Had to laugh at the guy being interviewed outside The Beeb..."We are TV license payers and have the right to protest"...taking one look at that rent a mob you can bet your bottom dollar that 90% of them have never had a TV license in their short little lives.......and most likely never will!
[cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]Had to laugh at the guy being interviewed outside The Beeb..."We are TV license payers and have the right to protest"...taking one look at that rent a mob you can bet your bottom dollar that 90% of them have never had a TV license in their short little lives.......and most likely never will!
And im a tv licence payer too so i have the right to see him make a tit of himself on tv.
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]The Sun and the Mirror were twitter through it, and Griffin got ruined by all accounts
The nation will no doubt be waiting with baited breath to get the insightful thoughts and well rounded opinion of Kelly , 23, Romford tommorrow as she stands there with her baps out. ;-)
[cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]Had to laugh at the guy being interviewed outside The Beeb..."We are TV license payers and have the right to protest"...taking one look at that rent a mob you can bet your bottom dollar that 90% of them have never had a TV license in their short little lives.......and most likely never will!
And im a tv licence payer too so i have the right to see him make a tit of himself on tv.
That's a totally different argument Rodney....and yes you do.
I just wonder if the leader of the SWP wanted to go on question time whether some of you guys kicking up a stink here would be complaining...In case you didn't know Stalin and his merry band killed millions more innocents than the Nazis in the last war, yet seem to have got away with it simply because we wern't actually fighting them but quite rightly fighting The Nazis.
Mind you, had Winston got his way we'd have got together with the rest of Europe and The Yanks and kicked their sorry commie arses all the way back to Moscow!
[cite]Posted By: Miserableold-ish git[/cite]Apparently he "was misquoted" about everything, butstilldidn't answer any questions or say say anything............
Getting off subject SoundAs.........Stalin wasn't a commie or Socialist,unfortunatly we'll never have True Socialism..........
But I can dream..........
[cite]Posted By: Miserableold-ish git[/cite]Getting off subject SoundAs.........Stalin wasn't acommieorSocialist,unfortunatly we'll never have True Socalicism..........
But Ican[/i]
Is that right...well you could have fooled me P.........Mmmmm maybe Crazy Adolf wasn't a true Nazi?
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]From David Wooding on Twitter
Nick Griffin says Churchill was Islamophobic.
Wouldn't doubt it for one moment...he was an old devil of course...but if ever the saying "Cometh the hour cometh the man"..... then it surely was appropriate in the case of dear old Winston.
In terms of the audience, even if it was representative of the UK as a whole, maybe only one or two people (presuming the audience is around 100) would've voted for the BNP in the european elections. They are very much a minority party, but still a threat due to their hate filled ideology.
I have heard a lot from the UAF lot today, but not one of them seems bright enough to see the irony in the fact that they are using violence and intimidation to prevent free speech from a fascist.
[cite]Posted By: bigstemarra[/cite]I have heard a lot from the UAF lot today, but not one of them seems bright enough to see the irony in the fact that they are using violence and intimidation to prevent free speech from a fascist.
Its not about what he says or dosnt , its not about the 100 people in the studio its about:
* Peter Hain who marched down the road giving the black power salute at pro Mugabe marches trying to get an elected MEP banned * Its about the total colapse of the Labour vote in the Eu election that gave the BNp two seats * It about the reasons why over 80,000 voted BNP in the London elections *its about why not 10 or a hundred or 10,000 but 100z of thousands will vote BNP in the coming election *Its about why (it the words of) Hazel Blears "white working class are not listening to the Labour message". " Its about why for the first time ever in the UK people are turning to the far right * Its about winning the arguement --- but first find out the questions that should be asked.
Saying all who listen to Griffen etc are bigots , thugs etc etc etc is not the way. The total contempt shown but the leading parties to large areas of THEIR society opens up the gaps that will ALWAYS be used by the far right/left.
Banning an official UK political party to speak on national TV is unlawful..........just because you don't agree with their views is not a reason for them not to be heard. That is the whole point of a democracy (as per Voltaire) - where would you stop?
I don't like the Labour Party but I'm not protesting outside 10 downing street...........just waiting for next may and registering my protest at the ballot box.
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]Its not about what he says or dosnt , its not about the 100 people in the studio its about:
* Peter Hain who marched down the road giving the black power salute at pro Mugabe marches trying to get an elected MEP banned
* Its about the total colapse of the Labour vote in the Eu election that gave the BNp two seats
* It about the reasons why over 80,000 voted BNP in the London elections
*its about why not 10 or a hundred or 10,000 but 100z of thousands will vote BNP in the coming election
*Its about why (it the words of) Hazel Blears "white working class are not listening to the Labour message".
" Its about why for the first time ever in the UK people are turning to the far right
* Its about winning the arguement --- but first find out the questions that should be asked.
Saying all who listen to Griffen etc are bigots , thugs etc etc etc is not the way. The total contempt shown but the leading parties to large areas of THEIR society opens up the gaps that will ALWAYS be used by the far right/left.
Wondered how long it would be before the 'voice of reason' joined in :-)
[cite]Posted By: bigstemarra[/cite]I have heard a lot from the UAF lot today, but not one of them seems bright enough to see the irony in the fact that they are using violence and intimidation to prevent free speech from a fascist.
They both deserve each other.
Never a truer word said.
Snap.
I was at college in the late 1970's. The National Front were active at that time. A NF representative was due to attend a debate at college. The Anti Nazi League (of which I was a member) campaigned throughout the College in the run up to the debate around the slogan "Don't give a platform to Nazi's". They put up a petition, I refused to sign. I was subjected to a great deal of pressure. I refused. They used all the arguments that I have heard today in trying to stop Griffin appearing. i.e.
It gives him legitamacy
He's against true free speech so he shouldn't be given the right of free speech
Hitler came to power through the democratic process
In the end the debate went ahead, the NF bloke stood there, he presented his case, his arguments were shot down, point by point. He looked a buffoon. Nobody takes a buffoon seriously. The tide of fascism in the middle 70's broke against the shore and retreated. It's rolled back in again. I've a hunch the ebb has begun again tonight. I truely hope it has.
The BNP are a racist one dimensional party and their rise isn't a good thing, but their prevalence is useful in exposing some things;
The 'white working class' has had no voice since the mid eighties when Labour and many of the Unions gave up on socialism and instead became obsessed with Liberalism (in both the economic and social sense).
In fact before the BNP started winning seats it was left to Trevor Phillips of all people to point out that there was a significant White underclass that was ignored by all the various equality bodies because they didn't show up on statistics. The way people throw about the term 'Chav'in such a derogatory manner is another example of this, people would be terrified of openly referring to similar groups of minorities in the same way for fear of being labeled racist.
It also highlights the way many people no longer believe what they are being told by the mainstream parties. Many living or working in London know that the immigration statistics are false, they can see the scale of the change in the demographics of the capital and realise that what they see on a daily basis doesn't tally with what they are being told (for some this isn't a problem whilst others fear they are losing their identity and country).
Similarly the reluctance at government level to speak openly about things like the issues of race and crime has led to a degree of cynicism that has taken the debate outside of their control and allowed parties such as the BNP to set the agenda.
Ultimately there will always be some who vote for right wing parties, but many who have voted for them this time are people who have become so disillusioned with the mainstream parties that they feel this is the only way to register their protest.
One final point is that many of the far left groups who have challenged the BNP have been revealed as being as one eyed and knee jerk as the people they oppose. On the surface their cause is noble but the choice of targets is so selective that it makes them impossible to take seriously. People like Unite Against Fascism seem to think that fascism can only have a white face. In fact I'd debate whether the BNP is even fascist (racist certainly but fascist in the true sense?)
If the mainstream parties want to see off the challenge of the BNP then they would do well to stop the petty attempts to ostracize the party and have an open debate about the issues which are of concern to many people in this country.
Anyway, apologies for the rant but its something I feel strongly about!
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And im a tv licence payer too so i have the right to see him make a tit of himself on tv.
The nation will no doubt be waiting with baited breath to get the insightful thoughts and well rounded opinion of Kelly , 23, Romford tommorrow as she stands there with her baps out. ;-)
That's a totally different argument Rodney....and yes you do.
I just wonder if the leader of the SWP wanted to go on question time whether some of you guys kicking up a stink here would be complaining...In case you didn't know Stalin and his merry band killed millions more innocents than the Nazis in the last war, yet seem to have got away with it simply because we wern't actually fighting them but quite rightly fighting The Nazis.
Mind you, had Winston got his way we'd have got together with the rest of Europe and The Yanks and kicked their sorry commie arses all the way back to Moscow!
Much like the average politician then P.
Nick Griffin says Churchill was Islamophobic.
But I can dream..........
Reckon hell get an invite for Strictly come dancing to fill the doddering bufoon void since john sergeant departed.
Is that right...well you could have fooled me P.........Mmmmm maybe Crazy Adolf wasn't a true Nazi?
Wouldn't doubt it for one moment...he was an old devil of course...but if ever the saying "Cometh the hour cometh the man"..... then it surely was appropriate in the case of dear old Winston.
They both deserve each other.
Never a truer word said.
Thankfully the non entity that is swp gets even less votes than the bnp so no chance of having a belly laugh at them on QT.
No one on here was making much fuss imho.
Rather ppl were saying let the racists show themselves up for what they are.
* Peter Hain who marched down the road giving the black power salute at pro Mugabe marches trying to get an elected MEP banned
* Its about the total colapse of the Labour vote in the Eu election that gave the BNp two seats
* It about the reasons why over 80,000 voted BNP in the London elections
*its about why not 10 or a hundred or 10,000 but 100z of thousands will vote BNP in the coming election
*Its about why (it the words of) Hazel Blears "white working class are not listening to the Labour message".
" Its about why for the first time ever in the UK people are turning to the far right
* Its about winning the arguement --- but first find out the questions that should be asked.
Saying all who listen to Griffen etc are bigots , thugs etc etc etc is not the way. The total contempt shown but the leading parties to large areas of THEIR society opens up the gaps that will ALWAYS be used by the far right/left.
Banning an official UK political party to speak on national TV is unlawful..........just because you don't agree with their views is not a reason for them not to be heard. That is the whole point of a democracy (as per Voltaire) - where would you stop?
I don't like the Labour Party but I'm not protesting outside 10 downing street...........just waiting for next may and registering my protest at the ballot box.
Wondered how long it would be before the 'voice of reason' joined in :-)
Snap.
I was at college in the late 1970's. The National Front were active at that time. A NF representative was due to attend a debate at college. The Anti Nazi League (of which I was a member) campaigned throughout the College in the run up to the debate around the slogan "Don't give a platform to Nazi's". They put up a petition, I refused to sign. I was subjected to a great deal of pressure. I refused. They used all the arguments that I have heard today in trying to stop Griffin appearing. i.e.
It gives him legitamacy
He's against true free speech so he shouldn't be given the right of free speech
Hitler came to power through the democratic process
In the end the debate went ahead, the NF bloke stood there, he presented his case, his arguments were shot down, point by point. He looked a buffoon. Nobody takes a buffoon seriously. The tide of fascism in the middle 70's broke against the shore and retreated. It's rolled back in again. I've a hunch the ebb has begun again tonight. I truely hope it has.
It's off topic?
no it's not, he presented a different side of the argument.
Ok it is also a rant not an argument.
a rant is still an argument. anyway, lets close this up now before we all go way off topic and the submarines come out...
The 'white working class' has had no voice since the mid eighties when Labour and many of the Unions gave up on socialism and instead became obsessed with Liberalism (in both the economic and social sense).
In fact before the BNP started winning seats it was left to Trevor Phillips of all people to point out that there was a significant White underclass that was ignored by all the various equality bodies because they didn't show up on statistics. The way people throw about the term 'Chav'in such a derogatory manner is another example of this, people would be terrified of openly referring to similar groups of minorities in the same way for fear of being labeled racist.
It also highlights the way many people no longer believe what they are being told by the mainstream parties. Many living or working in London know that the immigration statistics are false, they can see the scale of the change in the demographics of the capital and realise that what they see on a daily basis doesn't tally with what they are being told (for some this isn't a problem whilst others fear they are losing their identity and country).
Similarly the reluctance at government level to speak openly about things like the issues of race and crime has led to a degree of cynicism that has taken the debate outside of their control and allowed parties such as the BNP to set the agenda.
Ultimately there will always be some who vote for right wing parties, but many who have voted for them this time are people who have become so disillusioned with the mainstream parties that they feel this is the only way to register their protest.
One final point is that many of the far left groups who have challenged the BNP have been revealed as being as one eyed and knee jerk as the people they oppose. On the surface their cause is noble but the choice of targets is so selective that it makes them impossible to take seriously. People like Unite Against Fascism seem to think that fascism can only have a white face. In fact I'd debate whether the BNP is even fascist (racist certainly but fascist in the true sense?)
If the mainstream parties want to see off the challenge of the BNP then they would do well to stop the petty attempts to ostracize the party and have an open debate about the issues which are of concern to many people in this country.
Anyway, apologies for the rant but its something I feel strongly about!