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The quicker throw-ins last season proved the point. When we rehearse and play attacking moves, we actually get nearer the box to frighten the opponents.
Our former keeper, Elliot, was coached to kick a low-trajectory, laser-like ball to our attacker: it was rehearsed and it was accurate. Now, by contrast, when Henderson has the ball, there is a stop. The whole world seizes up. Semaphore arms are waved from America to Asia: players troop from one side of the pitch to the other. We are 0-0 at home.
Our static attackers don't have the ball, yet they should close down defenders in the way Church does, sprinting and blocking. Vetokele, all season, simply hasn't been coached the mental skill to run ten yards in anticipation. Good players make their own momentum: they shouldn't need coaching from ValleyGary.
Look again at how we played at home against Derby early last August. Absolutely rampant, on fire, fizzing such that after ten minutes their defenders were blaming each other.
We won.
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colin1961 said:
If they think Jackson can replace buyons and play that role then we are in trouble ....cabbles said:
Good news for you Colin is that at this rate Captain Jackson will be a starter for surecolin1961 said:
Why alarm bells ringing ,,, lot of players can't move till July 1st and you don't want to play your hand to soon .....Addicted said:Just to be clear, I dont want us to sign 20 players. I want us to sign 10, of a decent quality. Alarm bells are ringing because we dont need just 3-4 signings like many other teams in this division. We need far more, therefore logically should start far earlier.
I dont doubt that we'll start the season with centre backs. If we sell our current 2 though we'll need 3 decent signings in that position.
I dont doubt we'll start the season with more than 1 winger. Again though, if the 2 we have go then we'll need 3-4 decent signings.
A right back.
A left back.
2-3 centre mids.
At least 1 striker.
Seems like a lot of work and a fair few positions to be covered by unknowns. We've been here before, it doesn't work out well if you wait.
Plenty of time , most signings won't happen till pre season starts
Buyens.colin1961 said:
If they think Jackson can replace buyons and play that role then we are in trouble ....cabbles said:
Good news for you Colin is that at this rate Captain Jackson will be a starter for surecolin1961 said:
Why alarm bells ringing ,,, lot of players can't move till July 1st and you don't want to play your hand to soon .....Addicted said:Just to be clear, I dont want us to sign 20 players. I want us to sign 10, of a decent quality. Alarm bells are ringing because we dont need just 3-4 signings like many other teams in this division. We need far more, therefore logically should start far earlier.
I dont doubt that we'll start the season with centre backs. If we sell our current 2 though we'll need 3 decent signings in that position.
I dont doubt we'll start the season with more than 1 winger. Again though, if the 2 we have go then we'll need 3-4 decent signings.
A right back.
A left back.
2-3 centre mids.
At least 1 striker.
Seems like a lot of work and a fair few positions to be covered by unknowns. We've been here before, it doesn't work out well if you wait.
Plenty of time , most signings won't happen till pre season starts4 -
Thanks but doesn't say that we're in for him.c4fcdenmark said:
http://m.sevenoakschronicle.co.uk/Charlton-young-ace-released-Arsenal-return/story-26673005-detail/story.htmlHenry Irving said:
Where's this from. Seen he's been released but who is saying he's coming back?c4fcdenmark said:Semi Ajayi Released by arsenal and on his way back to Charlton. Adam Le Fondre rumour still persisting.
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CharltonLife's very own Brendan Rogers.Viewfinder said:The quicker throw-ins last season proved the point. When we rehearse and play attacking moves, we actually get nearer the box to frighten the opponents.
Our former keeper, Elliot, was coached to kick a low-trajectory, laser-like ball to our attacker: it was rehearsed and it was accurate. Now, by contrast, when Henderson has the ball, there is a stop. The whole world seizes up. Semaphore arms are waved from America to Asia: players troop from one side of the pitch to the other. We are 0-0 at home.
Our static attackers don't have the ball, yet they should close down defenders in the way Church does, sprinting and blocking. Vetokele, all season, simply hasn't been coached the mental skill to run ten yards in anticipation. Good players make their own momentum: they shouldn't need coaching from ValleyGary.
Look again at how we played at home against Derby early last August. Absolutely rampant, on fire, fizzing such that after ten minutes their defenders were blaming each other.
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It's just a rumour!Henry Irving said:
Thanks but doesn't say that we're in for him.c4fcdenmark said:
http://m.sevenoakschronicle.co.uk/Charlton-young-ace-released-Arsenal-return/story-26673005-detail/story.htmlHenry Irving said:
Where's this from. Seen he's been released but who is saying he's coming back?c4fcdenmark said:Semi Ajayi Released by arsenal and on his way back to Charlton. Adam Le Fondre rumour still persisting.
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Not really even that.c4fcdenmark said:
It's just a rumour!Henry Irving said:
Thanks but doesn't say that we're in for him.c4fcdenmark said:
http://m.sevenoakschronicle.co.uk/Charlton-young-ace-released-Arsenal-return/story-26673005-detail/story.htmlHenry Irving said:
Where's this from. Seen he's been released but who is saying he's coming back?c4fcdenmark said:Semi Ajayi Released by arsenal and on his way back to Charlton. Adam Le Fondre rumour still persisting.
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Interesting, thoughtful post .. yes, remember that the manager also has a LOT to do with Bournemouth's recent success and the fact that the majority of Bournemouth's squad is English .. and YES I am aware of Kermorgant's role within the team .. Bournemouth could be the 'New Wimbledon' circa the Wise, Fashanu, Jones, Bassett era .. BUT look what happened to them when Sam Hamman (not to be confused with Sam The Sham and the Pharaohs .. Woolly Boolly) decided to no longer foot the overdraft bill .. I am hoping that our owner with his conservative approach, which admittedly is a frustration to many of the more gung ho CAFC fans, is looking for success and development on a longer term scale .. admittedly, a little success now would not go amiss and not all bread today, jam tomorrowViewfinder said:Alex Dyer - and Powell implicitly - blew the gaff on Duchatelet's scouting system. It comprises a pair of 35-year-old suits in an office near an airport, high on a generation of frantic video games, staring at replays and tapping out performance stats.
Anyone who actually watches football in the flesh knows we played badly last season. The midfield is vapid. We lose possession and the defence wobbles - and when we advance it's a triumph to string three accurate passes together.
Bournemouth were on their knees just a few seasons ago: virtually penniless and heading for the Conference. Look at them at The Valley in May: strong, quick, instinctive, ruthless. Three-nil.
The south-coast resort is cosy retirement home between golf club, sand dunes, and the crematorium. Charlton, in contrast, have a rich history, a grand stadium, and terrific support.
The Belgian industrialist and the Russian oligarch are each unimaginably wealthy. The difference between mid-table torpor and glorious promotion is that one owner purses his lips and shuffles hopeful possibilities - while the other pays for an intelligent manager, inspiring coaches, and effective players.5 -
Don't think many on here are particularly gung ho, and I don't think RD's conservative approach is a problem. The frustration for me is that bad decisions are made under his leadership - three months of last season wasted while we worked our way through 3 different reserve keepers. When it became apparent that Pope wasn't ready, we should have brought in a loan keeper with a reasonable amount of experience who could hold the fort for the duration of Henderson's absence. We've also wasted around £700k on Polish Pete - I guarantee that Phil Chapple could give you a list as long as his arm of players we could get for £700k who would be up to the job.Lincsaddick said:
I am hoping that our owner with his conservative approach, which admittedly is a frustration to many of the more gung ho CAFC fans, is looking for success and development on a longer term scale .. admittedly, a little success now would not go amiss and not all bread today, jam tomorrowViewfinder said:Alex Dyer - and Powell implicitly - blew the gaff on Duchatelet's scouting system. It comprises a pair of 35-year-old suits in an office near an airport, high on a generation of frantic video games, staring at replays and tapping out performance stats.
Anyone who actually watches football in the flesh knows we played badly last season. The midfield is vapid. We lose possession and the defence wobbles - and when we advance it's a triumph to string three accurate passes together.
Bournemouth were on their knees just a few seasons ago: virtually penniless and heading for the Conference. Look at them at The Valley in May: strong, quick, instinctive, ruthless. Three-nil.
The south-coast resort is cosy retirement home between golf club, sand dunes, and the crematorium. Charlton, in contrast, have a rich history, a grand stadium, and terrific support.
The Belgian industrialist and the Russian oligarch are each unimaginably wealthy. The difference between mid-table torpor and glorious promotion is that one owner purses his lips and shuffles hopeful possibilities - while the other pays for an intelligent manager, inspiring coaches, and effective players.9 -
"... Looking for success and development on a longer term scale..." I often wonder if you and others on this forum actually go to The Valley and enjoy football.Lincsaddick said:
Interesting, thoughtful post .. yes, remember that the manager also has a LOT to do with Bournemouth's recent success and the fact that the majority of Bournemouth's squad is English .. and YES I am aware of Kermorgant's role within the team .. Bournemouth could be the 'New Wimbledon' circa the Wise, Fashanu, Jones, Bassett era .. BUT look what happened to them when Sam Hamman (not to be confused with Sam The Sham and the Pharaohs .. Woolly Boolly) decided to no longer foot the overdraft bill .. I am hoping that our owner with his conservative approach, which admittedly is a frustration to many of the more gung ho CAFC fans, is looking for success and development on a longer term scale .. admittedly, a little success now would not go amiss and not all bread today, jam tomorrowViewfinder said:Alex Dyer - and Powell implicitly - blew the gaff on Duchatelet's scouting system. It comprises a pair of 35-year-old suits in an office near an airport, high on a generation of frantic video games, staring at replays and tapping out performance stats.
Anyone who actually watches football in the flesh knows we played badly last season. The midfield is vapid. We lose possession and the defence wobbles - and when we advance it's a triumph to string three accurate passes together.
Bournemouth were on their knees just a few seasons ago: virtually penniless and heading for the Conference. Look at them at The Valley in May: strong, quick, instinctive, ruthless. Three-nil.
The south-coast resort is cosy retirement home between golf club, sand dunes, and the crematorium. Charlton, in contrast, have a rich history, a grand stadium, and terrific support.
The Belgian industrialist and the Russian oligarch are each unimaginably wealthy. The difference between mid-table torpor and glorious promotion is that one owner purses his lips and shuffles hopeful possibilities - while the other pays for an intelligent manager, inspiring coaches, and effective players.
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Still no runours. Still a lot of old bollox being spoken. 49 pages in.10
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Lohda Olah Bolucs, don't he play in the Juniper 2 league for Strolling Belgique?markmc68 said:Still no runours. Still a lot of old bollox being spoken. 49 pages in.
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In the last couple of seasons the network seems to have made some glaring errors then pulled a rabbit out of the hat. Clearly we want less of the former and more of the latter next season, but we won't know until we see evidence as both are equally as likely IMO.0
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In the good old days, we had to wait until Thursdays to hear about any speculation or news of signings. That's when the Kentish Independent, Mercury and Kentish Times were published. The interweb has made us more impatient, IMHO.5
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In the good old days you didn't know about anyone signing until the club announced it._MrDick said:In the good old days, we had to wait until Thursdays to hear about any speculation or news of signings. That's when the Kentish Independent, Mercury and Kentish Times were published. The interweb has made us more impatient, IMHO.
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It's a valid point, and I'm sure there's some truth in it. However, I have always been impatient, even back in the good old days. That's why I always got sucked in by the Clubcall Headlines - "International striker set to sign? (the answer usually being "no"), "Curbs on transfer chase" ("we've not signed anyone yet, but we probably will before too long"), "Big money signing imminent?" ("no")._MrDick said:In the good old days, we had to wait until Thursdays to hear about any speculation or news of signings. That's when the Kentish Independent, Mercury and Kentish Times were published. The interweb has made us more impatient, IMHO.
It was impatience that my resulted in my not getting any pocket money for two months in the early '90's. I think we've always been impatient, it's just easier to indulge the impatience now.3 -
and that was usually one ne player every 5 seasons or so ((:>)Ross said:
In the good old days you didn't know about anyone signing until the club announced it._MrDick said:In the good old days, we had to wait until Thursdays to hear about any speculation or news of signings. That's when the Kentish Independent, Mercury and Kentish Times were published. The interweb has made us more impatient, IMHO.
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I remember when I saw we had signed John Bumstead on the back page of the Mercury... Oh the giddy excitement of it all!3
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I too was a bit over excited when there was talk of Chris Malkin signing for actual money in our 95/96 play off season. I was just use to such sparse transfer talk that if there were any sniffs of rumours I was all over it. Many a premium rate call racked up on my dad's landline. You'd be desperate for that transfer news but would have to spend 5 mins listening to some interview Steve Gritt gave post Oxford away or somethingMrLargo said:
It's a valid point, and I'm sure there's some truth in it. However, I have always been impatient, even back in the good old days. That's why I always got sucked in by the Clubcall Headlines - "International striker set to sign? (the answer usually being "no"), "Curbs on transfer chase" ("we've not signed anyone yet, but we probably will before too long"), "Big money signing imminent?" ("no")._MrDick said:In the good old days, we had to wait until Thursdays to hear about any speculation or news of signings. That's when the Kentish Independent, Mercury and Kentish Times were published. The interweb has made us more impatient, IMHO.
It was impatience that my resulted in my not getting any pocket money for two months in the early '90's. I think we've always been impatient, it's just easier to indulge the impatience now.4 -
Exactly that! Sat in the lounge with a clock in front of me, knowing I've already done 6 minutes and all I've learned is that Kim Grant's thigh strain is responding well to treatment, and the reserves are playing a behind-closed-doors friendly against Colchester on Wednesday morning!cabbles said:
I too was a bit over excited when there was talk of Chris Malkin signing for actual money in our 95/96 play off season. I was just use to such sparse transfer talk that if there were any sniffs of rumours I was all over it. Many a premium rate call racked up on my dad's landline. You'd be desperate for that transfer news but would have to spend 5 mins listening to some interview Steve Gritt gave post Oxford away or somethingMrLargo said:
It's a valid point, and I'm sure there's some truth in it. However, I have always been impatient, even back in the good old days. That's why I always got sucked in by the Clubcall Headlines - "International striker set to sign? (the answer usually being "no"), "Curbs on transfer chase" ("we've not signed anyone yet, but we probably will before too long"), "Big money signing imminent?" ("no")._MrDick said:In the good old days, we had to wait until Thursdays to hear about any speculation or news of signings. That's when the Kentish Independent, Mercury and Kentish Times were published. The interweb has made us more impatient, IMHO.
It was impatience that my resulted in my not getting any pocket money for two months in the early '90's. I think we've always been impatient, it's just easier to indulge the impatience now.
I think I remember Chris Malkin - fell through due to a failed medical I think. He went to Scumwall and we signed Bradley Allen instead. Great days!
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Yes I think he was at Millwall. Personally I think it was in the days when transfers weren't as mature as they are now. By that I mean we'd just moved back to the Valley and all our money had been tied up in that, hence why we only got Paul Mortimer and David Whyte + 60K in a swap deal for Pitcher. I think Curbs and the system back then was coming out of a cold war type environment. We had transfers prior to returning to the Valley, Tommy Caton from Oxford say, then went a few years without anyone because all funds were being diverted to back to the Valley.MrLargo said:
Exactly that! Sat in the lounge with a clock in front of me, knowing I've already done 6 minutes and all I've learned is that Kim Grant's thigh strain is responding well to treatment, and the reserves are playing a behind-closed-doors friendly against Colchester on Wednesday morning!cabbles said:
I too was a bit over excited when there was talk of Chris Malkin signing for actual money in our 95/96 play off season. I was just use to such sparse transfer talk that if there were any sniffs of rumours I was all over it. Many a premium rate call racked up on my dad's landline. You'd be desperate for that transfer news but would have to spend 5 mins listening to some interview Steve Gritt gave post Oxford away or somethingMrLargo said:
It's a valid point, and I'm sure there's some truth in it. However, I have always been impatient, even back in the good old days. That's why I always got sucked in by the Clubcall Headlines - "International striker set to sign? (the answer usually being "no"), "Curbs on transfer chase" ("we've not signed anyone yet, but we probably will before too long"), "Big money signing imminent?" ("no")._MrDick said:In the good old days, we had to wait until Thursdays to hear about any speculation or news of signings. That's when the Kentish Independent, Mercury and Kentish Times were published. The interweb has made us more impatient, IMHO.
It was impatience that my resulted in my not getting any pocket money for two months in the early '90's. I think we've always been impatient, it's just easier to indulge the impatience now.
I think I remember Chris Malkin - fell through due to a failed medical I think. He went to Scumwall and we signed Bradley Allen instead. Great days!
When we finally had a bit of money we panicked with who we were linked with.
I also think the same is true of us. You and I are testament to that with our obsessive behaviour on clubcall. I mean what did we expect to hear. Young adolescents so hopeful we're about to sign someone0 -
Think the Pitcher deal was a decent bit of business - possibly didn't feel like it at the time as Pitcher's agent had managed to hype up his talents quite a bit, but he wasn't as great as he thought he was and Whyte and Mortimer would probably get into my all time favourite 11.cabbles said:
Yes I think he was at Millwall. Personally I think it was in the days when transfers weren't as mature as they are now. By that I mean we'd just moved back to the Valley and all our money had been tied up in that, hence why we only got Paul Mortimer and David Whyte + 60K in a swap deal for Pitcher. I think Curbs and the system back then was coming out of a cold war type environment. We had transfers prior to returning to the Valley, Tommy Caton from Oxford say, then went a few years without anyone because all funds were being diverted to back to the Valley.MrLargo said:
Exactly that! Sat in the lounge with a clock in front of me, knowing I've already done 6 minutes and all I've learned is that Kim Grant's thigh strain is responding well to treatment, and the reserves are playing a behind-closed-doors friendly against Colchester on Wednesday morning!cabbles said:
I too was a bit over excited when there was talk of Chris Malkin signing for actual money in our 95/96 play off season. I was just use to such sparse transfer talk that if there were any sniffs of rumours I was all over it. Many a premium rate call racked up on my dad's landline. You'd be desperate for that transfer news but would have to spend 5 mins listening to some interview Steve Gritt gave post Oxford away or somethingMrLargo said:
It's a valid point, and I'm sure there's some truth in it. However, I have always been impatient, even back in the good old days. That's why I always got sucked in by the Clubcall Headlines - "International striker set to sign? (the answer usually being "no"), "Curbs on transfer chase" ("we've not signed anyone yet, but we probably will before too long"), "Big money signing imminent?" ("no")._MrDick said:In the good old days, we had to wait until Thursdays to hear about any speculation or news of signings. That's when the Kentish Independent, Mercury and Kentish Times were published. The interweb has made us more impatient, IMHO.
It was impatience that my resulted in my not getting any pocket money for two months in the early '90's. I think we've always been impatient, it's just easier to indulge the impatience now.
I think I remember Chris Malkin - fell through due to a failed medical I think. He went to Scumwall and we signed Bradley Allen instead. Great days!
When we finally had a bit of money we panicked with who we were linked with.
I also think the same is true of us. You and I are testament to that with our obsessive behaviour on clubcall. I mean what did we expect to hear. Young adolescents so hopeful we're about to sign someone
Curbs (and Gritt) picked up some absolute bargains in the early 90's though - Robinson, Nelson, Keith Jones for example, must have had about 700 games from those 3, combined transfer fees not much more than £300k.3 -
Very true. I also thought about something similar with Juve. Their whole midfield cost 11m. Ross McCormack cost Fulham 11.4 - crazyMrLargo said:
Think the Pitcher deal was a decent bit of business - possibly didn't feel like it at the time as Pitcher's agent had managed to hype up his talents quite a bit, but he wasn't as great as he thought he was and Whyte and Mortimer would probably get into my all time favourite 11.cabbles said:
Yes I think he was at Millwall. Personally I think it was in the days when transfers weren't as mature as they are now. By that I mean we'd just moved back to the Valley and all our money had been tied up in that, hence why we only got Paul Mortimer and David Whyte + 60K in a swap deal for Pitcher. I think Curbs and the system back then was coming out of a cold war type environment. We had transfers prior to returning to the Valley, Tommy Caton from Oxford say, then went a few years without anyone because all funds were being diverted to back to the Valley.MrLargo said:
Exactly that! Sat in the lounge with a clock in front of me, knowing I've already done 6 minutes and all I've learned is that Kim Grant's thigh strain is responding well to treatment, and the reserves are playing a behind-closed-doors friendly against Colchester on Wednesday morning!cabbles said:
I too was a bit over excited when there was talk of Chris Malkin signing for actual money in our 95/96 play off season. I was just use to such sparse transfer talk that if there were any sniffs of rumours I was all over it. Many a premium rate call racked up on my dad's landline. You'd be desperate for that transfer news but would have to spend 5 mins listening to some interview Steve Gritt gave post Oxford away or somethingMrLargo said:
It's a valid point, and I'm sure there's some truth in it. However, I have always been impatient, even back in the good old days. That's why I always got sucked in by the Clubcall Headlines - "International striker set to sign? (the answer usually being "no"), "Curbs on transfer chase" ("we've not signed anyone yet, but we probably will before too long"), "Big money signing imminent?" ("no")._MrDick said:In the good old days, we had to wait until Thursdays to hear about any speculation or news of signings. That's when the Kentish Independent, Mercury and Kentish Times were published. The interweb has made us more impatient, IMHO.
It was impatience that my resulted in my not getting any pocket money for two months in the early '90's. I think we've always been impatient, it's just easier to indulge the impatience now.
I think I remember Chris Malkin - fell through due to a failed medical I think. He went to Scumwall and we signed Bradley Allen instead. Great days!
When we finally had a bit of money we panicked with who we were linked with.
I also think the same is true of us. You and I are testament to that with our obsessive behaviour on clubcall. I mean what did we expect to hear. Young adolescents so hopeful we're about to sign someone
Curbs (and Gritt) picked up some absolute bargains in the early 90's though - Robinson, Nelson, Keith Jones for example, must have had about 700 games from those 3, combined transfer fees not much more than £300k.1 -
Grumpy old bloke and a half empty glass would be truly representative mascots.Beckboy said:
Can someone design 10 new players please and send them into the clubHenry Irving said:two to be announced on Friday http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/charlton-new-mascots-revealed-friday-2487686.aspx
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A half empty flask, surely?sm said:
Grumpy old bloke and a half empty glass would be truly representative mascots.Beckboy said:
Can someone design 10 new players please and send them into the clubHenry Irving said:two to be announced on Friday http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/charlton-new-mascots-revealed-friday-2487686.aspx
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I've got to the point where I know that "16 new" posts certainly won't mean that even a single rumour has been posted... Yet I still open the thread. Why?4
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So you can post and trick other idiots like me into thinking your post could be the "one".AidenTheAddick said:I've got to the point where I know that "16 new" posts certainly won't mean that even a single rumour has been posted... Yet I still open the thread. Why?
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