Yes, February 2014 ie 2 years and 9 months ago this thread was started. Go back and read the same old nonsense every time he had a less than brilliant game.
That is so long ago that Duchalet has seen a Charlton game live since then and we've had 28 managers.
Of course if you keep saying a 30+ player is passed it you are going to be right eventually but remember people were writing him off the last time we were in league one FFS.
IMHO Jackson shouldn't be starting or even playing wide. Powell said the same after the League 1 winning season.
In the middle with mobile, younger, faster players around him he has something to offer in experience, passing and goals as he's shown time and time again including this season.
His career at this level is coming to an end and it would make more sense to have him on the bench more often than not but he started v Scunthorpe and we won playing good football. And Jacko scored but for many memories are short, blinkers are large and prejudices ingrained.
I really hope Robinson gets the backing to buy two or three extra midfielders and JJ can be used more sparingly and so to more effect.
The real crime here isn't that JJ is getting old but that the club still haven't found his replacement.
It looks like we all agree then. Jackson shouldn't be starting.
Jackson has got 4 goals this season, more than any other non-forward in the squad and 2 behind our overall top scorer, Ademola Lookman. I would imagine his goals scored per goalscoring opportunity ratio is probably significantly higher than anyone else in the squad, and the ability to convert chances into goals is a talent that shouldn't be taken for granted.
If we bought two good central midfield players to do the running, so that Jacko wasn't required to do that anymore and could concentrate on making passes and being in the box at the right time, I think that Jacko could once again look like a decent player, he'd score more and create more because he wouldn't be occupied with attempting to carry out jobs that he's no longer capable of.
If we bought two good central midfield players to play alongside Crofts, Crofts would still look bang average.
That's not to say that Jacko is irreplaceable, or that we should be trying to build a side around him.
This feels a bit like the Rooney debate to me. Rooney is always the focus for criticism after a poor England performance, but just because he's not quite the player he used to be, doesn't mean he's the weakest player in the side. It's the same with Jackson - if I had an unlimited budget to replace 3 players from Saturday's Charlton side, there would be others I'd get rid off before Jacko, so I don't really get why he always seems to get the brunt of the criticism.
I agree with a lot you say in this but you can't carry players at this level. Too many if's and buts. He has to do some running and can't have 2 CM's alongside him really. Should only be used as a sub if we need a goal.
As I have said before I am a huge fan of JJ and all he has done for Charlton, But to play him regularly especially in left midfield is not doing him any favours.Yes he has scored four goals but the truth is a lot of the time he can't keep up with the play.We need a couple of midfield signings in January. I can see why people are precious about JJ but he should be judged on his contributions on the pitch. Not because he has been here a longtime or he is our captain.
I think his legs have gone - well more to the point - he has lost too much speed over the first couple of yards. But I also note that he has still scored more goals than than Crofts and Ulvestadt put together this season. He can do a job for us still, but for me that should mostly be from the bench.
Don't think we're doing JJ any favours by starting him - our midfield is too slow. I'm sure he would admit we're too slow. He could possibly play at LB - Powell played at that position to a good age and didn't rely on pace. JJ has the brains and experience but gets outpaced in midfield.
Despite being asked to play a handful of games as LB at Notts Co, and Parky signing him on loan to cover LB - Jacko has played all his career as a midfielder.
Once Parky signed Jacko permanently, he never played Jacko at LB.
Think he can play at LB - did okay when he played there before. Don't think pace would be such an issue.
But in the modern game pace is necessary. That is why so many wingers are being converted to full backs. Jackson last played full back quite a few years ago.
Jackson isn't finished. In that midfield he's finished. In a midfield that has energy and snap around him he's still got something to offer and will pop up with goals. Not suggesting that JJ will or should start every or even most games but he's still worth his place in the first team squad.
I wouldn't disagree wiuth that. We have been asking to do a job he can't do, but there are jobs he can do. Whether that is with the right players around him or from the bench.
Might have already been mentioned but didnt realise that Johnnie made his 250th appearance from the club on Boxing Day.
Johnnie Jackson @johnnie_jackson 12h12 hours ago Thank you for the messages.Very proud to have reached 250 appearances for Charlton,hoping there's still a couple more left!
Said this on KR to meet RD about signings thread last week.........
"The more a proper Charlton man like JJ is involved, the happier I am, as long as his input is valued and listened to. For me, taking him, and his comments yesterday about how JJ will be a manager one day, is the softening up process beginning of moving JJ to a coaching role, or releasing him at the end of the season, I.e. KR has told him he doesn't figure long term, but will use him when needed and give him his opportunity to start a coaching career if wanted."
You've got to hand it to KR, he's recognised that JJ is important to the club and loved by the fans, therefore it seems that Nugent is moving on and Jacko will fill that role.
He needs to retire from playing anyway, bless him!
I think the emergence of the left footed Aribo means Jacko can play more as an impact sub . JJ's unique selling point is the sweet left foot which has been particularly impressive taking corners . Yesterday Joe's corner taking was one of the many impressive aspects of his performance .
I would have Johnnie on the bench every game. He proved against Fulham last year he could still have an attacking threat but also defensively he could be a good cool head to help see out a crucial lead.
Noticed on the video of KR press conference yesterday he mentioned the midfielders he has put did not mention Jacko, is that a sign Jacko is no longer consider an option or just a case of him saying midfielders who are fit?
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He could possibly play at LB - Powell played at that position to a good age and didn't rely on pace. JJ has the brains and experience but gets outpaced in midfield.
Despite being asked to play a handful of games as LB at Notts Co, and Parky signing him on loan to cover LB - Jacko has played all his career as a midfielder.
Once Parky signed Jacko permanently, he never played Jacko at LB.
Johnnie Jackson @johnnie_jackson 12h12 hours ago
Thank you for the messages.Very proud to have reached 250 appearances for Charlton,hoping there's still a couple more left!
"The more a proper Charlton man like JJ is involved, the happier I am, as long as his input is valued and listened to.
For me, taking him, and his comments yesterday about how JJ will be a manager one day, is the softening up process beginning of moving JJ to a coaching role, or releasing him at the end of the season, I.e. KR has told him he doesn't figure long term, but will use him when needed and give him his opportunity to start a coaching career if wanted."
He needs to retire from playing anyway, bless him!
It works for me
I would have Johnnie on the bench every game. He proved against Fulham last year he could still have an attacking threat but also defensively he could be a good cool head to help see out a crucial lead.
JJ is injured but about 5 years after people said he was passed it his playing career for Charlton is finally winding down.
Not over, mind. Just winding down.