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Southeastern train disruption (franchise to be taken over by Govt p191)
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Government expected to announce the end of return train tickets this week meaning you can only get a single ticket for all journeys.2 singles will apparently cost the same as a return.
I will believe it when I see it regarding no price increase, paper tickets also to be phased out.0 -
Just checked Southeastern for Saturday, London Bridge to Charlton.
Single ticket is £5 each way, a return is £8.50.
As you say just another way of bringing in higher fares.
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What a government can do when it actually owns its own infrastructure! 🤷🏻♂️guinnessaddick said:2 -
I guess strictly speaking the infrastructure is owned by the government as In Network Rail. But I get your point.TelMc32 said:
What a government can do when it actually owns its own infrastructure! 🤷🏻♂️guinnessaddick said:1 -
Travelling to London later. Track problems between Headcorn and Ashford mean that every other train is cancelled for the rest of the day and some rush hour services are being sent via Maidstone.0
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Broken door mechanism turned a 34 min journey into a 90 min one late last night. Absolute shitshow0
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They’ll end up employing more enforcement officers, knowing they’ll be more bunking going on. Then target them on bringing in the recently increased £100 fines.iaitch said:Just checked Southeastern for Saturday, London Bridge to Charlton.
Single ticket is £5 each way, a return is £8.50.
As you say just another way of bringing in higher fares.2 -
How will that work....getting rid of paperless tickets, not everyone owns a smart phone, maybe an Oyster style system?sholland said:Government expected to announce the end of return train tickets this week meaning you can only get a single ticket for all journeys.2 singles will apparently cost the same as a return.
I will believe it when I see it regarding no price increase, paper tickets also to be phased out.0 -
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Round our way the barriers have barcode readers and you can get a ticket as a QR code either on a phone or on paper. I think what they mean is getting rid of magnetic strip card ticketsHastingsRed said:
How will that work....getting rid of paperless tickets, not everyone owns a smart phone, maybe an Oyster style system?sholland said:Government expected to announce the end of return train tickets this week meaning you can only get a single ticket for all journeys.2 singles will apparently cost the same as a return.
I will believe it when I see it regarding no price increase, paper tickets also to be phased out.1 -
An annual ticket in Vienna giving unlimited travel on trains, buses, the underground and trams within the city borders costs Euros 365. Euros 235 if you are retired. The distance from London Bridge to Charlton would still be within the city borders, so it would cost you 1 Euro or 65 cents.iaitch said:Just checked Southeastern for Saturday, London Bridge to Charlton.
Single ticket is £5 each way, a return is £8.50.
As you say just another way of bringing in higher fares.
You are being ripped off, but I'm sure I don't need to tell you that!6 -
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Southeastern have their own smart card. Bank cards will also be available for contactlessHastingsRed said:
How will that work....getting rid of paperless tickets, not everyone owns a smart phone, maybe an Oyster style system?sholland said:Government expected to announce the end of return train tickets this week meaning you can only get a single ticket for all journeys.2 singles will apparently cost the same as a return.
I will believe it when I see it regarding no price increase, paper tickets also to be phased out.
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There are no targets when it comes to penalty fares. Each case is judged on its own merit and Revenue Officers have full discretion on whether to issue a PF or not.WSS said:
They’ll end up employing more enforcement officers, knowing they’ll be more bunking going on. Then target them on bringing in the recently increased £100 fines.iaitch said:Just checked Southeastern for Saturday, London Bridge to Charlton.
Single ticket is £5 each way, a return is £8.50.
As you say just another way of bringing in higher fares.1 -
Went to Victoria yesterday around 10.30, never seen so many staff at the ticket barriers.WSS said:
They’ll end up employing more enforcement officers, knowing they’ll be more bunking going on. Then target them on bringing in the recently increased £100 fines.iaitch said:Just checked Southeastern for Saturday, London Bridge to Charlton.
Single ticket is £5 each way, a return is £8.50.
As you say just another way of bringing in higher fares.0 -
Duncan270566 said:
There are no targets when it comes to penalty fares. Each case is judged on its own merit and Revenue Officers have full discretion on whether to issue a PF or not.WSS said:
They’ll end up employing more enforcement officers, knowing they’ll be more bunking going on. Then target them on bringing in the recently increased £100 fines.iaitch said:Just checked Southeastern for Saturday, London Bridge to Charlton.
Single ticket is £5 each way, a return is £8.50.
As you say just another way of bringing in higher fares.
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Thankfully don’t use them that often but every day I have for the last month or so, there’s been problems. Delays, trains cancelled at short notice etc. Just got to Lewisham and no Sidcup line trains due to signalling issues. Useless tossers2
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FFS Last night was a joke, surely not again tonight.0
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Track and signals are the responsibility of Network Rail. Southeastern only run the trains.0
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glad I left glad I left the office at 2.30 today then0
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Nothing to do with Southeastern. The 'useless tossers' run the trains and staff stations. Signals, track, points, power, in fact, everything else is controlled by Network Rail.DaveMehmet said:Thankfully don’t use them that often but every day I have for the last month or so, there’s been problems. Delays, trains cancelled at short notice etc. Just got to Lewisham and no Sidcup line trains due to signalling issues. Useless tossers0 -
Network Rail also manage and provide staff at major stations including London Bridge, Charing Cross, Cannon Street and Victoria.Duncan270566 said:
Nothing to do with Southeastern. The 'useless tossers' run the trains and staff stations. Signals, track, points, power, in fact, everything else is controlled by Network Rail.DaveMehmet said:Thankfully don’t use them that often but every day I have for the last month or so, there’s been problems. Delays, trains cancelled at short notice etc. Just got to Lewisham and no Sidcup line trains due to signalling issues. Useless tossers0 -
I get fed up when this bullshit gets trotted out again and again.Duncan270566 said:
Nothing to do with Southeastern. The 'useless tossers' run the trains and staff stations. Signals, track, points, power, in fact, everything else is controlled by Network Rail.DaveMehmet said:Thankfully don’t use them that often but every day I have for the last month or so, there’s been problems. Delays, trains cancelled at short notice etc. Just got to Lewisham and no Sidcup line trains due to signalling issues. Useless tossers
If you bought a car and the engine kept conking out would you moan to the garage you bought the car from or say, "it's nothing to do with the garage" and wait for the engine manufacturer to do the right thing?6 -
Using your logic, you buy a car from a garage (Southeastern) but it doesn't work because 'parts' from the manufacturer (Network Rail) cannot be supplied to the garage immediately. Rather than moan, what alternative is available that you would suggest?Off_it said:
I get fed up when this bullshit gets trotted out again and again.Duncan270566 said:
Nothing to do with Southeastern. The 'useless tossers' run the trains and staff stations. Signals, track, points, power, in fact, everything else is controlled by Network Rail.DaveMehmet said:Thankfully don’t use them that often but every day I have for the last month or so, there’s been problems. Delays, trains cancelled at short notice etc. Just got to Lewisham and no Sidcup line trains due to signalling issues. Useless tossers
If you bought a car and the engine kept conking out would you moan to the garage you bought the car from or say, "it's nothing to do with the garage" and wait for the engine manufacturer to do the right thing?0 -
So glad I don't have to use them anymore on a daily basis. Then again, the roads aren't much fun these days either.2
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You buy a car and it goes wrong - you take it back to the garage.Bromley Graham said:
Using your logic, you buy a car from a garage (Southeastern) but it doesn't work because 'parts' from the manufacturer (Network Rail) cannot be supplied to the garage immediately. Rather than moan, what alternative is available that you would suggest?Off_it said:
I get fed up when this bullshit gets trotted out again and again.Duncan270566 said:
Nothing to do with Southeastern. The 'useless tossers' run the trains and staff stations. Signals, track, points, power, in fact, everything else is controlled by Network Rail.DaveMehmet said:Thankfully don’t use them that often but every day I have for the last month or so, there’s been problems. Delays, trains cancelled at short notice etc. Just got to Lewisham and no Sidcup line trains due to signalling issues. Useless tossers
If you bought a car and the engine kept conking out would you moan to the garage you bought the car from or say, "it's nothing to do with the garage" and wait for the engine manufacturer to do the right thing?
You buy a pair of shoes and they fall to pieces after a week - you take them back to the shop. You don't jump on the plane to China to go and remonstrate with the lady in the sweat shop that didn't put them together properly.
You go to a restaurant and have a lousy meal - you complain to the restaurant. You don't burst into the kitchen and start shouting at the sea bass because it tastes like it should have gone in the bin a week ago.
You buy a ticket to travel on South Eastern (for a vast amount of money) and the train doesn't turn up and/or is a complete pile of shit in some other way - you complain to SouthEastern. Because your contract is with SouthEastern. They took your money, their responsibility.
As for available alternatives, I would suggest sending everyone from the Department for Transport to Japan (by plane, not by train - they'd be lucky to make it to London Bridge).
They could read the following article......
....... and then have a conversation along the lines of "please can you tell us how you do this, because we're too pig-ignorant and incompetent to figure it out ourselves.
Or, if that's too ambitious, send them to a country where the train service is a bit shit. "Please can you tell us how you provide this slightly shitty service, as we are really keen to try and drag ourselves up to that level."
I'm the meantime, it would help just a tiny bit if South Eastern didn't waste their time on this puerile bullshit.
Save the "funny" stuff for when you've actually managed to not ruin everyone's day.24 -
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I think Mr Largo has answered that question for me!Bromley Graham said:
Using your logic, you buy a car from a garage (Southeastern) but it doesn't work because 'parts' from the manufacturer (Network Rail) cannot be supplied to the garage immediately. Rather than moan, what alternative is available that you would suggest?Off_it said:
I get fed up when this bullshit gets trotted out again and again.Duncan270566 said:
Nothing to do with Southeastern. The 'useless tossers' run the trains and staff stations. Signals, track, points, power, in fact, everything else is controlled by Network Rail.DaveMehmet said:Thankfully don’t use them that often but every day I have for the last month or so, there’s been problems. Delays, trains cancelled at short notice etc. Just got to Lewisham and no Sidcup line trains due to signalling issues. Useless tossers
If you bought a car and the engine kept conking out would you moan to the garage you bought the car from or say, "it's nothing to do with the garage" and wait for the engine manufacturer to do the right thing?1
