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Jan Transfer window thread (DEADLINE DAY STARTS P85)

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    JT said:

    0 in 7 for Eintracht
    17 in 73 for Norwich
    35 in 101 for Gills
    40 in 88 for Rushden & Diamonds


    Certainly a pattern there.

    It's not the most exciting goals record I grant you that, however I suppose you could argue the same thing for Yann before he came here. Or on the other side Soldado had a great goal record before he went Spurs, and now he is just a penalty specialist.

    Hopefully if we do sign him, Powell can get the best out of him.
    Not the most exciting goals record?

    1/4.2 for Norwich
    1/2.8 Gills
    1/2.2

    ave 1/3 - I'd like to describe that as great (unless of course I have effed the maths up)

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    JTJT
    edited January 2014
    Surely you have to take into context the level at which the goals are scored.

    Basically 1 in 4.2 at our level. Not sure that's great for a 'goalscorer' tbh,
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    JT said:

    Surely you have to take into context the level at which the goals are scored.

    Basically 1 in 4.2 at our level. Not sure that's great for a 'goalscorer' tbh,

    Some of those appearances for Norwich were substitute appearances in the Prem and even in the Championship he was mainly a sub, as Holt and Martin played most of the promotion season.
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    Saw Jackson a few times playing for Norwich. Looked good in the championship but struggled in the Prem. where they used him mainly as a sub. Think I remember him coming on late to score a hat trick in ten minutes against a poor Scunthorpe side. Will give us pace similar to Church but is a better striker. Good signing if it happens.
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    In fact 2010/11 is the best season to compare to us when he started 20 games and came off the bench 18 times in the league, he scored 13 league goals that season. At the start of that season he was only 23.

    Not saying he is going to fire us to promotion but his goal record is far better that what we have and he is coming into his prime.
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    Jackson and Miller would be decent, yes please
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    Then it looks like Reza is off ?
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    Miller? I havn't checked but I think he'll have worse stats than Church.
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    PopIcon said:

    JT said:

    0 in 7 for Eintracht
    17 in 73 for Norwich
    35 in 101 for Gills
    40 in 88 for Rushden & Diamonds


    Certainly a pattern there.

    It's not the most exciting goals record I grant you that, however I suppose you could argue the same thing for Yann before he came here. Or on the other side Soldado had a great goal record before he went Spurs, and now he is just a penalty specialist.

    Hopefully if we do sign him, Powell can get the best out of him.
    Not the most exciting goals record?

    1/4.2 for Norwich
    1/2.8 Gills
    1/2.2

    ave 1/3 - I'd like to describe that as great (unless of course I have effed the maths up)

    You do know I was trying to defend the potential signing of Jackson right? By stating that stats, especially stuff done at previous clubs, should not really define how you think a player will perform for his new club.

    Though I will address your point on what I think is an exciting goals record.

    Firstly, I think the main issue JT was pointing out is his decline in goals per game the further into his career he has gone as opposed to his overall record of goals per game. Overall Jackson has a record of 92 goals in 269 games so a goal every 2.9 games which which would translate roughly to about 15/16 goals per league season in the championship (probably 5/6 shy of what I personally would like) which is pretty solid, but certainly not 'exciting'.

    With today's standard, no I wouldn't describe that as an 'exciting' goal record, personally I would describe a top goal scoring striker (Messi, Ronaldo etc being the exception) as having a record say around 50ish goals in 80 games, so basically a goal ever 1.6ish. Jordan Rhodes for example has 140 in 250 appearances which is a goal every 1.7 games.


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    edited January 2014

    Miller? I havn't checked but I think he'll have worse stats than Church.

    Miller: 35 goals in 88 starts and 91 sub appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.1 appearances (starts and subs).
    Church: 35 goals in 128 starts and 71 subs appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.7 appearances (starts and subs).

    Simon Church
    Ishmael Miller


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    Miller? I havn't checked but I think he'll have worse stats than Church.

    Miller: 35 goals in 88 starts and 91 sub appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.1 appearances (starts and subs).
    Church: 35 goals in 128 starts and 71 subs appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.7 appearances (starts and subs).

    Simon Church
    Ishmael Miller


    As I've already said - I'd rather Jackson and Reza as the pacy ones to stretch a game or feed off Kermy.

    I stand by what I have said - if we had a pacy striker who could read Kermorgant's flicks they would be prolific. If they can find a bit of space and give Kermorgant an intelligent option they would be prolific.

    Against Welling we had Pigott making intelligent runs and Kermy played a large part in his hat trick. Step it up a few levels and swap Piggy for Jackson or Reza (from what we've seen) and you could have something excellent.
    Similarly Reza and Jackson could work well together as a pair of nippy strikers.

    Pace is the one thing we sadly lack and pace is the one thing that scares defenders - certainly at this level.

    In summary - Jackson would be a yes and Miller, for me, a no

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    Someone posted in the boro vs Charlton post match remarks thread that Powell was bringing in a player today. Haven't had time to scroll through the previous posts over the last few days, so am I right to assume it is either one or both of these? Also where is it officially about this Koc guy?
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    PopIcon said:

    JT said:

    0 in 7 for Eintracht
    17 in 73 for Norwich
    35 in 101 for Gills
    40 in 88 for Rushden & Diamonds


    Certainly a pattern there.

    It's not the most exciting goals record I grant you that, however I suppose you could argue the same thing for Yann before he came here. Or on the other side Soldado had a great goal record before he went Spurs, and now he is just a penalty specialist.

    Hopefully if we do sign him, Powell can get the best out of him.
    Not the most exciting goals record?

    1/4.2 for Norwich
    1/2.8 Gills
    1/2.2

    ave 1/3 - I'd like to describe that as great (unless of course I have effed the maths up)

    You do know I was trying to defend the potential signing of Jackson right? By stating that stats, especially stuff done at previous clubs, should not really define how you think a player will perform for his new club.

    Though I will address your point on what I think is an exciting goals record.

    Firstly, I think the main issue JT was pointing out is his decline in goals per game the further into his career he has gone as opposed to his overall record of goals per game. Overall Jackson has a record of 92 goals in 269 games so a goal every 2.9 games which which would translate roughly to about 15/16 goals per league season in the championship (probably 5/6 shy of what I personally would like) which is pretty solid, but certainly not 'exciting'.

    With today's standard, no I wouldn't describe that as an 'exciting' goal record, personally I would describe a top goal scoring striker (Messi, Ronaldo etc being the exception) as having a record say around 50ish goals in 80 games, so basically a goal ever 1.6ish. Jordan Rhodes for example has 140 in 250 appearances which is a goal every 1.7 games.


    I think you're being harsh. 1 in 2 is a generally accepted ratio for a decent striker. Anything above that is bordering on hero status

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    Swisdom said:

    PopIcon said:

    JT said:

    0 in 7 for Eintracht
    17 in 73 for Norwich
    35 in 101 for Gills
    40 in 88 for Rushden & Diamonds


    Certainly a pattern there.

    It's not the most exciting goals record I grant you that, however I suppose you could argue the same thing for Yann before he came here. Or on the other side Soldado had a great goal record before he went Spurs, and now he is just a penalty specialist.

    Hopefully if we do sign him, Powell can get the best out of him.
    Not the most exciting goals record?

    1/4.2 for Norwich
    1/2.8 Gills
    1/2.2

    ave 1/3 - I'd like to describe that as great (unless of course I have effed the maths up)

    You do know I was trying to defend the potential signing of Jackson right? By stating that stats, especially stuff done at previous clubs, should not really define how you think a player will perform for his new club.

    Though I will address your point on what I think is an exciting goals record.

    Firstly, I think the main issue JT was pointing out is his decline in goals per game the further into his career he has gone as opposed to his overall record of goals per game. Overall Jackson has a record of 92 goals in 269 games so a goal every 2.9 games which which would translate roughly to about 15/16 goals per league season in the championship (probably 5/6 shy of what I personally would like) which is pretty solid, but certainly not 'exciting'.

    With today's standard, no I wouldn't describe that as an 'exciting' goal record, personally I would describe a top goal scoring striker (Messi, Ronaldo etc being the exception) as having a record say around 50ish goals in 80 games, so basically a goal ever 1.6ish. Jordan Rhodes for example has 140 in 250 appearances which is a goal every 1.7 games.


    I think you're being harsh. 1 in 2 is a generally accepted ratio for a decent striker. Anything above that is bordering on hero status

    Ha ha, indeed you might be right. As you stated 1 in 2 is a generally accepted ratio, and one I would be happy with. However the way the game is going these days, and with the amount of overall goals scored per season increasing, I wonder if that will be the case in the near future.
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    ''Miller? I havn't checked but I think he'll have worse stats than Church''

    I can't believe that anyone has worse stats than Church!
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    Swisdom said:

    Miller? I havn't checked but I think he'll have worse stats than Church.

    Miller: 35 goals in 88 starts and 91 sub appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.1 appearances (starts and subs).
    Church: 35 goals in 128 starts and 71 subs appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.7 appearances (starts and subs).

    Simon Church
    Ishmael Miller


    As I've already said - I'd rather Jackson and Reza as the pacy ones to stretch a game or feed off Kermy.

    I stand by what I have said - if we had a pacy striker who could read Kermorgant's flicks they would be prolific. If they can find a bit of space and give Kermorgant an intelligent option they would be prolific.

    Against Welling we had Pigott making intelligent runs and Kermy played a large part in his hat trick. Step it up a few levels and swap Piggy for Jackson or Reza (from what we've seen) and you could have something excellent.
    Similarly Reza and Jackson could work well together as a pair of nippy strikers.

    Pace is the one thing we sadly lack and pace is the one thing that scares defenders - certainly at this level.

    In summary - Jackson would be a yes and Miller, for me, a no

    I agree with this but Miller is not slow?
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    Jackson will score goals at this level and has proven that. He tried in the Premier League scored a couple but struggled. Miller used to be a strong striker who scored the odd goal (but then again so was Michael Ricketts once). If we got both i'd be happy. If we only got Miller i would be disappointed purely because he is not the goal getter we need.
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    Swisdom said:

    Miller? I havn't checked but I think he'll have worse stats than Church.

    Miller: 35 goals in 88 starts and 91 sub appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.1 appearances (starts and subs).
    Church: 35 goals in 128 starts and 71 subs appearances in all competitions. 1 goal in every 5.7 appearances (starts and subs).

    Simon Church
    Ishmael Miller


    As I've already said - I'd rather Jackson and Reza as the pacy ones to stretch a game or feed off Kermy.

    I stand by what I have said - if we had a pacy striker who could read Kermorgant's flicks they would be prolific. If they can find a bit of space and give Kermorgant an intelligent option they would be prolific.

    Against Welling we had Pigott making intelligent runs and Kermy played a large part in his hat trick. Step it up a few levels and swap Piggy for Jackson or Reza (from what we've seen) and you could have something excellent.
    Similarly Reza and Jackson could work well together as a pair of nippy strikers.

    Pace is the one thing we sadly lack and pace is the one thing that scares defenders - certainly at this level.

    In summary - Jackson would be a yes and Miller, for me, a no

    I agree with this but Miller is not slow?
    Dunno - honestly don't know much about him apart from he is 6'3" and doesn't score often. Tends to be a little and large combo's that do well so Miller and Kermy wouldn't nnecessary fit that bill. If he's interested and affordable then I am happy enough to sign him up as another option but he would be more squad and less first team starter

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    Is Miller the big lad who went down under every challenge against us? If so, no thanks
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    Croydon said:

    Is Miller the big lad who went down under every challenge against us? If so, no thanks

    and scored...

    I'd rather have Jackson, but if we can have both then why not?
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    I'd be very happy with Simeon Jackson, he's done well everywhere that the's played other than Eintracht Braunschweig who are the worst team in the Bundesliga.
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    We seem to be getting too bogged down with stats. You can't tell everything about a player from stats. Miller is a big strong unit with a bit of pace, I have seen him a number of times and I have reached that conclusion. Jackson is nippy with an eye for a goal. I have seen him a number of times and have reached that conclusion. I would be happy with either and even happier with both.
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    Miller is left footed too I think. Would add a bit of variation to the attack
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    Yes please to both.
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    Croydon said:

    Is Miller the big lad who went down under every challenge against us? If so, no thanks

    and scored...

    I'd rather have Jackson, but if we can have both then why not?
    Almost won it for them as well if I remember correctly. I wouldn't be disappointed if he came here, just hopefully he'd stay on his feet a bit more
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    If he falls down in and around the box and wins us free kicks that Yann can bend in the top corner then I dont really care
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    if we sign both I reckon Yann could be off
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    if we sign both I reckon Yann could be off

    Why exactly ? We lost 3 strikers in the summer & replaced them with Church & Sordell

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    still think it will be Goochi

    Would rather he concentrate on our batsmen !

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    Jackson & Miller or Church & Pigott ?

    No brainer.
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