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England Cricket - Spring 2015 (matches against WI, IRE & NZ)

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    Root almost runs Ali out. Then Ali decides to commit suicide instead and goes for a duck.

    335-5 and a lead of 36.

    Root 92* (121)
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    Brain freeze from Ali. 335-5
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    Hoping root, stokes and buttler get some quick runs, as we'll need plenty of time to try to get WI on this pitch
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    Excellent hundred by Root off 125 balls at a strike rate of 80.

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    Well done Joe. Great knock.
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    McBobbin said:

    Hoping root, stokes and buttler get some quick runs, as we'll need plenty of time to try to get WI on this pitch

    But that really is a legacy of our top three. Between them their S/R of 38 has just mounted pressure on the latter batsmen to make up time.
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    McBobbin said:

    Hoping root, stokes and buttler get some quick runs, as we'll need plenty of time to try to get WI on this pitch

    But that really is a legacy of our top three. Between them their S/R of 38 has just mounted pressure on the latter batsmen to make up time.
    As evidenced by Stokes dismissal - caught at cow corner for 8.
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    Imploding
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    373-6 at close for a lead of 74
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    Root 118* (165)
    Buttler 4* (17)
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    I would recommend, to anyone who hasn't seen it, viewing Marlon Samuels sending Ben Stokes on his way.

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    Very funny from Samuels. Good to see a bit of spice in test cricket
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    The above was after day two
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    Addict addict, you seem to give a lot of cricket chat on here, but don't actually seem to know an awful lot.

    Constantly criticising out batsman seems to be a favourite topic of yours.

    Ballance has proved himself to be a quite wonderful test player so far in His short career. He is a run machine. He scores slowly to start with and then purs on the accelerators when needed. He has now scored something like 8 scores of over 50 in his 10 test match innings.

    You also seem to have a real thing for hating cook. He is our most successful batsman ever in terms of hundreds scored and has now got 4 50's in his last 7 innings. Yes he's not on form, but he's at least scratching around for some important runs while getting that form back. It seems some people would prefer the bloke to fail, when for those that actually recognise quite how good he is, if he can get back to where we know he can be, he is our match winner.

    This pitch in the Caribbean is quite dreadful for fluid batting so I suggest you get behind the boys while they go searching for the win. If you want to carry on criticising go and each Kevin Peterson scratch around for 50 against Glamorgan or stick the IPL on TV.
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    Addict addict, you seem to give a lot of cricket chat on here, but don't actually seem to know an awful lot.

    Constantly criticising out batsman seems to be a favourite topic of yours.

    Ballance has proved himself to be a quite wonderful test player so far in His short career. He is a run machine. He scores slowly to start with and then purs on the accelerators when needed. He has now scored something like 8 scores of over 50 in his 10 test match innings.

    You also seem to have a real thing for hating cook. He is our most successful batsman ever in terms of hundreds scored and has now got 4 50's in his last 7 innings. Yes he's not on form, but he's at least scratching around for some important runs while getting that form back. It seems some people would prefer the bloke to fail, when for those that actually recognise quite how good he is, if he can get back to where we know he can be, he is our match winner.

    This pitch in the Caribbean is quite dreadful for fluid batting so I suggest you get behind the boys while they go searching for the win. If you want to carry on criticising go and each Kevin Peterson scratch around for 50 against Glamorgan or stick the IPL on TV.

    Ballance - there is a place for him but not for Cook, Trott and Ballance. But he also has to learn about tempo because, frankly, Boycott could bat now as he is doing. And he got dropped in his pomp for batting slow. The lad even lets log hops go down the leg side. And I do really hope he does well against NZ and the Aussies but I fear that, if I can work him out without knowing an awful lot about cricket, it won't take them too long either.

    Cook hasn't scored a hundred for England in 62 innings and two years now and has been riding on the back of past glories for a long time now. How long would you like to give him? Perhaps we should count his hundred against the school boys of St Kitts and you could then call it 26 hundreds?

    For a wicket that is so "dreadful for batting" how exactly do you explain Root's innings? He gets his hundred at more the twice the rate of the other three and with such ease too. Where have I criticised him or any of the later batsmen. I haven't. I also recognise that, when you get out your stats and tell us how poor Ali and Stokes' average is when compared to Ballance, you won't take into account circumstance.

    Test cricket has moved on in the same way as one day cricket has and we have to have some (not all) players who can score at a tempo that will give us a winning opportunity. You simply can't have your top three batsmen scoring at 38 for over a day. The wicket is slow but anything but unplayable.

    In fact, the pitch was constantly being described as a "featherbed". Now, as my knowledge of cricket is clearly not as great as yours I thought I would look up its definition and this is what I found:

    A pitch that is slow and soft and has a predictable bounce is termed as a Featherbed. Such a pitch is very easy for batting and very tough for bowling as the bowler does not get any assistance from the surface.

    And I do much prefer to watch England playing Test cricket. But that doesn't mean I have to accept our performance against what is one of the worst Test playing and especially bowling sides of all time. Only Roach has an average of less than 37 with Bishoo and Samuels, who have bowled 62 overs in this innings between them having averages 40 and 57 respectively. Warne and Murali they ain't.

    I'm really pleased that you are enjoying it so much though.

    Best post I have read in this thread, I agree with every word. The benchmark for Test Cricket at the moment is Australia. They bat with intent from the beginning of the innings to the end. This puts pressure on the opposition bowlers and they score quickly enough to set themselves up with the chance to win. They are also blessed with having a raft of top class bowlers in Harris, Starc, Johnson, Siddle, Hazlewood, Cummins, Coulter- Nile, Pattinson etc. Our top three batsmen are too slow.Also our seamers are too similar, oh for a left arm fast bowler who can bowl at 90 MPH.

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    The Samuels send off is absolute quality. Served Stokes right for sure!!
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    dickplumb said:

    Addict addict, you seem to give a lot of cricket chat on here, but don't actually seem to know an awful lot.

    Constantly criticising out batsman seems to be a favourite topic of yours.

    Ballance has proved himself to be a quite wonderful test player so far in His short career. He is a run machine. He scores slowly to start with and then purs on the accelerators when needed. He has now scored something like 8 scores of over 50 in his 10 test match innings.

    You also seem to have a real thing for hating cook. He is our most successful batsman ever in terms of hundreds scored and has now got 4 50's in his last 7 innings. Yes he's not on form, but he's at least scratching around for some important runs while getting that form back. It seems some people would prefer the bloke to fail, when for those that actually recognise quite how good he is, if he can get back to where we know he can be, he is our match winner.

    This pitch in the Caribbean is quite dreadful for fluid batting so I suggest you get behind the boys while they go searching for the win. If you want to carry on criticising go and each Kevin Peterson scratch around for 50 against Glamorgan or stick the IPL on TV.

    Ballance - there is a place for him but not for Cook, Trott and Ballance. But he also has to learn about tempo because, frankly, Boycott could bat now as he is doing. And he got dropped in his pomp for batting slow. The lad even lets log hops go down the leg side. And I do really hope he does well against NZ and the Aussies but I fear that, if I can work him out without knowing an awful lot about cricket, it won't take them too long either.

    Cook hasn't scored a hundred for England in 62 innings and two years now and has been riding on the back of past glories for a long time now. How long would you like to give him? Perhaps we should count his hundred against the school boys of St Kitts and you could then call it 26 hundreds?

    For a wicket that is so "dreadful for batting" how exactly do you explain Root's innings? He gets his hundred at more the twice the rate of the other three and with such ease too. Where have I criticised him or any of the later batsmen. I haven't. I also recognise that, when you get out your stats and tell us how poor Ali and Stokes' average is when compared to Ballance, you won't take into account circumstance.

    Test cricket has moved on in the same way as one day cricket has and we have to have some (not all) players who can score at a tempo that will give us a winning opportunity. You simply can't have your top three batsmen scoring at 38 for over a day. The wicket is slow but anything but unplayable.

    In fact, the pitch was constantly being described as a "featherbed". Now, as my knowledge of cricket is clearly not as great as yours I thought I would look up its definition and this is what I found:

    A pitch that is slow and soft and has a predictable bounce is termed as a Featherbed. Such a pitch is very easy for batting and very tough for bowling as the bowler does not get any assistance from the surface.

    And I do much prefer to watch England playing Test cricket. But that doesn't mean I have to accept our performance against what is one of the worst Test playing and especially bowling sides of all time. Only Roach has an average of less than 37 with Bishoo and Samuels, who have bowled 62 overs in this innings between them having averages 40 and 57 respectively. Warne and Murali they ain't.

    I'm really pleased that you are enjoying it so much though.

    Best post I have read in this thread, I agree with every word. The benchmark for Test Cricket at the moment is Australia. They bat with intent from the beginning of the innings to the end. This puts pressure on the opposition bowlers and they score quickly enough to set themselves up with the chance to win. They are also blessed with having a raft of top class bowlers in Harris, Starc, Johnson, Siddle, Hazlewood, Cummins, Coulter- Nile, Pattinson etc. Our top three batsmen are too slow.Also our seamers are too similar, oh for a left arm fast bowler who can bowl at 90 MPH.

    Aside from the Ballance comments (which I think everyone knows my stance), I agree with virtually everything you two have said.I don't think you can argue with someone who has scored 50+ in 8 of his last 10 innings (could be wrong there, just a stat I heard) - but, also ,I don't think you can put a direct comparison between the way OZ play to the way we do - after all, you are generally going to get truer wickets in OZ which allows for batsmen to be more expansive earlier. A damp April Wednesday in Chester-Le-Street isn't exactly going to be conducive to belligerent/dynamic batsmanship is it? - and conversely, because wickets in OZ are truer, this breeds bowlers who have to do something different to get batsmen out - ie. bowl at 90+. As long as we provide conditions/wickets that will assist medium paced dobbas then we aint got no chance!
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    dickplumb said:

    Addict addict, you seem to give a lot of cricket chat on here, but don't actually seem to know an awful lot.

    Constantly criticising out batsman seems to be a favourite topic of yours.

    Ballance has proved himself to be a quite wonderful test player so far in His short career. He is a run machine. He scores slowly to start with and then purs on the accelerators when needed. He has now scored something like 8 scores of over 50 in his 10 test match innings.

    You also seem to have a real thing for hating cook. He is our most successful batsman ever in terms of hundreds scored and has now got 4 50's in his last 7 innings. Yes he's not on form, but he's at least scratching around for some important runs while getting that form back. It seems some people would prefer the bloke to fail, when for those that actually recognise quite how good he is, if he can get back to where we know he can be, he is our match winner.

    This pitch in the Caribbean is quite dreadful for fluid batting so I suggest you get behind the boys while they go searching for the win. If you want to carry on criticising go and each Kevin Peterson scratch around for 50 against Glamorgan or stick the IPL on TV.

    Ballance - there is a place for him but not for Cook, Trott and Ballance. But he also has to learn about tempo because, frankly, Boycott could bat now as he is doing. And he got dropped in his pomp for batting slow. The lad even lets log hops go down the leg side. And I do really hope he does well against NZ and the Aussies but I fear that, if I can work him out without knowing an awful lot about cricket, it won't take them too long either.

    Cook hasn't scored a hundred for England in 62 innings and two years now and has been riding on the back of past glories for a long time now. How long would you like to give him? Perhaps we should count his hundred against the school boys of St Kitts and you could then call it 26 hundreds?

    For a wicket that is so "dreadful for batting" how exactly do you explain Root's innings? He gets his hundred at more the twice the rate of the other three and with such ease too. Where have I criticised him or any of the later batsmen. I haven't. I also recognise that, when you get out your stats and tell us how poor Ali and Stokes' average is when compared to Ballance, you won't take into account circumstance.

    Test cricket has moved on in the same way as one day cricket has and we have to have some (not all) players who can score at a tempo that will give us a winning opportunity. You simply can't have your top three batsmen scoring at 38 for over a day. The wicket is slow but anything but unplayable.

    In fact, the pitch was constantly being described as a "featherbed". Now, as my knowledge of cricket is clearly not as great as yours I thought I would look up its definition and this is what I found:

    A pitch that is slow and soft and has a predictable bounce is termed as a Featherbed. Such a pitch is very easy for batting and very tough for bowling as the bowler does not get any assistance from the surface.

    And I do much prefer to watch England playing Test cricket. But that doesn't mean I have to accept our performance against what is one of the worst Test playing and especially bowling sides of all time. Only Roach has an average of less than 37 with Bishoo and Samuels, who have bowled 62 overs in this innings between them having averages 40 and 57 respectively. Warne and Murali they ain't.

    I'm really pleased that you are enjoying it so much though.

    Best post I have read in this thread, I agree with every word. The benchmark for Test Cricket at the moment is Australia. They bat with intent from the beginning of the innings to the end. This puts pressure on the opposition bowlers and they score quickly enough to set themselves up with the chance to win. They are also blessed with having a raft of top class bowlers in Harris, Starc, Johnson, Siddle, Hazlewood, Cummins, Coulter- Nile, Pattinson etc. Our top three batsmen are too slow.Also our seamers are too similar, oh for a left arm fast bowler who can bowl at 90 MPH.

    Absolutely! But for me all this could be remedied by doing a few basic things... For example rotating the strike! Sure, if you get a good ball block, and you don't want to be wafting at balls outside off stump, but if there is a ball that your playing at you need to know where the gaps on the field are, (there are always gaps in test cricket) and hit them, run a single! If you do this 2/3 times an over, as well as hitting the bad balls you can have a run rate of 4/5 an over instead of 2 and with very little extra risk!

    And then you start dictating to the bowlers, you get on top and they start moving the field around which creates more gaps and suddenly scoring is easier! There is nothing to be gained by letting bowlers dominate! It's even better when you have that left right combination at the top of the order as it upsets bowlers lines...
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    dickplumb said:

    Addict addict, you seem to give a lot of cricket chat on here, but don't actually seem to know an awful lot.

    Constantly criticising out batsman seems to be a favourite topic of yours.

    Ballance has proved himself to be a quite wonderful test player so far in His short career. He is a run machine. He scores slowly to start with and then purs on the accelerators when needed. He has now scored something like 8 scores of over 50 in his 10 test match innings.

    You also seem to have a real thing for hating cook. He is our most successful batsman ever in terms of hundreds scored and has now got 4 50's in his last 7 innings. Yes he's not on form, but he's at least scratching around for some important runs while getting that form back. It seems some people would prefer the bloke to fail, when for those that actually recognise quite how good he is, if he can get back to where we know he can be, he is our match winner.

    This pitch in the Caribbean is quite dreadful for fluid batting so I suggest you get behind the boys while they go searching for the win. If you want to carry on criticising go and each Kevin Peterson scratch around for 50 against Glamorgan or stick the IPL on TV.

    Ballance - there is a place for him but not for Cook, Trott and Ballance. But he also has to learn about tempo because, frankly, Boycott could bat now as he is doing. And he got dropped in his pomp for batting slow. The lad even lets log hops go down the leg side. And I do really hope he does well against NZ and the Aussies but I fear that, if I can work him out without knowing an awful lot about cricket, it won't take them too long either.

    Cook hasn't scored a hundred for England in 62 innings and two years now and has been riding on the back of past glories for a long time now. How long would you like to give him? Perhaps we should count his hundred against the school boys of St Kitts and you could then call it 26 hundreds?

    For a wicket that is so "dreadful for batting" how exactly do you explain Root's innings? He gets his hundred at more the twice the rate of the other three and with such ease too. Where have I criticised him or any of the later batsmen. I haven't. I also recognise that, when you get out your stats and tell us how poor Ali and Stokes' average is when compared to Ballance, you won't take into account circumstance.

    Test cricket has moved on in the same way as one day cricket has and we have to have some (not all) players who can score at a tempo that will give us a winning opportunity. You simply can't have your top three batsmen scoring at 38 for over a day. The wicket is slow but anything but unplayable.

    In fact, the pitch was constantly being described as a "featherbed". Now, as my knowledge of cricket is clearly not as great as yours I thought I would look up its definition and this is what I found:

    A pitch that is slow and soft and has a predictable bounce is termed as a Featherbed. Such a pitch is very easy for batting and very tough for bowling as the bowler does not get any assistance from the surface.

    And I do much prefer to watch England playing Test cricket. But that doesn't mean I have to accept our performance against what is one of the worst Test playing and especially bowling sides of all time. Only Roach has an average of less than 37 with Bishoo and Samuels, who have bowled 62 overs in this innings between them having averages 40 and 57 respectively. Warne and Murali they ain't.

    I'm really pleased that you are enjoying it so much though.

    Best post I have read in this thread, I agree with every word. The benchmark for Test Cricket at the moment is Australia. They bat with intent from the beginning of the innings to the end. This puts pressure on the opposition bowlers and they score quickly enough to set themselves up with the chance to win. They are also blessed with having a raft of top class bowlers in Harris, Starc, Johnson, Siddle, Hazlewood, Cummins, Coulter- Nile, Pattinson etc. Our top three batsmen are too slow.Also our seamers are too similar, oh for a left arm fast bowler who can bowl at 90 MPH.

    Absolutely! But for me all this could be remedied by doing a few basic things... For example rotating the strike! Sure, if you get a good ball block, and you don't want to be wafting at balls outside off stump, but if there is a ball that your playing at you need to know where the gaps on the field are, (there are always gaps in test cricket) and hit them, run a single! If you do this 2/3 times an over, as well as hitting the bad balls you can have a run rate of 4/5 an over instead of 2 and with very little extra risk!

    And then you start dictating to the bowlers, you get on top and they start moving the field around which creates more gaps and suddenly scoring is easier! There is nothing to be gained by letting bowlers dominate! It's even better when you have that left right combination at the top of the order as it upsets bowlers lines...
    Easier said than done ! - I think when Johnson is bowling at your bonce at 95mph, the last thing on your mind is going to be lets nudge him for a single! If it were me, my first thought would be to get head out of the way, then get my bat out of the way- and play as little as possible.
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    Addict addict, you seem to give a lot of cricket chat on here, but don't actually seem to know an awful lot.

    Constantly criticising out batsman seems to be a favourite topic of yours.

    Ballance has proved himself to be a quite wonderful test player so far in His short career. He is a run machine. He scores slowly to start with and then purs on the accelerators when needed. He has now scored something like 8 scores of over 50 in his 10 test match innings.

    You also seem to have a real thing for hating cook. He is our most successful batsman ever in terms of hundreds scored and has now got 4 50's in his last 7 innings. Yes he's not on form, but he's at least scratching around for some important runs while getting that form back. It seems some people would prefer the bloke to fail, when for those that actually recognise quite how good he is, if he can get back to where we know he can be, he is our match winner.

    This pitch in the Caribbean is quite dreadful for fluid batting so I suggest you get behind the boys while they go searching for the win. If you want to carry on criticising go and each Kevin Peterson scratch around for 50 against Glamorgan or stick the IPL on TV.

    i dont know either of you but i do get the impression that AA DOES know quite a bit about the subject

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    Big_Bob said:

    The Samuels send off is absolute quality. Served Stokes right for sure!!

    This. If he gets fined its a travesty. Whats worse?, Samuels giving you a salute?, or Warner giving you shit all day with that monkey snarling face of his?.
    Almost as quality, was Stokes 'catch' and throw back to Samuels when he was throwing back to the keeper.
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    I think we need Riviera to settle this one....
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    There is more than one way to skin a cat.

    Australia are very good with bat and ball on fast, bouncy wickets - but put them on slower pitches and they are half the side.

    They got smashed 4-0 in India and could not buy a run because those wickets require patience and reserve, you cannot just go and club the ball to all parts.

    We then turned them over 3-0 as well - and I just don't buy this 'false score line' stuff, nobody loses a 5 Test series 3-0 unless they deserve to.

    The pitches in West Indies, for the most part, are not conducive to really exciting Cricket because they lack any real zip - I doubt that even Johnson would do much on these.

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    MrOneLung said:

    I think we need Riviera to settle this one....

    A pleasure:
    Addick Addict knows a hell of a lot about cricket, football and horse racing. Maybe he does come across a bit negative at times and this annoys me too, but we all have our own persona. My only real criticism of him is that too many of his opinions are based on statistics. Stats don't lie, but then they don't always tell the whole truth either.
    In fact I would say AA is one of, if not the most, knowledgeable about sport on the whole forum; apart from me of course.
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    Big_Bob said:

    The Samuels send off is absolute quality. Served Stokes right for sure!!

    This. If he gets fined its a travesty. Whats worse?, Samuels giving you a salute?, or Warner giving you shit all day with that monkey snarling face of his?.
    Almost as quality, was Stokes 'catch' and throw back to Samuels when he was throwing back to the keeper.
    i like stokes attitude but i hope he would have learnt a lesson getting over involved with the opposition when batting and that shot he played from getting out ...hes an "edgy" character but hes gotta and i hope he will

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    I can confirm that AA knows his stuff re cricket !
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