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Official - Palace In Administration
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The Sun (yes i know it's only the Sun) reports that the compensation was 1m and that Ambrose and Danns will be following Warnock on loan.0
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SLP reporting that Paul Hart is to be appointed manager - presumably on a short-term basis.0
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The problems with the main stand at Sellout Park are being raised again. Suggested that they will soon be unable to get a fire certificate. Cost to rectify circa £12M
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[cite]Posted By: Chirpy Red[/cite]Dowie is going back there.
IAIN Dowie was sounded out about a return to Crystal Palace - but the uncertainty over the club's future scuppered any deal.
The club's administrator Brendan Guilfoyle was interested in luring the 45-year-old back to Selhurst Park.
Such an appointment would have divided opinion with Palace fans, some who have never forgiven him for joining arch-rivals Charlton when he left Selhurst Park in May 2006.
A Palace source said: "There was interest in Dowie, that is for sure.
"But in light of the current situation he didn't think it would be right for him - the offer was too short-term."
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In reality, the lack of a fire certificate shouldn't present Palace with a problem. If they come out of administration, but are relegated, they may have to play in a three-sided stadium. This would make sell-outs more likely in turn improving atmosphere; certainly more than a sparsely-populated, but four-sided Selhurst. (The 1992-3 version of the Valley, with just two ends was (almost) always sold out and the atmosphere was often very good). This may even deliver greater revenue (no need to discount tickets to fill out the stadium) and would probably reduce costs (fewer concessions to man; lower policing costs).
Palace don't own the stadium - that's amongst their biggest problems. But this issue may be a blessing for them: surely a three-sided stadium demands lower rents than a four-sided one.
If their ambitions can be scaled down appropriately, a few seasons in the lower reaches of the FL, in a cheap stadium that is not too big, might spell a secure mid-term future.0 -
[cite]Posted By: Chirpy Red[/cite]Dowie is going back there.
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The problem with losing the main stand would be more with losing all the facilities within it rather than the seating capacity.
I've been in it and it's not impressive but all the lounges/bars etc and possibly office space etc would be lost as well.
It's also another cost to a potential buyer. If they have to pay £12m on top of the purchase price that is another deterrent. Even as leaseholders they have a full repair lease so it's a problem either way0 -
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]The problem with losing the main stand would be more with losing all the facilities within it rather than the seating capacity.
I've been in it and it's not impressive but all the lounges/bars etc and possibly office space etc would be lost as well.
and where would the players change?0 -
[cite]Posted By: paulbaconsarnie[/cite][cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]The problem with losing the main stand would be more with losing all the facilities within it rather than the seating capacity.
I've been in it and it's not impressive but all the lounges/bars etc and possibly office space etc would be lost as well.
and where would the players change?
Didn't there use to be some Portacabins at Selhurst? Not sure why I remember that.0 - Sponsored links:
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In the coach.[cite]Posted By: paulbaconsarnie[/cite][cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]The problem with losing the main stand would be more with losing all the facilities within it rather than the seating capacity.
I've been in it and it's not impressive but all the lounges/bars etc and possibly office space etc would be lost as well.
and where would the players change?0 -
[cite]Posted By: paulbaconsarnie[/cite][cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]The problem with losing the main stand would be more with losing all the facilities within it rather than the seating capacity.
I've been in it and it's not impressive but all the lounges/bars etc and possibly office space etc would be lost as well.
and where would the players change?
In the changing rooms! The stand being condemned won't affect the dressing rooms.0 -
Whats this? You commenting on a "tedious" Palace topic! Whatever next.....[cite]Posted By: Chirpy Red[/cite]Dowie is going back there.0 -
Why are the Palace fans so angry about Warnock? I might be wrong here but I don't think he engineered the move and stated that he would only go if Palace got some compensation.
Palace need money and he is / was an asset that the administrator saw as something which could raise some much needed capital. It's rather like when we bought Svensson from them. We offered them a fee and it was accepted. You can't blame the person who moves surely.
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it's irrational but then again it was irrational for them to love Jordan so much when it had been clear for years which road he was taking them down.
It was irrational to expect Administration to be a "good thing" and that they would be bought quickly and retain Moses and all the other players.
It was irrational to take at face value everything the Administrator said about buyers coming in and Warnock staying and "good talks" over the ground and rent.
It was irrational to put so much faith in Warnock (good manager that he is) being the messiah when his high wages and friendship with Jordan both meant him leaving were likely.0 -
[cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]In reality, the lack of a fire certificate shouldn't present Palace with a problem. If they come out of administration, but are relegated, they may have to play in a three-sided stadium. This would make sell-outs more likely in turn improving atmosphere; certainly more than a sparsely-populated, but four-sided Selhurst. (The 1992-3 version of the Valley, with just two ends was (almost) always sold out and the atmosphere was often very good). This may even deliver greater revenue (no need to discount tickets to fill out the stadium) and would probably reduce costs (fewer concessions to man; lower policing costs).
Palace don't own the stadium - that's amongst their biggest problems. But this issue may be a blessing for them: surely a three-sided stadium demands lower rents than a four-sided one.
If their ambitions can be scaled down appropriately, a few seasons in the lower reaches of the FL, in a cheap stadium that is not too big, might spell a secure mid-term future.
The majority wouldn't buy a three-legged dog so a three-sided stadium will not be attractive to any potential buyers.0 -
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]The problem with losing the main stand would be more with losing all the facilities within it rather than the seating capacity.
I've been in it and it's not impressive but all the lounges/bars etc and possibly office space etc would be lost as well.
It's also another cost to a potential buyer. If they have to pay £12m on top of the purchase price that is another deterrent. Even as leaseholders they have a full repair lease so it's a problem either way
This would, in all normal circumstances, be factored into the price to be paid for the Ground. It has been stated that there was a buy back price under the lease of £18M but that most people in the know expect it to cost somewhere between £8M and £12M. Does that price reflect knowledge of the need to replace the main stand? If it doesn't, what is the ground worth?
In addition to this, everybody knows the land is worth much more as prime development for housing. The lower the existing usage value is to a potential buyer, the more likely the landlord/their administrators will be playing hard ball over the price and the more difficult it will be to find a buyer.
If you add to this, the belief that the Holmesdale Stand basement (which was to be used as a bowling alley), has serious drainage problems and it is believed to be flooded, then it doesn't paint a particularly decent picture for any prospective buyer.
Of course if a buyer for the club comes in as a tenant then that will scupper any non football redevelopment plans and you would expect club and Landlord to strike a deal, either to purchase the ground at a sensible price or re-negotiate the lease to one that is more manageable.0 -
I'd much rather buy out the whole of my road than that shiitehole... Riiip0
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Paul Hart manager until end of season - SSN0
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[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]it's irrational but then again it was irrational for them to love Jordan so much when it had been clear for years which road he was taking them down.
It was irrational to expect Administration to be a "good thing" and that they would be bought quickly and retain Moses and all the other players.
It was irrational to take at face value everything the Administrator said about buyers coming in and Warnock staying and "good talks" over the ground and rent.
It was irrational to put so much faith in Warnock (good manager that he is) being the messiah when his high wages and friendship with Jordan both meant him leaving were likely.
tbf it's probably also irrational to believe that NW had no contact with QPR until compensation was agreed, which Neil would like us to believe.0 - Sponsored links:
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If he didn't then it would be a first.
Still Paul Hart is a good coach, kept Pompey up and should do well with the young players as his real area is youth development.
The big question is will he have the impact that is needed to lift a demoralised team who has just lost their leader after telling some of them (Clyne) to stay.0 -
Did someone say there was a three legged dog for sale?0
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[cite]Posted By: thewolfboy[/cite]Did someone say there was a three legged dog for sale?
Got taken to the vet and put down.0 -
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]If he didn't then it would be a first.
Still Paul Hart is a good coach, kept Pompey up and should do well with the young players as his real area is youth development.
The big question is will he have the impact that is needed to lift a demoralised team who has just lost their leader after telling some of them (Clyne) to stay.
I would imagine that will be Dougies role, he knows some of the older players, and he was also involved with the younger ones while he was here previously.
I must admit I'm quite optimistic about this, and what would make it even better would be to see QPR in the bottom 3. I just hope it takes him as long as it did to get his 1st QPR win, as he did at Palace, 7 I think.0 -
TBH I think it is between Weds, QPR and Palace.
Ispwich seem able to pick up enough results to stay up. QPR also.
Sheff Weds seem worse than Palace but that depends on the Glaziers holding on to their top performers.
If Danns goes to Swansea and others to QPR that leaves you a very thin squad. The Administrator may and may not need the cash but I suspect a few players will see Warnock going and think "sod this, I'm off too".
And who do Palace play last game of the season?0 -
I think the new management team is the best we could hope for under the circumstances, and importantly they are 3 decent men.
Jordan, Warnock and Curle all now out of my club, and I cannot say I will miss them.....birds of a feather those 3.0 -
[cite]Posted By: son of selhurst[/cite]I think the new management team is the best we could hope for under the circumstances, and importantly they are 3 decent men.
trying to be objective, i think you're right.0 -
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]TBH I think it is between Weds, QPR and Palace.
If Danns goes to Swansea and others to QPR that leaves you a very thin squad. The Administrator may and may not need the cash but I suspect a few players will see Warnock going and think "sod this, I'm off too".
And who do Palace play last game of the season?
According to the official word, nobody will be leaving, and with the thin squad we have, and the embargo meaning we cannot bring in anyone new, I'd be disapointed if anyone was to leave, especially to QPR.
As for the last game of the season, hopefully we'll both be safe by then, and you'll have another London derby next season.
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If so, that's very, very good news. How "official" is it?[cite]Posted By: budgie[/cite][cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]TBH I think it is between Weds, QPR and Palace.
If Danns goes to Swansea and others to QPR that leaves you a very thin squad. The Administrator may and may not need the cash but I suspect a few players will see Warnock going and think "sod this, I'm off too".
And who do Palace play last game of the season?
According to the official word, nobody will be leaving, and with the thin squad we have, and the embargo meaning we cannot bring in anyone new, I'd be disapointed if anyone was to leave, especially to QPR.
As for the last game of the season, hopefully we'll both be safe by then, and you'll have another London derby next season.0 -
Paul Hart's managerial record (not renouned for being a winner): -
Team From To Games won Lost Drawn
QPR 17/12/2009 15/01/2010 5 1 2 2
Portsmouth
09/02/2009 24/11/2009 30 9 15 6
Barnsley 04/03/2004 04/03/2005 51 14 18 19
Nottm Forest 12/07/2001 07/02/2004 134 42 48 44
Chesterfield 02/11/1988 01/01/1991 111 38 43 300
