I've got some foreigners living above me. They seem very nice.
Had British Sikhs and Jamaicans living all round me, lovally time had by all great community, then the Slovakian Gypsies moved in en mass and the place turned into an absolute shit-hole, 100% down to them!
So change the benefit regime to bring it in line with other EU countries such as France and Germany. Why do you think the Slovak gypsies choose London rather than Paris or Berlin? The weather ????
The weather pmsl clever... No its for the free motors, generous hand outs, food vouchers and to push their luck with the tolerant British public.
Free motors?
I don't think they get "free motors" if they pitch up in Germany.
Did you not watch the Polish Foreign Minister on the Andrew Marr programme last summer? I found the transcript for the relevant section. Basically he is telling us, you don't have to leave the EU to fix the problem:
RADEK SIKORSKI: But coming back to your earlier point, you know we have nothing ... no problem with Britain making its social security system less generous. And for example on the continent, in particular in Poland, if you came to Poland we wouldn’t pay you benefits or housing benefit from day one. You would have to earn that right; it would take you some months. And so you’re changing your social security system to be more continental ... ANDREW MARR: And a bit tougher. 3 RADEK SIKORSKI: ... and the European Union is not interfering in that. And as long as you make it non-discriminatory, we will not criticise you.
Yeah, as soon as they moved in, within a week or so, they'd be driving round the block in a new motor, 5 up, drinking cans of beer, playing their music at full blast. None of em worked so I assume they got given the cars or they nicked em? There were 3 terrace houses and a block of flats full of em, with about 5-6 cars between em. The big fat one had a brand spanking new black Citreon Picasso, so he must've qualified through disability because he was so fat I spose? You tell me, you're the expert
Your other point, I'd agree with. Not sure why you're getting out you pram with me?
Well it's a a thread about politics. People might disagree with each other. It's nothing personal but I think UKIP supporters talk a lot of bollocks. Most of the 'issues' can be fixed by British legislation without leaving the EU and I'm just pointing it out with an example. I thought you were suggesting they had somehow acquired cars directly from the State, but it was late when i read it, and now I understand what you meant.
Bit of a sweeping generalisation that, some would say prejudice. But at least we've gone from racist nazi scum to just talking bollocks
Why would anyone want to go back to where the trouble started? 5 more years of overspending on welfare again, building up more debt
So which economic indicators has the coalition delivered on its promises on then? Deficit reduction? Growth? Reducing the national debt? Maintaining our AAA credit rating? Increasing exports? Has it significantly reformed the banking sector 7 years after the crash?
I think SHG raises a great point in that those living and working in the South East/London are far from in the ideal position to judge what those of us in the poorer parts of the country are seeing in terms of any supposed recovery. When I walk down my local high street I still see more businesses going than starting up for instance and few people I know feel anything like better off or more economically secure now relative to 2010.
I think the economic recovery can be viewed in a slightly less blinkered way than a stroll down Highcliffe shopping arcade and a chat with a couple of random mates. I'm sure you read your local papers.
The press headlines suggest your anecdotal bias to be a bit wide of the mark for the bigger picture
''Bournemouth beats London as UK's fastest-growing digital economy'' Feb 2015 Britain’s digital economy is booming outside London, with 74pc of digital firms now based beyond the capital, and Bournemouth, Liverpool and Brighton emerging as the industry’s runaway success stories.
Or this from the Echo
Bournemouth one of handful of "cities" driving economy, says report 19th January 2015
BOURNEMOUTH is one of a handful of cities driving economic growth in the UK, according to new research.
Bournemouth is fifth in the table with a 10% growth in jobs between 2004 and 2015. It is also tenth in the table for number of businesses, with 345.5 businesses for every 10,000 people. The proportion of people claiming Job Seekers Allowance is one of the lowest too, at 1.3% - the ninth lowest, according to the study.
My local paper had this article last week
Jaguar Land Rover to invest £450m in Castle Bromwich factory 24 March 2015 Huge investment to turn site into world centre for building aluminium cars
The investment in Castle Bromwich is part of a major push on the Big Cat marque with JLR also putting £400 million into a research and development centre in Coventry.
The new site is set to be built next to the firm’s global headquarters at Whitley, creating another 7,000 to 11,000 jobs indirectly through the supply chain.
Away from manufacturing HSBC moves its UK bank headquarters to Birmingham 24 March 2015 In Birmingham's biggest inward investment deal for a generation, Britain's biggest bank is relocating its UK operation to Arena Central. It comes as a result of new laws over ring-fencing investment arms from the Vickers report into banking.
Bournemouth !!! I'm sure your figures are correct but it's likely to be an anomaly rather than an indicator. Do you have to hand the figures for Skegness or Llandudno ? In any case Bournemouth is a cliche for rich retired so hardly a deprived area in the first place.
As for Birmingham. It's the countries second biggest city. If there was no glimmer of recovery there then we really would be in trouble.
I reiterate my earlier point. I think outside the City, Big business, and the South East in general most people are not feeling what David Cameron is saying. There undoubtedly is a recovery of sorts but it's impacting on very few ordinary workers.
Using the phrase "ordinary workers" is just so patronising. No one is ordinary. And I take it the record numbers of people in employment will not have noticed according to you?
Why would anyone want to go back to where the trouble started? 5 more years of overspending on welfare again, buildine debt
So which economic indicators has the coalition delivered on its promises on then? Deficit reduction? Growth? Reducing the national debt? Maintaining our AAA credit rating? Increasing exports? Has it significantly reformed the banking sector 7 years after the crash?
I think SHG raises a great point in that those living and working in the South East/London are far from in the ideal position to judge what those of us in the poorer parts of the country are seeing in terms of any supposed recovery. When I walk down my local high street I still see more businesses going than starting up for instance and few people I know feel anything like better off or more economically secure now relative to 2010.
I think the economic recovery can be viewed in a slightly less blinkered way than a stroll down Highcliffe shopping arcade and a chat with a couple of random mates. I'm sure you read your local papers.
The press headlines suggest your anecdotal bias to be a bit wide of the mark for the bigger picture
''Bournemouth beats London as UK's fastest-growing digital economy'' Feb 2015 Britain’s digital economy is booming outside London, with 74pc of digital firms now based beyond the capital, and Bournemouth, Liverpool and Brighton emerging as the industry’s runaway success stories.
Or this from the Echo
Bournemouth one of handful of "cities" driving economy, says report 19th January 2015
BOURNEMOUTH is one of a handful of cities driving economic growth in the UK, according to new research.
Bournemouth is fifth in the table with a 10% growth in jobs between 2004 and 2015. It is also tenth in the table for number of businesses, with 345.5 businesses for every 10,000 people. The proportion of people claiming Job Seekers Allowance is one of the lowest too, at 1.3% - the ninth lowest, according to the study.
My local paper had this article last week
Jaguar Land Rover to invest £450m in Castle Bromwich factory 24 March 2015 Huge investment to turn site into world centre for building aluminium cars
The investment in Castle Bromwich is part of a major push on the Big Cat marque with JLR also putting £400 million into a research and development centre in Coventry.
The new site is set to be built next to the firm’s global headquarters at Whitley, creating another 7,000 to 11,000 jobs indirectly through the supply chain.
Away from manufacturing HSBC moves its UK bank headquarters to Birmingham 24 March 2015 In Birmingham's biggest inward investment deal for a generation, Britain's biggest bank is relocating its UK operation to Arena Central. It comes as a result of new laws over ring-fencing investment arms from the Vickers report into banking.
I'd strongly refute my views on the economic performance of this government are only supported by "anecdotal bias" and think my posting record to verifiable, external sources stands up as well as anyones in this discussion and better than most if I'm honest. I thought about the point that in my experience we are seeing few signs on the high street of any recovery but put it in my post anyway because a) it is my experience and b) as part of my job I speak to businesses of all sizes and types on a daily basis and they are without exception telling me they are struggling.
If you've been looking at my local rag for good news economic stories then perhaps you also came across plenty of bad news stories too, like the one yesterday about the record numbers of callers for debt advice services in Christchurch (of all places!) or the proliferation of food banks we are seeing in line with everyone else in the UK?
By all means argue the point about the economy on the indicators available, like the removal of our AAA rating which is a fact not an opinion, but please don't suggest I base my views only on a chat with a couple of mates.
I don't agree with their politics but Sturgeon is the second best politician in this country, Salmond is the best.
I've never heard Salmond answer a question, unless it's with another question back. Loved it when he was asked throughout the referendum campaign about the Scots keeping the pound.
Maybe that does make him a good politician
Salmond is coming down to wind up the English nothing more nothing less, then he'll turn anti Salmond into anti Scottish. Hey presto end of The Union, job done.
Nicola of course will still have to cook Rab's tea.
Why would anyone want to go back to where the trouble started? 5 more years of overspending on welfare again, building up more debt
So which economic indicators has the coalition delivered on its promises on then? Deficit reduction? Growth? Reducing the national debt? Maintaining our AAA credit rating? Increasing exports? Has it significantly reformed the banking sector 7 years after the crash?
I think SHG raises a great point in that those living and working in the South East/London are far from in the ideal position to judge what those of us in the poorer parts of the country are seeing in terms of any supposed recovery. When I walk down my local high street I still see more businesses going than starting up for instance and few people I know feel anything like better off or more economically secure now relative to 2010.
I think the economic recovery can be viewed in a slightly less blinkered way than a stroll down Highcliffe shopping arcade and a chat with a couple of random mates. I'm sure you read your local papers.
The press headlines suggest your anecdotal bias to be a bit wide of the mark for the bigger picture
''Bournemouth beats London as UK's fastest-growing digital economy'' Feb 2015 Britain’s digital economy is booming outside London, with 74pc of digital firms now based beyond the capital, and Bournemouth, Liverpool and Brighton emerging as the industry’s runaway success stories.
Or this from the Echo
Bournemouth one of handful of "cities" driving economy, says report 19th January 2015
BOURNEMOUTH is one of a handful of cities driving economic growth in the UK, according to new research.
Bournemouth is fifth in the table with a 10% growth in jobs between 2004 and 2015. It is also tenth in the table for number of businesses, with 345.5 businesses for every 10,000 people. The proportion of people claiming Job Seekers Allowance is one of the lowest too, at 1.3% - the ninth lowest, according to the study.
My local paper had this article last week
Jaguar Land Rover to invest £450m in Castle Bromwich factory 24 March 2015 Huge investment to turn site into world centre for building aluminium cars
The investment in Castle Bromwich is part of a major push on the Big Cat marque with JLR also putting £400 million into a research and development centre in Coventry.
The new site is set to be built next to the firm’s global headquarters at Whitley, creating another 7,000 to 11,000 jobs indirectly through the supply chain.
Away from manufacturing HSBC moves its UK bank headquarters to Birmingham 24 March 2015 In Birmingham's biggest inward investment deal for a generation, Britain's biggest bank is relocating its UK operation to Arena Central. It comes as a result of new laws over ring-fencing investment arms from the Vickers report into banking.
Bournemouth !!! I'm sure your figures are correct but it's likely to be an anomaly rather than an indicator. Do you have to hand the figures for Skegness or Llandudno ? In any case Bournemouth is a cliche for rich retired so hardly a deprived area in the first place.
As for Birmingham. It's the countries second biggest city. If there was no glimmer of recovery there then we really would be in trouble.
I reiterate my earlier point. I think outside the City, Big business, and the South East in general most people are not feeling what David Cameron is saying. There undoubtedly is a recovery of sorts but it's impacting on very few ordinary workers.
Using the phrase "ordinary workers" is just so patronising. No one is ordinary. And I take it the record numbers of people in employment will not have noticed according to you?
Oh get over yourself. You know exactly what I mean and I wasn't trying to be patronising. To make things clear for you. By "ordinary worker" I mean the man or woman that has a job that isn't secure or particularly well paid and is doing the best they can for themselves and their families. Are they seeing the benefits of this recovery. Fuel bills, food bills, all hugely more expensive in the last five years. Pay frozen or barely increased. Many of the jobs created are zero hour and minimum wage. I don't see much much light at the end of the tunnel and in my humble opinion I think a good many people are like me.
Sorry but isn't inflation down massively in reference to living costs heading the right way ? I think when you consider the mess we were in 5 years ago with mountains of debt, the deficit IS starting to get cleared. The only way you drag a country out of trouble is to make decisions that will sometimes be unpopular. Historically after a spell of Labour government that's what the Tories have had to do. And yes it needs to be shared across the board. Why should 'ordinary people' get more benefit proportionally compared to others (who are also ordinary and not a bunch of Eton toffs) who have managed to secure a slightly stronger financial position in life. During the last crash we keep hearing that the 'bankers caused it so the wealthy must cover it'. I also vividly remember lots of 'ordinary people' living beyond their means and racking up credit card debt to fund a lifestyle too extravagant. Everyone will contribute in some way and naturally those who have achieved a higher salary (because not everyone is the same) will probably have more to show for it. Referring to not having a pay rise for years...nobody is forced to stay in their job and carry on doing what they are doing. Look for a new one, be inventive with what you do with your skills (online business etc) because to get out of trouble the nation needs people to take some of their own responsibility as well.
It's too early for me to do the maths, but last night Nigel Farage said a house was built every 17 minutes for the sole purpose of housing immigrants, just wondering how many houses have been built whilst I've been asleep.
I've got some foreigners living above me. They seem very nice.
Had British Sikhs and Jamaicans living all round me, lovally time had by all great community, then the Slovakian Gypsies moved in en mass and the place turned into an absolute shit-hole, 100% down to them!
So change the benefit regime to bring it in line with other EU countries such as France and Germany. Why do you think the Slovak gypsies choose London rather than Paris or Berlin? The weather ????
The weather pmsl clever... No its for the free motors, generous hand outs, food vouchers and to push their luck with the tolerant British public.
Free motors?
I don't think they get "free motors" if they pitch up in Germany.
Did you not watch the Polish Foreign Minister on the Andrew Marr programme last summer? I found the transcript for the relevant section. Basically he is telling us, you don't have to leave the EU to fix the problem:
RADEK SIKORSKI: But coming back to your earlier point, you know we have nothing ... no problem with Britain making its social security system less generous. And for example on the continent, in particular in Poland, if you came to Poland we wouldn’t pay you benefits or housing benefit from day one. You would have to earn that right; it would take you some months. And so you’re changing your social security system to be more continental ... ANDREW MARR: And a bit tougher. 3 RADEK SIKORSKI: ... and the European Union is not interfering in that. And as long as you make it non-discriminatory, we will not criticise you.
Yeah, as soon as they moved in, within a week or so, they'd be driving round the block in a new motor, 5 up, drinking cans of beer, playing their music at full blast. None of em worked so I assume they got given the cars or they nicked em? There were 3 terrace houses and a block of flats full of em, with about 5-6 cars between em. The big fat one had a brand spanking new black Citreon Picasso, so he must've qualified through disability because he was so fat I spose? You tell me, you're the expert
Your other point, I'd agree with. Not sure why you're getting out you pram with me?
Well it's a a thread about politics. People might disagree with each other. It's nothing personal but I think UKIP supporters talk a lot of bollocks. Most of the 'issues' can be fixed by British legislation without leaving the EU .....
Very reasoned of you Prague. At least I referred to 6 of the7 politicians talking bollocks, not supporters of a particular party. I was unfair actually because Leanne Wood had the integrity to state that Farage was correct when he said that, while the UK remains a member of the EU, it can do nothing to limit net migration - now running annually at x10 the average prior to the expansion of the EU to include former associates of the Soviet Union. Uncontrollable net migration is an issue that patently cannot be solved by British legislation alone. It is not racist to wish to control borders, it is simply that logistically, the infrastructure and housing supply in the areas where most of the population growth is occurring cannot cope.
It's too early for me to do the maths, but last night Nigel Farage said a house was built every 17 minutes for the sole purpose of housing immigrants, just wondering how many houses have been built whilst I've been asleep.
It's too early for me to do the maths, but last night Nigel Farage said a house was built every 17 minutes for the sole purpose of housing immigrants, just wondering how many houses have been built whilst I've been asleep.
Every 7 minutes actually Chief
Sorry , I said it was too early, but thanks for providing the right information, so by the time we play Millwall half of my street would be full of foreigners.
Why would anyone want to go back to where the trouble started? 5 more years of overspending on welfare again, building up more debt
So which economic indicators has the coalition delivered on its promises on then? Deficit reduction? Growth? Reducing the national debt? Maintaining our AAA credit rating? Increasing exports? Has it significantly reformed the banking sector 7 years after the crash?
I think SHG raises a great point in that those living and working in the South East/London are far from in the ideal position to judge what those of us in the poorer parts of the country are seeing in terms of any supposed recovery. When I walk down my local high street I still see more businesses going than starting up for instance and few people I know feel anything like better off or more economically secure now relative to 2010.
I think the economic recovery can be viewed in a slightly less blinkered way than a stroll down Highcliffe shopping arcade and a chat with a couple of random mates. I'm sure you read your local papers.
The press headlines suggest your anecdotal bias to be a bit wide of the mark for the bigger picture
''Bournemouth beats London as UK's fastest-growing digital economy'' Feb 2015 Britain’s digital economy is booming outside London, with 74pc of digital firms now based beyond the capital, and Bournemouth, Liverpool and Brighton emerging as the industry’s runaway success stories.
Or this from the Echo
Bournemouth one of handful of "cities" driving economy, says report 19th January 2015
BOURNEMOUTH is one of a handful of cities driving economic growth in the UK, according to new research.
Bournemouth is fifth in the table with a 10% growth in jobs between 2004 and 2015. It is also tenth in the table for number of businesses, with 345.5 businesses for every 10,000 people. The proportion of people claiming Job Seekers Allowance is one of the lowest too, at 1.3% - the ninth lowest, according to the study.
My local paper had this article last week
Jaguar Land Rover to invest £450m in Castle Bromwich factory 24 March 2015 Huge investment to turn site into world centre for building aluminium cars
The investment in Castle Bromwich is part of a major push on the Big Cat marque with JLR also putting £400 million into a research and development centre in Coventry.
The new site is set to be built next to the firm’s global headquarters at Whitley, creating another 7,000 to 11,000 jobs indirectly through the supply chain.
Away from manufacturing HSBC moves its UK bank headquarters to Birmingham 24 March 2015 In Birmingham's biggest inward investment deal for a generation, Britain's biggest bank is relocating its UK operation to Arena Central. It comes as a result of new laws over ring-fencing investment arms from the Vickers report into banking.
Bournemouth !!! I'm sure your figures are correct but it's likely to be an anomaly rather than an indicator. Do you have to hand the figures for Skegness or Llandudno ? In any case Bournemouth is a cliche for rich retired so hardly a deprived area in the first place.
As for Birmingham. It's the countries second biggest city. If there was no glimmer of recovery there then we really would be in trouble.
I reiterate my earlier point. I think outside the City, Big business, and the South East in general most people are not feeling what David Cameron is saying. There undoubtedly is a recovery of sorts but it's impacting on very few ordinary workers.
Using the phrase "ordinary workers" is just so patronising. No one is ordinary. And I take it the record numbers of people in employment will not have noticed according to you?
Oh get over yourself. You know exactly what I mean and I wasn't trying to be patronising. To make things clear for you. By "ordinary worker" I mean the man or woman that has a job that isn't secure or particularly well paid and is doing the best they can for themselves and their families. Are they seeing the benefits of this recovery. Fuel bills, food bills, all hugely more expensive in the last five years. Pay frozen or barely increased. Many of the jobs created are zero hour and minimum wage. I don't see much much light at the end of the tunnel and in my humble opinion I think a good many people are like me.
Food price inflation reached a record high in August 2008 13%. - remember who was in power then? It was -3.3% in February this year. Meantime, many businesses made the heroic decision to keep as many workers on as possible (it's one of the reasons productivity is so poor) rather than pay less workers more money - that's the sort of equality a socialist should rejoice in - spreading the pain. Also you are conveniently forgetting that personal allowance increases have taken over 3mn people out of paying income tax altogether and from this weekend further changes will mean that the typical income tax payer is now paying over £700 less tax than they did in 2010. 26mn people are now paying less income tax than they did under the calamitous last regime. Sure that's partially offset by other tax charges but it's still good news and hopefully people will notice.
It's too early for me to do the maths, but last night Nigel Farage said a house was built every 17 minutes for the sole purpose of housing immigrants, just wondering how many houses have been built whilst I've been asleep.
Every 7 minutes actually Chief
Sorry , I said it was too early, but thanks for providing the right information, so by the time we play Millwall half of my street would be full of foreigners.
I don't think he said a house IS built every 7 minutes he said a house NEEDED to be built every 7 minutes.
The issue under discussion at that point was lack of housing. He also went on to say that Government should give incentives to developers to build on brown field sites rather than green field ones.
It's too early for me to do the maths, but last night Nigel Farage said a house was built every 17 minutes for the sole purpose of housing immigrants, just wondering how many houses have been built whilst I've been asleep.
Every 7 minutes actually Chief
Sorry , I said it was too early, but thanks for providing the right information, so by the time we play Millwall half of my street would be full of foreigners.
Depends where you live, it could be full on natives trying getting away from the foreigners
Why would anyone want to go back to where the trouble started? 5 more years of overspending on welfare again, building up more debt
So which economic indicators has the coalition delivered on its promises on then? Deficit reduction? Growth? Reducing the national debt? Maintaining our AAA credit rating? Increasing exports? Has it significantly reformed the banking sector 7 years after the crash?
I think SHG raises a great point in that those living and working in the South East/London are far from in the ideal position to judge what those of us in the poorer parts of the country are seeing in terms of any supposed recovery. When I walk down my local high street I still see more businesses going than starting up for instance and few people I know feel anything like better off or more economically secure now relative to 2010.
I think the economic recovery can be viewed in a slightly less blinkered way than a stroll down Highcliffe shopping arcade and a chat with a couple of random mates. I'm sure you read your local papers.
The press headlines suggest your anecdotal bias to be a bit wide of the mark for the bigger picture
''Bournemouth beats London as UK's fastest-growing digital economy'' Feb 2015 Britain’s digital economy is booming outside London, with 74pc of digital firms now based beyond the capital, and Bournemouth, Liverpool and Brighton emerging as the industry’s runaway success stories.
Or this from the Echo
Bournemouth one of handful of "cities" driving economy, says report 19th January 2015
BOURNEMOUTH is one of a handful of cities driving economic growth in the UK, according to new research.
Bournemouth is fifth in the table with a 10% growth in jobs between 2004 and 2015. It is also tenth in the table for number of businesses, with 345.5 businesses for every 10,000 people. The proportion of people claiming Job Seekers Allowance is one of the lowest too, at 1.3% - the ninth lowest, according to the study.
My local paper had this article last week
Jaguar Land Rover to invest £450m in Castle Bromwich factory 24 March 2015 Huge investment to turn site into world centre for building aluminium cars
The investment in Castle Bromwich is part of a major push on the Big Cat marque with JLR also putting £400 million into a research and development centre in Coventry.
The new site is set to be built next to the firm’s global headquarters at Whitley, creating another 7,000 to 11,000 jobs indirectly through the supply chain.
Away from manufacturing HSBC moves its UK bank headquarters to Birmingham 24 March 2015 In Birmingham's biggest inward investment deal for a generation, Britain's biggest bank is relocating its UK operation to Arena Central. It comes as a result of new laws over ring-fencing investment arms from the Vickers report into banking.
Bournemouth !!! I'm sure your figures are correct but it's likely to be an anomaly rather than an indicator. Do you have to hand the figures for Skegness or Llandudno ? In any case Bournemouth is a cliche for rich retired so hardly a deprived area in the first place.
As for Birmingham. It's the countries second biggest city. If there was no glimmer of recovery there then we really would be in trouble.
I reiterate my earlier point. I think outside the City, Big business, and the South East in general most people are not feeling what David Cameron is saying. There undoubtedly is a recovery of sorts but it's impacting on very few ordinary workers.
Using the phrase "ordinary workers" is just so patronising. No one is ordinary. And I take it the record numbers of people in employment will not have noticed according to you?
Oh get over yourself. You know exactly what I mean and I wasn't trying to be patronising. To make things clear for you. By "ordinary worker" I mean the man or woman that has a job that isn't secure or particularly well paid and is doing the best they can for themselves and their families. Are they seeing the benefits of this recovery. Fuel bills, food bills, all hugely more expensive in the last five years. Pay frozen or barely increased. Many of the jobs created are zero hour and minimum wage. I don't see much much light at the end of the tunnel and in my humble opinion I think a good many people are like me.
Food price inflation reached a record high in August 2008 13%. - remember who was in power then? It was -3.3% in February this year. Meantime, many businesses made the heroic decision to keep as many workers on as possible (it's one of the reasons productivity is so poor) rather than pay less workers more money - that's the sort of equality a socialist should rejoice in - spreading the pain. Also you are conveniently forgetting that personal allowance increases have taken over 3mn people out of paying income tax altogether and from this weekend further changes will mean that the typical income tax payer is now paying over £700 less tax than they did in 2010. 26mn people are now paying less income tax than they did under the calamitous last regime. Sure that's partially offset by other tax charges but it's still good news and hopefully people will notice.
I'm £1600 a year worse off in during the last five years.
Food has never been more expensive. Gas and electricity prices are still too high and is a scandal. Those two things alone dwarf the income tax changes. Add to that the salary freeze I've been subjected to for the coalition years and the until very recently the theiving price of petrol at the pumps and I'm not sure I can quite view in the same light as "call me Dave" the benefits of his economic plan.
Why would anyone want to go back to where the trouble started? 5 more years of overspending on welfare again, building up more debt
So which economic indicators has the coalition delivered on its promises on then? Deficit reduction? Growth? Reducing the national debt? Maintaining our AAA credit rating? Increasing exports? Has it significantly reformed the banking sector 7 years after the crash?
I think SHG raises a great point in that those living and working in the South East/London are far from in the ideal position to judge what those of us in the poorer parts of the country are seeing in terms of any supposed recovery. When I walk down my local high street I still see more businesses going than starting up for instance and few people I know feel anything like better off or more economically secure now relative to 2010.
I think the economic recovery can be viewed in a slightly less blinkered way than a stroll down Highcliffe shopping arcade and a chat with a couple of random mates. I'm sure you read your local papers.
The press headlines suggest your anecdotal bias to be a bit wide of the mark for the bigger picture
''Bournemouth beats London as UK's fastest-growing digital economy'' Feb 2015 Britain’s digital economy is booming outside London, with 74pc of digital firms now based beyond the capital, and Bournemouth, Liverpool and Brighton emerging as the industry’s runaway success stories.
Or this from the Echo
Bournemouth one of handful of "cities" driving economy, says report 19th January 2015
BOURNEMOUTH is one of a handful of cities driving economic growth in the UK, according to new research.
Bournemouth is fifth in the table with a 10% growth in jobs between 2004 and 2015. It is also tenth in the table for number of businesses, with 345.5 businesses for every 10,000 people. The proportion of people claiming Job Seekers Allowance is one of the lowest too, at 1.3% - the ninth lowest, according to the study.
My local paper had this article last week
Jaguar Land Rover to invest £450m in Castle Bromwich factory 24 March 2015 Huge investment to turn site into world centre for building aluminium cars
The investment in Castle Bromwich is part of a major push on the Big Cat marque with JLR also putting £400 million into a research and development centre in Coventry.
The new site is set to be built next to the firm’s global headquarters at Whitley, creating another 7,000 to 11,000 jobs indirectly through the supply chain.
Away from manufacturing HSBC moves its UK bank headquarters to Birmingham 24 March 2015 In Birmingham's biggest inward investment deal for a generation, Britain's biggest bank is relocating its UK operation to Arena Central. It comes as a result of new laws over ring-fencing investment arms from the Vickers report into banking.
Bournemouth !!! I'm sure your figures are correct but it's likely to be an anomaly rather than an indicator. Do you have to hand the figures for Skegness or Llandudno ? In any case Bournemouth is a cliche for rich retired so hardly a deprived area in the first place.
As for Birmingham. It's the countries second biggest city. If there was no glimmer of recovery there then we really would be in trouble.
I reiterate my earlier point. I think outside the City, Big business, and the South East in general most people are not feeling what David Cameron is saying. There undoubtedly is a recovery of sorts but it's impacting on very few ordinary workers.
Using the phrase "ordinary workers" is just so patronising. No one is ordinary. And I take it the record numbers of people in employment will not have noticed according to you?
Oh get over yourself. You know exactly what I mean and I wasn't trying to be patronising. To make things clear for you. By "ordinary worker" I mean the man or woman that has a job that isn't secure or particularly well paid and is doing the best they can for themselves and their families. Are they seeing the benefits of this recovery. Fuel bills, food bills, all hugely more expensive in the last five years. Pay frozen or barely increased. Many of the jobs created are zero hour and minimum wage. I don't see much much light at the end of the tunnel and in my humble opinion I think a good many people are like me.
Food price inflation reached a record high in August 2008 13%. - remember who was in power then? It was -3.3% in February this year. Meantime, many businesses made the heroic decision to keep as many workers on as possible (it's one of the reasons productivity is so poor) rather than pay less workers more money - that's the sort of equality a socialist should rejoice in - spreading the pain. Also you are conveniently forgetting that personal allowance increases have taken over 3mn people out of paying income tax altogether and from this weekend further changes will mean that the typical income tax payer is now paying over £700 less tax than they did in 2010. 26mn people are now paying less income tax than they did under the calamitous last regime. Sure that's partially offset by other tax charges but it's still good news and hopefully people will notice.
I'm £1600 a year worse off in during the last five years.
Food has never been more expensive. Gas and electricity prices are still too high and is a scandal. Those two things alone dwarf the income tax changes. Add to that the salary freeze I've been subjected to for the coalition years and the until very recently the theiving price of petrol at the pumps and I'm not sure I can quite view in the same light as "call me Dave" the benefits of his economic plan.
Honestly mate, you wanna look at places like France as a comparison. The UK is cheap when it comes to shopping and electric.
Regarding gas/electric supply; it's so easy to chop and change in the UK to look for the deals, not possibly in France, well not in this part anyway...
Ok - if the polls are anything like accurate then we are heading for another hung parliament. If that is indeed the outcome, who would go with who?
Clegg has made it clear he would work in coalition with Cameron in recent days. Does that open the door to more of the same?
How much influence would the SNP have over proceedings alongside Labour?
If everything was done 'fairly' we would have Con / Lab. Then again Charlton might also beat Millwall today but we all know some things in life will just never happen.
It's too early for me to do the maths, but last night Nigel Farage said a house was built every 17 minutes for the sole purpose of housing immigrants, just wondering how many houses have been built whilst I've been asleep.
Every 7 minutes actually Chief
Equivalent to 75,000 per annum - given we are only building 100,000 total per annum, he is implying 75% go to new immigrants. Like virtually everything that comes out his mouth I suspect this is unsubstantiated BS.
It's too early for me to do the maths, but last night Nigel Farage said a house was built every 17 minutes for the sole purpose of housing immigrants, just wondering how many houses have been built whilst I've been asleep.
Every 7 minutes actually Chief
Equivalent to 75,000 per annum - given we are only building 100,000 total per annum, he is implying 75% go to new immigrants. Like virtually everything that comes out his mouth I suspect this is unsubstantiated BS.
Maybe he's exaggerated, show me a politician that don't.
Chaps Millwall away today, can't we all just get along for 24 hours!!!???
Or atleast till the first '*sit down/stand up* thread appears!
Good call. There will be enough in fighting going on in about 7 hours between the optimists and told ya so's after we roll over and the spanners do us again
It's too early for me to do the maths, but last night Nigel Farage said a house was built every 17 minutes for the sole purpose of housing immigrants, just wondering how many houses have been built whilst I've been asleep.
Every 7 minutes actually Chief
Equivalent to 75,000 per annum - given we are only building 100,000 total per annum, he is implying 75% go to new immigrants. Like virtually everything that comes out his mouth I suspect this is unsubstantiated BS.
Maybe he's exaggerated, show me a politician that don't.
If one of the other participants had been able to do some simple maths they could have made him look utterly ridiculous.
It's an out and out lie for Farage (and those who support him) to claim that nothing can be done about migration from the EU. I've already quoted the Polish Foreign Minister pointing out how easy it is to dissuade the most undesirable types (those that @brogip mentioned, and I have every sympathy with him). Also don't call Poland "a former associate" of the Soviet Union in front of Mr Sikorski. "Occupied territory" would be far more accurate. They are now countries who are pulling themselves up by their bootlaces creating new markets for EU exporters. Unfortunately while I see German companies from Bosch to BMW coining it in the Czech republic, the British seem to mainly export estate agents, although at least M&S have recently started making an effort and its paying off for them -30% growth in food sales. Right now I've got packs of British fruit and veg from named farmers in Kent in my fridge - but I bet they were picked by Romanians because no Brits want to do that kind of work. The fact is that the vast majority of EU citizens who arrive are young well-educated and want to work. They are going to help pay the pensions of the ageing population. That is also a big issue, is it not? I agree that infrastructure and housing supply is a big issue, and some people on CL helped me understand it better. But simplistic populist solutions such as "get out of the EU" are just that, they have unintended consequences and I'm surprised you don't see the dangers of them.
Perhaps you could tell us all what difference it would make to the problems in Calais if we left the EU tomorrow because those desperate people are not EU citizens. Why do you think they are not happy just to stay in France?
Still not a fagpaper between the only two candidates that can get to number 10. I suspect that Cameron and Miliband will both now try to stay visible without rocking any boats. Both in with a shout and they won't want to upset even a single voter.
It's too early for me to do the maths, but last night Nigel Farage said a house was built every 17 minutes for the sole purpose of housing immigrants, just wondering how many houses have been built whilst I've been asleep.
Every 7 minutes actually Chief
Equivalent to 75,000 per annum - given we are only building 100,000 total per annum, he is implying 75% go to new immigrants. Like virtually everything that comes out his mouth I suspect this is unsubstantiated BS.
Maybe he's exaggerated, show me a politician that don't.
If one of the other participants had been able to do some simple maths they could have made him look utterly ridiculous.
It's too early for me to do the maths, but last night Nigel Farage said a house was built every 17 minutes for the sole purpose of housing immigrants, just wondering how many houses have been built whilst I've been asleep.
Every 7 minutes actually Chief
Sorry , I said it was too early, but thanks for providing the right information, so by the time we play Millwall half of my street would be full of foreigners.
I don't think he said a house IS built every 7 minutes he said a house NEEDED to be built every 7 minutes.
The issue under discussion at that point was lack of housing. He also went on to say that Government should give incentives to developers to build on brown field sites rather than green field ones.
Made sense to me.
made sense to me too Len. You don't need to leave the EU to do it, by the way. On the contrary such a building programme might need a whole load more EU citizens with the necessary skills. Reverse flow Auf Wiedersehen Pet...
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If you've been looking at my local rag for good news economic stories then perhaps you also came across plenty of bad news stories too, like the one yesterday about the record numbers of callers for debt advice services in Christchurch (of all places!) or the proliferation of food banks we are seeing in line with everyone else in the UK?
By all means argue the point about the economy on the indicators available, like the removal of our AAA rating which is a fact not an opinion, but please don't suggest I base my views only on a chat with a couple of mates.
Nicola of course will still have to cook Rab's tea.
I was unfair actually because Leanne Wood had the integrity to state that Farage was correct when he said that, while the UK remains a member of the EU, it can do nothing to limit net migration - now running annually at x10 the average prior to the expansion of the EU to include former associates of the Soviet Union.
Uncontrollable net migration is an issue that patently cannot be solved by British legislation alone.
It is not racist to wish to control borders, it is simply that logistically, the infrastructure and housing supply in the areas where most of the population growth is occurring cannot cope.
The issue under discussion at that point was lack of housing. He also went on to say that Government should give incentives to developers to build on brown field sites rather than green field ones.
Made sense to me.
; )
Or atleast till the first '*sit down/stand up* thread appears!
Food has never been more expensive. Gas and electricity prices are still too high and is a scandal. Those two things alone dwarf the income tax changes. Add to that the salary freeze I've been subjected to for the coalition years and the until very recently the theiving price of petrol at the pumps and I'm not sure I can quite view in the same light as "call me Dave" the benefits of his economic plan.
Regarding gas/electric supply; it's so easy to chop and change in the UK to look for the deals, not possibly in France, well not in this part anyway...
Clegg has made it clear he would work in coalition with Cameron in recent days. Does that open the door to more of the same?
How much influence would the SNP have over proceedings alongside Labour?
If everything was done 'fairly' we would have Con / Lab. Then again Charlton might also beat Millwall today but we all know some things in life will just never happen.
It's an out and out lie for Farage (and those who support him) to claim that nothing can be done about migration from the EU. I've already quoted the Polish Foreign Minister pointing out how easy it is to dissuade the most undesirable types (those that @brogip mentioned, and I have every sympathy with him). Also don't call Poland "a former associate" of the Soviet Union in front of Mr Sikorski. "Occupied territory" would be far more accurate. They are now countries who are pulling themselves up by their bootlaces creating new markets for EU exporters. Unfortunately while I see German companies from Bosch to BMW coining it in the Czech republic, the British seem to mainly export estate agents, although at least M&S have recently started making an effort and its paying off for them -30% growth in food sales. Right now I've got packs of British fruit and veg from named farmers in Kent in my fridge - but I bet they were picked by Romanians because no Brits want to do that kind of work. The fact is that the vast majority of EU citizens who arrive are young well-educated and want to work. They are going to help pay the pensions of the ageing population. That is also a big issue, is it not? I agree that infrastructure and housing supply is a big issue, and some people on CL helped me understand it better. But simplistic populist solutions such as "get out of the EU" are just that, they have unintended consequences and I'm surprised you don't see the dangers of them.
Perhaps you could tell us all what difference it would make to the problems in Calais if we left the EU tomorrow because those desperate people are not EU citizens. Why do you think they are not happy just to stay in France?