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Another Shooting In America?
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Primary school, California.
100 shots fired.
4 reported dead, plus shooter.
When will it stop?
When will they see sense?2 -
Sadly I suspect the answers are never and never!A-R-T-H-U-R said:Primary school, California.
100 shots fired.
4 reported dead, plus shooter.
When will it stop?
When will they see sense?0 -
Just another day in Paradise. I expect the gun lobby to say that if the school children were armed then they could have stopped the gunmen before he killed anyone. Trump will also say that primary school kids are now going to learn how to shoot & will have a lesson a week on the rifle range.A-R-T-H-U-R said:Primary school, California.
100 shots fired.
4 reported dead, plus shooter.
When will it stop?
When will they see sense?0 -
Didn't make the front page of bbc online.golfaddick said:
Just another day in Paradise. I expect the gun lobby to say that if the school children were armed then they could have stopped the gunmen before he killed anyone. Trump will also say that primary school kids are now going to learn how to shoot & will have a lesson a week on the rifle range.A-R-T-H-U-R said:Primary school, California.
100 shots fired.
4 reported dead, plus shooter.
When will it stop?
When will they see sense?
Sadly it's an everyday thing now, not newsworthy.0 -
I know this is intended as satire, but there have been calls from the fun lobby to arm teachers and the whole kids being taught to shoot thing is not that far fetches.golfaddick said:
Just another day in Paradise. I expect the gun lobby to say that if the school children were armed then they could have stopped the gunmen before he killed anyone. Trump will also say that primary school kids are now going to learn how to shoot & will have a lesson a week on the rifle range.A-R-T-H-U-R said:Primary school, California.
100 shots fired.
4 reported dead, plus shooter.
When will it stop?
When will they see sense?0 -
What could go wrong?SDAddick said:
I know this is intended as satire, but there have been calls from the fun lobby to arm teachers and the whole kids being taught to shoot thing is not that far fetches.golfaddick said:
Just another day in Paradise. I expect the gun lobby to say that if the school children were armed then they could have stopped the gunmen before he killed anyone. Trump will also say that primary school kids are now going to learn how to shoot & will have a lesson a week on the rifle range.A-R-T-H-U-R said:Primary school, California.
100 shots fired.
4 reported dead, plus shooter.
When will it stop?
When will they see sense?5 -
Officer acquitted of killing unarmed Daniel Shaver who was on his knees pleading not to be shot.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/8/16752914/police-arizona-philip-brailsford-daniel-shaver0 -
Body cam footage is now publicly available as well. Do not recommend watching, up there with some of the most disturbing stuff on the net.
How the officer got acquitted is beyond me... Murica I guess.6 -
That is an execution not an arrest.8
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Psychopath? Join the feds. You'll probably get to kill someone1
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Seemed like the policeman was waiting for the guy to make a mistake so he could shoot him.
Lots of shouting and anger probably confused the guy, you would like to think that the police would remain calm in these instances.0 -
Maybe not murder in the strictest sense of the word but there must surely be a criminal charge of some kind that can be laid against this totally incompetent, shameful, inadequate arsehole.
I hope the victims family have the courage and strength to follow this up, they must surely be utterly devastated, the poor guy was scared shitless and was in pieces.
I would imagine there are civil rights lawyers literally queuing up to take this further.....I sincerely hope so.0 -
First degree murder. Plain and simple. After shooting him he just carried on as if nothing had happened.
The man is a obviously a psychopath.5 -
If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him.
Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.0 -
Absolutely disgusting, he should be on the chair not walking the streets.2
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Sorry, whilst I agree I don't think this killing is justified and the Officer should be punished, your sentiment is said time and time again by people with no experience of guns or being in a percieved life or death situation. The average person isn't an accurate shot especially in the heat of the moment when adrenaline is pumping. Why do you think people are trained to aim for the torso to take someone down? Because it's the biggest part of the body and easier to hit. Why do you see so many incidents of people, including trained professionals, standing close to each exchanging fire and keep missing? I guarantee that if you were actually in a situation where you thought someone might be about to kill you, you wouldn't think about aiming for their arm.blackpool72 said:If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him.
Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.0 -
yeah happens all the time..DRAddick said:
Sorry, whilst I agree I don't think this killing is justified and the Officer should be punished, your sentiment is said time and time again by people with no experience of guns or being in a percieved life or death situation. The average person isn't an accurate shot especially in the heat of the moment when adrenaline is pumping. Why do you think people are trained to aim for the torso to take someone down? Because it's the biggest part of the body and easier to hit. Why do you see so many incidents of people, including trained professionals, standing close to each exchanging fire and keep missing? I guarantee that if you were actually in a situation where you thought someone might be about to kill you, you wouldn't think about aiming for their arm.blackpool72 said:If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him.
Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.1 -
Couldn’t agree more. It’s murder, there is no two ways about it. It’s horrible and really upsetting. There is no excuse as to why they couldn’t just arrest him whilst he is clearly terrified laying on the floor.Addickted said:First degree murder. Plain and simple. After shooting him he just carried on as if nothing had happened.
The man is a obviously a psychopath.
Something needs to be done in the US because it’s beyond anything and has been for a long, long time.1 - Sponsored links:
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You wonder what goes into police training if the officer is giving the man so many orders which clearly confuse the man who has an automatic rifle pointed at him and being told he will die if he does the wrong thing. Apparently the officer also used his own weapon which had “you’re fired” etched into the barrel in a previous case.DRAddick said:
Sorry, whilst I agree I don't think this killing is justified and the Officer should be punished, your sentiment is said time and time again by people with no experience of guns or being in a percieved life or death situation. The average person isn't an accurate shot especially in the heat of the moment when adrenaline is pumping. Why do you think people are trained to aim for the torso to take someone down? Because it's the biggest part of the body and easier to hit. Why do you see so many incidents of people, including trained professionals, standing close to each exchanging fire and keep missing? I guarantee that if you were actually in a situation where you thought someone might be about to kill you, you wouldn't think about aiming for their arm.blackpool72 said:If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him.
Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.4 -
Massive over-use of force, but to play devils advocate, the guy did look like he was reaching back to pull what could've been a gun1
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No he didn't. The bloke was a quivering wreck and obeying all the unclear and confusing orders barked at him by a psychotic with an automatic weapon.CAFCsayer said:Massive over-use of force, but to play devils advocate, the guy did look like he was reaching back to pull what could've been a gun
Cannot believe that anyone can be defending or excusing the murderer. It's not a computer game for fucks sake.
Land of the free? - yeah right.
Home of the brave? - as long as you're armed to the teeth.
God help America.9 -
I'm not defending the Officer in this case or the judgement. Just pointing out the frankly silly comments that get trotted out time and time again by people who's usual biggest risk at work is getting a paper cut.1StevieG said:
You wonder what goes into police training if the officer is giving the man so many orders which clearly confuse the man who has an automatic rifle pointed at him and being told he will die if he does the wrong thing. Apparently the officer also used his own weapon which had “you’re fired” etched into the barrel in a previous case.DRAddick said:
Sorry, whilst I agree I don't think this killing is justified and the Officer should be punished, your sentiment is said time and time again by people with no experience of guns or being in a percieved life or death situation. The average person isn't an accurate shot especially in the heat of the moment when adrenaline is pumping. Why do you think people are trained to aim for the torso to take someone down? Because it's the biggest part of the body and easier to hit. Why do you see so many incidents of people, including trained professionals, standing close to each exchanging fire and keep missing? I guarantee that if you were actually in a situation where you thought someone might be about to kill you, you wouldn't think about aiming for their arm.blackpool72 said:If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him.
Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.0 -
Was was he being arrested for?0
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He was in possession of an air rifle, which he used for his job as a pest control worker.
Be vigilant @i_b_b_o_r_g
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I think we should be able to hold armed police to a higher standard than the 'average person'DRAddick said:
Sorry, whilst I agree I don't think this killing is justified and the Officer should be punished, your sentiment is said time and time again by people with no experience of guns or being in a percieved life or death situation. The average person isn't an accurate shot especially in the heat of the moment when adrenaline is pumping. Why do you think people are trained to aim for the torso to take someone down? Because it's the biggest part of the body and easier to hit. Why do you see so many incidents of people, including trained professionals, standing close to each exchanging fire and keep missing? I guarantee that if you were actually in a situation where you thought someone might be about to kill you, you wouldn't think about aiming for their arm.blackpool72 said:If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him.
Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.9 -
I'm confident if this happened in the UK or Europe it would be dealt with differently.
Giving the bloke various instructions and then kneeling with your hands in the air is stupid.
Surely lying on the floor with your hands down prevents him from potentially grabbing a gun, then another officer cuffs him.
Anywhere else in the world there would be outrage at this shooting.7 -
In general yes but in the heat of the reality even the best trained shooters, including highly experienced soldiers, miss. This should be accounted for and it is. The Westminster attacker was apparently hit once but there was at least two shots fired by the Officer, it happens. As I said I'm not defending the Officers choice to shoot the bloke, just criticising the "shoot them in the arm" brigade.Stu_of_Kunming said:
I think we should be able to hold armed police to a higher standard than the 'average person'DRAddick said:
Sorry, whilst I agree I don't think this killing is justified and the Officer should be punished, your sentiment is said time and time again by people with no experience of guns or being in a percieved life or death situation. The average person isn't an accurate shot especially in the heat of the moment when adrenaline is pumping. Why do you think people are trained to aim for the torso to take someone down? Because it's the biggest part of the body and easier to hit. Why do you see so many incidents of people, including trained professionals, standing close to each exchanging fire and keep missing? I guarantee that if you were actually in a situation where you thought someone might be about to kill you, you wouldn't think about aiming for their arm.blackpool72 said:If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him.
Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.
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I agree. The main thing I take from it is that the police officer needs to be in control of the situation & that means being calm & making any suspect calm. It wouldn't have taken much for another police officer to handcuff him before making him stand-up.The poor lad hadn't run or made any sign of being aggressive or non-obedient. In the same situation I would wonder who it was pointing a semi automatic at me & barking orders at me & like the poor lad would feel nervous & unsure what is going on. The police officer should be taken off any duties that involve firearms & be given anger management lessons.IT_Andy said:I'm confident if this happened in the UK or Europe it would be dealt with differently.
Giving the bloke various instructions and then kneeling with your hands in the air is stupid.
Surely lying on the floor with your hands down prevents him from potentially grabbing a gun, then another officer cuffs him.
Anywhere else in the world there would be outrage at this shooting.0
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