When the temperature soars, things really heat up for our rail infrastructure – and it can’t cool down with a cheeky pint or an ice cream at the beach. Metal rails in direct sunshine can be as much as 20°C hotter than air temperature, and have been known to get as hot as 51°C! And because they’re made from steel – they expand when they heat up, so rails may buckle, and points can expand.
also 9.30am and we do not know what services are running tomorrow - helpful
steel expands at 0.6% at a 84 degree temperature rise
I'm scared now that the steel tracks will expand so much that they'll burst out into giant steel mega monsters who will go on a rampage across the South East destroying all commuter lines in their quest for domination. As they grow bigger, they will eat all of the trains in the Southeatern network, causing them to become gigantic steel mega monsters as the heat within the train carriages will cause them to become even bigger. The steel monsters will then focus their attentions on the signals in and around Lewisham, destroying them and everything in Lewisham before moving on to every toilet within the Southeastern train network although they will be unable to gain access with every single fucking one being locked/closed.
Can someone PM me when the heat wave is over so that I can venture back out again.
southern - may experience delays due to speed restrictions south western - no mass cancellation or delays expected
so south eastern must have chocolate tracks - they really are the pits.
the winter they cannot cope if the temp drops below 8 degrees the thing we are experiencing now is called SUMMER
Nothing to do with Chocolate tracks, just simple facts relating to temperatures. The South East could hit 35c plus tomorrow hence the warnings from Southern & South Eastern
Temps in the South West are showing 24c at best so no reason for any warnings.
Trains in the morning all look fine. Its getting home. Charing Cross to Bexleyheath have cancelled all their 24 past the hour trains, only running 1 an hour home at 54.
southern - may experience delays due to speed restrictions south western - no mass cancellation or delays expected
so south eastern must have chocolate tracks - they really are the pits.
the winter they cannot cope if the temp drops below 8 degrees the thing we are experiencing now is called SUMMER
Nothing to do with Chocolate tracks, just simple facts relating to temperatures. The South East could hit 35c plus tomorrow hence the warnings from Southern & South Eastern
Temps in the South West are showing 24c at best so no reason for any warnings.
do south western railway trains not go into waterloo?
southern - may experience delays due to speed restrictions south western - no mass cancellation or delays expected
so south eastern must have chocolate tracks - they really are the pits.
the winter they cannot cope if the temp drops below 8 degrees the thing we are experiencing now is called SUMMER
Nothing to do with Chocolate tracks, just simple facts relating to temperatures. The South East could hit 35c plus tomorrow hence the warnings from Southern & South Eastern
Temps in the South West are showing 24c at best so no reason for any warnings.
Stop making excuses for the lying turds at SETrains SWtrains run through Surrey & SW London suburbs. Temperature here's already 32 in the shade so track temperature presumably 50+ by southeastern's calculation, how many slow speeds or service reductions across SW's suburban services? Shockingly none whatsoever, nor any warnings (yet) that's likely even tomorrow. Cos conditions at Waterloo will be so different from Waterloo East won't they? Don't make me puke! southeastern has form as long as both arms for taking every single opportunity presented to scale services down to the bare minimum at the drop of a hat with not the faintest justification, so long as it won't (further) worsen their performance figures. If they've got a get out (hot/cold/strikes/aliens/leaves/militant hedgehogs) they just don't get the trains out. Case in point couple of winters back - cold snap, icy conditions over night, about 2 inches of snow during daylight, on a Wednesday or Thursday ran not even a skeleton service through peak hours, cos they had a get out under the contract; weather didn't improve into the weekend and bugger me there isn't a near enough normal Saturday/Sunday service through the hours of daylight - proving they lied about safety and staff availability, while making no sense why would they run at the weekend when they still didn't have to? Just to reinforce to the ministry how much they enjoy fisting it in the fundament, while being paid millions. They do it to mitigate their costs, pure and simple - although how much they really save is hard to figure - it's not like they lay off staff, the unions would never tolerate that - maybe they save a little bit of overtime but for damn sure every driver, guard and ticket seller who shows up on shift receives every penny they're due regardless if no trains go anywhere. southeastern are just as crooked as they're painted on here, management is just that bit brighter than DoT and the rail regulator and they are creaming off the public money while they have the chance
If rail temperatures reach 54 degrees, it basically cripples the network. I've just sat in a Network Rail meeting at Euston planning for tomorrow, it's not looking good!
This week we've already reached 52.
Due to the nature of Network Rail having to pay out delay minutes to Private TOC's if they can't provide a network its better to preempt the temperature rise and enforce speed limits early.
The last timetable change was such a monumental fuck up that there is now very little delay contingency managed in which is why when we have a little delay somewhere, it messes up the entire day. It's farcical.
This doesn't take away from South Eastern being charaltans, just putting some context there for you.
Ah so that's why country's with regular hot weather don't have train networks....Oh wait!
The difference is the extremes, those "hot countries" you refer to don't usually have winters that drop to negative temperatures. So it's more consistent.
Ah so that's why country's with regular hot weather don't have train networks....Oh wait!
The difference is the extremes, those "hot countries" you refer to don't usually have winters that drop to negative temperatures. So it's more consistent.
Our extremes aren't that bad. We certainly don't get that cold in reality. I was in Berlin a few years ago when they had an extreme weather warning for 45 degrees. Berlin is also colder and has more snow during the winter than Southern England. Funnily enough, their train system didn't go up the spout when it got very hot.
Ah so that's why country's with regular hot weather don't have train networks....Oh wait!
The difference is the extremes, those "hot countries" you refer to don't usually have winters that drop to negative temperatures. So it's more consistent.
New York, Moscow, Berlin. All regularly have greater fluctuations in temperatures than us. And there are many many more. I wonder if their rail operators give up trying to run a service the day before forecast snow, wind or hot weather like ours do.
Truth is we rarely have if "that cold" or "that hot".
Ah so that's why country's with regular hot weather don't have train networks....Oh wait!
The difference is the extremes, those "hot countries" you refer to don't usually have winters that drop to negative temperatures. So it's more consistent.
New York, Moscow, Berlin. All regularly have greater fluctuations in temperatures than us. And there are many many more. I wonder if their rail operators give up trying to run a service the day before forecast snow, wind or hot weather like ours do.
Truth is we rarely have if "that cold" or "that hot".
Indeed,
I was just looking up a few! Half of Europe have hotter summers and colder
winters. Warsaw, Budapest, Prague, Frankfurt, Vienna & Zurich all have
hotter Julys and Augusts. It doesn't hold as an excuse here.
If rail temperatures reach 54 degrees, it basically cripples the network. I've just sat in a Network Rail meeting at Euston planning for tomorrow, it's not looking good!
This week we've already reached 52.
Due to the nature of Network Rail having to pay out delay minutes to Private TOC's if they can't provide a network its better to preempt the temperature rise and enforce speed limits early.
The last timetable change was such a monumental fuck up that there is now very little delay contingency managed in which is why when we have a little delay somewhere, it messes up the entire day. It's farcical.
This doesn't take away from South Eastern being charaltans, just putting some context there for you.
So are the few working trains tomorrow still going to be fucked?
It feels like caving in to the bastards but I've just booked the day off. Cramming into one of their cattle trucks is bad enough in normal circumstances but in such extreme temperatures and with half the trains not even running it would not surprise me if people actually die on the train tomorrow. Fuck that!
if delaying and cancelling trains wasn't such a regular occurrence people wouldn't be as pissed but we are constantly fucked around no matter what the weather it is something you then have there long winded delay repay scheme to claim pittance.
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When the temperature soars, things really heat up for our rail infrastructure – and it can’t cool down with a cheeky pint or an ice cream at the beach. Metal rails in direct sunshine can be as much as 20°C hotter than air temperature, and have been known to get as hot as 51°C! And because they’re made from steel – they expand when they heat up, so rails may buckle, and points can expand.
also 9.30am and we do not know what services are running tomorrow - helpful
steel expands at 0.6% at a 84 degree temperature rise
I'm scared now that the steel tracks will expand so much that they'll burst out into giant steel mega monsters who will go on a rampage across the South East destroying all commuter lines in their quest for domination. As they grow bigger, they will eat all of the trains in the Southeatern network, causing them to become gigantic steel mega monsters as the heat within the train carriages will cause them to become even bigger. The steel monsters will then focus their attentions on the signals in and around Lewisham, destroying them and everything in Lewisham before moving on to every toilet within the Southeastern train network although they will be unable to gain access with every single fucking one being locked/closed.
Can someone PM me when the heat wave is over so that I can venture back out again.
Its pathetic.
It's absolutely diabolical that they're allowed to get away with this.
We advise you not to travel is unacceptable.
The excuse that people can work from home is a complete cop out.
My niece is a pediatric nurse at Guys. How the f*** is she supposed to work from home FFS?
Temps in the South West are showing 24c at best so no reason for any warnings.
Cant the patients get to her for example?
No doubt thats what the decision makers at SouthEastern would say
SWtrains run through Surrey & SW London suburbs. Temperature here's already 32 in the shade so track temperature presumably 50+ by southeastern's calculation, how many slow speeds or service reductions across SW's suburban services?
Shockingly none whatsoever, nor any warnings (yet) that's likely even tomorrow. Cos conditions at Waterloo will be so different from Waterloo East won't they? Don't make me puke!
southeastern has form as long as both arms for taking every single opportunity presented to scale services down to the bare minimum at the drop of a hat with not the faintest justification, so long as it won't (further) worsen their performance figures. If they've got a get out (hot/cold/strikes/aliens/leaves/militant hedgehogs) they just don't get the trains out.
Case in point couple of winters back - cold snap, icy conditions over night, about 2 inches of snow during daylight, on a Wednesday or Thursday ran not even a skeleton service through peak hours, cos they had a get out under the contract; weather didn't improve into the weekend and bugger me there isn't a near enough normal Saturday/Sunday service through the hours of daylight - proving they lied about safety and staff availability, while making no sense why would they run at the weekend when they still didn't have to? Just to reinforce to the ministry how much they enjoy fisting it in the fundament, while being paid millions.
They do it to mitigate their costs, pure and simple - although how much they really save is hard to figure - it's not like they lay off staff, the unions would never tolerate that - maybe they save a little bit of overtime but for damn sure every driver, guard and ticket seller who shows up on shift receives every penny they're due regardless if no trains go anywhere.
southeastern are just as crooked as they're painted on here, management is just that bit brighter than DoT and the rail regulator and they are creaming off the public money while they have the chance
This week we've already reached 52.
Due to the nature of Network Rail having to pay out delay minutes to Private TOC's if they can't provide a network its better to preempt the temperature rise and enforce speed limits early.
The last timetable change was such a monumental fuck up that there is now very little delay contingency managed in which is why when we have a little delay somewhere, it messes up the entire day. It's farcical.
This doesn't take away from South Eastern being charaltans, just putting some context there for you.
Truth is we rarely have if "that cold" or "that hot".
Indeed, I was just looking up a few! Half of Europe have hotter summers and colder winters. Warsaw, Budapest, Prague, Frankfurt, Vienna & Zurich all have hotter Julys and Augusts. It doesn't hold as an excuse here.