Someone who decapitates someone else probably could be described as a troublemaker, yes.
Crazy how people get radicalised and do these horrendous things.
Hopefully the thinly veiled dig at Islam in the post above refers to the radical nut nuts, not your run of the mill normal Muslim who live and work amongst us happily like people of all races and religions etc
Personally think you're a nut nut if you believe in any religion. These are just the extreme nut nuts.
The world is a sick place.
Don't be silly. God only decided to come down to earth after millions of years of dinosaurs and other stuff to speak to a few 'chosen' folk that he decided would be his prophets.
He didn't trust the cavemen or the dinosaurs to spread his word effectively.
Story earlier in the week that some of these maniacs used the strike at Calais to get into the UK.
It's already happened here sadly, with the Lee Rigby situation.
Yup, sure has, all extremely worrying nonetheless.
Weirdly, I don't find myself that worried by it.
Of course it would be horrendous if it does happen again, but I don't let myself worry about it to much because that's what the nutters want.
Just get on with day to day life whilst being vigilant, but don't let it worry you!
Absolutely agree but its such an unnecessary threat. Why, in the 21st century in a developed country, should i have to be vigilant that someone might wanna chop my head off in the name of religion?!
Depressing that this sort of thing now feels so commonplace that I can predict the type of discussion that will take place on this forum before opening the thread.
Story earlier in the week that some of these maniacs used the strike at Calais to get into the UK.
It's already happened here sadly, with the Lee Rigby situation.
Yup, sure has, all extremely worrying nonetheless.
Weirdly, I don't find myself that worried by it.
Of course it would be horrendous if it does happen again, but I don't let myself worry about it to much because that's what the nutters want.
Just get on with day to day life whilst being vigilant, but don't let it worry you!
You're right, of course.
Probably being a bit twitchy as I live in Bexley, not far from the Dover to London motorway. Even find myself looking a bit more intently at people when I go for my run in Danson Park!
Charleston happened last week so I don't think the problem is as simple as you all think. Removing religion from the world won't make too much of an impact with these attacks, the problem is cultural not religious.
Charleston happened last week so I don't think the problem is as simple as you all think. Removing religion from the world won't make too much of an impact with these attacks, the problem is cultural not religious.
People will kill people in the name of anything. Religion, race etc.
This month is Ramadan, the holiest month for Muslims. These "people" are not Muslim, although they'd call themselves that.
Charleston happened last week so I don't think the problem is as simple as you all think. Removing religion from the world won't make too much of an impact with these attacks, the problem is cultural not religious.
These "people" are not Muslim, although they'd call themselves that.
I hope you apply the same logic to us Millwall fans and the unsavoury element among us.
We may not want to acknowledge that these people are of the Islamic faith as it doesn't fit in with how we want to perceive the religion. Not least to protect the moderate and law abiding people that live in harmony alongside us. However, whether we like it or not, they are Islamic and no amount of distancing them from the faith will change that, unfortunately.
Story earlier in the week that some of these maniacs used the strike at Calais to get into the UK.
It's already happened here sadly, with the Lee Rigby situation.
Yup, sure has, all extremely worrying nonetheless.
Weirdly, I don't find myself that worried by it.
Of course it would be horrendous if it does happen again, but I don't let myself worry about it to much because that's what the nutters want.
Just get on with day to day life whilst being vigilant, but don't let it worry you!
I've never felt personally unsafe, just through the laws of probability. I was at college in town during the IRA bombing campaign, I was vigilante but not worried. I rationalised the 7/7 bombings that there were 3 million commuters in London that day, the chance of being one of the 800 is still really low. Its a bugger if you are part of that percentage but not something you can do about or should lose sleep about.
Charleston happened last week so I don't think the problem is as simple as you all think. Removing religion from the world won't make too much of an impact with these attacks, the problem is cultural not religious.
These "people" are not Muslim, although they'd call themselves that.
I hope you apply the same logic to us Millwall fans and the unsavoury element among us.
We may not want to acknowledge that these people are of the Islamic faith as it doesn't fit in with how we want to perceive the religion. Not least to protect the moderate and law abiding people that live in harmony alongside us. However, whether we like it or not, they are Islamic and no amount of distancing them from the faith will change that, unfortunately.
And they are a tiny tiny minority in the billions of Muslims around the world.
They are also only using Islam as a reason to inflict misery on other people. As I said, it's Ramadan, Muslims should be fasting and going to the mosque etc (although my knowledge of Ramadan is incredibly limited, please correct me on this). Not beheading and blowing up a mosque as they have done in Kuwait today as well.
That Charlestown nutter used his race as justification for shooting people. Are we going to have to tell all white people that they should make extra effort to condemn the shootings? No.
I'm not going to change my opinion on Islam because of one or two nut cases that want me dead.
Let's not forget a lot of this anti west shit goes back to britains atrocious management of Palestine and the holy land over the last hundred years or so. We are as much to blame as a nation as the religion of Islam itself.
Charleston happened last week so I don't think the problem is as simple as you all think. Removing religion from the world won't make too much of an impact with these attacks, the problem is cultural not religious.
These "people" are not Muslim, although they'd call themselves that.
I hope you apply the same logic to us Millwall fans and the unsavoury element among us.
We may not want to acknowledge that these people are of the Islamic faith as it doesn't fit in with how we want to perceive the religion. Not least to protect the moderate and law abiding people that live in harmony alongside us. However, whether we like it or not, they are Islamic and no amount of distancing them from the faith will change that, unfortunately.
And they are a tiny tiny minority in the billions of Muslims around the world.
They are also only using Islam as a reason to inflict misery on other people. As I said, it's Ramadan, Muslims should be fasting and going to the mosque etc (although my knowledge of Ramadan is incredibly limited, please correct me on this). Not beheading and blowing up a mosque as they have done in Kuwait today as well.
That Charlestown nutter used his race as justification for shooting people. Are we going to have to tell all white people that they should make extra effort to condemn the shootings? No.
I'm not going to change my opinion on Islam because of one or two nut cases that want me dead.
Let's not forget a lot of this anti west shit goes back to britains atrocious management of Palestine and the holy land over the last hundred years or so. We are as much to blame as a nation as the religion of Islam itself.
Your last paragraph, for me, undoes your argument above it.
Wow. Seems it's always somebody else's fault.
Islam is all about interpretation. Not all Muslims fast. Just the same as not all Muslims abstain from drinking alcohol.
I work with many Muslims and one of the guys polished off three bags of pistachio nuts yesterday and, when pulled up on it, simply said "nuts don't count" with a massive grin on his face.
A suicide attack on a mosque also happened today. Wonder what interpretation of Islam would've told them to do that?
It's not a religious issue.
Sunni's and Shia's have been murdering each other for hundreds of years. The interpretation is where the main issue lies between the two strains of the same faith.
It's very much a religious issue. I know it doesn't sit well with some but denying it only serves to cloud the issue.
Even the most ardent Muslims in my life accept that religion, and the interpretation of it, is at the forefront of the issue, and they should know, right?
A suicide attack on a mosque also happened today. Wonder what interpretation of Islam would've told them to do that?
It's not a religious issue.
Sunni's and Shia's have been murdering each other for hundreds of years. The interpretation is where the main issue lies between the two strains of the same faith.
It's very much a religious issue. I know it doesn't sit well with some but denying it only serves to cloud the issue.
As opposed to the peaceful white, Christian races ?
A suicide attack on a mosque also happened today. Wonder what interpretation of Islam would've told them to do that?
It's not a religious issue.
Sunni's and Shia's have been murdering each other for hundreds of years. The interpretation is where the main issue lies between the two strains of the same faith.
It's very much a religious issue. I know it doesn't sit well with some but denying it is only exasperating the issue.
"What role has sectarianism played in recent crises?
In countries that have been governed by Sunnis, Shia tend to make up the poorest sections of society. They often see themselves as victims of discrimination and oppression. Some extremist Sunni doctrines have preached hatred of Shia.
The Iranian revolution of 1979 launched a radical Shia Islamist agenda that was perceived as a challenge to conservative Sunni regimes, particularly in the Gulf.
Tehran's policy of supporting Shia militias and parties beyond its borders was matched by the Gulf states, which strengthened their links to Sunni governments and movements abroad.
Discontent among the Shia has fuelled street protests in Bahrain
During the civil war in Lebanon, Shia gained a strong political voice because of the military activities of Hezbollah.
In Pakistan and Afghanistan, hardline Sunni militant groups - such as the Taliban - have often attacked Shia places of worship.
The current conflicts in Iraq and Syria have also acquired strong sectarian overtones. Young Sunni men in both countries have joined rebel groups, many of which echo the hardline ideology of al-Qaeda.
Meanwhile, many of their counterparts from the Shia community have been fighting for - or alongside - government forces."
If you think the violence that has occurred is due to the difference in religions and not the cultural make-up of the two sects you're wrong. It's like painting the IRA/England violence as a religious issue.
Charleston happened last week so I don't think the problem is as simple as you all think. Removing religion from the world won't make too much of an impact with these attacks, the problem is cultural not religious.
These "people" are not Muslim, although they'd call themselves that.
I hope you apply the same logic to us Millwall fans and the unsavoury element among us.
We may not want to acknowledge that these people are of the Islamic faith as it doesn't fit in with how we want to perceive the religion. Not least to protect the moderate and law abiding people that live in harmony alongside us. However, whether we like it or not, they are Islamic and no amount of distancing them from the faith will change that, unfortunately.
And they are a tiny tiny minority in the billions of Muslims around the world.
They are also only using Islam as a reason to inflict misery on other people. As I said, it's Ramadan, Muslims should be fasting and going to the mosque etc (although my knowledge of Ramadan is incredibly limited, please correct me on this). Not beheading and blowing up a mosque as they have done in Kuwait today as well.
That Charlestown nutter used his race as justification for shooting people. Are we going to have to tell all white people that they should make extra effort to condemn the shootings? No.
I'm not going to change my opinion on Islam because of one or two nut cases that want me dead.
Let's not forget a lot of this anti west shit goes back to britains atrocious management of Palestine and the holy land over the last hundred years or so. We are as much to blame as a nation as the religion of Islam itself.
A tiny minority of over a billion (I think the official figure is around 1.5 billion, or 23% of the World's population) could be a fair few million. Just saying
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Yet another attempt at blackening the name of the religion of peace.
Crazy how people get radicalised and do these horrendous things.
Hopefully the thinly veiled dig at Islam in the post above refers to the radical nut nuts, not your run of the mill normal Muslim who live and work amongst us happily like people of all races and religions etc
The world is a sick place.
He didn't trust the cavemen or the dinosaurs to spread his word effectively.
Story earlier in the week that some of these maniacs used the strike at Calais to get into the UK.
Of course it would be horrendous if it does happen again, but I don't let myself worry about it to much because that's what the nutters want.
Just get on with day to day life whilst being vigilant, but don't let it worry you!
Horrific event, RIP to the chap involved
Probably being a bit twitchy as I live in Bexley, not far from the Dover to London motorway. Even find myself looking a bit more intently at people when I go for my run in Danson Park!
"The severed head had Arabic writing scrawled across it and was found on a fence next to two jihadi banners, a French official said."
This month is Ramadan, the holiest month for Muslims. These "people" are not Muslim, although they'd call themselves that.
We may not want to acknowledge that these people are of the Islamic faith as it doesn't fit in with how we want to perceive the religion. Not least to protect the moderate and law abiding people that live in harmony alongside us. However, whether we like it or not, they are Islamic and no amount of distancing them from the faith will change that, unfortunately.
They are also only using Islam as a reason to inflict misery on other people. As I said, it's Ramadan, Muslims should be fasting and going to the mosque etc (although my knowledge of Ramadan is incredibly limited, please correct me on this). Not beheading and blowing up a mosque as they have done in Kuwait today as well.
That Charlestown nutter used his race as justification for shooting people. Are we going to have to tell all white people that they should make extra effort to condemn the shootings? No.
I'm not going to change my opinion on Islam because of one or two nut cases that want me dead.
Let's not forget a lot of this anti west shit goes back to britains atrocious management of Palestine and the holy land over the last hundred years or so. We are as much to blame as a nation as the religion of Islam itself.
Imperial Harbour hotel.
1 gunman killed and another being pursued.
Wow. Seems it's always somebody else's fault.
Islam is all about interpretation. Not all Muslims fast. Just the same as not all Muslims abstain from drinking alcohol.
I work with many Muslims and one of the guys polished off three bags of pistachio nuts yesterday and, when pulled up on it, simply said "nuts don't count" with a massive grin on his face.
A suicide attack on a mosque also happened today. Wonder what interpretation of Islam would've told them to do that?
It's not a religious issue.
It's very much a religious issue. I know it doesn't sit well with some but denying it only serves to cloud the issue.
Even the most ardent Muslims in my life accept that religion, and the interpretation of it, is at the forefront of the issue, and they should know, right?
In countries that have been governed by Sunnis, Shia tend to make up the poorest sections of society. They often see themselves as victims of discrimination and oppression. Some extremist Sunni doctrines have preached hatred of Shia.
The Iranian revolution of 1979 launched a radical Shia Islamist agenda that was perceived as a challenge to conservative Sunni regimes, particularly in the Gulf.
Tehran's policy of supporting Shia militias and parties beyond its borders was matched by the Gulf states, which strengthened their links to Sunni governments and movements abroad.
Discontent among the Shia has fuelled street protests in Bahrain
During the civil war in Lebanon, Shia gained a strong political voice because of the military activities of Hezbollah.
In Pakistan and Afghanistan, hardline Sunni militant groups - such as the Taliban - have often attacked Shia places of worship.
The current conflicts in Iraq and Syria have also acquired strong sectarian overtones. Young Sunni men in both countries have joined rebel groups, many of which echo the hardline ideology of al-Qaeda.
Meanwhile, many of their counterparts from the Shia community have been fighting for - or alongside - government forces."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16047709
If you think the violence that has occurred is due to the difference in religions and not the cultural make-up of the two sects you're wrong. It's like painting the IRA/England violence as a religious issue.