0 in 7 for Eintracht 17 in 73 for Norwich 35 in 101 for Gills 40 in 88 for Rushden & Diamonds
Certainly a pattern there.
It's not the most exciting goals record I grant you that, however I suppose you could argue the same thing for Yann before he came here. Or on the other side Soldado had a great goal record before he went Spurs, and now he is just a penalty specialist.
Hopefully if we do sign him, Powell can get the best out of him.
Not the most exciting goals record?
1/4.2 for Norwich 1/2.8 Gills 1/2.2
ave 1/3 - I'd like to describe that as great (unless of course I have effed the maths up)
Surely you have to take into context the level at which the goals are scored.
Basically 1 in 4.2 at our level. Not sure that's great for a 'goalscorer' tbh,
Some of those appearances for Norwich were substitute appearances in the Prem and even in the Championship he was mainly a sub, as Holt and Martin played most of the promotion season.
Saw Jackson a few times playing for Norwich. Looked good in the championship but struggled in the Prem. where they used him mainly as a sub. Think I remember him coming on late to score a hat trick in ten minutes against a poor Scunthorpe side. Will give us pace similar to Church but is a better striker. Good signing if it happens.
In fact 2010/11 is the best season to compare to us when he started 20 games and came off the bench 18 times in the league, he scored 13 league goals that season. At the start of that season he was only 23.
Not saying he is going to fire us to promotion but his goal record is far better that what we have and he is coming into his prime.
0 in 7 for Eintracht 17 in 73 for Norwich 35 in 101 for Gills 40 in 88 for Rushden & Diamonds
Certainly a pattern there.
It's not the most exciting goals record I grant you that, however I suppose you could argue the same thing for Yann before he came here. Or on the other side Soldado had a great goal record before he went Spurs, and now he is just a penalty specialist.
Hopefully if we do sign him, Powell can get the best out of him.
Not the most exciting goals record?
1/4.2 for Norwich 1/2.8 Gills 1/2.2
ave 1/3 - I'd like to describe that as great (unless of course I have effed the maths up)
You do know I was trying to defend the potential signing of Jackson right? By stating that stats, especially stuff done at previous clubs, should not really define how you think a player will perform for his new club.
Though I will address your point on what I think is an exciting goals record.
Firstly, I think the main issue JT was pointing out is his decline in goals per game the further into his career he has gone as opposed to his overall record of goals per game. Overall Jackson has a record of 92 goals in 269 games so a goal every 2.9 games which which would translate roughly to about 15/16 goals per league season in the championship (probably 5/6 shy of what I personally would like) which is pretty solid, but certainly not 'exciting'.
With today's standard, no I wouldn't describe that as an 'exciting' goal record, personally I would describe a top goal scoring striker (Messi, Ronaldo etc being the exception) as having a record say around 50ish goals in 80 games, so basically a goal ever 1.6ish. Jordan Rhodes for example has 140 in 250 appearances which is a goal every 1.7 games.
Miller? I havn't checked but I think he'll have worse stats than Church.
Miller: 35 goals in 88 starts and 91 sub appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.1 appearances (starts and subs). Church: 35 goals in 128 starts and 71 subs appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.7 appearances (starts and subs).
Miller? I havn't checked but I think he'll have worse stats than Church.
Miller: 35 goals in 88 starts and 91 sub appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.1 appearances (starts and subs). Church: 35 goals in 128 starts and 71 subs appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.7 appearances (starts and subs).
As I've already said - I'd rather Jackson and Reza as the pacy ones to stretch a game or feed off Kermy.
I stand by what I have said - if we had a pacy striker who could read Kermorgant's flicks they would be prolific. If they can find a bit of space and give Kermorgant an intelligent option they would be prolific.
Against Welling we had Pigott making intelligent runs and Kermy played a large part in his hat trick. Step it up a few levels and swap Piggy for Jackson or Reza (from what we've seen) and you could have something excellent. Similarly Reza and Jackson could work well together as a pair of nippy strikers.
Pace is the one thing we sadly lack and pace is the one thing that scares defenders - certainly at this level.
In summary - Jackson would be a yes and Miller, for me, a no
Someone posted in the boro vs Charlton post match remarks thread that Powell was bringing in a player today. Haven't had time to scroll through the previous posts over the last few days, so am I right to assume it is either one or both of these? Also where is it officially about this Koc guy?
0 in 7 for Eintracht 17 in 73 for Norwich 35 in 101 for Gills 40 in 88 for Rushden & Diamonds
Certainly a pattern there.
It's not the most exciting goals record I grant you that, however I suppose you could argue the same thing for Yann before he came here. Or on the other side Soldado had a great goal record before he went Spurs, and now he is just a penalty specialist.
Hopefully if we do sign him, Powell can get the best out of him.
Not the most exciting goals record?
1/4.2 for Norwich 1/2.8 Gills 1/2.2
ave 1/3 - I'd like to describe that as great (unless of course I have effed the maths up)
You do know I was trying to defend the potential signing of Jackson right? By stating that stats, especially stuff done at previous clubs, should not really define how you think a player will perform for his new club.
Though I will address your point on what I think is an exciting goals record.
Firstly, I think the main issue JT was pointing out is his decline in goals per game the further into his career he has gone as opposed to his overall record of goals per game. Overall Jackson has a record of 92 goals in 269 games so a goal every 2.9 games which which would translate roughly to about 15/16 goals per league season in the championship (probably 5/6 shy of what I personally would like) which is pretty solid, but certainly not 'exciting'.
With today's standard, no I wouldn't describe that as an 'exciting' goal record, personally I would describe a top goal scoring striker (Messi, Ronaldo etc being the exception) as having a record say around 50ish goals in 80 games, so basically a goal ever 1.6ish. Jordan Rhodes for example has 140 in 250 appearances which is a goal every 1.7 games.
I think you're being harsh. 1 in 2 is a generally accepted ratio for a decent striker. Anything above that is bordering on hero status
0 in 7 for Eintracht 17 in 73 for Norwich 35 in 101 for Gills 40 in 88 for Rushden & Diamonds
Certainly a pattern there.
It's not the most exciting goals record I grant you that, however I suppose you could argue the same thing for Yann before he came here. Or on the other side Soldado had a great goal record before he went Spurs, and now he is just a penalty specialist.
Hopefully if we do sign him, Powell can get the best out of him.
Not the most exciting goals record?
1/4.2 for Norwich 1/2.8 Gills 1/2.2
ave 1/3 - I'd like to describe that as great (unless of course I have effed the maths up)
You do know I was trying to defend the potential signing of Jackson right? By stating that stats, especially stuff done at previous clubs, should not really define how you think a player will perform for his new club.
Though I will address your point on what I think is an exciting goals record.
Firstly, I think the main issue JT was pointing out is his decline in goals per game the further into his career he has gone as opposed to his overall record of goals per game. Overall Jackson has a record of 92 goals in 269 games so a goal every 2.9 games which which would translate roughly to about 15/16 goals per league season in the championship (probably 5/6 shy of what I personally would like) which is pretty solid, but certainly not 'exciting'.
With today's standard, no I wouldn't describe that as an 'exciting' goal record, personally I would describe a top goal scoring striker (Messi, Ronaldo etc being the exception) as having a record say around 50ish goals in 80 games, so basically a goal ever 1.6ish. Jordan Rhodes for example has 140 in 250 appearances which is a goal every 1.7 games.
I think you're being harsh. 1 in 2 is a generally accepted ratio for a decent striker. Anything above that is bordering on hero status
Ha ha, indeed you might be right. As you stated 1 in 2 is a generally accepted ratio, and one I would be happy with. However the way the game is going these days, and with the amount of overall goals scored per season increasing, I wonder if that will be the case in the near future.
Miller? I havn't checked but I think he'll have worse stats than Church.
Miller: 35 goals in 88 starts and 91 sub appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.1 appearances (starts and subs). Church: 35 goals in 128 starts and 71 subs appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.7 appearances (starts and subs).
As I've already said - I'd rather Jackson and Reza as the pacy ones to stretch a game or feed off Kermy.
I stand by what I have said - if we had a pacy striker who could read Kermorgant's flicks they would be prolific. If they can find a bit of space and give Kermorgant an intelligent option they would be prolific.
Against Welling we had Pigott making intelligent runs and Kermy played a large part in his hat trick. Step it up a few levels and swap Piggy for Jackson or Reza (from what we've seen) and you could have something excellent. Similarly Reza and Jackson could work well together as a pair of nippy strikers.
Pace is the one thing we sadly lack and pace is the one thing that scares defenders - certainly at this level.
In summary - Jackson would be a yes and Miller, for me, a no
Jackson will score goals at this level and has proven that. He tried in the Premier League scored a couple but struggled. Miller used to be a strong striker who scored the odd goal (but then again so was Michael Ricketts once). If we got both i'd be happy. If we only got Miller i would be disappointed purely because he is not the goal getter we need.
Miller? I havn't checked but I think he'll have worse stats than Church.
Miller: 35 goals in 88 starts and 91 sub appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.1 appearances (starts and subs). Church: 35 goals in 128 starts and 71 subs appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.7 appearances (starts and subs).
As I've already said - I'd rather Jackson and Reza as the pacy ones to stretch a game or feed off Kermy.
I stand by what I have said - if we had a pacy striker who could read Kermorgant's flicks they would be prolific. If they can find a bit of space and give Kermorgant an intelligent option they would be prolific.
Against Welling we had Pigott making intelligent runs and Kermy played a large part in his hat trick. Step it up a few levels and swap Piggy for Jackson or Reza (from what we've seen) and you could have something excellent. Similarly Reza and Jackson could work well together as a pair of nippy strikers.
Pace is the one thing we sadly lack and pace is the one thing that scares defenders - certainly at this level.
In summary - Jackson would be a yes and Miller, for me, a no
I agree with this but Miller is not slow?
Dunno - honestly don't know much about him apart from he is 6'3" and doesn't score often. Tends to be a little and large combo's that do well so Miller and Kermy wouldn't nnecessary fit that bill. If he's interested and affordable then I am happy enough to sign him up as another option but he would be more squad and less first team starter
I'd be very happy with Simeon Jackson, he's done well everywhere that the's played other than Eintracht Braunschweig who are the worst team in the Bundesliga.
We seem to be getting too bogged down with stats. You can't tell everything about a player from stats. Miller is a big strong unit with a bit of pace, I have seen him a number of times and I have reached that conclusion. Jackson is nippy with an eye for a goal. I have seen him a number of times and have reached that conclusion. I would be happy with either and even happier with both.
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1/4.2 for Norwich
1/2.8 Gills
1/2.2
ave 1/3 - I'd like to describe that as great (unless of course I have effed the maths up)
Basically 1 in 4.2 at our level. Not sure that's great for a 'goalscorer' tbh,
Not saying he is going to fire us to promotion but his goal record is far better that what we have and he is coming into his prime.
Though I will address your point on what I think is an exciting goals record.
Firstly, I think the main issue JT was pointing out is his decline in goals per game the further into his career he has gone as opposed to his overall record of goals per game. Overall Jackson has a record of 92 goals in 269 games so a goal every 2.9 games which which would translate roughly to about 15/16 goals per league season in the championship (probably 5/6 shy of what I personally would like) which is pretty solid, but certainly not 'exciting'.
With today's standard, no I wouldn't describe that as an 'exciting' goal record, personally I would describe a top goal scoring striker (Messi, Ronaldo etc being the exception) as having a record say around 50ish goals in 80 games, so basically a goal ever 1.6ish. Jordan Rhodes for example has 140 in 250 appearances which is a goal every 1.7 games.
Church: 35 goals in 128 starts and 71 subs appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.7 appearances (starts and subs).
Simon Church
Ishmael Miller
I stand by what I have said - if we had a pacy striker who could read Kermorgant's flicks they would be prolific. If they can find a bit of space and give Kermorgant an intelligent option they would be prolific.
Against Welling we had Pigott making intelligent runs and Kermy played a large part in his hat trick. Step it up a few levels and swap Piggy for Jackson or Reza (from what we've seen) and you could have something excellent.
Similarly Reza and Jackson could work well together as a pair of nippy strikers.
Pace is the one thing we sadly lack and pace is the one thing that scares defenders - certainly at this level.
In summary - Jackson would be a yes and Miller, for me, a no
I can't believe that anyone has worse stats than Church!
I'd rather have Jackson, but if we can have both then why not?
No brainer.