I don't see him as management material for some reason. Too much of a player. A great captain but wanting to be out there and doing it....not sure what his role could be going forward.
I don't see him as management material for some reason. Too much of a player. A great captain but wanting to be out there and doing it....not sure what his role could be going forward.
Yeah I've never understood the clamor for him as manager. As a player, positionally, he can be quite poor at times (when playing in the center of the park). Down the road, possibly, as I know he is "a student of the game" but it's not like a Patrick Vieira where they end their career and you think "right, with your experience and reading of the game you'll be a natural coach.
I predicted we would lose 1-0 on CL preview and we would struggle to create a chance, and Lookman would get Double marked. The turning point was when Duffy (21) who was every where for United, went off injured with about 15 minutes to go. plus Botaka coming on for a late cameo and injected pace in the side for the first time since Holmes was injured.
I had a terrible feeling that JJ who like other have stated has been a great captain but to start him in front of Chicksen, who did great runs even if he did screw up the final pass on a couple of occasions was just a case of the old pals act and was a terrible decision who ever picked the team today.
I don't see him as management material for some reason. Too much of a player. A great captain but wanting to be out there and doing it....not sure what his role could be going forward.
Yeah I've never understood the clamor for him as manager. As a player, positionally, he can be quite poor at times (when playing in the center of the park). Down the road, possibly, as I know he is "a student of the game" but it's not like a Patrick Vieira where they end their career and you think "right, with your experience and reading of the game you'll be a natural coach.
I don't see him as management material for some reason. Too much of a player. A great captain but wanting to be out there and doing it....not sure what his role could be going forward.
Yeah I've never understood the clamor for him as manager. As a player, positionally, he can be quite poor at times (when playing in the center of the park). Down the road, possibly, as I know he is "a student of the game" but it's not like a Patrick Vieira where they end their career and you think "right, with your experience and reading of the game you'll be a natural coach.
...but he was so instrumental in our last league 1 campaign...I wish we could bottle his leadership and comittment and force feed it to all future players. As I said. A great captain and true leader. He would maybe make a good assistant coach.
Because of the general weakness of our squad, he's still getting asked to do the same job he was doing 4 years ago.
Still got quality, and still more than capable of grabbing a healthy number of goals. We are currently doing the equivalent of asking a mid to late thirties Ryan Giggs to run up and down the wing like he did when he was in his twenties.
Just because he can't do the same job he was doing when he was younger doesn't mean he can't contribute full stop.
Because of the general weakness of our squad, he's still getting asked to do the same job he was doing 4 years ago.
Still got quality, and still more than capable of grabbing a healthy number of goals. We are currently doing the equivalent of asking a mid to late thirties Ryan Giggs to run up and down the wing like he did when he was in his twenties.
Just because he can't do the same job he was doing when he was younger doesn't mean he can't contribute full stop.
Because of the general weakness of our squad, he's still getting asked to do the same job he was doing 4 years ago.
Still got quality, and still more than capable of grabbing a healthy number of goals. We are currently doing the equivalent of asking a mid to late thirties Ryan Giggs to run up and down the wing like he did when he was in his twenties.
Just because he can't do the same job he was doing when he was younger doesn't mean he can't contribute full stop.
It was very strange to bring him back today though, after Chicksen did a good job on Tuesday? I imagine Jacko himself would have been surprised that he got the nod today
With Chicksen AND Botaka on the bench today, it wasn't as if we were so short that he had to start.
He didn't have his best game today but I think people underestimate what he does that goes unseen and also, his legs haven't gone, stamina is different to legs having gone, he's still good for 65-70 minutes most of the time.
His challenge in the box 1st half when a cross came over and the Sheffield guy nodded the ball out harmlesly for a goal kick......... JJ put his body in the shape and position so that the player couldn't head it back across goal, thats experience and something I don't think any other player in our team can do or knows how to. His off the ball intelligence is probably one of the best at this level.
He provides excellent cover to Fox, it seems he doesn't challenge that often, but again watch what he does, his body shape he directs the player back inside not outside, if we had a Parker/Holland/Kinsella type alongside him it'd be a little more obvious and people would appreciate just how clever a player he is. Watch how many times a player come towards him only for them to pass backwards.
Likewise his wing attacking play, crofts and Ulvestad insist on playing it into his feet, he's never been pace, he needs it into space not into his feet. If they played to those strengths he'd be a top assist player.
With the right players alongside him (i.e. his standard) it'd seem very different.
He didn't have his best game today but I think people underestimate what he does that goes unseen and also, his legs haven't gone, stamina is different to legs having gone, he's still good for 65-70 minutes most of the time.
His challenge in the box 1st half when a cross came over and the Sheffield guy nodded the ball out harmlesly for a goal kick......... JJ put his body in the shape and position so that the player couldn't head it back across goal, thats experience and something I don't think any other player in our team can do or knows how to. His off the ball intelligence is probably one of the best at this level.
He provides excellent cover to Fox, it seems he doesn't challenge that often, but again watch what he does, his body shape he directs the player back inside not outside, if we had a Parker/Holland/Kinsella type alongside him it'd be a little more obvious and people would appreciate just how clever a player he is. Likewise his wing attacking play, crofts and Ulvestad insist on playing it into his feet, he's never been pace, he needs it into space not into his feet. If they played to those strengths he'd be a top assist player.
With the right players alongside him (i.e. his standard) it'd seem very different.
His times not up yet.
Not today. Fox was horribly exposed constantly facing 2 v 1 situations with the winger + right back doubling up on him. Jackson seen jogging back 15 yards behind or dragged into the middle.
He may have a future in a central midfield of 3, but not on the left side of midfield.
He didn't have his best game today but I think people underestimate what he does that goes unseen and also, his legs haven't gone, stamina is different to legs having gone, he's still good for 65-70 minutes most of the time.
His challenge in the box 1st half when a cross came over and the Sheffield guy nodded the ball out harmlesly for a goal kick......... JJ put his body in the shape and position so that the player couldn't head it back across goal, thats experience and something I don't think any other player in our team can do or knows how to. His off the ball intelligence is probably one of the best at this level.
He provides excellent cover to Fox, it seems he doesn't challenge that often, but again watch what he does, his body shape he directs the player back inside not outside, if we had a Parker/Holland/Kinsella type alongside him it'd be a little more obvious and people would appreciate just how clever a player he is. Likewise his wing attacking play, crofts and Ulvestad insist on playing it into his feet, he's never been pace, he needs it into space not into his feet. If they played to those strengths he'd be a top assist player.
With the right players alongside him (i.e. his standard) it'd seem very different.
His times not up yet.
Not today. Fox was horribly exposed constantly facing 2 v 1 situations with the winger + right back doubling up on him. Jackson seen jogging back 15 yards behind or dragged into the middle.
He may have a future in a central midfield of 3, but not on the left side of midfield.
I beg to differ, almost every time the ball came from the middle as the centre mids were too far off the pace of the game. How many times did they just run straight past Crofts and put the ball out to the wing?
He didn't have his best game today but I think people underestimate what he does that goes unseen and also, his legs haven't gone, stamina is different to legs having gone, he's still good for 65-70 minutes most of the time.
His challenge in the box 1st half when a cross came over and the Sheffield guy nodded the ball out harmlesly for a goal kick......... JJ put his body in the shape and position so that the player couldn't head it back across goal, thats experience and something I don't think any other player in our team can do or knows how to. His off the ball intelligence is probably one of the best at this level.
He provides excellent cover to Fox, it seems he doesn't challenge that often, but again watch what he does, his body shape he directs the player back inside not outside, if we had a Parker/Holland/Kinsella type alongside him it'd be a little more obvious and people would appreciate just how clever a player he is. Likewise his wing attacking play, crofts and Ulvestad insist on playing it into his feet, he's never been pace, he needs it into space not into his feet. If they played to those strengths he'd be a top assist player.
With the right players alongside him (i.e. his standard) it'd seem very different.
His times not up yet.
Not today. Fox was horribly exposed constantly facing 2 v 1 situations with the winger + right back doubling up on him. Jackson seen jogging back 15 yards behind or dragged into the middle.
He may have a future in a central midfield of 3, but not on the left side of midfield.
Agree - it was his lack of cover for Fox which was one of the biggest issues today.
Of course it's easy to just blame everything on the regime. But they keep going on about 'putting things right' and we've been short in midfield since the opening game and they haven't resolved this issue yet. Therefore we are relying on jacko far too much and In previous seasons he would of had better, quicker players in the with him or we could afford to leave him out every now and then.
Jackson should have been retired two years back. He now offers nothing and by continuing to,play he is diminishing his past good reputation. I feel when he was last given a new contract he was being used by the current administration to,appease the supporters who at that time held him in high regard. He is tarnishing his reputation by continuing to play. He is not even now worth a place on the bench.
Of course it's easy to just blame everything on the regime. But they keep going on about 'putting things right' and we've been short in midfield since the opening game and they haven't resolved this issue yet. Therefore we are relying on jacko far too much and In previous seasons he would of had better, quicker players in the with him or we could afford to leave him out every now and then.
Not excusing the regime, but with the transfer windows being so strict now, there is really little scope to rectify weaknesses in your team between windows. A year ago, we could have loaned someone in (like we did with Coquelin)
I have to agree with @BillG regarding JJ being given a new contract to appease the fans.
I don't for a second blame him for taking it and I would never expect him to give anything other than his all when called upon, I just feel that his all hasn't been enough for a couple of seasons now.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was offered a coaching role at some point but I hope he thinks long and hard before accepting it
The thing is, the longer recorded time goes on, the more chance this thread has of being right, and people can pat themselves on the back that they've finally pinpointed the moment our captain stopped being picked for the team. In reality though, what we probably should be focusing on is the fact this thread was started, hilariously, back in February 2014, and the man is still scoring goals for us as recently as 5th November 2016. For nearly three years people have been heralding Johnnie Jackson's demise and he just keeps on going. Eventually the day will come, as it does for all players, when he really can't turn out for Charlton anymore and has to retire. But in the meantime, I'd just like to take this opportunity to applaud Johnnie Jackson for continuing to play league football and score goals three years after his legs went, his engine broke down and his head fell off.
Nobody has ever doubted JJ's ability to find the back of the net and he has done this season on a few ocassions but this I feel is about as much as he's able to contribute but the problem is where do you play him? He can't play on the wing or in the middle anymore either. His time for me as a regular was up when we had Bulot/Buyens/Cousins/JBG in midfield and he's only still featuring because that whole midfield is no longer with us and we find ourselves in League One.
I think it's harsh to say he should retire now, he has a role as an impact sub when we need a goal but this also shouldn't be reason alone for a new contract either.
Still it's incredible when you consider he was originally signed to play left back!
The thing is, the longer recorded time goes on, the more chance this thread has of being right, and people can pat themselves on the back that they've finally pinpointed the moment our captain stopped being picked for the team. In reality though, what we probably should be focusing on is the fact this thread was started, hilariously, back in February 2014, and the man is still scoring goals for us as recently as 5th November 2016. For nearly three years people have been heralding Johnnie Jackson's demise and he just keeps on going. Eventually the day will come, as it does for all players, when he really can't turn out for Charlton anymore and has to retire. But in the meantime, I'd just like to take this opportunity to applaud Johnnie Jackson for continuing to play league football and score goals three years after his legs went, his engine broke down and his head fell off.
Absolutely, predicting him to be finished in Feb 2014 was ridiculous. But is it ridiculous to say the same in November 2016 ?
I can understand people being protective of Jackson but the truth is he is not worth his place in the starting eleven anymore.
The truth is Jackson hasn't been worth his place in the starting eleven for a couple of years. Leave him on the bench, he's good for 15 mins & could even grab you a goal.
I can understand people being protective of Jackson but the truth is he is not worth his place in the starting eleven anymore.
The truth is Jackson hasn't been worth his place in the starting eleven for a couple of years. Leave him on the bench, he's good for 15 mins & could even grab you a goal.
Does he get slower the more he is on the pitch? No. He was good before recent pressing tactics found out his lack of pace. He can't do a job for 5,10,15 minutes let alone 90. Good in his day, a talisman but now a busted flush. The fact he can't see it, diminishes him. Even Ali recognised it was time to go and called it a day.
The thing is, the longer recorded time goes on, the more chance this thread has of being right, and people can pat themselves on the back that they've finally pinpointed the moment our captain stopped being picked for the team. In reality though, what we probably should be focusing on is the fact this thread was started, hilariously, back in February 2014, and the man is still scoring goals for us as recently as 5th November 2016. For nearly three years people have been heralding Johnnie Jackson's demise and he just keeps on going. Eventually the day will come, as it does for all players, when he really can't turn out for Charlton anymore and has to retire. But in the meantime, I'd just like to take this opportunity to applaud Johnnie Jackson for continuing to play league football and score goals three years after his legs went, his engine broke down and his head fell off.
Absolutely, predicting him to be finished in Feb 2014 was ridiculous. But is it ridiculous to say the same in November 2016 ?
Not necessarily, but the point is that you can start that thread about Leo Messi now, and in five years time you might be right. There aren't other threads titled 'Andrew Crofts: Do you really think you're making the best use of all that oxygen?' or 'Kevin Foley In Midfield: A guide to the footballing apocalypse'. I hate this thread because it was set up at a point where it was obviously wrong, was repeatedly proven wrong (honestly, read through it from start to finish, it's a great read watching people pop up with 'nope, he's definitely finished this time' followed with 10 posts shouting 'GET IN JACKO LEGEND!!!!!!!!!') but gets resurrected every time he has a bad game until it can smugly be made accurate. I don't think anyone needs a 'told you so' thread for when their career finally ends
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The turning point was when Duffy (21) who was every where for United, went off injured with about 15 minutes to go. plus Botaka coming on for a late cameo and injected pace in the side for the first time since Holmes was injured.
I had a terrible feeling that JJ who like other have stated has been a great captain but to start him in front of Chicksen, who did great runs even if he did screw up the final pass on a couple of occasions was just a case of the old pals act and was a terrible decision who ever picked the team today.
Still got quality, and still more than capable of grabbing a healthy number of goals. We are currently doing the equivalent of asking a mid to late thirties Ryan Giggs to run up and down the wing like he did when he was in his twenties.
Just because he can't do the same job he was doing when he was younger doesn't mean he can't contribute full stop.
With Chicksen AND Botaka on the bench today, it wasn't as if we were so short that he had to start.
But what gets me is he scores one and people leap on here and start gloating..... But we need more than that once in a blue moon.
Was sad to see today.
His challenge in the box 1st half when a cross came over and the Sheffield guy nodded the ball out harmlesly for a goal kick......... JJ put his body in the shape and position so that the player couldn't head it back across goal, thats experience and something I don't think any other player in our team can do or knows how to. His off the ball intelligence is probably one of the best at this level.
He provides excellent cover to Fox, it seems he doesn't challenge that often, but again watch what he does, his body shape he directs the player back inside not outside, if we had a Parker/Holland/Kinsella type alongside him it'd be a little more obvious and people would appreciate just how clever a player he is. Watch how many times a player come towards him only for them to pass backwards.
Likewise his wing attacking play, crofts and Ulvestad insist on playing it into his feet, he's never been pace, he needs it into space not into his feet. If they played to those strengths he'd be a top assist player.
With the right players alongside him (i.e. his standard) it'd seem very different.
His times not up yet.
He may have a future in a central midfield of 3, but not on the left side of midfield.
We may as well have had 10 men in the first half.
But they keep going on about 'putting things right' and we've been short in midfield since the opening game and they haven't resolved this issue yet.
Therefore we are relying on jacko far too much and In previous seasons he would of had better, quicker players in the with him or we could afford to leave him out every now and then.
I don't for a second blame him for taking it and I would never expect him to give anything other than his all when called upon, I just feel that his all hasn't been enough for a couple of seasons now.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was offered a coaching role at some point but I hope he thinks long and hard before accepting it
The thing is, the longer recorded time goes on, the more chance this thread has of being right, and people can pat themselves on the back that they've finally pinpointed the moment our captain stopped being picked for the team. In reality though, what we probably should be focusing on is the fact this thread was started, hilariously, back in February 2014, and the man is still scoring goals for us as recently as 5th November 2016. For nearly three years people have been heralding Johnnie Jackson's demise and he just keeps on going. Eventually the day will come, as it does for all players, when he really can't turn out for Charlton anymore and has to retire. But in the meantime, I'd just like to take this opportunity to applaud Johnnie Jackson for continuing to play league football and score goals three years after his legs went, his engine broke down and his head fell off.
I think it's harsh to say he should retire now, he has a role as an impact sub when we need a goal but this also shouldn't be reason alone for a new contract either.
Still it's incredible when you consider he was originally signed to play left back!
Why don't we have threads like this for Andrew Crofts and Kevin Foley week in and week out?
Crofts should never have had a 'time' in the first place.
A potential manager but not a sub or starter.