England could not even beat 10 man Honduras - the weakest side in the WC, we are just average that did well to qualify.
How Rooney can command a wage of 300k a week is a utter disgrace when you have players from Chile and Columbia earning a fraction of what he is on.
Personally I think Roy had fucked up with stuff like Ashley Cole etc, I also think Gerrard has past it and should never play for us again.
But the main thing we need is fundamental changes and I don't mean a 'B' team solution that weirdo Dyke seems to think might be the answer to all our woes.
Same old England. Many of the players are built up by the TV/media before the tournament and then they don't perform. When it comes to the World Cup/European Championship the players are just not good enough. For me the defence has been the main problem. When Jagielka is your second best centre back there's going to be trouble. The FA needs to look at English football from grass roots level up but they also need to get a grip with the Premiership. There should be at least 4 English players on the pitch in every Premier League game, otherwise you may as well pick from the Championship. Once you get past the best 15 in the England squad there's very little to choose from, and there's very few decent defenders.
Really, Absurdistan, have you never been to S America or Africa and seen kids playing football on wasteground, street corners and beaches? I might lean the same way as you politically, but think a bigger problem is too many kids here playing foorball manager instead of the real thing...
You do have a point. The trick is to play the law of averages- so you create the conditions that produces more world class players. From an early age - vision and ball control should be all that matters, but we want our 7 year olds to win things so we encourage them not to take risks so they don't try things and become better players so we have less great players develop. They all don't develop into great players but more would if we coached youngsters well.
I have seen a lot of grass roots football and the issues are very clear. Great players will come out of our sysem but we need it to happen in greater numbers and the FA is more interested in itself and keeping the big clubs happy than making it happen. It will be difficult and expensive - difficult because you have to get rid of the dinosaurs and expensive because you need to replace them with more new coaches.
England could not even beat 10 man Honduras - the weakest side in the WC, we are just average that did well to qualify.
How Rooney can command a wage of 300k a week is a utter disgrace when you have players from Chile and Columbia earning a fraction of what he is on.
Personally I think Roy had fucked up with stuff like Ashley Cole etc, I also think Gerrard has past it and should never play for us again.
But the main thing we need is fundamental changes and I don't mean a 'B' team solution that weirdo Dyke seems to think might be the answer to all our woes.
Blimey. A post without you mentioning The Wendies and i agree with it to boot. Something good has happened tonight.
England could not even beat 10 man Honduras - the weakest side in the WC, we are just average that did well to qualify.
How Rooney can command a wage of 300k a week is a utter disgrace when you have players from Chile and Columbia earning a fraction of what he is on.
Personally I think Roy had fucked up with stuff like Ashley Cole etc, I also think Gerrard has past it and should never play for us again.
But the main thing we need is fundamental changes and I don't mean a 'B' team solution that weirdo Dyke seems to think might be the answer to all our woes.
Blimey. A post without you mentioning The Wendies and i agree with it to boot. Something good has happened tonight.
I was going to add that I can't wait for the new season to start when we start to splash the cash and march up the league spreading fear to everyone.
Same old England. Many of the players are built up by the TV/media before the tournament and then they don't perform. When it comes to the World Cup/European Championship the players are just not good enough. For me the defence has been the main problem. When Jagielka is your second best centre back there's going to be trouble. The FA needs to look at English football from grass roots level up but they also need to get a grip with the Premiership. There should be at least 4 English players on the pitch in every Premier League game, otherwise you may as well pick from the Championship. Once you get past the best 15 in the England squad there's very little to choose from, and there's very few decent defenders.
Really? First tournament I can remember where the media has not "built up " any players.
England have played much better these 2 games than any I can remember for ages, but they are not winners yet. Bit like when RD took over at CAFC and Powelly got the boys to play on the floor against Brum last season. Result? Much better football, but lost 2-0.
Play a settled team between now and 2016 then maybe it could happen.
Italy will beat Costa Rica, but no way they will beat Uruguay when they have already qualified. We are out and just as well as we don't deserve to be in!
Defensively we are shit , how Ashley Cole isn't there I'll never know
Both Uruguay and Italy were there for the taking
The ref proper bottled the second yellow for that Uruguayan , unlike the ref who has just sent off the Greek captain
Along the lines of what Absurdistan said , I feel , Suarez apart , that we had the better players but they just had more hunger and desire in them , raw passion as if they'd kill themselves to win the match . The fella who got bumped on the head and looked out cold for a bit was gonna have to be tranquillised if they wanted to sub him off, they fought tooth and nail for every little scrap and just wanted it more
1 - Coming out of a disappointing previous World Cup, there are low expectations
2 - we convince ourselves that the next generation of players will be the next golden generation
3 - we get excited about the premier league and argue that it is the best league in the world, forgetting it is actually the second best league in the world and only because of the foreign players
4 - we hire a new manager who we swear will get the tactics and formation right for our world class players
5 - we perform ok in qualifying in an easy group and we demolish some no name country in a friendly leading up to the cup. Our expectations are at an all time unrealistic level.
6 we perform poorly in the cup. Rinse. Repeat.
The problem is that we no longer have the talent to be anything other than the 16th ranked team in the world. We convince ourselves we have world class players but do not have any.
You forgot to add people in offices,pubs,football forums bleating on about how too many foreigners are blighting the English game.How the FA need to tear up the rule book and force English based players to play top level football. Kids need to play on smaller pitches with smaller goals and smaller balls. We need to follow the SpanishFrench whoever's having a good tournament blueprint.
All correct of course. But the greedy short term thinkers who run the game these days wouldn't touch it in a million years. The cash cow that is the Premier league is making them far too much money.They even arrange for the mediocre, like Rooney, to get paid £3000000000 a week and be on flash football boot adverts,computer games,cornflake packets with the likes of Naymar and Ronaldo to lull us into thinking that they have helped create someone that is actually in their league!
You need to take a punt on somebody. Say it is Glenn Hoddle for instance. Then you give him power and money to change the game at grass roots level. He does this having worked out what he wants to see from British football - this doesn't mean copying countries, but finding a new style. But any successful style will need players who are comfortable on the ball and have good football brains. Yes - you train that early and you must have proportional pitches - I would also stop this fixation with big kids and if you have a 6ft 12 year old who is built like a brick proverbial house he plays with other 6ft brick proverbial houses.
What you have to do is is not give short cuts to winning at youth level that is more effective than developing technique and quality. But honestly, most youth coaches hate playing on proportional pitches and have a fixation with big strong youngsters. The good thing is - this makes it easier to spot the ones you need to kick out the game.
Acadamies is also an issue. too much trawling goes on and if I was in charge - I'd ban them until kids reach 15. In the meantime, let the FA coach them with all the newly trained coaches it needs to employ. Developing how Glenn Hoddle or whoever wants them too. Then you hope Hoddle is right of course!
Henderson has not been our best player in either game. Bloody hell. Is he the player that's going to get the ball forward for us and get us back into this game? Gerrard has been awful at this World Cup and not a single one of the back four is good enough to play at the top level of international football. Wilshere, Barkley and Lallana should all be in that team.
just reading through the thread but THIS is it imo!!
Cahill - jagielka partenership has been a disaster for you guys. And no clear tactical plan from hodgon... so indicidual talent needed. but he leaves the individual talent like the three players me,tioned above on the bench, just to have what? to have wellbeck and rooney in the team who had a really lousy season...
henderson and gerrard and rooney as AM- awful choice. italian and uruguayan midfield had no problem with them at all. unbelievable ...
I took my son out of a premier league academy - I could see that they weren't developing him and would end up rejecting him at some point. They were trawling. Read the book Every Boys Dream if you want a great insight. He now gets far better specialised training in his current set up the University of Herts development centre and a Sunday team. But he also understands that football is less important than his education - most - even those with the best training - won't make it.
But if boys get the right coaching - the more that get it - the more top players will emerge! Winning for a 7 year old is so unimportant, it is ridiculous!
I don't think Rooney has had a bad tournament, but I think we'd perform better as a team with him on the bench. The reluctance to drop him is what pisses me off.
You can become a manager but to do so you have abide by everything in this manual.
Don't get me wrong, ive done them, enjoyed them and watch the football better for it, but In order to pass I had to contradict a lot of what I believe in in football.
All new managers have to pass their Lev B Lev A, Managers course
They are all taught the same thing, it cant be right surely!!!!!!!
Football could learn a lot from statistical analysis - Charles Hughes put a lot of people off - but he was a visonary - the problem was that he used British players for his analysis so his findings were correct but could not work against more gifted teams whose skills were not analysed by him. But what we should do is a massive analysis of the best teams in the world and develop a system from this. IMO it is worth a try.
For all the discussion that we should have played the younger players, I can't wait for next World Cup when Sturridge, Barkley, Sterling, Ox, Jones, Shaw and Smalling are all starting and are all disappointingly poor too. God I am depressed.....and a little drunk
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How Rooney can command a wage of 300k a week is a utter disgrace when you have players from Chile and Columbia earning a fraction of what he is on.
Personally I think Roy had fucked up with stuff like Ashley Cole etc, I also think Gerrard has past it and should never play for us again.
But the main thing we need is fundamental changes and I don't mean a 'B' team solution that weirdo Dyke seems to think might be the answer to all our woes.
What are you on pal
I have seen a lot of grass roots football and the issues are very clear. Great players will come out of our sysem but we need it to happen in greater numbers and the FA is more interested in itself and keeping the big clubs happy than making it happen. It will be difficult and expensive - difficult because you have to get rid of the dinosaurs and expensive because you need to replace them with more new coaches.
Honest
You'd hope we'd win that contest.
England have played much better these 2 games than any I can remember for ages, but they are not winners yet. Bit like when RD took over at CAFC and Powelly got the boys to play on the floor against Brum last season. Result? Much better football, but lost 2-0.
Play a settled team between now and 2016 then maybe it could happen.
Both Uruguay and Italy were there for the taking
The ref proper bottled the second yellow for that Uruguayan , unlike the ref who has just sent off the Greek captain
Along the lines of what Absurdistan said , I feel , Suarez apart , that we had the better players but they just had more hunger and desire in them , raw passion as if they'd kill themselves to win the match . The fella who got bumped on the head and looked out cold for a bit was gonna have to be tranquillised if they wanted to sub him off, they fought tooth and nail for every little scrap and just wanted it more
Sorry for the cliches but it's a funny old game
SpanishFrenchwhoever's having a good tournament blueprint.All correct of course. But the greedy short term thinkers who run the game these days wouldn't touch it in a million years. The cash cow that is the Premier league is making them far too much money.They even arrange for the mediocre, like Rooney, to get paid £3000000000 a week and be on flash football boot adverts,computer games,cornflake packets with the likes of Naymar and Ronaldo to lull us into thinking that they have helped create someone that is actually in their league!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02191f7
What you have to do is is not give short cuts to winning at youth level that is more effective than developing technique and quality. But honestly, most youth coaches hate playing on proportional pitches and have a fixation with big strong youngsters. The good thing is - this makes it easier to spot the ones you need to kick out the game.
Acadamies is also an issue. too much trawling goes on and if I was in charge - I'd ban them until kids reach 15. In the meantime, let the FA coach them with all the newly trained coaches it needs to employ. Developing how Glenn Hoddle or whoever wants them too. Then you hope Hoddle is right of course!
Cahill - jagielka partenership has been a disaster for you guys. And no clear tactical plan from hodgon... so indicidual talent needed. but he leaves the individual talent like the three players me,tioned above on the bench, just to have what? to have wellbeck and rooney in the team who had a really lousy season...
henderson and gerrard and rooney as AM- awful choice. italian and uruguayan midfield had no problem with them at all. unbelievable ...
But if boys get the right coaching - the more that get it - the more top players will emerge! Winning for a 7 year old is so unimportant, it is ridiculous!
You can become a manager but to do so you have abide by everything in this manual.
Don't get me wrong, ive done them, enjoyed them and watch the football better for it, but In order to pass I had to contradict a lot of what I believe in in football.
All new managers have to pass their Lev B Lev A, Managers course
They are all taught the same thing, it cant be right surely!!!!!!!
But the Big clubs don't care enough.