The Owners
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Unfortunately in football these days “being a boring mid table Championship club” is not a motivating proposition for owners who essentially have to gamble to get to the PL to have any chance of a return. I doubt our investment prospectus is asking people to put in several million a year for many years to come without promising the opportunity to recoup. Hedge fund investors and their like speculate to accumulate and are quick to cut their losses if the accumulation odds lengthen. Football finances are well and truly broken.MarcusH26 said:
Absolutely agree it just seems to be this never ending cycle. I just want to be a boring midtable Championship club for a few years that doesn't bounce between the middle of League 1 stumbling upon a manager that gets us promoted and then not sticking the landing on being able to stay in the Championship for 3-4 seasons and build something.bobmunro said:MarcusH26 said:
Think this is my biggest fear , disinterested ownership that don't want to invest but can't sell the club for what they want for it and another carousel of journeyman managers that we're just another job for.FishCostaFortune said:
This is my big worry as well. If they couldn't be bothered to invest in the squad, they are not going to invest in a 'decent' manager.lolwray said:Tbh I haven't been impressed with Jim,Charlie,Gavin and/or Ben...I'd be more impressed if the major shareholder sat next to them and spoke about a "5 year plan"..the latter is definitely screwed.
We are back to being an upper mid league team with seemingly little direction and little ambition. When Jones goes ( Probably after the Sheffield United game) I expect we will be lumbered with another journeyman manager who is just killing time.
It's all a great shame 🫠 😕
Feels very much like we are slipping back into the dark league one days again.
I don't want another 3-5 years in League 1.....They either invest (relatively heavily) in the squad in January, stay up, and hope new found stability attracts a buyer where they get some/most of their money back - or we go down and they end up having to sell the club for £1 to stop their losses getting ever larger.Seems to be our modus operandi - rinse and repeat.4 -
I don't think it is.Siv_in_Shenzhen said:
Is that right?ct_addick said:Gavin Carter was ChicagoAddick on here ? If so was posting for years0 -
Croydon said:
Hopefully Jones calls out eveyrone if he feels a push coming. No holds barredfenaddick said:Think NJ's comments in the Cawley article just posted show that he was expecting/hoping for more money to be available in the summerAbsolutely, he has done a very good job considering the financial limitations but his time looks to be coming to an end.Whatever can be said about Jones, he has passion and cares and so it would be very interesting if he let loose.10 -
Highly likely any compensation for contract termination will be linked to an NDA.Croydon said:
Hopefully Jones calls out eveyrone if he feels a push coming. No holds barredfenaddick said:Think NJ's comments in the Cawley article just posted show that he was expecting/hoping for more money to be available in the summer7 -
CafcWest said:
Highly likely any compensation for contract termination will be linked to an NDA.Croydon said:
Hopefully Jones calls out eveyrone if he feels a push coming. No holds barredfenaddick said:Think NJ's comments in the Cawley article just posted show that he was expecting/hoping for more money to be available in the summer
With very few exceptions (Curbs with West Ham springs to mind) it is pretty much inevitable that any termination will be accompanied with a Settlement Agreement containing a non-disparagement clause. There is also usually an agreed public statement from both parties.1 -
Yeah meant more for the next week or so while he is still in a job. If he was promised more budget, people using agents as excuses etc, now is the time to say0
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As much as we can’t demand any investor throw money at it on the basis of our emotional bond with the club, I question the competency and rationale behind how they have approached the summer window.Are they being told by Carter/Rodwell that we think we can still deliver on progressing the journey by signing the likes of Alli etc, or have they simply come to an arbitrary number in terms of what they want to put in, and said make do.I know dick all about running a business and spending investor money, but my thinking would be that if it’s the latter, as the management team responsible for running the club, surely Rodwell/Carter and whoever else would highlight the impact this could have?
I suspect it’s a bit of both, and perhaps our senior management haven’t had the nerve to push back, led the investors to believe they can make do, and here we are, in a mess3 -
Yes our transfer dealings in the summer weren't great, but if we had spent our money better last summer, we'd be in a way better position, and the owners can't be blamed for that.
None of the players we've signed for fees since promotion have been successes really, of the type that other clubs would want to sign for more money than we paid. Kelman, Kaminski, Knibbs, Tanto, Apter, JRC then Sichenje in January. Indeed I'm sure we'd lose money on all of them
Alli this summer is another £1.5m which seems to have been wasted. Ouma is another bizarre one.
I'd suggest that, on the pitch, the failings lie more with NJ, Rodwell and Chapple than Carter or the owners.5 -
Guilty as charged, feel free to ask any questions about the 5 year plan (formerly known as 8-8-8).The Red Robin said:
It’s not true. Carter is actually New York Addick.newyorkaddick said:
That definitely isn't true!ct_addick said:Gavin Carter was ChicagoAddick on here ? If so was posting for years15 -
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Which will probably be similar to what you came out with last nightbobmunro said:CafcWest said:
Highly likely any compensation for contract termination will be linked to an NDA.Croydon said:
Hopefully Jones calls out eveyrone if he feels a push coming. No holds barredfenaddick said:Think NJ's comments in the Cawley article just posted show that he was expecting/hoping for more money to be available in the summer
With very few exceptions (Curbs with West Ham springs to mind) it is pretty much inevitable that any termination will be accompanied with a Settlement Agreement containing a non-disparagement clause. There is also usually an agreed public statement from both parties.
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I think, as a matter of urgency, we need to know where this administration is with the investment it has been desperately seeking? As widely publicised back in August and also a couple of months before that.6
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carly burn said:I think, as a matter of urgency, we need to know where this administration is with the investment it has been desperately seeking? As widely publicised back in August and also a couple of months before that.
You'll only get a pack of lies.
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8-8-8 is so last season, this season it’s 9-9-9.newyorkaddick said:
Guilty as charged, feel free to ask any questions about the 5 year plan (formerly known as 8-8-8).The Red Robin said:
It’s not true. Carter is actually New York Addick.newyorkaddick said:
That definitely isn't true!ct_addick said:Gavin Carter was ChicagoAddick on here ? If so was posting for years10 -
Looking at that woefull turnout lastnight surely the board must be concerned there was literally no more that 7,500 in the ground for a championship game8
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Utter wankshafts.0 -
But our ticket prices are data driven…🙁panther10 said:Looking at that woefull turnout lastnight surely the board must be concerned there was literally no more that 7,500 in the ground for a championship game2 -
If my memory serves me correctly, it was only one poster that suggested that, other posters then kind of took that as being gospel.CafcSteve said:Lots of people said on here that Jones stormed out of a meeting over budgets in The Summer.
Sounding like it could have been accurate.
It has never been substantiated……..as far as I know.🤔0 -
Think January will give us a good indication of where exactly these owners heads are at. They tried to do things in a sensible smart way this summer and it didn’t pay off they have an opportunity to rectify in the winter it’s clear what we need and who needs to go so it’s up to them to back Jones or a new manager5
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Problem is the Jan window is a nightmare to navigate - and you so often see clubs who have money to spend but struggle to actually spend it.
In short - it may not be that easy. It certainly would have been easier this summer.5 -
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Just not convinced they've got the wherewithal to realise how much they will probably need to shell out in a January window where top quality players either aren't for sale at all or cost a massive premium.
3 at least bonafide starters are going to cost a very pretty penny and won't be available on the cheap or loans.1 -
We also need to shift players first otherwise we’re going to have a five a side team of unregistered players2
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January is never about signing players long term, that’s never a good idea. We just need them to put the money in that brings in some solid championship players on loan, or buying unwanted players from better championship teams4
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Not a chance in hell are we going to get what we need in January, the best we can hope for are loans and everyone is going to know we are desperate, this lot aren’t throwing desperate money at it. Don’t know if they thought they were being clever but they have fucked us over in a big way and it’s going to cost them, we are dropping down without a fight. Quite gutting really.Crispywood said:Think January will give us a good indication of where exactly these owners heads are at. They tried to do things in a sensible smart way this summer and it didn’t pay off they have an opportunity to rectify in the winter it’s clear what we need and who needs to go so it’s up to them to back Jones or a new manager4 -
Our bloated squad is a massive problem. We might have break clauses on loans like Ouma, but similarly Lincoln might be able to send Tanto back.fenaddick said:We also need to shift players first otherwise we’re going to have a five a side team of unregistered players
And as to why we didn't sign key players in the summer, I wonder if NJ's style of football is part of the issue. Great if you're a defender, but if I was a classy midfielder with other options, would I want to join such a direct side?2 -
Grant on between 25k to 28k at CAFCNabySarr said:
Grant may have been on 26-30k a week at West Brom because he signed for them for big money when they were in the premier league. But there is absolutely no chance he is earning that now. Probably 12-15k a week if I had to guessRonnieMoore said:
May be a low budget compared toCafcSteve said:Think it’s important to remember that they basically gave us the lowest budget in the league.
Get why some of the new players are being criticised but do we really think that some of them would have been signed if the owners backed Jones more?
Lots of people on here thought that it was a really good transfer window but some of us were always sceptical that we hadn’t addressed the issues from last season enough.
We’re going to struggle to play decent football when we’ve spent much less than our opponents.
Think that it’s going to come down to whether we can grind out wins at home.
most in this league but still a large amount for us and for a normal team coming up .. going to take 3/4 years at this level before we can start buying players for 8 mill plus or pay 35k plus a week but instead of trying to find the negative why not look at the positives.. we offered a deal worth 5/6 mill for a player and have a player on appox 26 to 30k a week ( that come from a WBA coach) … small steps as we get told one thing these don’t want to do is the out the club back into the mess that they took over ..9 -
Just finished watching the fall and rise of Coventry.
Even when things were improving ,one Journo said for all that you don’t feel like a proper club if you don’t own your own ground. Coventry got lucky when Doug King came aboard and I don’t begrudge them their good fortune….I suppose.
Let’s hope that someone one day will see the massive potential in us.2 -
Is that still the number to call if you face an emergency?guinnessaddick said:
... this season it’s 9-9-9.newyorkaddick said:
Guilty as charged, feel free to ask any questions about the 5 year plan (formerly known as 8-8-8).The Red Robin said:
It’s not true. Carter is actually New York Addick.newyorkaddick said:
That definitely isn't true!ct_addick said:Gavin Carter was ChicagoAddick on here ? If so was posting for years0 -
Managers know that soon they will be applying for another job and it's not going to help their cause if they leave the previous job lashing out at owners, however justified.bobmunro said:CafcWest said:
Highly likely any compensation for contract termination will be linked to an NDA.Croydon said:
Hopefully Jones calls out eveyrone if he feels a push coming. No holds barredfenaddick said:Think NJ's comments in the Cawley article just posted show that he was expecting/hoping for more money to be available in the summer
With very few exceptions (Curbs with West Ham springs to mind) it is pretty much inevitable that any termination will be accompanied with a Settlement Agreement containing a non-disparagement clause. There is also usually an agreed public statement from both parties.1 -
Apologies if I have missed something but has Ouma returned from his extended international break yet? I do hope not.killerandflash said:
Our bloated squad is a massive problem. We might have break clauses on loans like Ouma, but similarly Lincoln might be able to send Tanto back.fenaddick said:We also need to shift players first otherwise we’re going to have a five a side team of unregistered players
And as to why we didn't sign key players in the summer, I wonder if NJ's style of football is part of the issue. Great if you're a defender, but if I was a classy midfielder with other options, would I want to join such a direct side?0
