently unemployed I think).