No pace, poor control if he's starting for us next season we will struggle.
If he's starting for us next season, it would be proof that our coaching staff are rediculously talented, verging on the miraculous. If he's starting some place in Hungary…
Not looking good is it so far? If we are already missing out on top championship players due to our refusal to pay the going rate in wages, it means roly is not prepared to push the boat out. Back to getting in leige outcasts and more foreign mercenaries. It is no wonder JBG and Gomez will leave when mid table appears to be utopia to Roland.
Desire to break even = lack of investment = mediocrity.
Back to getting in leige outcasts and more foreign mercenaries. It is no wonder JBG and Gomez will leave...
Don't mean to let facts get in the way of anybody's wallowing, but:
- The Liege loan players that finished the season at CAFC (Buyens and Bulot) were demonstrably successful. In fact if you count Watt and Tal as 'Liege outcasts', that makes up debatably four of our strongest players.
- Can't think of a single foreign player at the club that fits the description of 'mercenary'? Did anybody seem to be there just for a pay day?
Not looking good is it so far? If we are already missing out on top championship players due to our refusal to pay the going rate in wages, it means roly is not prepared to push the boat out. Back to getting in leige outcasts and more foreign mercenaries. It is no wonder JBG and Gomez will leave when mid table appears to be utopia to Roland.
Desire to break even = lack of investment = mediocrity.
When Harriot is on form he is good for Championship level. The problem is his consistency. We know he can score goals and has pace, but his head drops very quickly. 750k is not a bad price for him at all. He is good but not great and certainly not irreplaceable.
There is no way we are releasing all the players and making others available for transfer unless we have plans for bringing people in. RD is not going to let his mate Luzon start the season with a weakened squad and only with untested youth players. The players we brought in last year came in and made a difference. Most not heard of but still came good. I'm sure the scouts are looking for the right kinds of players, for the right price and with the right attitude. The last thing we need is overpaid players who come in a rock the boat. We need team players. I think most of those who came in last season did that.
As for not paying enough wages for players of a certain level my understanding is Watt and Vetokele are on a pretty decent wages each so its not as though we won't pay the wages, its probably more a case of we won't pay high wages for just anyone to make up the numbers which is sensible and has always been the case even in Curbs day.
I'm not concerned about the lack of transfers yet at all. I will be more worried if we get to the first preseason game with none, but that's a long way off yet.
When contracts end on July 1st, we will see movement - we do every year! I also think Bulot will be sold to us. We have the makings of a good team, and we do need some new (good) blood, but there is no point paying £30k or £40k a week to someone like Darren Bent (much as I'd love to have him back...) when that will simply mean we lose double what we are currently losing a year. The signings of Igor and Johann show that there are good players out there willing to fight for an opportunity to showcase themselves and hope to get to play Premiership football as a result. We just need a couple more of these, plus some experienced pro's, and we should be fine.
Not looking good is it so far? If we are already missing out on top championship players due to our refusal to pay the going rate in wages, it means roly is not prepared to push the boat out. Back to getting in leige outcasts and more foreign mercenaries. It is no wonder JBG and Gomez will leave when mid table appears to be utopia to Roland.
Desire to break even = lack of investment = mediocrity.
Alright then everyone, this is the overreaction to beat. The bar has been set
Not looking good is it so far? If we are already missing out on top championship players due to our refusal to pay the going rate in wages, it means roly is not prepared to push the boat out. Back to getting in leige outcasts and more foreign mercenaries. It is no wonder JBG and Gomez will leave when mid table appears to be utopia to Roland.
Desire to break even = lack of investment = mediocrity.
QPR are looking at £750,000 rated Charlton winger Callum Harriot. The wideman, 21, is also being tracked by Wolves and Huddersfield. From the Sun
I hope the deal includes a pre season friendly at home next season...
If QPR sign Harriot and sell/release Shaun Wright-Phillips it'll be from the frying pan into the fire, albeit that Harriot is a cheaper rasher of bacon than is W-P
When contracts end on July 1st, we will see movement - we do every year! I also think Bulot will be sold to us. We have the makings of a good team, and we do need some new (good) blood, but there is no point paying £30k or £40k a week to someone like Darren Bent (much as I'd love to have him back...) when that will simply mean we lose double what we are currently losing a year. The signings of Igor and Johann show that there are good players out there willing to fight for an opportunity to showcase themselves and hope to get to play Premiership football as a result. We just need a couple more of these, plus some experienced pro's, and we should be fine.
Thing is, don't you think that every team will be looking for these players? Its not as easy as picking out a list of cheap, good, young and hungry players that nobody else knows about.
Current rate of signing success under Roland is about 50%. If we need 10 players that means we need to sign 20, or change our approach of gambling on untested young foreign players.
I can't think of many managers/owners who don't average out as better than 50% success rate, signing wise in all honesty. For every resounding success there's a flop, most of them are perfectly decent and do a job we need doing. Which manager's signings am I describing? Well, it could be any except maybe Pardew or Dowie who spent vastly more than the average for no better results. Even Powell signed a few duds in his time.
When contracts end on July 1st, we will see movement - we do every year! I also think Bulot will be sold to us. We have the makings of a good team, and we do need some new (good) blood, but there is no point paying £30k or £40k a week to someone like Darren Bent (much as I'd love to have him back...) when that will simply mean we lose double what we are currently losing a year. The signings of Igor and Johann show that there are good players out there willing to fight for an opportunity to showcase themselves and hope to get to play Premiership football as a result. We just need a couple more of these, plus some experienced pro's, and we should be fine.
Thing is, don't you think that every team will be looking for these players? Its not as easy as picking out a list of cheap, good, young and hungry players that nobody else knows about.
Current rate of signing success under Roland is about 50%. If we need 10 players that means we need to sign 20, or change our approach of gambling on untested young foreign players.
A few alarm bells are ringing.
I agree. And 50% is possibly being generous.
For all the good work (at the Valley, the new training ground, when and if it happens, the financial stability and not being Spiv brothers) that the RD has donethere is still a huge question mark over both the incoming and outgoing player deals.
When contracts end on July 1st, we will see movement - we do every year! I also think Bulot will be sold to us. We have the makings of a good team, and we do need some new (good) blood, but there is no point paying £30k or £40k a week to someone like Darren Bent (much as I'd love to have him back...) when that will simply mean we lose double what we are currently losing a year. The signings of Igor and Johann show that there are good players out there willing to fight for an opportunity to showcase themselves and hope to get to play Premiership football as a result. We just need a couple more of these, plus some experienced pro's, and we should be fine.
Thing is, don't you think that every team will be looking for these players? Its not as easy as picking out a list of cheap, good, young and hungry players that nobody else knows about.
Current rate of signing success under Roland is about 50%. If we need 10 players that means we need to sign 20, or change our approach of gambling on untested young foreign players.
A few alarm bells are ringing.
Why? It's early still...Yes of course other teams are in the same boat, but maybe they have different requirements (not every Championship club has a paucity of centre backs...)?
I guess a lot comes own to how much supporters want the club in debt; it'll be great for Roland to splash the cash, buy 20 players at over the odds, hope ten come good, and sell the rest at a loss when they fail. But that is not sustainable unless it could guarantee promotion, which it will not. Better still to build slowly; get the infrastructure right; bring on the great crop of youngsters we have; have a firm base from which to move on from that is not going to bankrupt the club in a couple of years time.
Nobody ever said it would be easy, or smooth! But it is pretty much exactly the same as the position we were in last year, albeit with a lot stronger base than 12 months ago.
Just to be clear, I dont want us to sign 20 players. I want us to sign 10, of a decent quality. Alarm bells are ringing because we dont need just 3-4 signings like many other teams in this division. We need far more, therefore logically should start far earlier.
I dont doubt that we'll start the season with centre backs. If we sell our current 2 though we'll need 3 decent signings in that position.
I dont doubt we'll start the season with more than 1 winger. Again though, if the 2 we have go then we'll need 3-4 decent signings.
A right back.
A left back.
2-3 centre mids.
At least 1 striker.
Seems like a lot of work and a fair few positions to be covered by unknowns. We've been here before, it doesn't work out well if you wait.
Who is selecting our targets ? I know Phil Chapple is chief scout but I don't think for one moment that players we are signing (Lepoint) and being linked with are being identified by Phil. You have to consider that thinking Reza, Piotr and several others that have cost very good money is pretty poor scouting. This needs to be addressed pdq. The money wasted could have bought at least one very good quality championship player.
Just to be clear, I dont want us to sign 20 players. I want us to sign 10, of a decent quality. Alarm bells are ringing because we dont need just 3-4 signings like many other teams in this division. We need far more, therefore logically should start far earlier.
I dont doubt that we'll start the season with centre backs. If we sell our current 2 though we'll need 3 decent signings in that position.
I dont doubt we'll start the season with more than 1 winger. Again though, if the 2 we have go then we'll need 3-4 decent signings.
A right back.
A left back.
2-3 centre mids.
At least 1 striker.
Seems like a lot of work and a fair few positions to be covered by unknowns. We've been here before, it doesn't work out well if you wait.
I agree pretty much, but what we as fans don't know is what the club already has lined up? For all we know, we may have signed a couple of wingers, two centre halves, and a cheap young right back? As with previous years, the announcements come when contracts end, and when the new deal is worked out between parties. The key date is the end of this month, when contracts expire. Then we will see some movement... if we haven't signed anyone by the start of August, I'll be panicking alongside you!
Why would you not want to play your hand too soon col? It's signings not uno.
True we may have loads signed up already. Part of me thinks if the paperwork was done and we're waiting for the date then we'd announce it though? Bit like Liverpool did with Ings and Milner.
Anyway I'm probably filling my pants for no reason. Got married on Sat and first day back at work today so on a bit of a downer!
We'll know how much productive leg work has been done behind the scenes on the 1st.
Just to be clear, I dont want us to sign 20 players. I want us to sign 10, of a decent quality. Alarm bells are ringing because we dont need just 3-4 signings like many other teams in this division. We need far more, therefore logically should start far earlier.
I dont doubt that we'll start the season with centre backs. If we sell our current 2 though we'll need 3 decent signings in that position.
I dont doubt we'll start the season with more than 1 winger. Again though, if the 2 we have go then we'll need 3-4 decent signings.
A right back.
A left back.
2-3 centre mids.
At least 1 striker.
Seems like a lot of work and a fair few positions to be covered by unknowns. We've been here before, it doesn't work out well if you wait.
It would be impressive to sign twenty players of Messi like quality, or even ten. I get the excitement of new signings pregnant with potential. However I want to gently return to one of my interests at Charlton and that is the pathway of Academy players into the first team, and the promotion of those players. I absolutely understand the hit and miss nature regarding the risks of playing younger players (I thought Paul Linger for example, or Sam Appiah would make it), but I would argue that at Charlton we have a good record in regard to producing credible footballers. If we ever see the development of Sparrows Lane and the attendant boost to our youth system (and a huge enrichment of our community work), then there has to be a point to it all. One point would be relatively low level churning for a bit of dosh here and there throughout the network, but for me the absolute priority ought to be developing quality players for our first team. If a Charlton Athletic player is 'one of our own' I unashamedly admit to loving it, and being more forgiving in their direction. Morgan Fox is one I have high regard for, and indeed I have a fondness for Calum Harriott too, and I am thrilled about the potential of Joe Gomez and others. I suppose my point is that yes we need some signings, but they must be of quality, otherwise I would rather see indifferent performances from our young guys than aged overpaid mercenaries. If LePoint is to keep Oliver Muldoon out of the picture he'd better be blimmin good and worth it.
If we had signings to announce then we'd announce them. The fact contracts run out 30 June is neither here or there. You just say xyz is signing from 1 July. I'm not worried yet though, plenty of time to go.
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If he's starting some place in Hungary…
Oh.
And
http://the72.co.uk/28902/charlton-chasing-belgian-striker/
The wideman, 21, is also being tracked by Wolves and Huddersfield.
From the Sun
Desire to break even = lack of investment = mediocrity.
cafcnick1992 Member
June 9 edited June 9
get a few of the Ivory Coast women in
Can't they get us all one ?
- The Liege loan players that finished the season at CAFC (Buyens and Bulot) were demonstrably successful. In fact if you count Watt and Tal as 'Liege outcasts', that makes up debatably four of our strongest players.
- Can't think of a single foreign player at the club that fits the description of 'mercenary'? Did anybody seem to be there just for a pay day?
There is no way we are releasing all the players and making others available for transfer unless we have plans for bringing people in. RD is not going to let his mate Luzon start the season with a weakened squad and only with untested youth players. The players we brought in last year came in and made a difference. Most not heard of but still came good. I'm sure the scouts are looking for the right kinds of players, for the right price and with the right attitude. The last thing we need is overpaid players who come in a rock the boat. We need team players. I think most of those who came in last season did that.
As for not paying enough wages for players of a certain level my understanding is Watt and Vetokele are on a pretty decent wages each so its not as though we won't pay the wages, its probably more a case of we won't pay high wages for just anyone to make up the numbers which is sensible and has always been the case even in Curbs day.
I'm not concerned about the lack of transfers yet at all. I will be more worried if we get to the first preseason game with none, but that's a long way off yet.
Current rate of signing success under Roland is about 50%. If we need 10 players that means we need to sign 20, or change our approach of gambling on untested young foreign players.
A few alarm bells are ringing.
https://twitter.com/karimmanagement/status/608561603081068544
For all the good work (at the Valley, the new training ground, when and if it happens, the financial stability and not being Spiv brothers) that the RD has donethere is still a huge question mark over both the incoming and outgoing player deals.
The bumpy ride continues
I guess a lot comes own to how much supporters want the club in debt; it'll be great for Roland to splash the cash, buy 20 players at over the odds, hope ten come good, and sell the rest at a loss when they fail. But that is not sustainable unless it could guarantee promotion, which it will not. Better still to build slowly; get the infrastructure right; bring on the great crop of youngsters we have; have a firm base from which to move on from that is not going to bankrupt the club in a couple of years time.
Nobody ever said it would be easy, or smooth! But it is pretty much exactly the same as the position we were in last year, albeit with a lot stronger base than 12 months ago.
I dont doubt that we'll start the season with centre backs. If we sell our current 2 though we'll need 3 decent signings in that position.
I dont doubt we'll start the season with more than 1 winger. Again though, if the 2 we have go then we'll need 3-4 decent signings.
A right back.
A left back.
2-3 centre mids.
At least 1 striker.
Seems like a lot of work and a fair few positions to be covered by unknowns. We've been here before, it doesn't work out well if you wait.
True we may have loads signed up already. Part of me thinks if the paperwork was done and we're waiting for the date then we'd announce it though? Bit like Liverpool did with Ings and Milner.
Anyway I'm probably filling my pants for no reason. Got married on Sat and first day back at work today so on a bit of a downer!
We'll know how much productive leg work has been done behind the scenes on the 1st.
However I want to gently return to one of my interests at Charlton and that is the pathway of Academy players into the first team, and the promotion of those players. I absolutely understand the hit and miss nature regarding the risks of playing younger players (I thought Paul Linger for example, or Sam Appiah would make it), but I would argue that at Charlton we have a good record in regard to producing credible footballers.
If we ever see the development of Sparrows Lane and the attendant boost to our youth system (and a huge enrichment of our community work), then there has to be a point to it all. One point would be relatively low level churning for a bit of dosh here and there throughout the network, but for me the absolute priority ought to be developing quality players for our first team.
If a Charlton Athletic player is 'one of our own' I unashamedly admit to loving it, and being more forgiving in their direction. Morgan Fox is one I have high regard for, and indeed I have a fondness for Calum Harriott too, and I am thrilled about the potential of Joe Gomez and others.
I suppose my point is that yes we need some signings, but they must be of quality, otherwise I would rather see indifferent performances from our young guys than aged overpaid mercenaries. If LePoint is to keep Oliver Muldoon out of the picture he'd better be blimmin good and worth it.