I had a really hard think about why I don’t care as much anymore. Or at least feel like I don’t. I honestly think it is the comms that have come out of the club. I just don’t feel the club cares about me, but more than that looks down on me as the past. When I say me – I mean me and many other fans who have stuck with the club through some dark days. I went to Sellout, I have been a Valley Gold member since its inception, I was a V.I.P member and lost my money on that without caring too much, and I even helped to buy Ronnie Moore! I have always felt that there was an unwritten vibe that the club respected that, now through the words of our CEO – not once but on a number of occasions, I feel the club isn’t mine anymore, but Roland’s. And it feels like it thinks I am a hindrance for having the nerve not to be happy about certain things.
Being part of a club is just that. Whether we are righties or lefties, rich or poor, intelligent or thick, we all have one thing in common. That is, we are all part of this great club. A club that gained the success it has in recent years because of its fans as well as its manager and owner. I look at the Valley party, and the disrespect the club affords certain key members of that initiative that meant we had a club and a home. I look at the knowledge that is criminally disrespected.
I am wondering, if it the owner’s desire to upset people and not care, or whether he has made one of the most rubbish CEO appointments imaginable or even whether it is a bit of both. But, when we feel we are all pushing together, whether it is going well on the pitch or not, it is when we are strongest. When I feel I am being lectured by a CEO who has no real knowledge of the championship or respect for the club’s history, my passion dies a bit. It can be resurrected, but respect has to be found from the top, and then, I am sure it will be reciprocated.
I also want to see an honest acknowledgement when mistakes have been made. That way, I would feel the same mistakes won’t be made again. But they are and when Miere tells us that all the managerial appointments were good ones, despite the number of managers we have had since the owner bought the club – well I feel she is either an idiot or patronising me! In some ways it would be better if it was the former, but it is more worrying too.
I also hope no one will turn their posters into a supersonic aeroplane and throw them amongst the crowd thinking that is some kind of entertainment, especially when there is a football match going on.. Be careful I warn, it could take someone's eye out and cause havoc if they went on to the pitch, a la CAFC catelogues and Steve brown. Oh no, this would be a catastrophe if this ever happened. Spread the word that all should fold up the poster and dispose of in the nearest recycling bin or save it for years and years then donate the poster to the Charlton Museum.
I also hope no one will turn their posters into a supersonic aeroplane and throw them amongst the crowd thinking that is some kind of entertainment, especially when there is a football match going on.. Be careful I warn, it could take someone's eye out and cause havoc if they went on to the pitch, a la CAFC catelogues and Steve brown. Oh no, this would be a catastrophe if this ever happened. Spread the word that all should fold up the poster and dispose of in the nearest recycling bin or save it for years and years then donate the poster to the Charlton Museum.
We all know they will probably go on the pitch if we go behind or are playing badly. There will be a 15 minute delay - which will annoy Sky - whilst they are cleared and the match will go on. Unless only 2% of fans actually have them.
Nothing illegal about taking in a poster is there? Don't let them take it away from you. They're supposed to be looking for terrorist threats, a protest should be the last thing they're thinking about.
They re trying to find a reason why black and white scarves are a danger so they can confiscate them .
But actually the Black and White campaign is essentially not about Duchatelet or Katrien per se. It is essentially about 1. Concrete dialogue with the fans through public meetings , articles etc 2. That the board communicate the business plan (time frames and budgets) for Charlton 3. That the club reply to all non-abusive emails with the relevant managers dealing with what concerns them 4. That the club combine with the fans to improve attendances at the Valley (and Aways?)
What is not to like? The bit I don't get is that the vast majority of people wont know about these yet the assumption is that they do. There is no wisdom in seeing that just concern that it will give out very mixed messages.
A few initial thoughts on the protesting poster.
I will hold it up for the reasons above but how many others will as from the discussion on this thread few have mentioned any of these aims; its been far too personalised. A board surely has a collective responsibility as a team. Katrien strikes me as no dictator and more of a consensus facilitator and personalising this protest surely indicates a deviation from the stated aims. I think a consensual approach to the aims will be far more effective rather than an adversarial way of doing things. It will end up being an us and them (if it isn't already) and surely that goes against the stated aims of the Black and White campaign.
@bexleyJohn Firstly, well done for publicly explaining your change of view.
I'm not involved in the campaigns but I think we have to understand that they are very much in their infancy and over the next few weeks and months will hopefully become more structured and clearer.
I found your description of KM as a "consensus facilitator" quite original as I had never considered that as a possibility.
So, what has KM done to earn the label "consensus facilitator" ? To be honest, I can't think of anything she has done that rates the "facilitator" label, let alone "consensus". Take the example of the season ticket fiasco. It was a major failing of the club, played out over many weeks and as such the CEO should have come to the fore, explained the problems, what they were going to do to put them right and especially avoid them in the future. Replay that video and you will see she just brushes it off as teething problems which we should have accepted. 0 out of 10 from me!
What about personal attacks on KM ? The Board consists of Richard Murray who is a non-exec director and has little or no power or influence, the owner and KM as his CEO. Since RD stays on planet Belgium, KM is effectively his mouthpiece, doing as he says. There is no point in 'attacking' RM, RD is invisible so the only person to 'attack' is KM. It is not personal, however she has been put in that position deliberately by RD and as she says, it's RD's way or no way.
I do like this idea, but I'd love to see us leave the stands empty until the 2nd minute like Bayern fans at Arsenal. Would have quite an impact.
(I know it's harder to organise etc, just a thought. And I'm sure someone will take the 'we should be in the stands to support the team, it's not them we're protesting about' line with this one, but I'm sure they'd survive without us for two minutes if we make extra noise for the following 88).
Seen the club are doing bag checks on the door for security reasons, on the recommendation of the Met. I do not doubt this is their genuine reason for doing this.
But I would not be surprised if the club use this as a way to stop anyone entering the ground with more than just a handful of these.. so probably best to give out as many as possible outside the ground and not rely on in the stadium distribution.
Would volunteer but can't make the game! Will be watching on TV will probably get carried away and stand and chant at the second minute as an act of solidarity!
I'd imagine we will shift all the leaflets outside the ground. I was on the pavement behind the North Stand last game and was politely asked to get off Club property so I stood in the road so taking them into the ground in bulk isn't really an option.
I had a really hard think about why I don’t care as much anymore. Or at least feel like I don’t. I honestly think it is the comms that have come out of the club. I just don’t feel the club cares about me, but more than that looks down on me as the past. When I say me – I mean me and many other fans who have stuck with the club through some dark days. I went to Sellout, I have been a Valley Gold member since its inception, I was a V.I.P member and lost my money on that without caring too much, and I even helped to buy Ronnie Moore! I have always felt that there was an unwritten vibe that the club respected that, now through the words of our CEO – not once but on a number of occasions, I feel the club isn’t mine anymore, but Roland’s. And it feels like it thinks I am a hindrance for having the nerve not to be happy about certain things.
Being part of a club is just that. Whether we are righties or lefties, rich or poor, intelligent or thick, we all have one thing in common. That is, we are all part of this great club. A club that gained the success it has in recent years because of its fans as well as its manager and owner. I look at the Valley party, and the disrespect the club affords certain key members of that initiative that meant we had a club and a home. I look at the knowledge that is criminally disrespected.
I am wondering, if it the owner’s desire to upset people and not care, or whether he has made one of the most rubbish CEO appointments imaginable or even whether it is a bit of both. But, when we feel we are all pushing together, whether it is going well on the pitch or not, it is when we are strongest. When I feel I am being lectured by a CEO who has no real knowledge of the championship or respect for the club’s history, my passion dies a bit. It can be resurrected, but respect has to be found from the top, and then, I am sure it will be reciprocated.
I also want to see an honest acknowledgement when mistakes have been made. That way, I would feel the same mistakes won’t be made again. But they are and when Miere tells us that all the managerial appointments were good ones, despite the number of managers we have had since the owner bought the club – well I feel she is either an idiot or patronising me! In some ways it would be better if it was the former, but it is more worrying too.
This sums up a lot of how I feel too.....and this part is the main issue for me. Well said Muttley.
Seen the club are doing bag checks on the door for security reasons, on the recommendation of the Met. I do not doubt this is their genuine reason for doing this.
But I would not be surprised if the club use this as a way to stop anyone entering the ground with more than just a handful of these.. so probably best to give out as many as possible outside the ground and not rely on in the stadium distribution.
Would volunteer but can't make the game! Will be watching on TV will probably get carried away and stand and chant at the second minute as an act of solidarity!
I'd imagine we will shift all the leaflets outside the ground. I was on the pavement behind the North Stand last game and was politely asked to get off Club property so I stood in the road so taking them into the ground in bulk isn't really an option.
Surely the pavement is public property ?
I thought that but didn't want to argue the point and cause a potential problem for Joe
I was told I couldn't hand the original SIO flyers out on club property.
As I went theough the gate by the club shop towards the protest with a tonne of flyers three stewards shouted after me and started running/waddling towards me. I ran off into the middle of the protest and started dishing them out and then there were too many people. It was all very funny.
Point is, don't worry next time Large haha, I don't care.
They are pieces of paper at the end of the day and they're not rude or offensive.
The only crime being commited is the running of the club... :-)
Stop splitting hairs, all stick together. Our club is suffering under current management. RD has a strange way to run a club, KM is inexperienced, making bad decisions. Both are responsible for treating the true CAFC with contempt. Get out of our club and let people that know how to run a championship side do it.
I sent an email to the guy who covered the game v Fulham.
He said he wasn't doing this one but I've sent him a brief description of what's going on and attached the images of the front and back of the posters.
He said he would forward to the producers for Saturday.
Fingers crossed it gets spoken about.
Just spoke with a mate who works as a freelance TV cameraman and covers live football for Sky. As luck would have it, he's on the main gantry for our match on Saturday. Had no idea about the planned protest but sounded very interested (or good at pretending), so I texted him a link to the Cawley article. Fingers crossed me and Joe have got it covered.
Stop splitting hairs, all stick together. Our club is suffering under current management. RD has a strange way to run a club, KM is inexperienced, making bad decisions. Both are responsible for treating the true CAFC with contempt. Get out of our club and let people that know how to run a championship side do it.
Yes, absolutely correct.
It's amazing that after two wins people are prepared to give Fraeye a chance.
Well said Muttley. Meire may not care about my 1000+ games attended from Carlisle to Plymouth but my 14 year old is equally disengaged. Us oldies do have kids and if we stop, they stop.
Stop splitting hairs, all stick together. Our club is suffering under current management. RD has a strange way to run a club, KM is inexperienced, making bad decisions. Both are responsible for treating the true CAFC with contempt. Get out of our club and let people that know how to run a championship side do it.
Yes, absolutely correct.
It's amazing that after two wins people are prepared to give Fraeye a chance.
Equally amazing that after 2 defeats in his first 2 games people were prepared to write him off.
Stop splitting hairs, all stick together. Our club is suffering under current management. RD has a strange way to run a club, KM is inexperienced, making bad decisions. Both are responsible for treating the true CAFC with contempt. Get out of our club and let people that know how to run a championship side do it.
Yes, absolutely correct.
It's amazing that after two wins people are prepared to give Fraeye a chance.
Equally amazing that after 2 defeats in his first 2 games people were prepared to write him off.
"Amazing", really? A bloke from the obscurity of the Belgian regional lower leagues is brought in and loses his first two games and its "amazing" that people wrote him off?
I had a really hard think about why I don’t care as much anymore. Or at least feel like I don’t. I honestly think it is the comms that have come out of the club. I just don’t feel the club cares about me, but more than that looks down on me as the past. When I say me – I mean me and many other fans who have stuck with the club through some dark days. I went to Sellout, I have been a Valley Gold member since its inception, I was a V.I.P member and lost my money on that without caring too much, and I even helped to buy Ronnie Moore! I have always felt that there was an unwritten vibe that the club respected that, now through the words of our CEO – not once but on a number of occasions, I feel the club isn’t mine anymore, but Roland’s. And it feels like it thinks I am a hindrance for having the nerve not to be happy about certain things.
Being part of a club is just that. Whether we are righties or lefties, rich or poor, intelligent or thick, we all have one thing in common. That is, we are all part of this great club. A club that gained the success it has in recent years because of its fans as well as its manager and owner. I look at the Valley party, and the disrespect the club affords certain key members of that initiative that meant we had a club and a home. I look at the knowledge that is criminally disrespected.
I am wondering, if it the owner’s desire to upset people and not care, or whether he has made one of the most rubbish CEO appointments imaginable or even whether it is a bit of both. But, when we feel we are all pushing together, whether it is going well on the pitch or not, it is when we are strongest. When I feel I am being lectured by a CEO who has no real knowledge of the championship or respect for the club’s history, my passion dies a bit. It can be resurrected, but respect has to be found from the top, and then, I am sure it will be reciprocated.
I also want to see an honest acknowledgement when mistakes have been made. That way, I would feel the same mistakes won’t be made again. But they are and when Miere tells us that all the managerial appointments were good ones, despite the number of managers we have had since the owner bought the club – well I feel she is either an idiot or patronising me! In some ways it would be better if it was the former, but it is more worrying too.
Can anyone get Muttley's message over printed on the back of the 2% posters? I think he speaks for the majority. And he clearly spells out why, not just he, but so many feel disillusioned.
I've never posted here before, but as a long time reader I felt compelled to do so just to say that Muttley's post was spot on for me. Well done that man.
If anyone from the club really does read these comments and really does care, then you could do a lot worse than print that one off and get KM to read it.
I had a really hard think about why I don’t care as much anymore. Or at least feel like I don’t. I honestly think it is the comms that have come out of the club. I just don’t feel the club cares about me, but more than that looks down on me as the past. When I say me – I mean me and many other fans who have stuck with the club through some dark days. I went to Sellout, I have been a Valley Gold member since its inception, I was a V.I.P member and lost my money on that without caring too much, and I even helped to buy Ronnie Moore! I have always felt that there was an unwritten vibe that the club respected that, now through the words of our CEO – not once but on a number of occasions, I feel the club isn’t mine anymore, but Roland’s. And it feels like it thinks I am a hindrance for having the nerve not to be happy about certain things.
Being part of a club is just that. Whether we are righties or lefties, rich or poor, intelligent or thick, we all have one thing in common. That is, we are all part of this great club. A club that gained the success it has in recent years because of its fans as well as its manager and owner. I look at the Valley party, and the disrespect the club affords certain key members of that initiative that meant we had a club and a home. I look at the knowledge that is criminally disrespected.
I am wondering, if it the owner’s desire to upset people and not care, or whether he has made one of the most rubbish CEO appointments imaginable or even whether it is a bit of both. But, when we feel we are all pushing together, whether it is going well on the pitch or not, it is when we are strongest. When I feel I am being lectured by a CEO who has no real knowledge of the championship or respect for the club’s history, my passion dies a bit. It can be resurrected, but respect has to be found from the top, and then, I am sure it will be reciprocated.
I also want to see an honest acknowledgement when mistakes have been made. That way, I would feel the same mistakes won’t be made again. But they are and when Miere tells us that all the managerial appointments were good ones, despite the number of managers we have had since the owner bought the club – well I feel she is either an idiot or patronising me! In some ways it would be better if it was the former, but it is more worrying too.
Can anyone get Muttley's message over printed on the back of the 2% posters? I think he speaks for the majority. And he clearly spells out why, not just he, but so many feel disillusioned.
It's a brilliant post indeed. Even when we're 4-0 up just after half time tomorrow, we should keep coming back to it. It's a fine reminder of why we got so upset in the first place and why it's likely to keep on happening unless our voices are heard.
Stop splitting hairs, all stick together. Our club is suffering under current management. RD has a strange way to run a club, KM is inexperienced, making bad decisions. Both are responsible for treating the true CAFC with contempt. Get out of our club and let people that know how to run a championship side do it.
Yes, absolutely correct.
It's amazing that after two wins people are prepared to give Fraeye a chance.
Equally amazing that after 2 defeats in his first 2 games people were prepared to write him off.
"Amazing", really? A bloke from the obscurity of the Belgian regional lower leagues is brought in and loses his first two games and its "amazing" that people wrote him off?
Right.
Yeah, sorry you're completely right mate. I need to be yearning for the days when we appoint some recycled has been British manager who enjoyed success 10 years ago and signs such players as Pawel Abbott and Gary Docherty together with Cranie style loans.
The Spell it Out campaign certainly speaks for more than 2% of fans but there seems to be the assumption that it speaks for a large majority. No doubt the Trust surveys would support that but it's only really going to be the hacked off fans that respond to such questionnaires.
This is not like the Back to the Valley campaign. Fans were unanimous in the need to return to our historic home. Who wouldn't have been supportive of that?
Spell it Out demands more and greater depth of communication. I support that and feel the club are moving towards this, albeit slowly. However, many of the comments here seem to be interpreting the campaign as being for the fans to choose the type of manager we appoint, players we sign and players we get rid of. That, to me, is unrealistic.
When it moves to not respecting fans who have a different view I believe it will lose it's effectiveness. The more people that tell me how I should think, the more likely I am not to think that way, particularly if I'm attacked for my view.
Bad runs of results and form are nothing new to us, Curbs signed a few duff players in amongst the gems, as long as I've been a supporter we've always sold our best young players, viperous players (no matter how good) have been got rid of. I'm really not sure it's that much worse now than it's ever been.
Does it mean that I'm RD/KM's biggest fan? No, to be honest I still think it's quite early and they're learning so my jury is very much out. Do I support the principles of better communication with the fans? Yes of course. Do I think we should 'get the Belgians out' which seems to be the mixed message in the Black and White campaign? No, that doesn't speak for me which is why I won't buy a scarf or hold up a leaflet.
Stop splitting hairs, all stick together. Our club is suffering under current management. RD has a strange way to run a club, KM is inexperienced, making bad decisions. Both are responsible for treating the true CAFC with contempt. Get out of our club and let people that know how to run a championship side do it.
Yes, absolutely correct.
It's amazing that after two wins people are prepared to give Fraeye a chance.
Equally amazing that after 2 defeats in his first 2 games people were prepared to write him off.
"Amazing", really? A bloke from the obscurity of the Belgian regional lower leagues is brought in and loses his first two games and its "amazing" that people wrote him off?
Right.
Yeah, sorry you're completely right mate. I need to be yearning for the days when we appoint some recycled has been British manager who enjoyed success 10 years ago and signs such players as Pawel Abbott and Gary Docherty together with Cranie style loans.
The Spell it Out campaign certainly speaks for more than 2% of fans but there seems to be the assumption that it speaks for a large majority. No doubt the Trust surveys would support that but it's only really going to be the hacked off fans that respond to such questionnaires.
This is not like the Back to the Valley campaign. Fans were unanimous in the need to return to our historic home. Who wouldn't have been supportive of that?
Spell it Out demands more and greater depth of communication. I support that and feel the club are moving towards this, albeit slowly. However, many of the comments here seem to be interpreting the campaign as being for the fans to choose the type of manager we appoint, players we sign and players we get rid of. That, to me, is unrealistic.
When it moves to not respecting fans who have a different view I believe it will lose it's effectiveness. The more people that tell me how I should think, the more likely I am not to think that way, particularly if I'm attacked for my view.
Bad runs of results and form are nothing new to us, Curbs signed a few duff players in amongst the gems, as long as I've been a supporter we've always sold our best young players, viperous players (no matter how good) have been got rid of. I'm really not sure it's that much worse now than it's ever been.
Does it mean that I'm RD/KM's biggest fan? No, to be honest I still think it's quite early and they're learning so my jury is very much out. Do I support the principles of better communication with the fans? Yes of course. Do I think we should 'get the Belgians out' which seems to be the mixed message in the Black and White campaign? No, that doesn't speak for me which is why I won't buy a scarf or hold up a leaflet.
Stop splitting hairs, all stick together. Our club is suffering under current management. RD has a strange way to run a club, KM is inexperienced, making bad decisions. Both are responsible for treating the true CAFC with contempt. Get out of our club and let people that know how to run a championship side do it.
Yes, absolutely correct.
It's amazing that after two wins people are prepared to give Fraeye a chance.
Equally amazing that after 2 defeats in his first 2 games people were prepared to write him off.
"Amazing", really? A bloke from the obscurity of the Belgian regional lower leagues is brought in and loses his first two games and its "amazing" that people wrote him off?
Right.
Yeah, sorry you're completely right mate. I need to be yearning for the days when we appoint some recycled has been British manager who enjoyed success 10 years ago and signs such players as Pawel Abbott and Gary Docherty together with Cranie style loans.
The Spell it Out campaign certainly speaks for more than 2% of fans but there seems to be the assumption that it speaks for a large majority. No doubt the Trust surveys would support that but it's only really going to be the hacked off fans that respond to such questionnaires.
This is not like the Back to the Valley campaign. Fans were unanimous in the need to return to our historic home. Who wouldn't have been supportive of that?
Spell it Out demands more and greater depth of communication. I support that and feel the club are moving towards this, albeit slowly. However, many of the comments here seem to be interpreting the campaign as being for the fans to choose the type of manager we appoint, players we sign and players we get rid of. That, to me, is unrealistic.
When it moves to not respecting fans who have a different view I believe it will lose it's effectiveness. The more people that tell me how I should think, the more likely I am not to think that way, particularly if I'm attacked for my view.
Bad runs of results and form are nothing new to us, Curbs signed a few duff players in amongst the gems, as long as I've been a supporter we've always sold our best young players, viperous players (no matter how good) have been got rid of. I'm really not sure it's that much worse now than it's ever been.
Does it mean that I'm RD/KM's biggest fan? No, to be honest I still think it's quite early and they're learning so my jury is very much out. Do I support the principles of better communication with the fans? Yes of course. Do I think we should 'get the Belgians out' which seems to be the mixed message in the Black and White campaign? No, that doesn't speak for me which is why I won't buy a scarf or hold up a leaflet.
I was lazy and never properly read Muttleys comments. It is a great piece reflecting what many of us feel. The CEO is hopeless, they do not understand what running a football club is about. Not respecting the supporters and telling rather far fetched stories is unacceptable. Let's all protest tomorrow.
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Being part of a club is just that. Whether we are righties or lefties, rich or poor, intelligent or thick, we all have one thing in common. That is, we are all part of this great club. A club that gained the success it has in recent years because of its fans as well as its manager and owner. I look at the Valley party, and the disrespect the club affords certain key members of that initiative that meant we had a club and a home. I look at the knowledge that is criminally disrespected.
I am wondering, if it the owner’s desire to upset people and not care, or whether he has made one of the most rubbish CEO appointments imaginable or even whether it is a bit of both. But, when we feel we are all pushing together, whether it is going well on the pitch or not, it is when we are strongest. When I feel I am being lectured by a CEO who has no real knowledge of the championship or respect for the club’s history, my passion dies a bit. It can be resurrected, but respect has to be found from the top, and then, I am sure it will be reciprocated.
I also want to see an honest acknowledgement when mistakes have been made. That way, I would feel the same mistakes won’t be made again. But they are and when Miere tells us that all the managerial appointments were good ones, despite the number of managers we have had since the owner bought the club – well I feel she is either an idiot or patronising me! In some ways it would be better if it was the former, but it is more worrying too.
any more?
Firstly, well done for publicly explaining your change of view.
I'm not involved in the campaigns but I think we have to understand that they are very much in their infancy and over the next few weeks and months will hopefully become more structured and clearer.
I found your description of KM as a "consensus facilitator" quite original as I had never considered that as a possibility.
So, what has KM done to earn the label "consensus facilitator" ? To be honest, I can't think of anything she has done that rates the "facilitator" label, let alone "consensus". Take the example of the season ticket fiasco. It was a major failing of the club, played out over many weeks and as such the CEO should have come to the fore, explained the problems, what they were going to do to put them right and especially avoid them in the future. Replay that video and you will see she just brushes it off as teething problems which we should have accepted. 0 out of 10 from me!
What about personal attacks on KM ? The Board consists of Richard Murray who is a non-exec director and has little or no power or influence, the owner and KM as his CEO. Since RD stays on planet Belgium, KM is effectively his mouthpiece, doing as he says. There is no point in 'attacking' RM, RD is invisible so the only person to 'attack' is KM. It is not personal, however she has been put in that position deliberately by RD and as she says, it's RD's way or no way.
(I know it's harder to organise etc, just a thought. And I'm sure someone will take the 'we should be in the stands to support the team, it's not them we're protesting about' line with this one, but I'm sure they'd survive without us for two minutes if we make extra noise for the following 88).
Well said Muttley.
As I went theough the gate by the club shop towards the protest with a tonne of flyers three stewards shouted after me and started running/waddling towards me. I ran off into the middle of the protest and started dishing them out and then there were too many people. It was all very funny.
Point is, don't worry next time Large haha, I don't care.
They are pieces of paper at the end of the day and they're not rude or offensive.
The only crime being commited is the running of the club... :-)
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Hope the club media specialists have picked that up. Fair or not from a club viewpoint, it has touched a chord
It's amazing that after two wins people are prepared to give Fraeye a chance.
Right.
If anyone from the club really does read these comments and really does care, then you could do a lot worse than print that one off and get KM to read it.
The Spell it Out campaign certainly speaks for more than 2% of fans but there seems to be the assumption that it speaks for a large majority. No doubt the Trust surveys would support that but it's only really going to be the hacked off fans that respond to such questionnaires.
This is not like the Back to the Valley campaign. Fans were unanimous in the need to return to our historic home. Who wouldn't have been supportive of that?
Spell it Out demands more and greater depth of communication. I support that and feel the club are moving towards this, albeit slowly. However, many of the comments here seem to be interpreting the campaign as being for the fans to choose the type of manager we appoint, players we sign and players we get rid of. That, to me, is unrealistic.
When it moves to not respecting fans who have a different view I believe it will lose it's effectiveness. The more people that tell me how I should think, the more likely I am not to think that way, particularly if I'm attacked for my view.
Bad runs of results and form are nothing new to us, Curbs signed a few duff players in amongst the gems, as long as I've been a supporter we've always sold our best young players, viperous players (no matter how good) have been got rid of. I'm really not sure it's that much worse now than it's ever been.
Does it mean that I'm RD/KM's biggest fan? No, to be honest I still think it's quite early and they're learning so my jury is very much out. Do I support the principles of better communication with the fans? Yes of course. Do I think we should 'get the Belgians out' which seems to be the mixed message in the Black and White campaign? No, that doesn't speak for me which is why I won't buy a scarf or hold up a leaflet.
I await a hilarious 'Thanks Roland' response.
It is a great piece reflecting what many of us feel.
The CEO is hopeless, they do not understand what running a football club is about. Not respecting the supporters and telling rather far fetched stories is unacceptable.
Let's all protest tomorrow.