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  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,568
    Must read the comment before before posting...
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Bournemouth Addick said:

    Callumcafc said:

    Absolutely dreadful. Worst part about it is that you feel almost powerless to stop it.

    I cannot imagine what it must be like to be an American holding the views that the majority of Brits have. It's unimaginable to us but they have to watch the only people with the ability to actually do something about this fucked up situation kowtow to the gun lobby and ignore 1000's of deaths a year for political purposes.

    It'll only get worse sadly.
    Yep as someone who's moved to Texas in the last few months, you've summed it up perfectly.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    image

    More guns correlates to more gun related deaths. Weird.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    edited November 2017
    An article published only yesterday, from which the above graph is taken.

    https://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun-violence-united-states-america
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    27 dead, 30 injured.

    I lean right and am a hardcore Constitutionalist, and even I am starting to feel we have reached the point where it's time to re-write the laws and if necessary, The Constitution.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,625
    I know this might sound controversial, but I'm getting to the stage where I just don't care anymore. The Americans have brought it on themselves - if after last months shooting the couldn't be bothered to start sorting this out them sod 'em. Just wonder how many of the 20 people or their families own a gun ?? I heard so much shit from the pro gun lobby last time around nothing surprises me anymore,

  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Callumcafc said:

    An article published only yesterday, from which the above graph is taken.

    https://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun-violence-united-states-america

    Wow. Really spells it out
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,010
    golfaddick said:

    I know this might sound controversial, but I'm getting to the stage where I just don't care anymore. The Americans have brought it on themselves - if after last months shooting the couldn't be bothered to start sorting this out them sod 'em. Just wonder how many of the 20 people or their families own a gun ?? I heard so much shit from the pro gun lobby last time around nothing surprises me anymore,

    Think i probably agree with this. Mass shootings there don't even surprise me now.

    It's not even last months shooting that should've made them do something about their laws, it was Sandy Hook. If a guy can stroll into a school and kill 20 kids and they still didn't do anything, then they never will.
  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,070
    Trump already stated this is a mental illness problem, not a gun one. Also praised the guy who took the terrorist down - by shooting him with a gun.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Callumcafc said:

    An article published only yesterday, from which the above graph is taken.

    https://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun-violence-united-states-america

    image
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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    moutuakilla said:

    I imagine the NRA will come out with something along the lines of, "if more of the good guys had guns, this could have been prevented".

    Such a sad state of affairs.

    RIP

    Read some of the replies to this, exactly that.

  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,916
    The texas chief has come out and said he wants everyone to bring guns to church so this never happens again..... beyond moronic
  • JiMMy 85
    JiMMy 85 Posts: 10,193
    Trump says “this is not a guns issue”. I can only assume he’s misunderstood how these people died.
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    How about.

    GOOD GUY
    with no *Gun Emoji*
    WOULDNT NEED TO STOP
    BAD GUY
    with no *Gun Emoji*

    Because 26 dead people does not seem to be a victory for the 'good guys'.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Scoham said:

    moutuakilla said:

    I imagine the NRA will come out with something along the lines of, "if more of the good guys had guns, this could have been prevented".

    Such a sad state of affairs.

    RIP

    Read some of the replies to this, exactly that.

    If a football match ended 26-1 there is no way you could turn the “1” into something positive. Unless you’re an idiot and an advocate of guns

  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    edited November 2017
    It a mute point obviously because there is no will in the USA to reform gun laws but even if there was a genuine debate how on earth do you put the genie back in the bottle. How many hand guns, rifles and automatic weapons are in circulation ? How would you prevent a nut job from getting one ?

    I wouldn’t go as far as golfie and say I just don’t care anymore but I see where he’s coming from. I think the world has to accept that the USA regularly has mass shootings. Wring our hands and get on with our day.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,117
    shine166 said:

    The texas chief has come out and said he wants everyone to bring guns to church so this never happens again..... beyond moronic

    JiMMy 85 said:

    Trump says “this is not a guns issue”. I can only assume he’s misunderstood how these people died.

    Makes you wonder how America ever became a successful nation when they elect nutjobs like the above two
  • stevexreeve
    stevexreeve Posts: 1,386
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    shine166 said:

    The texas chief has come out and said he wants everyone to bring guns to church so this never happens again..... beyond moronic

    JiMMy 85 said:

    Trump says “this is not a guns issue”. I can only assume he’s misunderstood how these people died.

    Makes you wonder how America ever became a successful nation when they elect nutjobs like the above two
    Natural resources stolen from the indigenous population?

  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,443
    Quite stunned by the sheer stupidity of the responses from Trump and politicians in Texas - the more shootings there are the more guns they want.

    What can you say?
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,916
    stevexreeve said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    shine166 said:

    The texas chief has come out and said he wants everyone to bring guns to church so this never happens again..... beyond moronic

    JiMMy 85 said:

    Trump says “this is not a guns issue”. I can only assume he’s misunderstood how these people died.

    Makes you wonder how America ever became a successful nation when they elect nutjobs like the above two
    Natural resources stolen from the indigenous population?

    why are we shit then ?
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  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,083
    edited November 2017
    Chizz said:

    Friend Or Defoe said:

    On the 163rd day of 2016 the 173rd mass shooting of 2016 occurs in the USA.

    That's astonishing. And horrific.
    How comes he gets 6 likes for his post and I don't get a single one?! :cry:

    Pretty bored of talking about American mass shootings, so glad that I don't live there.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,912
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    It a mute point obviously because there is no will in the USA to reform gun laws but even if there was a genuine debate how on earth do you put the genie back in the bottle. How many hand guns, rifles and automatic weapons are in circulation ? How would you prevent a nut job from getting one ?

    I wouldn’t go as far as golfie and say I just don’t care anymore but I see where he’s coming from. I think the world has to accept that the USA regularly has mass shootings. Wring our hands and get on with our day.

    It's hard to do, yes. Will a solution be perfect? No.

    Is that a reason to do nothing? Fuck no.

    Alright the guns already out there is a huge issue. But bringing in controls for any new guns brought is a start. Once that's implemented and working then you can. Start worrying about registering and controlling all the guns already out there.

    I agree with your last point though. Until there is a will to change anything we simply have to just accept it.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Out of interest how many jobs do gun manufacturing and selling and shooting ranges create in the US?

    I have the feeling it's a very high number.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,443
    Is the average American happy with the level of gun deaths in the US? If everyone is okay with it and doesn't see a need for change then is there really a problem?

    Looking on from outside of the USA it all appears insane but maybe it isn't an issue over there?
  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    Nothing will change, its a billion dollar industry.
    It doesn't impact my life, just let them get on with it.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

    Is the average American happy with the level of gun deaths in the US? If everyone is okay with it and doesn't see a need for change then is there really a problem?

    Looking on from outside of the USA it all appears insane but maybe it isn't an issue over there?

    *700-word SDAddick post*
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    It a mute point obviously because there is no will in the USA to reform gun laws but even if there was a genuine debate how on earth do you put the genie back in the bottle. How many hand guns, rifles and automatic weapons are in circulation ? How would you prevent a nut job from getting one ?

    I wouldn’t go as far as golfie and say I just don’t care anymore but I see where he’s coming from. I think the world has to accept that the USA regularly has mass shootings. Wring our hands and get on with our day.

    It would be very difficult. I think an Australia-esque buyback program is something that should be explored. But it would require long term, wide ranging solutions to a very immediate problem.

    I understand how you and golf feel. Personally, I've become numb to this. These incidents simply don't phase me anymore. They do not give me pause for thought.

    That said, no one should die, let alone continue to die, from Assault Rifles and other Military weapons because we have become detached from reality about what realistic gun restrictions are. It's insane.

    Also, it's just emerging that it looks like there was some sort of domestic incident in the gunman's life, and he had gone to Military jail for domestic violence in the past. A history of domestic violence is very common amongst mass shooters and killers in general. In terms of gun control, stopping domestic abusers from having guns would be a very good, low barrier to entry solution.
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
    So Trump blames the shooting on someone with mental health issues yet made it easier for the mentally ill to buy guns.....

    http://time.com/5011519/texas-church-shooting-mental-health-donald-trump/
  • A-R-T-H-U-R
    A-R-T-H-U-R Posts: 7,678


  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Friend Or Defoe said:

    Chizz said:

    Friend Or Defoe said:

    On the 163rd day of 2016 the 173rd mass shooting of 2016 occurs in the USA.

    That's astonishing. And horrific.
    How comes he gets 6 likes for his post and I don't get a single one?! :cry:

    Pretty bored of talking about American mass shootings, so glad that I don't live there.
    That's astonishing. And horrific.
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