I know, I was just making the point that I feel for Chris Powell that his good mate Malky was actually a racist sh*t who didn't even have the brains to keep his poisonous opinions to himself.
clutching at straws but it couldve just been moody sending those text messages. Then again there would be guilt through affiliation for mackay.
The papers say which one of them sent what. They're in as much trouble as each other.
Vincent Tan changed Cardiff's colours which is obviously a bad thing. He also gave loads of money and got them success. It has been easy for many to paint Vincent Tan as some kind of Bond Villain but it looks as if the bloke is actually quite an impressive person and has had to handle a tricky situation. When Mackay left Cardiff, lots of people were quick to line up the goodies and the baddies, but subsequent events are going a long way towards vindicating Vincent Tan.
This^^
It's actually looking like Tan acted in a very decent way towards MM, maybe too decent in fact considering what he'd been up to, by coming up with the over-spending excuse for sacking him rather than the real reasons that are coming to light now.
Not so sure that Tan is the hero here either.
He went after MM and Moody, took a legal case about transfer dealings while at Cardiff which gave him access to documents and computers and while doing that unearthed these emails. Quite rightly he reported that to the FA but there is no suggestion that he knew about these emails or that these two held those views when he sacked them.
If he did know about them at the time then he could and should have said so at the time of MM being sacked. The fact that they were found in a search afterwards suggests he didn't know but we don't know the exact timescales.
IMHO he was trying to get the pair for dodgy transfer dealings ie paying too much or taking bungs but the sweep turned up something different but also damaging.
According to SSN the dossier was given to the FA last week.
Perhaps that was to scuttle MM's prospects at Palace and at the same time unseat Moody but Palace and Cardiff aren't exactly best friends in any case after the "leaked" team line up.
But it could just be a coincidence.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
"We've got to try and make sure we live our lives correctly and stand up to certain incidents when they happen and make sure they get dealt with straight away." (Chris Powell, speaking on racism in 2011)
He's presumably right behind Tan on this one then.
except tan waited til mackay was going to get another job to leak these texts (presuming for a moment tan was the one that leaked them) and submit the dossier. He didn't deal with it straight away.
The dossier hasn't just been submitted I don't think, it was sent by a law firm after they found the texts and emails during a search of Mackays' home as part of their legal case earlier this year.
"We've got to try and make sure we live our lives correctly and stand up to certain incidents when they happen and make sure they get dealt with straight away." (Chris Powell, speaking on racism in 2011)
He's presumably right behind Tan on this one then.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
"We've got to try and make sure we live our lives correctly and stand up to certain incidents when they happen and make sure they get dealt with straight away." (Chris Powell, speaking on racism in 2011)
He's presumably right behind Tan on this one then.
except tan waited til mackay was going to get another job to leak these texts (presuming for a moment tan was the one that leaked them) and submit the dossier. He didn't deal with it straight away.
His lawyers, Mischon de Reya, have been collecting the evidence, in the process getting authority to search both Mackay and Moody's homes and Moody's office at Palace. This takes time. Maybe Tan submitting a dossier to the FA wa timed, maybe it was coincidence, but does it matter? The Mail story probably was timed as all good scandals are to get maximum attention.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
I know, I was just making the point that I feel for Chris Powell that his good mate Malky was actually a racist sh*t who didn't even have the brains to keep his poisonous opinions to himself.
clutching at straws but it couldve just been moody sending those text messages. Then again there would be guilt through affiliation for mackay.
I thought they were texting each other in which case Mackay was definately involved.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
I know, I was just making the point that I feel for Chris Powell that his good mate Malky was actually a racist sh*t who didn't even have the brains to keep his poisonous opinions to himself.
clutching at straws but it couldve just been moody sending those text messages. Then again there would be guilt through affiliation for mackay.
I thought they were texting each other in which case Mackay was definately involved.
I suppose Moody may have stolen his mate's phone, sent himself texts, and then slipped the phone back into MM's pocket. The defence rests its case, m'lud. :-)
Vincent Tan changed Cardiff's colours which is obviously a bad thing. He also gave loads of money and got them success. It has been easy for many to paint Vincent Tan as some kind of Bond Villain but it looks as if the bloke is actually quite an impressive person and has had to handle a tricky situation. When Mackay left Cardiff, lots of people were quick to line up the goodies and the baddies, but subsequent events are going a long way towards vindicating Vincent Tan.
This^^
It's actually looking like Tan acted in a very decent way towards MM, maybe too decent in fact considering what he'd been up to, by coming up with the over-spending excuse for sacking him rather than the real reasons that are coming to light now.
Not so sure that Tan is the hero here either.
He went after MM and Moody, took a legal case about transfer dealings while at Cardiff which gave him access to documents and computers and while doing that unearthed these emails. Quite rightly he reported that to the FA but there is no suggestion that he knew about these emails or that these two held those views when he sacked them.
If he did know about them at the time then he could and should have said so at the time of MM being sacked. The fact that they were found in a search afterwards suggests he didn't know but we don't know the exact timescales.
IMHO he was trying to get the pair for dodgy transfer dealings ie paying too much or taking bungs but the sweep turned up something different but also damaging.
According to SSN the dossier was given to the FA last week.
Perhaps that was to scuttle MM's prospects at Palace and at the same time unseat Moody but Palace and Cardiff aren't exactly best friends in any case after the "leaked" team line up.
But it could just be a coincidence.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
It could be worse than that. A group of your teams supporters could be arrested and convicted of singing songs celebrating the death of Steven Lawrence.
Vincent Tan changed Cardiff's colours which is obviously a bad thing. He also gave loads of money and got them success. It has been easy for many to paint Vincent Tan as some kind of Bond Villain but it looks as if the bloke is actually quite an impressive person and has had to handle a tricky situation. When Mackay left Cardiff, lots of people were quick to line up the goodies and the baddies, but subsequent events are going a long way towards vindicating Vincent Tan.
This^^
It's actually looking like Tan acted in a very decent way towards MM, maybe too decent in fact considering what he'd been up to, by coming up with the over-spending excuse for sacking him rather than the real reasons that are coming to light now.
Not so sure that Tan is the hero here either.
He went after MM and Moody, took a legal case about transfer dealings while at Cardiff which gave him access to documents and computers and while doing that unearthed these emails. Quite rightly he reported that to the FA but there is no suggestion that he knew about these emails or that these two held those views when he sacked them.
If he did know about them at the time then he could and should have said so at the time of MM being sacked. The fact that they were found in a search afterwards suggests he didn't know but we don't know the exact timescales.
IMHO he was trying to get the pair for dodgy transfer dealings ie paying too much or taking bungs but the sweep turned up something different but also damaging.
According to SSN the dossier was given to the FA last week.
Perhaps that was to scuttle MM's prospects at Palace and at the same time unseat Moody but Palace and Cardiff aren't exactly best friends in any case after the "leaked" team line up.
But it could just be a coincidence.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
It could be worse than that. A group of your teams supporters could be arrested and convicted of singing songs celebrating the death of Steven Lawrence.
Vincent Tan changed Cardiff's colours which is obviously a bad thing. He also gave loads of money and got them success. It has been easy for many to paint Vincent Tan as some kind of Bond Villain but it looks as if the bloke is actually quite an impressive person and has had to handle a tricky situation. When Mackay left Cardiff, lots of people were quick to line up the goodies and the baddies, but subsequent events are going a long way towards vindicating Vincent Tan.
This^^
It's actually looking like Tan acted in a very decent way towards MM, maybe too decent in fact considering what he'd been up to, by coming up with the over-spending excuse for sacking him rather than the real reasons that are coming to light now.
Not so sure that Tan is the hero here either.
He went after MM and Moody, took a legal case about transfer dealings while at Cardiff which gave him access to documents and computers and while doing that unearthed these emails. Quite rightly he reported that to the FA but there is no suggestion that he knew about these emails or that these two held those views when he sacked them.
If he did know about them at the time then he could and should have said so at the time of MM being sacked. The fact that they were found in a search afterwards suggests he didn't know but we don't know the exact timescales.
IMHO he was trying to get the pair for dodgy transfer dealings ie paying too much or taking bungs but the sweep turned up something different but also damaging.
According to SSN the dossier was given to the FA last week.
Perhaps that was to scuttle MM's prospects at Palace and at the same time unseat Moody but Palace and Cardiff aren't exactly best friends in any case after the "leaked" team line up.
But it could just be a coincidence.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
It could be worse than that. A group of your teams supporters could be arrested and convicted of singing songs celebrating the death of Steven Lawrence.
Glass houses and stones, Henry.
Oh look, the palace fan has returned.
Big and significant difference that you have obviously ignored or maybe were not been able to grasp with you palace like brain is that Noades and Moody were OFFICIALS of your club, representing your club, leaders of your club.
While those fans were arrested with active cooperation from Charlton Athletic but you carry on desperately trying to deflect attention away from your own short comings.
Vincent Tan changed Cardiff's colours which is obviously a bad thing. He also gave loads of money and got them success. It has been easy for many to paint Vincent Tan as some kind of Bond Villain but it looks as if the bloke is actually quite an impressive person and has had to handle a tricky situation. When Mackay left Cardiff, lots of people were quick to line up the goodies and the baddies, but subsequent events are going a long way towards vindicating Vincent Tan.
This^^
It's actually looking like Tan acted in a very decent way towards MM, maybe too decent in fact considering what he'd been up to, by coming up with the over-spending excuse for sacking him rather than the real reasons that are coming to light now.
Not so sure that Tan is the hero here either.
He went after MM and Moody, took a legal case about transfer dealings while at Cardiff which gave him access to documents and computers and while doing that unearthed these emails. Quite rightly he reported that to the FA but there is no suggestion that he knew about these emails or that these two held those views when he sacked them.
If he did know about them at the time then he could and should have said so at the time of MM being sacked. The fact that they were found in a search afterwards suggests he didn't know but we don't know the exact timescales.
IMHO he was trying to get the pair for dodgy transfer dealings ie paying too much or taking bungs but the sweep turned up something different but also damaging.
According to SSN the dossier was given to the FA last week.
Perhaps that was to scuttle MM's prospects at Palace and at the same time unseat Moody but Palace and Cardiff aren't exactly best friends in any case after the "leaked" team line up.
But it could just be a coincidence.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
It could be worse than that. A group of your teams supporters could be arrested and convicted of singing songs celebrating the death of Steven Lawrence.
Vincent Tan changed Cardiff's colours which is obviously a bad thing. He also gave loads of money and got them success. It has been easy for many to paint Vincent Tan as some kind of Bond Villain but it looks as if the bloke is actually quite an impressive person and has had to handle a tricky situation. When Mackay left Cardiff, lots of people were quick to line up the goodies and the baddies, but subsequent events are going a long way towards vindicating Vincent Tan.
This^^
It's actually looking like Tan acted in a very decent way towards MM, maybe too decent in fact considering what he'd been up to, by coming up with the over-spending excuse for sacking him rather than the real reasons that are coming to light now.
Not so sure that Tan is the hero here either.
He went after MM and Moody, took a legal case about transfer dealings while at Cardiff which gave him access to documents and computers and while doing that unearthed these emails. Quite rightly he reported that to the FA but there is no suggestion that he knew about these emails or that these two held those views when he sacked them.
If he did know about them at the time then he could and should have said so at the time of MM being sacked. The fact that they were found in a search afterwards suggests he didn't know but we don't know the exact timescales.
IMHO he was trying to get the pair for dodgy transfer dealings ie paying too much or taking bungs but the sweep turned up something different but also damaging.
According to SSN the dossier was given to the FA last week.
Perhaps that was to scuttle MM's prospects at Palace and at the same time unseat Moody but Palace and Cardiff aren't exactly best friends in any case after the "leaked" team line up.
But it could just be a coincidence.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
It could be worse than that. A group of your teams supporters could be arrested and convicted of singing songs celebrating the death of Steven Lawrence.
Glass houses and stones, Henry.
Oh look, the palace fan has returned.
Big and significant difference that you have obviously ignored or maybe were not been able to grasp with you palace like brain is that Noades and Moody were OFFICIALS of your club, representing your club, leaders of your club.
While those fans were arrested with active cooperation from Charlton Athletic but you carry on desperately trying to deflect attention away from your own short comings.
I am not 'desperately trying to deflect attention away from your own shortcomings' as you put it. I was highlighting the hypocrisy of your ill thoughtful and pathetic attempt at one upmanship. You were saying 'Palace racist - Charlton not'. This isn't the case, is it?
Firstly, it appears that Moody made those texts and emails whilst an employee of Cardiff City, not Palace, as they were made to Malky Mackay, who has never been an employee of Palace.
Secondly, I will never defend Ron (RIP) for those offensive comments. How can I? They were offensive and degrading.
Thirdly, we are all ambassadors of our clubs, whether officials, players or fans. We all have to behave in a manner in which befits this. I treat away grounds with respect. I treat most away fans with respect, except for embittered, self righteous no heads like you, who have a major superiority complex and a blind spot towards the disgusting antics a portion of your own kind have been convicted of.
So please tell me, Mr ex-board fans director, how, as you imply in your response, is the singing of songs celebrating the death of Stephen Lawrence more acceptable than anything Ron and Moody did or are accused of doing?
All clubs have a moron element of supporters. I am sure Palace have fans who hold and vocalise racist views. To me, it is not something that should be used as a reason for one upmanship.
The fact that you are shit and will be shit for years, yes, that is reason for one upmanship.
But I thought some Lifers stated the other day that using offensive words to mates was OK so I assume that Greenie Jr et al will be saying that they think neither Moody or Mackay have done anything wrong?
In my view expressing these types of views in a (relatively) private context should not be illegal (as opposed to screaming them in abuse to someone likely to be greatly offended which clearly should be illegal in any decent society).
However an employer or potential employer is perfectly entitled to use those 'privately' expressed views as evidence to help build an assessment of someone's character - when the potential role is a high-profile one like football manager, then quite rightly as others have noted he will surely not be employed by a significant club again (unless he can somehow prove he didn't send them or they were taken grotesquely out of context).
"We've got to try and make sure we live our lives correctly and stand up to certain incidents when they happen and make sure they get dealt with straight away." (Chris Powell, speaking on racism in 2011)
He's presumably right behind Tan on this one then.
In life it's good to know who your real friends are.
I never liked that pic. One of Mackay's hands is still in his pocket or hip, he didnt embrace powell at all and actually looks uncomfortable.
i always thought it was malky being so relieved about securing promotion after all the times cardiff had nearly won promotion before and still running off nervous energy and finding the entire experience surreal. I'd still like to think that's the reason.
Vincent Tan changed Cardiff's colours which is obviously a bad thing. He also gave loads of money and got them success. It has been easy for many to paint Vincent Tan as some kind of Bond Villain but it looks as if the bloke is actually quite an impressive person and has had to handle a tricky situation. When Mackay left Cardiff, lots of people were quick to line up the goodies and the baddies, but subsequent events are going a long way towards vindicating Vincent Tan.
This^^
It's actually looking like Tan acted in a very decent way towards MM, maybe too decent in fact considering what he'd been up to, by coming up with the over-spending excuse for sacking him rather than the real reasons that are coming to light now.
Not so sure that Tan is the hero here either.
He went after MM and Moody, took a legal case about transfer dealings while at Cardiff which gave him access to documents and computers and while doing that unearthed these emails. Quite rightly he reported that to the FA but there is no suggestion that he knew about these emails or that these two held those views when he sacked them.
If he did know about them at the time then he could and should have said so at the time of MM being sacked. The fact that they were found in a search afterwards suggests he didn't know but we don't know the exact timescales.
IMHO he was trying to get the pair for dodgy transfer dealings ie paying too much or taking bungs but the sweep turned up something different but also damaging.
According to SSN the dossier was given to the FA last week.
Perhaps that was to scuttle MM's prospects at Palace and at the same time unseat Moody but Palace and Cardiff aren't exactly best friends in any case after the "leaked" team line up.
But it could just be a coincidence.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
It could be worse than that. A group of your teams supporters could be arrested and convicted of singing songs celebrating the death of Steven Lawrence.
Glass houses and stones, Henry.
Oh look, the palace fan has returned.
Big and significant difference that you have obviously ignored or maybe were not been able to grasp with you palace like brain is that Noades and Moody were OFFICIALS of your club, representing your club, leaders of your club.
While those fans were arrested with active cooperation from Charlton Athletic but you carry on desperately trying to deflect attention away from your own short comings.
I am not 'desperately trying to deflect attention away from your own shortcomings' as you put it. I was highlighting the hypocrisy of your ill thoughtful and pathetic attempt at one upmanship. You were saying 'Palace racist - Charlton not'. This isn't the case, is it?
Firstly, it appears that Moody made those texts and emails whilst an employee of Cardiff City, not Palace, as they were made to Malky Mackay, who has never been an employee of Palace.
Secondly, I will never defend Ron (RIP) for those offensive comments. How can I? They were offensive and degrading.
Thirdly, we are all ambassadors of our clubs, whether officials, players or fans. We all have to behave in a manner in which befits this. I treat away grounds with respect. I treat most away fans with respect, except for embittered, self righteous no heads like you, who have a major superiority complex and a blind spot towards the disgusting antics a portion of your own kind have been convicted of.
So please tell me, Mr ex-board fans director, how, as you imply in your response, is the singing of songs celebrating the death of Stephen Lawrence more acceptable than anything Ron and Moody did or are accused of doing?
All clubs have a moron element of supporters. I am sure Palace have fans who hold and vocalise racist views. To me, it is not something that should be used as a reason for one upmanship.
The fact that you are shit and will be shit for years, yes, that is reason for one upmanship.
I was actually agreeing with you until the last sentence; I thought you made some decent points. (Especially about fans being representatives of a club just as much as staff.)
In my view expressing these types of views in a (relatively) private context should not be illegal (as opposed to screaming them in abuse to someone likely to be greatly offended which clearly should be illegal in any decent society).
However an employer or potential employer is perfectly entitled to use those 'privately' expressed views as evidence to help build an assessment of someone's character - when the potential role is a high-profile one like football manager, then quite rightly as others have noted he will surely not be employed by a significant club again (unless he can somehow prove he didn't send them or they were taken grotesquely out of context).
Yes I tend to agree and as I said to Curb It above before I deleted my post drawing comparisons between the previous thread and this one was a step too far... The principle of what I said stands but agree that what Mackay and Moody are alleged to have tweeted is a degree apart. So sorry again for derailing!
Vincent Tan changed Cardiff's colours which is obviously a bad thing. He also gave loads of money and got them success. It has been easy for many to paint Vincent Tan as some kind of Bond Villain but it looks as if the bloke is actually quite an impressive person and has had to handle a tricky situation. When Mackay left Cardiff, lots of people were quick to line up the goodies and the baddies, but subsequent events are going a long way towards vindicating Vincent Tan.
Perhaps, one thing for certain, he's not to be f*cked with.
Mackay can't be a racist, Chris Powell is one of his best friends in England...
Tan looked like he knew nothing about English football but now he's sent out a message to all: 'Don't mess with me'. I agree with Henry that he timed the submission of the dossier. Mackay damaged Tan's public image and now it's Tan's revenge and obviously it has had a much more damaging effect on Mackay, whose management career may be destroyed. (This suddenly looks like an episode from the TV series Suits...)
Vincent Tan changed Cardiff's colours which is obviously a bad thing. He also gave loads of money and got them success. It has been easy for many to paint Vincent Tan as some kind of Bond Villain but it looks as if the bloke is actually quite an impressive person and has had to handle a tricky situation. When Mackay left Cardiff, lots of people were quick to line up the goodies and the baddies, but subsequent events are going a long way towards vindicating Vincent Tan.
This^^
It's actually looking like Tan acted in a very decent way towards MM, maybe too decent in fact considering what he'd been up to, by coming up with the over-spending excuse for sacking him rather than the real reasons that are coming to light now.
Not so sure that Tan is the hero here either.
He went after MM and Moody, took a legal case about transfer dealings while at Cardiff which gave him access to documents and computers and while doing that unearthed these emails. Quite rightly he reported that to the FA but there is no suggestion that he knew about these emails or that these two held those views when he sacked them.
If he did know about them at the time then he could and should have said so at the time of MM being sacked. The fact that they were found in a search afterwards suggests he didn't know but we don't know the exact timescales.
IMHO he was trying to get the pair for dodgy transfer dealings ie paying too much or taking bungs but the sweep turned up something different but also damaging.
According to SSN the dossier was given to the FA last week.
Perhaps that was to scuttle MM's prospects at Palace and at the same time unseat Moody but Palace and Cardiff aren't exactly best friends in any case after the "leaked" team line up.
But it could just be a coincidence.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
It could be worse than that. A group of your teams supporters could be arrested and convicted of singing songs celebrating the death of Steven Lawrence.
Glass houses and stones, Henry.
Oh look, the palace fan has returned.
Big and significant difference that you have obviously ignored or maybe were not been able to grasp with you palace like brain is that Noades and Moody were OFFICIALS of your club, representing your club, leaders of your club.
While those fans were arrested with active cooperation from Charlton Athletic but you carry on desperately trying to deflect attention away from your own short comings.
The fact that you are shit and will be shit for years, yes, that is reason for one upmanship.
The lol button is not enough for this comment, and it also beats every comment I have made, I don't normally say this to Nigels but well done and thanks you have brightened up my boring day at work
Vincent Tan changed Cardiff's colours which is obviously a bad thing. He also gave loads of money and got them success. It has been easy for many to paint Vincent Tan as some kind of Bond Villain but it looks as if the bloke is actually quite an impressive person and has had to handle a tricky situation. When Mackay left Cardiff, lots of people were quick to line up the goodies and the baddies, but subsequent events are going a long way towards vindicating Vincent Tan.
This^^
It's actually looking like Tan acted in a very decent way towards MM, maybe too decent in fact considering what he'd been up to, by coming up with the over-spending excuse for sacking him rather than the real reasons that are coming to light now.
Not so sure that Tan is the hero here either.
He went after MM and Moody, took a legal case about transfer dealings while at Cardiff which gave him access to documents and computers and while doing that unearthed these emails. Quite rightly he reported that to the FA but there is no suggestion that he knew about these emails or that these two held those views when he sacked them.
If he did know about them at the time then he could and should have said so at the time of MM being sacked. The fact that they were found in a search afterwards suggests he didn't know but we don't know the exact timescales.
IMHO he was trying to get the pair for dodgy transfer dealings ie paying too much or taking bungs but the sweep turned up something different but also damaging.
According to SSN the dossier was given to the FA last week.
Perhaps that was to scuttle MM's prospects at Palace and at the same time unseat Moody but Palace and Cardiff aren't exactly best friends in any case after the "leaked" team line up.
But it could just be a coincidence.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
It could be worse than that. A group of your teams supporters could be arrested and convicted of singing songs celebrating the death of Steven Lawrence.
Glass houses and stones, Henry.
Oh look, the palace fan has returned.
Big and significant difference that you have obviously ignored or maybe were not been able to grasp with you palace like brain is that Noades and Moody were OFFICIALS of your club, representing your club, leaders of your club.
While those fans were arrested with active cooperation from Charlton Athletic but you carry on desperately trying to deflect attention away from your own short comings.
I am not 'desperately trying to deflect attention away from your own shortcomings' as you put it. I was highlighting the hypocrisy of your ill thoughtful and pathetic attempt at one upmanship. You were saying 'Palace racist - Charlton not'. This isn't the case, is it?
Firstly, it appears that Moody made those texts and emails whilst an employee of Cardiff City, not Palace, as they were made to Malky Mackay, who has never been an employee of Palace.
Secondly, I will never defend Ron (RIP) for those offensive comments. How can I? They were offensive and degrading.
Thirdly, we are all ambassadors of our clubs, whether officials, players or fans. We all have to behave in a manner in which befits this. I treat away grounds with respect. I treat most away fans with respect, except for embittered, self righteous no heads like you, who have a major superiority complex and a blind spot towards the disgusting antics a portion of your own kind have been convicted of.
So please tell me, Mr ex-board fans director, how, as you imply in your response, is the singing of songs celebrating the death of Stephen Lawrence more acceptable than anything Ron and Moody did or are accused of doing?
All clubs have a moron element of supporters. I am sure Palace have fans who hold and vocalise racist views. To me, it is not something that should be used as a reason for one upmanship.
The fact that you are shit and will be shit for years, yes, that is reason for one upmanship.
I was actually agreeing with you until the last sentence; I thought you made some decent points. (Especially about fans being representatives of a club just as much as staff.)
That last sentence though? Just lol.
Thank you for a reasoned response.
The last sentence was meant to come over as tongue in cheek. I couldn't just sign off with a reasoned response, could? You are shit and will alway be shit.
Vincent Tan changed Cardiff's colours which is obviously a bad thing. He also gave loads of money and got them success. It has been easy for many to paint Vincent Tan as some kind of Bond Villain but it looks as if the bloke is actually quite an impressive person and has had to handle a tricky situation. When Mackay left Cardiff, lots of people were quick to line up the goodies and the baddies, but subsequent events are going a long way towards vindicating Vincent Tan.
This^^
It's actually looking like Tan acted in a very decent way towards MM, maybe too decent in fact considering what he'd been up to, by coming up with the over-spending excuse for sacking him rather than the real reasons that are coming to light now.
Not so sure that Tan is the hero here either.
He went after MM and Moody, took a legal case about transfer dealings while at Cardiff which gave him access to documents and computers and while doing that unearthed these emails. Quite rightly he reported that to the FA but there is no suggestion that he knew about these emails or that these two held those views when he sacked them.
If he did know about them at the time then he could and should have said so at the time of MM being sacked. The fact that they were found in a search afterwards suggests he didn't know but we don't know the exact timescales.
IMHO he was trying to get the pair for dodgy transfer dealings ie paying too much or taking bungs but the sweep turned up something different but also damaging.
According to SSN the dossier was given to the FA last week.
Perhaps that was to scuttle MM's prospects at Palace and at the same time unseat Moody but Palace and Cardiff aren't exactly best friends in any case after the "leaked" team line up.
But it could just be a coincidence.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
It could be worse than that. A group of your teams supporters could be arrested and convicted of singing songs celebrating the death of Steven Lawrence.
Glass houses and stones, Henry.
Oh look, the palace fan has returned.
Big and significant difference that you have obviously ignored or maybe were not been able to grasp with you palace like brain is that Noades and Moody were OFFICIALS of your club, representing your club, leaders of your club.
While those fans were arrested with active cooperation from Charlton Athletic but you carry on desperately trying to deflect attention away from your own short comings.
I am not 'desperately trying to deflect attention away from your own shortcomings' as you put it. I was highlighting the hypocrisy of your ill thoughtful and pathetic attempt at one upmanship. You were saying 'Palace racist - Charlton not'. This isn't the case, is it?
Firstly, it appears that Moody made those texts and emails whilst an employee of Cardiff City, not Palace, as they were made to Malky Mackay, who has never been an employee of Palace.
Secondly, I will never defend Ron (RIP) for those offensive comments. How can I? They were offensive and degrading.
Thirdly, we are all ambassadors of our clubs, whether officials, players or fans. We all have to behave in a manner in which befits this. I treat away grounds with respect. I treat most away fans with respect, except for embittered, self righteous no heads like you, who have a major superiority complex and a blind spot towards the disgusting antics a portion of your own kind have been convicted of.
So please tell me, Mr ex-board fans director, how, as you imply in your response, is the singing of songs celebrating the death of Stephen Lawrence more acceptable than anything Ron and Moody did or are accused of doing?
All clubs have a moron element of supporters. I am sure Palace have fans who hold and vocalise racist views. To me, it is not something that should be used as a reason for one upmanship.
The fact that you are shit and will be shit for years, yes, that is reason for one upmanship.
It must have taken you ages to type all that Nigel, is Glee not on TV at the moment...........?
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Not so sure that Tan is the hero here either.
He went after MM and Moody, took a legal case about transfer dealings while at Cardiff which gave him access to documents and computers and while doing that unearthed these emails. Quite rightly he reported that to the FA but there is no suggestion that he knew about these emails or that these two held those views when he sacked them.
If he did know about them at the time then he could and should have said so at the time of MM being sacked. The fact that they were found in a search afterwards suggests he didn't know but we don't know the exact timescales.
IMHO he was trying to get the pair for dodgy transfer dealings ie paying too much or taking bungs but the sweep turned up something different but also damaging.
According to SSN the dossier was given to the FA last week.
Perhaps that was to scuttle MM's prospects at Palace and at the same time unseat Moody but Palace and Cardiff aren't exactly best friends in any case after the "leaked" team line up.
But it could just be a coincidence.
Still it could have been worse. The Palace chairman could have said ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."
@Henry Irving Is that a real quote?!
i wonder much more embroiled in wrongdoing Palace can become ..thats all i wish for !!
Glass houses and stones, Henry.
Big and significant difference that you have obviously ignored or maybe were not been able to grasp with you palace like brain is that Noades and Moody were OFFICIALS of your club, representing your club, leaders of your club.
While those fans were arrested with active cooperation from Charlton Athletic but you carry on desperately trying to deflect attention away from your own short comings.
True... fair play and deleted... If you can delete yours then thread derailing can hopefully be avoided. You're right so hands up! Solly.
Firstly, it appears that Moody made those texts and emails whilst an employee of Cardiff City, not Palace, as they were made to Malky Mackay, who has never been an employee of Palace.
Secondly, I will never defend Ron (RIP) for those offensive comments. How can I? They were offensive and degrading.
Thirdly, we are all ambassadors of our clubs, whether officials, players or fans. We all have to behave in a manner in which befits this. I treat away grounds with respect. I treat most away fans with respect, except for embittered, self righteous no heads like you, who have a major superiority complex and a blind spot towards the disgusting antics a portion of your own kind have been convicted of.
So please tell me, Mr ex-board fans director, how, as you imply in your response, is the singing of songs celebrating the death of Stephen Lawrence more acceptable than anything Ron and Moody did or are accused of doing?
All clubs have a moron element of supporters. I am sure Palace have fans who hold and vocalise racist views. To me, it is not something that should be used as a reason for one upmanship.
The fact that you are shit and will be shit for years, yes, that is reason for one upmanship.
However an employer or potential employer is perfectly entitled to use those 'privately' expressed views as evidence to help build an assessment of someone's character - when the potential role is a high-profile one like football manager, then quite rightly as others have noted he will surely not be employed by a significant club again (unless he can somehow prove he didn't send them or they were taken grotesquely out of context).
That last sentence though? Just lol.
pretty big embrace there!
Two sorrys in one day. That's your lot...
The last sentence was meant to come over as tongue in cheek. I couldn't just sign off with a reasoned response, could? You are shit and will alway be shit.