He's still good enough, just maybe not at LM or as part of a midfield 2, holding behind the middle 2 or in front of the back 4. However you define a CDM.
He's still got a role to play.
But if you're going to play a 34 year old in the 1st team, then you need to put quick feet and strong running around him.
a midfielder who had the natural instinct to make forward runs into potential goal scoring positions. Probably first era Jason Euell.
Would have been Dale Stephens if Powell hadn't insisted on him playing in front for the back four.
Wouldn't particularly agree with that, Stephens natural game was to sit deeper and pass the ball. The odd goal he got was usually from outside the box. I may be wrong, but I think Brighton have used him much the same and I don't recall him arriving with a particularly standout scoring record at Rochdale.
Reidy is a better shout, but he was a wide player really and was more inclined to work around the edge of the box and provide the kinds of passes that a player like Euell would finish off. Maybe Zheng Zhi would be the closest. Bryan Hughes used to do it a bit too. Nicky Bailey too was good from wide, but did it less when he was central. My point is we've maybe had one or two since Curbishley left the club. We've had a similar dearth of playmakers too. Stephens and Buyens are the only two that spring to mind. We've certainly almost never had a midfielder who can pass and a midfielder who can make space to receive a pass in the box in the same team at the same time.
He's still good enough, just maybe not at LM or as part of a midfield 2, holding behind the middle 2 or in front of the back 4. However you define a CDM.
He's still got a role to play.
But if you're going to play a 34 year old in the 1st team, then you need to put quick feet and strong running around him.
Absolutely disagree - rose tinted glasses syndrome.
The only possible role would be as a last 5 minutes sub to attack the ball from set pieces to see if he can grab us a goal.
Were you there today? JJ gave us absolutely nothing and was out of his depth.
Please let us remember him as one of the Club's great servants and move him to the Coaching staff or make him Assistant Manager.
I don!t gain any pleasure in negative comments about a Club hero but he has a huge role to play for us off the field where he will be appreciated once again.
I see him as an impact substitution but I'm not sure at the moment who you would replace him with in the starting line up. Today was a joke when it came to him playing as the link man between Josh and our midfield. Last Saturday he wasn't great but he was at least effective against oxford.
The second 4 possibly cos I haven't seen much of them but the first 4, fuck me, even if Jackson was 40 years older and only had half a leg he would be better than those lot.
The second 4 possibly cos I haven't seen much of them but the first 4, fuck me, even if Jackson was 40 years older and only had half a leg he would be better than those lot.
His confidence is just a bit low. You don't become a bad player over night.
I was last at The Valley a little less than two years ago, and in a midfield with Buyens, Coquelin (the little legend), and then Cousins he looked utterly anonymous and frankly past it. The game just passes him by, and he hasn't adapted not only to the fact that he's getting slower, but also to the fact that a Bryan Robson all action box-to-box midfielder just doesn't have a place in the modern game with three-men central midfields unless that player is an exceptional athlete.
He missed a chunk of last year through injury, and when fit down the stretch wasn't first choice. When Riga first came in he tried playing him as a holding midfielder and it kind of sort of worked, but even then, even in our best game of the season against Rotherham, there were times in the first half where the game completely bypassed him due to lack of positioning or technical ability. He was better in the second half when the game condensed. But this is not a new problem. Popping up with the odd goal isn't enough for a central or wide midfielder of 34 if that's all they're contributing.
He's getting on a bit but from what I've seen this season I think he can still do a job, but maybe not for the full 90 minutes. Time to start thinking of his second career as full time defence screen for Calamity Kate.
Yesterday for the first time I thought there might be a grain of truth in the title of this thread.
Likewise Len. Great ambassador for the club, but sadly his playing days are numbered - at least in terms of starting. Good to have on the bench and bring on if we need a goal. The game passed him by yesterday. Don't think that clown Slade helped by changing his position 3 times - it's quite simple, take him off. Him playing behind Magennis up front was laughable.
Speaking of Magennis, really think he ought to come out of the team as well. This lumping it up to him malarkey doesn't work. Any flick ons he won were going to nobody. Personally I want to see Ajose and Novak have 4 or 5 games to get a partnership up and running. They should be starting against Crawley.
Maybe he will be more suited to league 2 football next season.
In all seriousness Cheltenham, who are near the bottom of L2, also gave our geriatric midfield a chasing, so it will be no different in L2. If you're too old to compete, it matters little what division you are in.
In all brutal honesty I think Jacko is just as pissed off as the fans and going through the motion like the rest of us. He was around as skipper when were winning League 1 and already had a great rapport with the fans. When things went down hill he has remained loyal to the club mainly for the fans. During a meeting where he attended as club skipper he was sat next to miere and when she was talking the look on Jacko's face was one where he looked a bit pissed and probably thought to himself... "WTF are you talking about sweetheart?" I think the same in that instance can be said for Sols. Granted Jacko isn't quite as sharp as he was when winning League 1 but he is one of us.
Yesterday for the first time I thought there might be a grain of truth in the title of this thread.
Likewise Len. Great ambassador for the club, but sadly his playing days are numbered - at least in terms of starting. Good to have on the bench and bring on if we need a goal. The game passed him by yesterday. Don't think that clown Slade helped by changing his position 3 times - it's quite simple, take him off. Him playing behind Magennis up front was laughable.
Speaking of Magennis, really think he ought to come out of the team as well. This lumping it up to him malarkey doesn't work. Any flick ons he won were going to nobody. Personally I want to see Ajose and Novak have 4 or 5 games to get a partnership up and running. They should be starting against Crawley.
If you swap your paragraphs around then it becomes much more understandable.
Magennis rarely lays the ball off in a useful manner with his head although you would think he should do better with the practice he gets in matches. Now add to that a 34 year old, who in his prime was a left back/midfielder and who has never admitted to having pace, playing the 'no 10' role. Seriously, what do you expect ?
JJ used most of his energy running into spaces in hope rather than expectation, then chasing back to do his more conventional role. JJ wasn't the problem yesterday, merely a symptom.
Yesterday for the first time I thought there might be a grain of truth in the title of this thread.
Likewise Len. Great ambassador for the club, but sadly his playing days are numbered - at least in terms of starting. Good to have on the bench and bring on if we need a goal. The game passed him by yesterday. Don't think that clown Slade helped by changing his position 3 times - it's quite simple, take him off. Him playing behind Magennis up front was laughable.
Speaking of Magennis, really think he ought to come out of the team as well. This lumping it up to him malarkey doesn't work. Any flick ons he won were going to nobody. Personally I want to see Ajose and Novak have 4 or 5 games to get a partnership up and running. They should be starting against Crawley.
If you swap your paragraphs around then it becomes much more understandable.
Magennis rarely lays the ball off in a useful manner with his head although you would think he should do better with the practice he gets in matches. Now add to that a 34 year old, who in his prime was a left back/midfielder and who has never admitted to having pace, playing the 'no 10' role. Seriously, what do you expect ?
JJ used most of his energy running into spaces in hope rather than expectation, then chasing back to do his more conventional role. JJ wasn't the problem yesterday, merely a symptom.
Don't blame Jackson, blame Magennis! And drop him for Novak while you're about it. Fucking Christ, both of you
Yesterday for the first time I thought there might be a grain of truth in the title of this thread.
Likewise Len. Great ambassador for the club, but sadly his playing days are numbered - at least in terms of starting. Good to have on the bench and bring on if we need a goal. The game passed him by yesterday. Don't think that clown Slade helped by changing his position 3 times - it's quite simple, take him off. Him playing behind Magennis up front was laughable.
Speaking of Magennis, really think he ought to come out of the team as well. This lumping it up to him malarkey doesn't work. Any flick ons he won were going to nobody. Personally I want to see Ajose and Novak have 4 or 5 games to get a partnership up and running. They should be starting against Crawley.
If you swap your paragraphs around then it becomes much more understandable.
Magennis rarely lays the ball off in a useful manner with his head although you would think he should do better with the practice he gets in matches. Now add to that a 34 year old, who in his prime was a left back/midfielder and who has never admitted to having pace, playing the 'no 10' role. Seriously, what do you expect ?
JJ used most of his energy running into spaces in hope rather than expectation, then chasing back to do his more conventional role. JJ wasn't the problem yesterday, merely a symptom.
Don't blame Jackson, blame Magennis! And drop him for Novak while you're about it. Fucking Christ, both of you
I have so much time for JJ - he's CAFC through and through but I'm a realist and given his age he won't be the same player he used to be.
He probably should move towards being an impact sub - but as someone around the dressing room regardless of being on the pitch or not he and Chris Solly are the best assets we have.
All I hope is that he is treated with the same respect and loyalty as he has always shown to Charlton - not the regime - but the real Charlton.
Would love to see him getting into a coaching role. Just hope that the Regime don't shaft him in the process of that.
Yesterday for the first time I thought there might be a grain of truth in the title of this thread.
Likewise Len. Great ambassador for the club, but sadly his playing days are numbered - at least in terms of starting. Good to have on the bench and bring on if we need a goal. The game passed him by yesterday. Don't think that clown Slade helped by changing his position 3 times - it's quite simple, take him off. Him playing behind Magennis up front was laughable.
Speaking of Magennis, really think he ought to come out of the team as well. This lumping it up to him malarkey doesn't work. Any flick ons he won were going to nobody. Personally I want to see Ajose and Novak have 4 or 5 games to get a partnership up and running. They should be starting against Crawley.
If you swap your paragraphs around then it becomes much more understandable.
Magennis rarely lays the ball off in a useful manner with his head although you would think he should do better with the practice he gets in matches. Now add to that a 34 year old, who in his prime was a left back/midfielder and who has never admitted to having pace, playing the 'no 10' role. Seriously, what do you expect ?
JJ used most of his energy running into spaces in hope rather than expectation, then chasing back to do his more conventional role. JJ wasn't the problem yesterday, merely a symptom.
Don't blame Jackson, blame Magennis! And drop him for Novak while you're about it. Fucking Christ, both of you
Dont blame it on sunshine Don't blame it on Jacko, Don't blame it on Konsa, Dont blame it on Novak, blame it on The Brussell.
Why on earth did Jackson start this game in front of Chicksen?
By all accounts Chicksen played well at Bristol Rovers on Tuesday yet was back on the bench today. What message does that send to the squad. When he eventually replaced Jackson and Botaka came on for the last 10 minutes the team started to improve.
Sadly Jackson's legs and pace have now completely gone. He should not be starting matches. The midfield with these ageing players are getting completely overrun and Botaka and Chicksen should now be in the starting eleven.
I genuinely love Johnnie Jackson, he is almost unquestionably a future hall of fame player for us, but surely that's it for him ? He obviously can't play in the middle or the left anymore, you can pick him there for 46 games and you'll get a couple of great games because he still has that class but you won't get enough over a season to justify his selection. At least to save his reputation as an amazing servant for us let's save his reputation by calling it a day now.
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But if you're going to play a 34 year old in the 1st team, then you need to put quick feet and strong running around him.
Reidy is a better shout, but he was a wide player really and was more inclined to work around the edge of the box and provide the kinds of passes that a player like Euell would finish off. Maybe Zheng Zhi would be the closest. Bryan Hughes used to do it a bit too. Nicky Bailey too was good from wide, but did it less when he was central. My point is we've maybe had one or two since Curbishley left the club. We've had a similar dearth of playmakers too. Stephens and Buyens are the only two that spring to mind. We've certainly almost never had a midfielder who can pass and a midfielder who can make space to receive a pass in the box in the same team at the same time.
The only possible role would be as a last 5 minutes sub to attack the ball from set pieces to see if he can grab us a goal.
Were you there today? JJ gave us absolutely nothing and was out of his depth.
Please let us remember him as one of the Club's great servants and move him to the Coaching staff or make him Assistant Manager.
I don!t gain any pleasure in negative comments about a Club hero but he has a huge role to play for us off the field where he will be appreciated once again.
He missed a chunk of last year through injury, and when fit down the stretch wasn't first choice. When Riga first came in he tried playing him as a holding midfielder and it kind of sort of worked, but even then, even in our best game of the season against Rotherham, there were times in the first half where the game completely bypassed him due to lack of positioning or technical ability. He was better in the second half when the game condensed. But this is not a new problem. Popping up with the odd goal isn't enough for a central or wide midfielder of 34 if that's all they're contributing.
Speaking of Magennis, really think he ought to come out of the team as well. This lumping it up to him malarkey doesn't work. Any flick ons he won were going to nobody. Personally I want to see Ajose and Novak have 4 or 5 games to get a partnership up and running. They should be starting against Crawley.
Magennis rarely lays the ball off in a useful manner with his head although you would think he should do better with the practice he gets in matches. Now add to that a 34 year old, who in his prime was a left back/midfielder and who has never admitted to having pace, playing the 'no 10' role. Seriously, what do you expect ?
JJ used most of his energy running into spaces in hope rather than expectation, then chasing back to do his more conventional role. JJ wasn't the problem yesterday, merely a symptom.
Watch the rest of our superstars next time we get a corner or have ro defend one and tell me I'm wrong
He probably should move towards being an impact sub - but as someone around the dressing room regardless of being on the pitch or not he and Chris Solly are the best assets we have.
All I hope is that he is treated with the same respect and loyalty as he has always shown to Charlton - not the regime - but the real Charlton.
Would love to see him getting into a coaching role. Just hope that the Regime don't shaft him in the process of that.
Dont blame it on sunshineDon't blame it on Jacko, Don't blame it on Konsa, Dont blame it on Novak, blame it on The Brussell.
By all accounts Chicksen played well at Bristol Rovers on Tuesday yet was back on the bench today.
What message does that send to the squad. When he eventually replaced Jackson and Botaka came on for the last 10 minutes the team started to improve.
Sadly Jackson's legs and pace have now completely gone. He should not be starting matches. The midfield with these ageing players are getting completely overrun and Botaka and Chicksen should now be in the starting eleven.