'Charlton Athletic may be one team on the potential relegation candidates list for many next season'
Jesus, it's only bloody June and we finished 12th last season.
I was thinking the same thing. Anything can happen in football so I have no idea how someone can make these predictions
They've probably been looking at the bookmakers odds where, for some unfathomable reason, we are second favourites for relegation.
Yeah the bookies have Bristol City and The Wendies 11 and 12..... There is no logical reason we should be predicted 2nd from bottom
Yes there is.
Odds based on money wagered.
Stick a grand on Charlton and the odds will move.
Markets like this are versatile but there is still research and analysis that goes into the original odds. If a horse comes with a reputation and good breeding then it's odds will be short before a penny is wagered.
last year we were odds on to go down and the year before blah blah blah. One northern whippet muncher "expert pundit) said we would only get 18 points--twonk. a good few WON money on us being in the top half (near thing that) .
Massive negative on blogs etc at the moment yet FECK all has happened in our league yet let alone CAFC.
Last year we got in
Igor Watt JB Buyens Bulet Bikey TBH
none of which any of us predicted(or even herd of) and the vast majority of which either did an exultant job or pretty well.
early days
Of those in your list four have gone and another looks likely to leave. I do agree it's early though and not worried in the slightest yet.
'Charlton Athletic may be one team on the potential relegation candidates list for many next season'
Jesus, it's only bloody June and we finished 12th last season.
I was thinking the same thing. Anything can happen in football so I have no idea how someone can make these predictions
They've probably been looking at the bookmakers odds where, for some unfathomable reason, we are second favourites for relegation.
Yeah the bookies have Bristol City and The Wendies 11 and 12..... There is no logical reason we should be predicted 2nd from bottom
Yes there is.
Odds based on money wagered.
Stick a grand on Charlton and the odds will move.
Markets like this are versatile but there is still research and analysis that goes into the original odds. If a horse comes with a reputation and good breeding then it's odds will be short before a penny is wagered.
'Charlton Athletic may be one team on the potential relegation candidates list for many next season'
Jesus, it's only bloody June and we finished 12th last season.
I was thinking the same thing. Anything can happen in football so I have no idea how someone can make these predictions
They've probably been looking at the bookmakers odds where, for some unfathomable reason, we are second favourites for relegation.
Yeah the bookies have Bristol City and The Wendies 11 and 12..... There is no logical reason we should be predicted 2nd from bottom
Yes there is.
Odds based on money wagered.
Stick a grand on Charlton and the odds will move.
Markets like this are versatile but there is still research and analysis that goes into the original odds. If a horse comes with a reputation and good breeding then it's odds will be short before a penny is wagered.
Like the sound of Bauer. Hopefully we aren't hearing too much about signings because we are going 'Old school Charlton' and only announcing them when they happen, which is always the best way to do business, if you can.
Btw - you can still get odds of 11/4 on Charlton for a top half finish on Skybet - I decided that was too good to miss and have chucked some cash on it....hopefully we are aiming for the play offs at least, but even if we miss out, we should hopefully at least finish in the top half.....
Btw - you can still get odds of 11/4 on Charlton for a top half finish on Skybet - I decided that was too good to miss and have chucked some cash on it....hopefully we are aiming for the play offs at least, but even if we miss out, we should hopefully at least finish in the top half.....
Copy that. CTU will set up a five block perimeter around The Valley and send in a tac team. The lives of thousands of American citizens could depend on this!
Have heard Nick Pope should be going back to Bury on a season long loan. Would be good to see him get regular football in League 1.
I'd be delighted with that. A term in League One is exactly what is needed for the player but losing him permanently would be a huge mistake for the club.
If Bauer joins, then he has got to have the number 24 shirt in the squad. Jordan Cousins currently has the shirt, and should be getting a lower number shirt.
No. Position Player 1 Republic of Ireland GK Stephen Henderson (3rd captain) 3 England DF Joe Gomez 4 England MF Johnnie Jackson (captain) 6 Cameroon DF André Bikey 7 Iceland MF Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson 10 Belgium MF Franck Moussa 11 England MF Callum Harriott 12 France MF Alou Diarra 14 Angola FW Igor Vetokele 16 Wales DF Rhoys Wiggins 20 England DF Chris Solly (vice-captain) 21 Wales DF Morgan Fox 23 England FW Joe Pigott 24 England MF Jordan Cousins 30 England GK Nick Pope 31 England DF Harry Lennon 32 Scotland FW Tony Watt 36 Serbia GK Marko Dmitrović 40 Belgium MF Christophe Lepoint 43 England FW Karlan Ahearne-Grant
-- France DF Loïc Nego -- Iran FW Reza Ghoochannejhad -- Poland FW Piotr Parzyszek
In other news 6 foot 5 31 year old Austrian striker Mark Janko scored against Russia with an overhead kick today, currently without a club. He could be good foil for Watt and Vetokele, and shouldn't be too expensive as his last club was Sydney FC
@MrBoywunder: Paul Joyce - #LFC have entered the race to sign Charlton defender Joe Gomez (18) & will look to see off competition Arsenal & City.
@MrBoywunder: Paul Joyce - He can play CB/RB, he is seen as one for the future. LFC want to conclude a deal. Charlton want a package that may reach £8m.
@MrBoywunder: Paul Joyce - It's possible Gomez could be sent on loan to ensure the development. Although, LFC could opt to play him in the Europa League.
Joe Gomez' dad has been brought in to the equation. Someone on Twitter reckons they spoke to his dad on Friday and he confirmed he'd gone to Liverpool.
Joe Gomez' dad has been brought in to the equation. Someone on Twitter reckons they spoke to his dad on Friday and he confirmed he'd gone to Liverpool.
Given the Delort saga with his dad, expect him to sign for Arsenal, 2 months later than first thought
Liverpool sources seem to think it's a done deal. Whether it's Liverpool or another club, it's pretty disappointing to see him go at such a young age. I just hope we can negotiate a good deal.
I pray he's not just another player who'll get lost in a "big club" academy. Could be the most successful CAFC academy product ever if his development is handled in the right way.
£8m up front and all spent by RD on Charlton, not Standard etc, would be decent. Would love to see Joe progress with us but we need to progress as a club first. Spend more Kinsella than Hasselbaink, and £8m would build a promotion pushing team.
I had heard that JG's dad was errrm active in 'advising' him, and shall we say is ambitious, in ironic contrast to Gus Poyet who advised Diego to stay. Gus was interested in Diego's best position in terms of his football development, maybe Mr Gomez is similarly well placed to offer advice like the aforementioned Uraguyan international and Premiership star. I am not surprised to hear now about paternal influence. I imagine, if true, that the pitiful 8 million is the maximum the deal could be worth with all the bells and whistles if it all goes to plan some years down the line. Not exactly sweating the asset in my view. However playing on a season at Charlton would actually be appropriate to Joe's footballing development, it would be a drag watching him and all the time knowing he is leaving, and for peanuts too.
I had heard that JG's dad was errrm active in 'advising' him, and shall we say is ambitious, in ironic contrast to Gus Poyet who advised Diego to stay. Gus was interested in Diego's best position in terms of his football development, maybe Mr Gomez is similarly well placed to offer advice like the aforementioned Uraguyan international and Premiership star. I am not surprised to hear now about paternal influence. I imagine, if true, that the pitiful 8 million is the maximum the deal could be worth with all the bells and whistles if it all goes to plan some years down the line. Not exactly sweating the asset in my view. However playing on a season at Charlton would actually be appropriate to Joe's footballing development, it would be a drag watching him and all the time knowing he is leaving, and for peanuts too.
Agree with your appraisal though he is still in the unproven category for the premiership. He is young and his full potential is unknown, how many Charlton young 'stars' have made it on the big stage to be 8 million pound players? Certainly not Shelvey, or Jenkinson. Parker's sale for 10M probably stopped us getting into Europe but was he ever worth that as a player in his supposed prime?
Even if we sell him for 6 million plus add ons. It would be one of top five transfer fees of all time for an under 20 English centre back. Not to mention in the top twenty of all time if you factor in other nationalities. We have to remember he has less than a years experience in the championship. I think as a fan (including myself), we have a tendency to overinflate the value of our players in the market because of our fondness for the player.
£8m up front and all spent by RD on Charlton, not Standard etc, would be decent. Would love to see Joe progress with us but we need to progress as a club first. Spend more Kinsella than Hasselbaink, and £8m would build a promotion pushing team.
This! Whether it's £3,5 or 8m and whether Gudmundsson goes too our club will have progressed in just 18 months. For we will have travelled from bottom six losing £6m a year (since we left the FAPL) to a mid-table club close to break even.
This sends a variety of messages: we become attractive to young players as a route to the top; we will stay in business for I'm certain that some clubs will crash; and we can pay bigger contracts for top young talent to ensure we maintain progress. Better players cost and they assist the squad in pushing on... For instance retaining Bulot will be expensive.
To some fans it will most definitely look like a step back, but as long as every area of the squad is improved this summer then this looks like progress to me, just as the sales of Bowyer and later Danny Mills funded the club in the 90s.
I had heard that JG's dad was errrm active in 'advising' him, and shall we say is ambitious, in ironic contrast to Gus Poyet who advised Diego to stay. Gus was interested in Diego's best position in terms of his football development, maybe Mr Gomez is similarly well placed to offer advice like the aforementioned Uraguyan international and Premiership star. I am not surprised to hear now about paternal influence. I imagine, if true, that the pitiful 8 million is the maximum the deal could be worth with all the bells and whistles if it all goes to plan some years down the line. Not exactly sweating the asset in my view. However playing on a season at Charlton would actually be appropriate to Joe's footballing development, it would be a drag watching him and all the time knowing he is leaving, and for peanuts too.
Agree with your appraisal though he is still in the unproven category for the premiership. He is young and his full potential is unknown, how many Charlton young 'stars' have made it on the big stage to be 8 million pound players? Certainly not Shelvey, or Jenkinson. Parker's sale for 10M probably stopped us getting into Europe but was he ever worth that as a player in his supposed prime?
Both Shelvey and Jenkinson are £8m players. Both full internationals and regulars in the top flight. Parker was a top flight regular for over ten years, an England international for some time and played in the Champions league for Spurs.
£8m up front and all spent by RD on Charlton, not Standard etc, would be decent. Would love to see Joe progress with us but we need to progress as a club first. Spend more Kinsella than Hasselbaink, and £8m would build a promotion pushing team.
This! Whether it's £3,5 or 8m and whether Gudmundsson goes too our club will have progressed in just 18 months. For we will have travelled from bottom six losing £6m a year (since we left the FAPL) to a mid-table club close to break even.
This sends a variety of messages: we become attractive to young players as a route to the top; we will stay in business for I'm certain that some clubs will crash; and we can pay bigger contracts for top young talent to ensure we maintain progress. Better players cost and they assist the squad in pushing on... For instance retaining Bulot will be expensive.
To some fans it will most definitely look like a step back, but as long as every area of the squad is improved this summer then this looks like progress to me, just as the sales of Bowyer and later Danny Mills funded the club in the 90s.
We lost what, £8M last season? Yet if we sell for £3.5M we are close to break even? I wish I. Had your bank balance. I have been going for 30+ years and he is certainly top 3 best academy players we will have bought through in that time. PL TV money has sky rocketed since we last sold a decent young player, so should transfer fees being demanded.
Anyway, nothing is done or even publicly acknowledged yet so I will wait and see.
Ps, we were a mid-table club last season. With the money/debt/losses in the Championship I think the days of building slowly and with stability have gone. Teams will go from top half to bottom three and vice versa much quicker from now on I feel.
West Ham want to sign QPR striker Charlie Austin, as do Southampton and Newcastle United, as the relegated Premier League club look to raise £15m from his sale. (London Evening Standard) (From BBC Site)
£15 million for a proven striker/goal scorer who is in the full England squad .. by that benchmark, realistically, how much can we expect Gomez to go for now, as he is as yet still a callow and relatively untried teenager ?
West Ham want to sign QPR striker Charlie Austin, as do Southampton and Newcastle United, as the relegated Premier League club look to raise £15m from his sale. (London Evening Standard) (From BBC Site)
£15 million for a proven striker/goal scorer who is in the full England squad .. by that benchmark, how much can we expect Gomez to go for now, as he is as yet still a callow and relatively untried teenager ?
Answer - £15 mil. Works out at just £1mil a year playing in the top 6 of the premier league, champions league and England. Absolute bargain.
hold on everyone didn't that nice Mr Murray say that one of the advantages of having RD as owner is that we don't have to sell our young players but can hang on to them for a while and get a better price eventually, after all Gomez is on a long contract and doesn't need to go anywhere
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Bauer sounds like a decent acquisition.
Sounds more of an encouraging rumour. A Bauer and Gomez centre back pairing sounds potentially impressive.
Btw - you can still get odds of 11/4 on Charlton for a top half finish on Skybet - I decided that was too good to miss and have chucked some cash on it....hopefully we are aiming for the play offs at least, but even if we miss out, we should hopefully at least finish in the top half.....
No. Position Player
1 Republic of Ireland GK Stephen Henderson (3rd captain)
3 England DF Joe Gomez
4 England MF Johnnie Jackson (captain)
6 Cameroon DF André Bikey
7 Iceland MF Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson
10 Belgium MF Franck Moussa
11 England MF Callum Harriott
12 France MF Alou Diarra
14 Angola FW Igor Vetokele
16 Wales DF Rhoys Wiggins
20 England DF Chris Solly (vice-captain)
21 Wales DF Morgan Fox
23 England FW Joe Pigott
24 England MF Jordan Cousins
30 England GK Nick Pope
31 England DF Harry Lennon
32 Scotland FW Tony Watt
36 Serbia GK Marko Dmitrović
40 Belgium MF Christophe Lepoint
43 England FW Karlan Ahearne-Grant
-- France DF Loïc Nego
-- Iran FW Reza Ghoochannejhad
-- Poland FW Piotr Parzyszek
In other news 6 foot 5 31 year old Austrian striker Mark Janko scored against Russia with an overhead kick today, currently without a club. He could be good foil for Watt and Vetokele, and shouldn't be too expensive as his last club was Sydney FC
@MrBoywunder: Paul Joyce - He can play CB/RB, he is seen as one for the future. LFC want to conclude a deal. Charlton want a package that may reach £8m.
@MrBoywunder: Paul Joyce - It's possible Gomez could be sent on loan to ensure the development. Although, LFC could opt to play him in the Europa League.
Someone on Twitter reckons they spoke to his dad on Friday and he confirmed he'd gone to Liverpool.
I pray he's not just another player who'll get lost in a "big club" academy. Could be the most successful CAFC academy product ever if his development is handled in the right way.
I imagine, if true, that the pitiful 8 million is the maximum the deal could be worth with all the bells and whistles if it all goes to plan some years down the line. Not exactly sweating the asset in my view.
However playing on a season at Charlton would actually be appropriate to Joe's footballing development, it would be a drag watching him and all the time knowing he is leaving, and for peanuts too.
Whether it's £3,5 or 8m and whether Gudmundsson goes too our club will have progressed in just 18 months. For we will have travelled from bottom six losing £6m a year (since we left the FAPL) to a mid-table club close to break even.
This sends a variety of messages: we become attractive to young players as a route to the top; we will stay in business for I'm certain that some clubs will crash; and we can pay bigger contracts for top young talent to ensure we maintain progress. Better players cost and they assist the squad in pushing on... For instance retaining Bulot will be expensive.
To some fans it will most definitely look like a step back, but as long as every area of the squad is improved this summer then this looks like progress to me, just as the sales of Bowyer and later Danny Mills funded the club in the 90s.
Anyway, nothing is done or even publicly acknowledged yet so I will wait and see.
Ps, we were a mid-table club last season. With the money/debt/losses in the Championship I think the days of building slowly and with stability have gone. Teams will go from top half to bottom three and vice versa much quicker from now on I feel.
£15 million for a proven striker/goal scorer who is in the full England squad .. by that benchmark, realistically, how much can we expect Gomez to go for now, as he is as yet still a callow and relatively untried teenager ?
didn't that nice Mr Murray say that one of the advantages of having RD as owner is that we don't have to sell our young players but can hang on to them for a while and get a better price eventually, after all Gomez is on a long contract and doesn't need to go anywhere