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I think that is just Prague Addick blagging a few freebies : - )Scoham said:We've been scouting at the u21 Euros
Seriously, good to see our name there. Surprising number not there though.4 -
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Re. JBG he might sign a new deal with us but if he has real interest from the FAPL then we will have to offer telephone numbers to keep him. Fortunately for us, like Stephens it is in his interests to play to the best of his ability next season for that will get him noticed.
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Agree about we should be scouting there but quite frankly I just don't get this all our players are cheap bullshit. We have paid more out in decent transfer fees since RD took over than we have since we were in the top flight.sam3110 said:I would have been incredibly pissed off if no one from our scouting team was at the euro under 21's, especially as our entire player search seems to follow the three rules of "cheap, young and based in Europe". Also, we have a player out there right now so I'd expect us to be watching him too
If you want to bash Roland find a more accurate and credible way than making comments that are palpably untrue.
Many of our signings last summer were free agents but that doesn't make them cheap.
The other favourite to drop into any thread is the business of January 2014 even though every one of those players have moved on.
With the Gomez money burning a hole is RD's pocket this window could be a big step forwards. We already have 15 decent players and it appears Bulot hasn't shown up to Liege pre-season so let's wait and see.1 -
Yes, Prague Addick is pretending to be a scout as he heard that the scouts will have access to some decent beer!Henry Irving said:
I think that is just Prague Addick blagging a few freebies : - )Scoham said:We've been scouting at the u21 Euros
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SHG I'd brush up on who you are bashing if I were you, I'm a mainstay in the RD supporters camp, I see cheap as a good thing, I'd rather spend 3 million quid on Vetokele than 14 on McCormack, and find it hilarious that a team will gladly spend 35million on a player just because he is English, when for that money you can pretty much take your pick of players across the world (Carroll costing as much as Diego Costa for example)ShootersHillGuru said:
Agree about we should be scouting there but quite frankly I just don't get this all our players are cheap bullshit. We have paid more out in decent transfer fees since RD took over than we have since we were in the top flight.sam3110 said:I would have been incredibly pissed off if no one from our scouting team was at the euro under 21's, especially as our entire player search seems to follow the three rules of "cheap, young and based in Europe". Also, we have a player out there right now so I'd expect us to be watching him too
If you want to bash Roland find a more accurate and credible way than making comments that are palpably untrue.
Young, cheap and based in Europe is a lot better than old, expensive and based in England in my opinion, and I'm glad we have signed Bauer rather than a 30+ ex prem player with nothing to prove
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All very true, especially with the Vetokele and McCormack point, although the reason English players are at a premium is because clubs need to hit their home-grown quotas.sam3110 said:
SHG I'd brush up on who you are bashing if I were you, I'm a mainstay in the RD supporters camp, I see cheap as a good thing, I'd rather spend 3 million quid on Vetokele than 14 on McCormack, and find it hilarious that a team will gladly spend 35million on a player just because he is English, when for that money you can pretty much take your pick of players across the world (Carroll costing as much as Diego Costa for example)ShootersHillGuru said:
Agree about we should be scouting there but quite frankly I just don't get this all our players are cheap bullshit. We have paid more out in decent transfer fees since RD took over than we have since we were in the top flight.sam3110 said:I would have been incredibly pissed off if no one from our scouting team was at the euro under 21's, especially as our entire player search seems to follow the three rules of "cheap, young and based in Europe". Also, we have a player out there right now so I'd expect us to be watching him too
If you want to bash Roland find a more accurate and credible way than making comments that are palpably untrue.
Young, cheap and based in Europe is a lot better than old, expensive and based in England in my opinion, and I'm glad we have signed Bauer rather than a 30+ ex prem player with nothing to prove2 -
Of course we have scouts at the EU21's, our network scouts love the old played youth internationally tag - not that it's a sign of a great player in my books - they seem to think playing at an International youth stage = chance of full International caps so value. Nego, PP, Koc, Thuram etc... rarely will we find a good mould, they're still learning their trade as a player and to chuck them in a much more physical and higher level, the Championship, is a risk. Some will pull off but it's lazy.
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Sorry. I think most of that is nonsense. Of course some won't push on and up but many will. It's a showcase of the players that of their age group are considered by the countries to be the pick of the crop. It would be negligent not to be there.Atletico Addick said:Of course we have scouts at the EU21's, our network scouts love the old played youth internationally tag - not that it's a sign of a great player in my books - they seem to think playing at an International youth stage = chance of full International caps so value. Nego, PP, Koc, Thuram etc... rarely will we find a good mould, they're still learning their trade as a player and to chuck them in a much more physical and higher level, the Championship, is a risk. Some will pull off but it's lazy.
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I didn't state I don't think many won't push on to a higher level. I don't doubt that.ShootersHillGuru said:
Sorry. I think most of that is nonsense. Of course some won't push on and up but many will. It's a showcase of the players that of their age group are considered by the countries to be the pick of the crop. It would be negligent not to be there.Atletico Addick said:Of course we have scouts at the EU21's, our network scouts love the old played youth internationally tag - not that it's a sign of a great player in my books - they seem to think playing at an International youth stage = chance of full International caps so value. Nego, PP, Koc, Thuram etc... rarely will we find a good mould, they're still learning their trade as a player and to chuck them in a much more physical and higher level, the Championship, is a risk. Some will pull off but it's lazy.
I also didn't state we shouldn't be there. I just think it's lazy scouting, it's good as a potential scouting, future scouting - we have signed a handful that aren't ready when these scouts have been thinking they were.. It's not moulded to us, we need some form of consistency in our transfers.
Good for a very almost completed squad addition, not good trying to buy the best talent from any old country's youth system and lob them in. I noticed it very early on and was proved right with the signings I didn't like, it's not right for us. PP being bigged up, the fee paid and then struggling in the U21's was laughable antics, quite embarassing almost - the poor lads probably had his confidence shot from our own owners and scouts misjudgement.1 -
Do you wake up on the wrong side of bed with piss in your cheerios every morning?Atletico Addick said:
I didn't state I don't think many won't push on to a higher level. I don't doubt that.ShootersHillGuru said:
Sorry. I think most of that is nonsense. Of course some won't push on and up but many will. It's a showcase of the players that of their age group are considered by the countries to be the pick of the crop. It would be negligent not to be there.Atletico Addick said:Of course we have scouts at the EU21's, our network scouts love the old played youth internationally tag - not that it's a sign of a great player in my books - they seem to think playing at an International youth stage = chance of full International caps so value. Nego, PP, Koc, Thuram etc... rarely will we find a good mould, they're still learning their trade as a player and to chuck them in a much more physical and higher level, the Championship, is a risk. Some will pull off but it's lazy.
I also didn't state we shouldn't be there. I just think it's lazy scouting, it's good as a potential scouting, future scouting - we have signed a handful that aren't ready when these scouts have been thinking they were.. It's not moulded to us, we need some form of consistency in our transfers.
Good for a very almost completed squad addition, not good trying to buy the best talent from any old country's youth system and lob them in.4 - Sponsored links:
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Luke Garbutt, who played 10 times for Premier League Everton last season as understudy to Leighton Baines is pants and won't 'oust' a Championship level defender? Do you just headbutt your keyboard and see what comes out sometimes?harveys gardener said:Garbutt is pants and won't oust Daniels. All Cherries play goes through Yann so unlikely to replace him unless he proves unable to make the step up which I doubt. Can see Pitman being surplus though.
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For having an opinion on our scouts? Yep that's exactly how I wake up! How'd you guess!?DeeBee said:
Do you wake up on the wrong side of bed with piss in your cheerios every morning?Atletico Addick said:
I didn't state I don't think many won't push on to a higher level. I don't doubt that.ShootersHillGuru said:
Sorry. I think most of that is nonsense. Of course some won't push on and up but many will. It's a showcase of the players that of their age group are considered by the countries to be the pick of the crop. It would be negligent not to be there.Atletico Addick said:Of course we have scouts at the EU21's, our network scouts love the old played youth internationally tag - not that it's a sign of a great player in my books - they seem to think playing at an International youth stage = chance of full International caps so value. Nego, PP, Koc, Thuram etc... rarely will we find a good mould, they're still learning their trade as a player and to chuck them in a much more physical and higher level, the Championship, is a risk. Some will pull off but it's lazy.
I also didn't state we shouldn't be there. I just think it's lazy scouting, it's good as a potential scouting, future scouting - we have signed a handful that aren't ready when these scouts have been thinking they were.. It's not moulded to us, we need some form of consistency in our transfers.
Good for a very almost completed squad addition, not good trying to buy the best talent from any old country's youth system and lob them in.1 -
Eh?DeeBee said:
Do you wake up on the wrong side of bed with piss in your cheerios every morning?Atletico Addick said:
I didn't state I don't think many won't push on to a higher level. I don't doubt that.ShootersHillGuru said:
Sorry. I think most of that is nonsense. Of course some won't push on and up but many will. It's a showcase of the players that of their age group are considered by the countries to be the pick of the crop. It would be negligent not to be there.Atletico Addick said:Of course we have scouts at the EU21's, our network scouts love the old played youth internationally tag - not that it's a sign of a great player in my books - they seem to think playing at an International youth stage = chance of full International caps so value. Nego, PP, Koc, Thuram etc... rarely will we find a good mould, they're still learning their trade as a player and to chuck them in a much more physical and higher level, the Championship, is a risk. Some will pull off but it's lazy.
I also didn't state we shouldn't be there. I just think it's lazy scouting, it's good as a potential scouting, future scouting - we have signed a handful that aren't ready when these scouts have been thinking they were.. It's not moulded to us, we need some form of consistency in our transfers.
Good for a very almost completed squad addition, not good trying to buy the best talent from any old country's youth system and lob them in.
Anyway, I prefer Coco Pops.2 -
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Do you wake up on the wrong side of bed with piss in your cheerios every morning?Atletico Addick said:
I didn't state I don't think many won't push on to a higher level. I don't doubt that.ShootersHillGuru said:
Sorry. I think most of that is nonsense. Of course some won't push on and up but many will. It's a showcase of the players that of their age group are considered by the countries to be the pick of the crop. It would be negligent not to be there.Atletico Addick said:Of course we have scouts at the EU21's, our network scouts love the old played youth internationally tag - not that it's a sign of a great player in my books - they seem to think playing at an International youth stage = chance of full International caps so value. Nego, PP, Koc, Thuram etc... rarely will we find a good mould, they're still learning their trade as a player and to chuck them in a much more physical and higher level, the Championship, is a risk. Some will pull off but it's lazy.
I also didn't state we shouldn't be there. I just think it's lazy scouting, it's good as a potential scouting, future scouting - we have signed a handful that aren't ready when these scouts have been thinking they were.. It's not moulded to us, we need some form of consistency in our transfers.
Good for a very almost completed squad addition, not good trying to buy the best talent from any old country's youth system and lob them in.0 -
So it's lazy scouting to be at the place where every player considered by their countries to be the best of their age are all together in a competitive scenario ?Atletico Addick said:
I didn't state I don't think many won't push on to a higher level. I don't doubt that.ShootersHillGuru said:
Sorry. I think most of that is nonsense. Of course some won't push on and up but many will. It's a showcase of the players that of their age group are considered by the countries to be the pick of the crop. It would be negligent not to be there.Atletico Addick said:Of course we have scouts at the EU21's, our network scouts love the old played youth internationally tag - not that it's a sign of a great player in my books - they seem to think playing at an International youth stage = chance of full International caps so value. Nego, PP, Koc, Thuram etc... rarely will we find a good mould, they're still learning their trade as a player and to chuck them in a much more physical and higher level, the Championship, is a risk. Some will pull off but it's lazy.
I also didn't state we shouldn't be there. I just think it's lazy scouting, it's good as a potential scouting, future scouting - we have signed a handful that aren't ready when these scouts have been thinking they were.. It's not moulded to us, we need some form of consistency in our transfers.
Good for a very almost completed squad addition, not good trying to buy the best talent from any old country's youth system and lob them in. I noticed it very early on and was proved right with the signings I didn't like, it's not right for us. PP being bigged up, the fee paid and then struggling in the U21's was laughable antics, quite embarassing almost - the poor lads probably had his confidence shot from our own owners and scouts misjudgement.
Fair do's.
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Yes. The equivalent of Utd scouts watching World Cup and picking players they want. Of course it's lazy, judging a player at the International stage isn't enough when big money is on the line. They may not even be playing their natural position.ShootersHillGuru said:
So it's lazy scouting to be at the place where every player considered by their countries to be the best of their age are all together in a competitive scenario ?Atletico Addick said:
I didn't state I don't think many won't push on to a higher level. I don't doubt that.ShootersHillGuru said:
Sorry. I think most of that is nonsense. Of course some won't push on and up but many will. It's a showcase of the players that of their age group are considered by the countries to be the pick of the crop. It would be negligent not to be there.Atletico Addick said:Of course we have scouts at the EU21's, our network scouts love the old played youth internationally tag - not that it's a sign of a great player in my books - they seem to think playing at an International youth stage = chance of full International caps so value. Nego, PP, Koc, Thuram etc... rarely will we find a good mould, they're still learning their trade as a player and to chuck them in a much more physical and higher level, the Championship, is a risk. Some will pull off but it's lazy.
I also didn't state we shouldn't be there. I just think it's lazy scouting, it's good as a potential scouting, future scouting - we have signed a handful that aren't ready when these scouts have been thinking they were.. It's not moulded to us, we need some form of consistency in our transfers.
Good for a very almost completed squad addition, not good trying to buy the best talent from any old country's youth system and lob them in. I noticed it very early on and was proved right with the signings I didn't like, it's not right for us. PP being bigged up, the fee paid and then struggling in the U21's was laughable antics, quite embarassing almost - the poor lads probably had his confidence shot from our own owners and scouts misjudgement.
Fair do's.
Anyway that's my opinion that we're hunting in the wrong woods, and our recent history shows that. Look closer to home, we'll have more luck picking the more suited players, just have to look a bit harder.2 -
Serge Gnabry is a loan (from Arse) rumour to us I've heard twice now. Probably just one of 'those' type of rumours though....3
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Could it also be that scouts are watching players they've already scouted at tournaments as well? Just to see how the perform on that stage?2
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Fill our team up with Germans, and we'll be ready for the playoff penalty shoot-out next May!Atletico Addick said:Serge Gnabry is a loan (from Arse) rumour to us I've heard twice now. Probably just one of 'those' type of rumours though....
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It seems quite bizarre to accuse the club scouts (or anyone) of laziness on the basis of what they are doing. Surely the whole nature of laziness is about what one doesn't do. If you've some evidence that our scouts have pitched up us these games having done nothing else all year, then I'd agree thet's lazy scouting. If however, this is seen as one opportunity that's part of a planned and ongoing scouting exercise then there's nothing lazy about it at all. I suspect the latter.5
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Have read that too. Wenger wants him to get more experience at a lower levelAtletico Addick said:Serge Gnabry is a loan (from Arse) rumour to us I've heard twice now. Probably just one of 'those' type of rumours though....
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If it was the only scouting we do than I would agree but I believe we do more, at least Phil Chapple does.1
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Maybe we can do for him what we did for Coquelin?2
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Perhaps lazy isn't the correct phrase I should have used - just not apt for us at the moment as a club. I may be wrong. Let's hope they're doing their homework elsewhere, improving the calibre which they (those in charge) send us from SL is one of the most important at this stage and they must be learning from their past mistakes.Stig said:It seems quite bizarre to accuse the club scouts (or anyone) of laziness on the basis of what they are doing. Surely the whole nature of laziness is about what one doesn't do. If you've some evidence that our scouts have pitched up us these games having done nothing else all year, then I'd agree thet's lazy scouting. If however, this is seen as one opportunity that's part of a planned and ongoing scouting exercise then there's nothing lazy about it at all. I suspect the latter.
Back to le rumours.1 -
Would love Gnabry on a season long loan.6
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I doubt they are or will be judging anyone on just a few games in an international tournament.Atletico Addick said:
Yes. The equivalent of Utd scouts watching World Cup and picking players they want. Of course it's lazy, judging a player at the International stage isn't enough when big money is on the line. They may not even be playing their natural position.ShootersHillGuru said:
So it's lazy scouting to be at the place where every player considered by their countries to be the best of their age are all together in a competitive scenario ?Atletico Addick said:
I didn't state I don't think many won't push on to a higher level. I don't doubt that.ShootersHillGuru said:
Sorry. I think most of that is nonsense. Of course some won't push on and up but many will. It's a showcase of the players that of their age group are considered by the countries to be the pick of the crop. It would be negligent not to be there.Atletico Addick said:Of course we have scouts at the EU21's, our network scouts love the old played youth internationally tag - not that it's a sign of a great player in my books - they seem to think playing at an International youth stage = chance of full International caps so value. Nego, PP, Koc, Thuram etc... rarely will we find a good mould, they're still learning their trade as a player and to chuck them in a much more physical and higher level, the Championship, is a risk. Some will pull off but it's lazy.
I also didn't state we shouldn't be there. I just think it's lazy scouting, it's good as a potential scouting, future scouting - we have signed a handful that aren't ready when these scouts have been thinking they were.. It's not moulded to us, we need some form of consistency in our transfers.
Good for a very almost completed squad addition, not good trying to buy the best talent from any old country's youth system and lob them in. I noticed it very early on and was proved right with the signings I didn't like, it's not right for us. PP being bigged up, the fee paid and then struggling in the U21's was laughable antics, quite embarassing almost - the poor lads probably had his confidence shot from our own owners and scouts misjudgement.
Fair do's.
Anyway that's my opinion that we're hunting in the wrong woods, and our recent history shows that. Look closer to home, we'll have more luck picking the more suited players, just have to look a bit harder.
The club will already have targets that they watched last season that they are now trying to sign. These are more likely to be players that we'll continue to monitor rather than bring in this summer.1 -
We accept your apology ;0)Atletico Addick said:
Perhaps lazy isn't the correct phrase I should have used - just not apt for us at the moment as a club. I may be wrong. Let's hope they're doing their homework elsewhere, improving the calibre which they (those in charge) send us from SL is one of the most important at this stage and they must be learning from their past mistakes.Stig said:It seems quite bizarre to accuse the club scouts (or anyone) of laziness on the basis of what they are doing. Surely the whole nature of laziness is about what one doesn't do. If you've some evidence that our scouts have pitched up us these games having done nothing else all year, then I'd agree thet's lazy scouting. If however, this is seen as one opportunity that's part of a planned and ongoing scouting exercise then there's nothing lazy about it at all. I suspect the latter.
Back to le rumours.
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If someone is paid or their role is to watch footballers and create a dossier on them ,especially young up and coming talent then surely if they wernt at the u21 tournament they are lazy and not doing the best they can ,
Take the England u21 team many are already first team regulars at their parent club or their loan club
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Does he play for Bournemouth?Callumcafc said:Would love Gnabry on a season long loan.
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