The elizabeth line to Custom house and whitechapel (change for one stop to Stratford) etc, is a public transport option for some. Can see this reducing to £2 rather than £4 in the way billymix suggests above. Still would prefer either all crossings or none to be taxed. Can't see the Woolwich ferry being free for much longer either.
Ah the Fuck South London Toll I see, I get the toll for all the lorries and vans etc driving all the way through London to get to the Blackwall but £8 a day for someone who lives just South of the river and has to work just to the North of it is extortion
That's why there's a consultation There's a facility to appraise the proposer of issues and apparent unfairnesses. Raise your matter through the channel provided and with your local political representation - it's guaranteed to be a voter issue next time around. Maybe Sam3110 could spruce up their delivery a bit, profanity and paranoia don't go over well.
Devil's advocate and Sadiq Kahn will point out the public transport alternatives to being 'extorted £8/day' especially for residents close to the tunnels.
Unless Kahn really is the car hating uber-woke pro-cycling loony who is desperate to lose the next mayoral election, I'd venture to suggest that this initial 'proposal' is the worst case/maximum charges scenario. Any operator with any nouse will initially offer up something nasty so they look attentive and considerate when they enact something sweeter come the time.
If you believe the consultation will change anything I would remind they also conducted a consultation for the expanded ULEZ…
People who live east of the city will have to pay a toll to cross the Thames, its only fair that those living in the west of London should do the same.
This.
I wonder when Sadiq Khan will bring in a toll to cross Hammersmith Bridge, Chelsea Bridge, etc etc
He has to rebuild the farking thing first…
It's going to cost £250m to fix, it'll end up with a toll.
People who live east of the city will have to pay a toll to cross the Thames, its only fair that those living in the west of London should do the same.
This.
I wonder when Sadiq Khan will bring in a toll to cross Hammersmith Bridge, Chelsea Bridge, etc etc
He has to rebuild the farking thing first…
It's going to cost £250m to fix, it'll end up with a toll.
Yes but when enough money has been collected it will go back to being free. Just like the Dartford crossing.
Planned concessions for drivers include: – Half-price tolling for low-income households (those on certain benefits) in Greenwich, Lewisham, Bexley,Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Barking & Dagenham, Bromley, Hackney, Havering, Redbridge Waltham Forest and the City. This will last for at least three years following the Silvertown Tunnel’s opening and will be reviewed after that. – Small businesses, sole traders and charities who sign up to Autopay will get a £1 discount on off-peak charges (bringing the cost down to 50p). – Taxis, blue badge holders and wheelchair-accessible minicabs will also be exempt. “Zero-mission capable” private hire vehicles would also be exempt. – NHS staff and patients will be able to get refunds. https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/07/10/blackwall-and-silvertown-tunnel-tolls-revealed/
Planned concessions for drivers include: – Half-price tolling for low-income households (those on certain benefits) in Greenwich, Lewisham, Bexley,Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Barking & Dagenham, Bromley, Hackney, Havering, Redbridge Waltham Forest and the City. This will last for at least three years following the Silvertown Tunnel’s opening and will be reviewed after that. – Small businesses, sole traders and charities who sign up to Autopay will get a £1 discount on off-peak charges (bringing the cost down to 50p). – Taxis, blue badge holders and wheelchair-accessible minicabs will also be exempt. “Zero-mission capable” private hire vehicles would also be exempt. – NHS staff and patients will be able to get refunds. https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/07/10/blackwall-and-silvertown-tunnel-tolls-revealed/5
An utter f***ing joke - the Silvertown tunnel is a ridiculous idea thought up by a bunch of clowns. Local residents get tolls and more pollution.
Planned concessions for drivers include: – Half-price tolling for low-income households (those on certain benefits) in Greenwich, Lewisham, Bexley,Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Barking & Dagenham, Bromley, Hackney, Havering, Redbridge Waltham Forest and the City. This will last for at least three years following the Silvertown Tunnel’s opening and will be reviewed after that. – Small businesses, sole traders and charities who sign up to Autopay will get a £1 discount on off-peak charges (bringing the cost down to 50p). – Taxis, blue badge holders and wheelchair-accessible minicabs will also be exempt. “Zero-mission capable” private hire vehicles would also be exempt. – NHS staff and patients will be able to get refunds. https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/07/10/blackwall-and-silvertown-tunnel-tolls-revealed/
Whatever way they try and dress it up, it's a complete and utter piss take.
Planned concessions for drivers include: – Half-price tolling for low-income households (those on certain benefits) in Greenwich, Lewisham, Bexley,Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Barking & Dagenham, Bromley, Hackney, Havering, Redbridge Waltham Forest and the City. This will last for at least three years following the Silvertown Tunnel’s opening and will be reviewed after that. – Small businesses, sole traders and charities who sign up to Autopay will get a £1 discount on off-peak charges (bringing the cost down to 50p). – Taxis, blue badge holders and wheelchair-accessible minicabs will also be exempt. “Zero-mission capable” private hire vehicles would also be exempt. – NHS staff and patients will be able to get refunds. https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/07/10/blackwall-and-silvertown-tunnel-tolls-revealed/5
An utter f***ing joke - the Silvertown tunnel is a ridiculous idea thought up by a bunch of clowns. Local residents get tolls and more pollution.
Tunnel had to happen imo. its the funding from central govt that pushed them into this position. This is why we are so behind on infrastructure. Getting anything funded let alone built is impossible.
As I say this as someone who until fairly recently lived on the peninsular and was affected by the works.
Apparently electric cars going to pay ulez after 2025. I think rickshaws will be ok though
Its the Congestion Charge not ULEZ Charge after 25/12/25 that will be payable
Which is quite correct, as they cause congestion as much as petrol and diesel vehicles. Indeed more congestion, seeing that most electric vehicles are massive SUVs.
Planned concessions for drivers include: – Half-price tolling for low-income households (those on certain benefits) in Greenwich, Lewisham, Bexley,Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Barking & Dagenham, Bromley, Hackney, Havering, Redbridge Waltham Forest and the City. This will last for at least three years following the Silvertown Tunnel’s opening and will be reviewed after that. – Small businesses, sole traders and charities who sign up to Autopay will get a £1 discount on off-peak charges (bringing the cost down to 50p). – Taxis, blue badge holders and wheelchair-accessible minicabs will also be exempt. “Zero-mission capable” private hire vehicles would also be exempt. – NHS staff and patients will be able to get refunds. https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/07/10/blackwall-and-silvertown-tunnel-tolls-revealed/5
An utter f***ing joke - the Silvertown tunnel is a ridiculous idea thought up by a bunch of clowns. Local residents get tolls and more pollution.
Tunnel had to happen imo. its the funding from central govt that pushed them into this position. This is why we are so behind on infrastructure. Getting anything funded let alone built is impossible.
As I say this as someone who until fairly recently lived on the peninsular and was affected by the works.
It's a ludicrous idea. Will lead to more traffic in a polluted area.
We don't need another tunnel in this area- nobody can justify it. Khan made no attempt to do so and local opposition has simply been ignored.
Planned concessions for drivers include: – Half-price tolling for low-income households (those on certain benefits) in Greenwich, Lewisham, Bexley,Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Barking & Dagenham, Bromley, Hackney, Havering, Redbridge Waltham Forest and the City. This will last for at least three years following the Silvertown Tunnel’s opening and will be reviewed after that. – Small businesses, sole traders and charities who sign up to Autopay will get a £1 discount on off-peak charges (bringing the cost down to 50p). – Taxis, blue badge holders and wheelchair-accessible minicabs will also be exempt. “Zero-mission capable” private hire vehicles would also be exempt. – NHS staff and patients will be able to get refunds. https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/07/10/blackwall-and-silvertown-tunnel-tolls-revealed/5
An utter f***ing joke - the Silvertown tunnel is a ridiculous idea thought up by a bunch of clowns. Local residents get tolls and more pollution.
Tunnel had to happen imo. its the funding from central govt that pushed them into this position. This is why we are so behind on infrastructure. Getting anything funded let alone built is impossible.
As I say this as someone who until fairly recently lived on the peninsular and was affected by the works.
It's a ludicrous idea. Will lead to more traffic in a polluted area.
We don't need another tunnel in this area- nobody can justify it. Khan made no attempt to do so and local opposition has simply been ignored.
We don't? Blackwall is running well over capacity every day. Dartford crossing is the busiest stretch of road in the country also well over capacity. We need one there and one at gravesend imo in order to have any chance of future proofing.
Should have built a crossing further down to spread out the load, Dagenham to Crossness/Thamesmead would have made more sense IMO, and there's lots of distribution centres on both sides of the river there so they could have made them commercial-centric
The Silvertown tunnel is much needed as pointed out above.
Sadly the tolls will be here now for the foreseeable, regardless of how quick it takes to cover the costs from the paying road user for that new tunnel.
Should have built a crossing further down to spread out the load, Dagenham to Crossness/Thamesmead would have made more sense IMO, and there's lots of distribution centres on both sides of the river there so they could have made them commercial-centric
People who live east of the city will have to pay a toll to cross the Thames, its only fair that those living in the west of London should do the same.
This.
I wonder when Sadiq Khan will bring in a toll to cross Hammersmith Bridge, Chelsea Bridge, etc etc
He has to rebuild the farking thing first…
It's going to cost £250m to fix, it'll end up with a toll.
Yes but when enough money has been collected it will go back to being free. Just like
Planned concessions for drivers include: – Half-price tolling for low-income households (those on certain benefits) in Greenwich, Lewisham, Bexley,Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Barking & Dagenham, Bromley, Hackney, Havering, Redbridge Waltham Forest and the City. This will last for at least three years following the Silvertown Tunnel’s opening and will be reviewed after that. – Small businesses, sole traders and charities who sign up to Autopay will get a £1 discount on off-peak charges (bringing the cost down to 50p). – Taxis, blue badge holders and wheelchair-accessible minicabs will also be exempt. “Zero-mission capable” private hire vehicles would also be exempt. – NHS staff and patients will be able to get refunds. https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/07/10/blackwall-and-silvertown-tunnel-tolls-revealed/5
An utter f***ing joke - the Silvertown tunnel is a ridiculous idea thought up by a bunch of clowns. Local residents get tolls and more pollution.
Tunnel had to happen imo. its the funding from central govt that pushed them into this position. This is why we are so behind on infrastructure. Getting anything funded let alone built is impossible.
As I say this as someone who until fairly recently lived on the peninsular and was affected by the works.
It's a ludicrous idea. Will lead to more traffic in a polluted area.
We don't need another tunnel in this area- nobody can justify it. Khan made no attempt to do so and local opposition has simply been ignored.
We don't? Blackwall is running well over capacity every day. Dartford crossing is the busiest stretch of road in the country also well over capacity. We need one there and one at gravesend imo in order to have any chance of future proofing.
We don't need two river crossings in the same area - even more pollution.
It's a f***ing disgrace and crap for the local area. A mental idea but par for the course.
TFL are utterly clueless - not sure how this will meet their pollution goals.
Apparently electric cars going to pay ulez after 2025. I think rickshaws will be ok though
Not the ULEZ just the central congestion zone.
Electric cars were except from the congestion charge for a couple of years as an incentive to get people to change.
These road improvements will lead to more people driving so won't improve the traffic. In LA they have 10 lane freeways at a standstill, although in fairness their public transport isn't great, unlike London's.
Planned concessions for drivers include: – Half-price tolling for low-income households (those on certain benefits) in Greenwich, Lewisham, Bexley,Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Barking & Dagenham, Bromley, Hackney, Havering, Redbridge Waltham Forest and the City. This will last for at least three years following the Silvertown Tunnel’s opening and will be reviewed after that. – Small businesses, sole traders and charities who sign up to Autopay will get a £1 discount on off-peak charges (bringing the cost down to 50p). – Taxis, blue badge holders and wheelchair-accessible minicabs will also be exempt. “Zero-mission capable” private hire vehicles would also be exempt. – NHS staff and patients will be able to get refunds. https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/07/10/blackwall-and-silvertown-tunnel-tolls-revealed/5
An utter f***ing joke - the Silvertown tunnel is a ridiculous idea thought up by a bunch of clowns. Local residents get tolls and more pollution.
Tunnel had to happen imo. its the funding from central govt that pushed them into this position. This is why we are so behind on infrastructure. Getting anything funded let alone built is impossible.
As I say this as someone who until fairly recently lived on the peninsular and was affected by the works.
It's a ludicrous idea. Will lead to more traffic in a polluted area.
We don't need another tunnel in this area- nobody can justify it. Khan made no attempt to do so and local opposition has simply been ignored.
We don't? Blackwall is running well over capacity every day. Dartford crossing is the busiest stretch of road in the country also well over capacity. We need one there and one at gravesend imo in order to have any chance of future proofing.
We don't need two river crossings in the same area - even more pollution.
It's a f***ing disgrace and crap for the local area. A mental idea but par for the course.
TFL are utterly clueless - not sure how this will meet their pollution goals.
I lived on the peninsula until fairly recently and was affected by the works. I still think it was much needed as did most of my neighbours that I spoke to about it. When the Blackwall Tunnel had a problem the entire area would come to a standstill. We wouldn't be able to get out the carpark for our building. People would be mounting the pavement to try and cut queues even as the primary school was letting kids out. Everyone wanted another tunnel to prevent this from happening.
As for pollution, cars moving freely produce much less than cars not moving. You could taste and smell the difference in the air quality when the tunnel was screwed even 8 floors up.
In an ideal world yes there would be a bigger gap between the 2 and spread them out but there were various physical and geographical reasons that meant it was just too expensive to dig on other sites.
Apparently electric cars going to pay ulez after 2025. I think rickshaws will be ok though
Not the ULEZ just the central congestion zone.
Electric cars were except from the congestion charge for a couple of years as an incentive to get people to change.
These road improvements will lead to more people driving so won't improve the traffic. In LA they have 10 lane freeways at a standstill, although in fairness their public transport isn't great, unlike London's.
Electric car owners currently pay £10 per year to avoid paying the Central London daily congestion charge. This is what is being withdrawn at the end of next year.
If it has to be paid then we have to swallow it, but I believe private vehicles registered at addresses in Southwark, Lewisham, Greenwich and Bexley, and Tower Hamlets and Newham (have I left out an obvious Borough?) should somehow be exempt. What worries me is the technology you have to negotiate in order to pay. I would much prefer paying cash at a tollbooth.
If it has to be paid then we have to swallow it, but I believe private vehicles registered at addresses in Southwark, Lewisham, Greenwich and Bexley, and Tower Hamlets and Newham (have I left out an obvious Borough?) should somehow be exempt. What worries me is the technology you have to negotiate in order to pay. I would much prefer paying cash at a tollbooth.
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Just like the Dartford crossing.
Few years time it will be pay by the mile
– Half-price tolling for low-income households (those on certain benefits) in Greenwich, Lewisham, Bexley, Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Barking & Dagenham, Bromley, Hackney, Havering, Redbridge Waltham Forest and the City. This will last for at least three years following the Silvertown Tunnel’s opening and will be reviewed after that.
– Small businesses, sole traders and charities who sign up to Autopay will get a £1 discount on off-peak charges (bringing the cost down to 50p).
– Taxis, blue badge holders and wheelchair-accessible minicabs will also be exempt. “Zero-mission capable” private hire vehicles would also be exempt.
– NHS staff and patients will be able to get refunds.
https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/07/10/blackwall-and-silvertown-tunnel-tolls-revealed/
As I say this as someone who until fairly recently lived on the peninsular and was affected by the works.
We don't need another tunnel in this area- nobody can justify it. Khan made no attempt to do so and local opposition has simply been ignored.
The Dartford crossing is a prime example of that
It's a f***ing disgrace and crap for the local area. A mental idea but par for the course.
TFL are utterly clueless - not sure how this will meet their pollution goals.
These road improvements will lead to more people driving so won't improve the traffic. In LA they have 10 lane freeways at a standstill, although in fairness their public transport isn't great, unlike London's.
As for pollution, cars moving freely produce much less than cars not moving. You could taste and smell the difference in the air quality when the tunnel was screwed even 8 floors up.
In an ideal world yes there would be a bigger gap between the 2 and spread them out but there were various physical and geographical reasons that meant it was just too expensive to dig on other sites.
What worries me is the technology you have to negotiate in order to pay. I would much prefer paying cash at a tollbooth.