Have a look at the above picture taken from the West Stand......what stands our more, black and white scarves or thousands of empty red seats?
Nothing personal against those behind the black and white campaign, but I just dont think it is very effective.
But no one is reporting your absence.
Is the CEO being given flyers in the streets about your non-attendance?
Does anyone not reading your posts know that your not attending or why?
Are the media running stories about "Braydex not at game again:crisis talks imminent"?
How effective has you staying away been? Has anything changed as a result.
Yes, staying away hurts them if you've stopped paying but in their arrogance they will say it's because the weather was bad, it's close to Christmas, it was on TV and anyway we have their money and the gate is still officially 16k.
I'm not attacking people who stay away, it's your choice and I understand why. And yes in the long term it hurts them.
but I'd rather have a campaign that is visable and that people can see and that brings change, whoever small or unlikely, before we lose more fans and more income.
SIO and boycotts shouldn't be seen as mutually exclusive options, they are not in competition.
I totally understand what you are saying and perhaps i'm not coming across as being understanding to the black and white protests etc. I am. I do understand why people might choose to take part in it.
Of course, no one is reporting on my absence and I wouldn't expect them to. But a total boycott of one of more games would seriously make the owner think "this cannot carry on", and i'm confident it would get media attention.
Staying away week in week out is killing me. I hate it. I started the season like plenty of others, optimistic if not entirely happy. If still a bit confused. But I still bought season tickets. After a while, I just ended up really not enjoying going to matches. Why should I go? The players are not good enough and the squad is too small. The owner doesn't really care. The CEO resents the fans. What/who am I supporting?
I watched the game on Saturday with my boys in a pub in Essex (so I haven't totally given up on them). I saw absolutely nothing that would make me come back any time soon. The look on KM's face spoke a thousand words. She couldn't have cared less if all those attending had dressed up as Mr Blobby to make their point. They still made noise. They still spent money. She's not interested in what you/us think. She is running a business and if the customers don't like it, they can 'shop' elsewhere. And my fear is.....they are/will.
Fair enough then you and @RodneyCharltonTrotta and others need to start organising a total boycott if you believe that is the only way.
But since SIO couldn't get 40% to 50% to hold up a poster (not that I'm unhappy with the 50% we did get as that is success) I can't see you getting them to not turn up at all.
It's up to people themselves to boycott if they want to. I'm suggesting that it's only such action en masse will see material amendments to the owner's flawed strategy and even then tthere's no guarantee.
Not my place to organise boycotts or coerce others to do so. People nonplussed with it will stop going if they see fit like myself or continue with alternative methods of protest and "dialogue" whilst many will continue to happily attend and not see any issues or reason to protest.
Each to their own.
So how will people know which game or games to boycott?
How will they know that such an idea exists? Or what the aims are?
Seems a strange kind of boycott that doesn't ask people to boycott or say why?
This added to yet another non-performance on Saturday underlines without fear of equivocation that he is a worthless, self-serving, show-pony, thief. He can give back his salary and get as far away from Charlton as quickly as his superannuated oh so fragile arctic feet can carry him.
RD should accept any offer that will get this poisonous charlatan out of the dressing room without paying him a single cent more than absolutely necessary.
Well, that's exactly what I did but I don't think it's the reaction that JBG was looking for!
I think that is probably a better help to the players than the booing and the chants to the board.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not condemning the chants that are being aimed at the board, I just think they should be used before the match / at half-time and then at the end of the match...
That's fair enough.
Just to be clear, I would have joined in the protest in the second minute had I not been stuck on the A2 for about 45 minutes and missed it (I pretty much sprinted to the ground from Charlton Park but that was a waste of time as I got into the ground exactly as the minute ended. Sadder still, my legs still ache from it today!).
Fair enough then you and @RodneyCharltonTrotta and others need to start organising a total boycott if you believe that is the only way.
But since SIO couldn't get 40% to 50% to hold up a poster (not that I'm unhappy with the 50% we did get as that is success) I can't see you getting them to not turn up at all.
I have no intention of organising a boycott. It's up to the individuals to boycott games if they want to. All I've said is, in my opinion only, the more fans who boycott games, the more likely the 'regime' are to take notice of us and our views, and perhaps force a change/changes. And i'll stick by that for now.
At the end of the day I've never known a match where booing has helped their team during a match, and I've been going to matches for over 20-years and have only seen performances get worse when that happens...
Find it pathetic and petty that people only think of themselves and the effort that they've made by going to match and if they want to boo then fair enough just do not expect to the team to turn it around, yes you've paid your money but if you cant accept that a Football result is random then you should be doing something else with your time
And there was me thinking football was a game of tactics
So it was tactics that saw the ball deflect past Henderson for the second goal was it?
Tactics will only get you so far in Sport... You also need something called luck
Bad luck is not the reason we are one point above the relegation zone
Have a look at the above picture taken from the West Stand......what stands our more, black and white scarves or thousands of empty red seats?
Nothing personal against those behind the black and white campaign, but I just dont think it is very effective.
But no one is reporting your absence.
Is the CEO being given flyers in the streets about your non-attendance?
Does anyone not reading your posts know that your not attending or why?
Are the media running stories about "Braydex not at game again:crisis talks imminent"?
How effective has you staying away been? Has anything changed as a result.
Yes, staying away hurts them if you've stopped paying but in their arrogance they will say it's because the weather was bad, it's close to Christmas, it was on TV and anyway we have their money and the gate is still officially 16k.
I'm not attacking people who stay away, it's your choice and I understand why. And yes in the long term it hurts them.
but I'd rather have a campaign that is visable and that people can see and that brings change, whoever small or unlikely, before we lose more fans and more income.
SIO and boycotts shouldn't be seen as mutually exclusive options, they are not in competition.
I totally understand what you are saying and perhaps i'm not coming across as being understanding to the black and white protests etc. I am. I do understand why people might choose to take part in it.
Of course, no one is reporting on my absence and I wouldn't expect them to. But a total boycott of one of more games would seriously make the owner think "this cannot carry on", and i'm confident it would get media attention.
Staying away week in week out is killing me. I hate it. I started the season like plenty of others, optimistic if not entirely happy. If still a bit confused. But I still bought season tickets. After a while, I just ended up really not enjoying going to matches. Why should I go? The players are not good enough and the squad is too small. The owner doesn't really care. The CEO resents the fans. What/who am I supporting?
I watched the game on Saturday with my boys in a pub in Essex (so I haven't totally given up on them). I saw absolutely nothing that would make me come back any time soon. The look on KM's face spoke a thousand words. She couldn't have cared less if all those attending had dressed up as Mr Blobby to make their point. They still made noise. They still spent money. She's not interested in what you/us think. She is running a business and if the customers don't like it, they can 'shop' elsewhere. And my fear is.....they are/will.
Fair enough then you and @RodneyCharltonTrotta and others need to start organising a total boycott if you believe that is the only way.
But since SIO couldn't get 40% to 50% to hold up a poster (not that I'm unhappy with the 50% we did get as that is success) I can't see you getting them to not turn up at all.
It's up to people themselves to boycott if they want to. I'm suggesting that it's only such action en masse will see material amendments to the owner's flawed strategy and even then tthere's no guarantee.
Not my place to organise boycotts or coerce others to do so. People nonplussed with it will stop going if they see fit like myself or continue with alternative methods of protest and "dialogue" whilst many will continue to happily attend and not see any issues or reason to protest.
Each to their own.
So how will people know which game or games to boycott?
How will they know that such an idea exists? Or what the aims are?
Seems a strange kind of boycott that doesn't ask people to boycott or say why?
I'm not talking about an organised boycott for a specific game rather than stop going if unhappy to get the point across. My point is that I am not happy with the strategy/ recruitment of manager and players and nonplussed with the refusal to admit mistakes and the lies/ spin they've tried to give the fans and therefore have taken the personal decision to stop going until there is a change in direction in terms of the strategy i.e. better manager recruitment and giving the manager the responsibility of recruiting the squad with minimal interference.
Others may have the same reasons for being unhappy and/ or may have different reasons. So it would be difficult to gauge what everyone is unhappy about without canvassing opinion of the entire fan base. Even then there are likely thousands who are not unhappy at all.
Therefore I choose not to go and suggest those who are unhappy also stop attending....because the club would then notice a huge drop off in numbers. This would make them twitchy because advertisers and sponsors surely factor in things like matchday attendance when negotiating deals etc. I doubt they (sponsors/ advertisers) would necessarily even be aware of the significance of black and white scarfs etc.
Also it would surely plant serious seeds of doubt in the club's mind about season ticket renewals which would cause concern when budgeting for next season.Whilst disgruntled people still physically turn up each game it gives the illusion that all's well when if compared to if there were 15,000 empty seats and the absence of 7 or 8k of season ticket holders at each game.If people who are unhappy stopped going then within a couple of games the club would surely react and ask why people are not going. And then people could let them no why...which let's face it they pretty much already have since Woolwich.
This way people are just drifting off and disengaging week on week and it will be a slow drawn out death.
An (admittedly poor) analogy would be a new landlord pissing off regulars in a pub. As long as they are still coming in every night and boozing he'll tolerate all the complaining whilst the vast majority continue to drink in there in the knowledge they'll keep coming back bar the odd few who will drift away and he'll keep fobbing people off. If everyone decided to stop going to that pub until changes were made he would suddenly think "Right perhaps I do need to change things otherwise I'll be out of business by the weekend."
When read in context it's not one to get overly excited about. I must admit that comments like those do bug me though. For the fifth home game in the last six we saw the team go 2-0 behind, what does he really want us to do at that point?
Sit there in silence or if you really don't like it then leave?
This isnt a dig at the comment I'm quoting now but people say: Oh if that was my line of work and I was producing results like that then I'd be sacked... Well how the hell would people on here like it if they got booed and shouted that their rubbish if they made a mistake at work... they'd be straight to HR crying their eyes out!!
pay me £8000 a week and you can call me anything you want.
Your human so those receiving the abuse and insults will get to you eventually...
If not you then it'll probably effect your family that are sitting in the stands supporting you
Baldybonce human? That's hit me for six I had him down as a super hero for us follicly challenged Addicks
KF really should have a word with JBG about his concentration and application to the task, if KF didn't see/hear the protest because he was so involved in the game how did JBG?
When read in context it's not one to get overly excited about. I must admit that comments like those do bug me though. For the fifth home game in the last six we saw the team go 2-0 behind, what does he really want us to do at that point?
Sit there in silence or if you really don't like it then leave?
This isnt a dig at the comment I'm quoting now but people say: Oh if that was my line of work and I was producing results like that then I'd be sacked... Well how the hell would people on here like it if they got booed and shouted that their rubbish if they made a mistake at work... they'd be straight to HR crying their eyes out!!
pay me £8000 a week and you can call me anything you want.
Your human so those receiving the abuse and insults will get to you eventually...
If not you then it'll probably effect your family that are sitting in the stands supporting you
No, I would soak up the adulation and cheers when things are good and take it on the chin when things are bad.
When read in context it's not one to get overly excited about. I must admit that comments like those do bug me though. For the fifth home game in the last six we saw the team go 2-0 behind, what does he really want us to do at that point?
Sit there in silence or if you really don't like it then leave?
This isnt a dig at the comment I'm quoting now but people say: Oh if that was my line of work and I was producing results like that then I'd be sacked... Well how the hell would people on here like it if they got booed and shouted that their rubbish if they made a mistake at work... they'd be straight to HR crying their eyes out!!
pay me £8000 a week and you can call me anything you want.
Your human so those receiving the abuse and insults will get to you eventually...
If not you then it'll probably effect your family that are sitting in the stands supporting you
Baldybonce human? That's hit me for six I had him down as a super hero for us follicly challenged Addicks
JBG needs to know that it is possible to support the team and differentiate that from the owners. The 2percent protest is not against the team. I would also like to say to JBG that it is not very nice as a home supporter to see the team getting consistently tanked 3-0 at home on a regular basis and to be effectively run into the ground.
Hmmm so we've won everytime the fans have got behind the team and lost everytime they've been booed off the pitch...
Thats the second player to come out now and say the fans arent helping performances and still the fans think its bullshit, yes people on here have said that its not aimed at the players but if thats the case, protest when the match isnt in progress, there is plenty of time before and after the match to vent our views without it involving the players.
Of course fans cant do that now because they've booed for so many years they know that if they stop that performances will pick up and it'll become completely clear that it is their fault!!.
Yes the old saying is that we pay our money we can say what we want, but if thats the simple case, your not forced to spend your money, dont like it, dont bother!!... In addition its so simple that if a player wants a say, why dont they too just buy a season ticket!!!
If everyone who was protesting didn't bother, there would be a bigger sea of red seats at The Valley.
Personally, I admire the fact that they can still turn up. I don't any more and have no intention of going back to The Valley until there's a significant shift in direction from RD & Co.
Besides, each away day is like a little adventure for me. I've never been one to go away much, but I'm enjoying the change right now.
JBG is missing the point. It is the mismanagement by RD and KM that is being protested about. JGB is an international footballer looking to go to the European Championships and do well. JGB is one of Charltons better players. What does he really think of the team mates/ squad players he knows are not good enough. What good will it do his career being managed/ coached by inexperienced, inadequate managers appointed for the owners convience. That's why we are unhappy JBG, it's as much for you.
We're working on getting in some better fans from the network in the January window.
Hoping some of our younger fans from the local creche are going to break through into the Covered End Choir this season too before moving on to West Ham.
FFS someone get on a plane and bring me a bloody contract. I'm not from the network and I truly care. The transfer fee will be undisclosed though
Not bothered what he says here and don't think anyone should take it too seriously. He's probably frustrated by the club in general as we the fans are and hurting inside he's showing emotion at least and saying how he feels not just kissing everyone's ass. He's being honest.
It's also comments that he may not agree with when asked on a different occasion. Don't look too deeply into this.
it's the quote "its Not Nice" that make me chuckle, does he think those protesting feel good about it, probably not but they like I Worry for our club. We just keep stumbling from one bad decision to another from one bad and I'll timed comment to another.
Have a look at the above picture taken from the West Stand......what stands our more, black and white scarves or thousands of empty red seats?
Nothing personal against those behind the black and white campaign, but I just dont think it is very effective.
But no one is reporting your absence.
Is the CEO being given flyers in the streets about your non-attendance?
Does anyone not reading your posts know that your not attending or why?
Are the media running stories about "Braydex not at game again:crisis talks imminent"?
How effective has you staying away been? Has anything changed as a result.
Yes, staying away hurts them if you've stopped paying but in their arrogance they will say it's because the weather was bad, it's close to Christmas, it was on TV and anyway we have their money and the gate is still officially 16k.
I'm not attacking people who stay away, it's your choice and I understand why. And yes in the long term it hurts them.
but I'd rather have a campaign that is visable and that people can see and that brings change, whoever small or unlikely, before we lose more fans and more income.
SIO and boycotts shouldn't be seen as mutually exclusive options, they are not in competition.
I totally understand what you are saying and perhaps i'm not coming across as being understanding to the black and white protests etc. I am. I do understand why people might choose to take part in it.
Of course, no one is reporting on my absence and I wouldn't expect them to. But a total boycott of one of more games would seriously make the owner think "this cannot carry on", and i'm confident it would get media attention.
Staying away week in week out is killing me. I hate it. I started the season like plenty of others, optimistic if not entirely happy. If still a bit confused. But I still bought season tickets. After a while, I just ended up really not enjoying going to matches. Why should I go? The players are not good enough and the squad is too small. The owner doesn't really care. The CEO resents the fans. What/who am I supporting?
I watched the game on Saturday with my boys in a pub in Essex (so I haven't totally given up on them). I saw absolutely nothing that would make me come back any time soon. The look on KM's face spoke a thousand words. She couldn't have cared less if all those attending had dressed up as Mr Blobby to make their point. They still made noise. They still spent money. She's not interested in what you/us think. She is running a business and if the customers don't like it, they can 'shop' elsewhere. And my fear is.....they are/will.
Fair enough then you and @RodneyCharltonTrotta and others need to start organising a total boycott if you believe that is the only way.
But since SIO couldn't get 40% to 50% to hold up a poster (not that I'm unhappy with the 50% we did get as that is success) I can't see you getting them to not turn up at all.
It's up to people themselves to boycott if they want to. I'm suggesting that it's only such action en masse will see material amendments to the owner's flawed strategy and even then tthere's no guarantee.
Not my place to organise boycotts or coerce others to do so. People nonplussed with it will stop going if they see fit like myself or continue with alternative methods of protest and "dialogue" whilst many will continue to happily attend and not see any issues or reason to protest.
Each to their own.
So how will people know which game or games to boycott?
How will they know that such an idea exists? Or what the aims are?
Seems a strange kind of boycott that doesn't ask people to boycott or say why?
If there was to be an organised boycott, I believe those boycotting should consider attending an away game (and away games in general) instead. That would make it clear that those boycotting believe there is something specifically wrong at the Valley but they continue to support the team.
I believe that was the approach of a significant part of the Brighton fanbase, meaning they had big away crowds while they were stuck at the Withdean.
Obviously all of our away games until the end of February are up north and it's easier and closer for Brighton to go to away games up north etc etc.
If you want to support the team then attend, going to a game and booing for 90mins seems like a rediculous thing to do
Completely agree with this... If you want to get behind the team make some noise and support them, if you don't like how they're playing then just remain silent or leave because the booing doesnt help.
Isnt there the saying... Silence speaks a thousand words?
Not sure if you were at this game, or the ones against Preston or Brentford - but there really isn't that much booing going on considering how terrible things are. Most are just sat there in silence/apathy, as I suspect a lot of people are past the point of anger and are just accepting of the fact that we are a club that is absolutely up the creek.
Can you imagine the likes of Leeds, Millwall or any other Football League club for that matter giving players an easy time like we have after so many thrashings at home?
I'm at every home game... Are you serious to say there wasn't much booing at those games, a goal only had to go in against Brentford and the fans would boo
My other half refuses to attend matches now because she's fed up of the negative rubbish the fans come out with!!
If you want to support the team then attend, going to a game and booing for 90mins seems like a rediculous thing to do
Completely agree with this... If you want to get behind the team make some noise and support them, if you don't like how they're playing then just remain silent or leave because the booing doesnt help.
Isnt there the saying... Silence speaks a thousand words?
Not sure if you were at this game, or the ones against Preston or Brentford - but there really isn't that much booing going on considering how terrible things are. Most are just sat there in silence/apathy, as I suspect a lot of people are past the point of anger and are just accepting of the fact that we are a club that is absolutely up the creek.
Can you imagine the likes of Leeds, Millwall or any other Football League club for that matter giving players an easy time like we have after so many thrashings at home?
I'm at every home game... Are you serious to say there wasn't much booing at those games, a goal only had to go in against Brentford and the fans would boo
My other half refuses to attend matches now because she's fed up of the negative rubbish the fans come out with!!
People were booing after conceding agaisnt Brentford because it was on the back of about two months of other games without any wins! Not to mention the fact we had also lost 0-3 at home to Preston a few days earlier.
There is only so much supporters can take before they start showing their displeasure. Charlton fans are actually very tame in this respect. Many other clubs would have fans who would be spotted throwing season tickets at the manager or rabidly trying to get in the faces of players as they leave the pitch if they had gone on such a bad losing streak as ours.
I agree that booing rarely works. But with this ownership situation I guess people just feel helpless and in that moment want to show whatever displeasure they can.
Charlton players get an easy ride with our fanbase.
Actually the protest can take different forms and one that doesn't affect the players should also be considered. It's not a black and white situation (excuse the pun) where protest can ONLYbe during the game. However during the game is when there is an audience; one that you wont get elsewhere.
Johann - it's not nice watching an Icelandic international playing like an Icelandic trawlerman either.
Bit strong. He's not played as well as last season but is still a good player and one of the best we've had since our Premiership days. Every time he got into a potentially dangerous position on Saturday three Ipswich players crowded him out. It's up to KF to work out what we do when other teams focus on JBG which they are doing this year.
Johann - it's not nice watching an Icelandic international playing like an Icelandic trawlerman either.
Bit strong. He's not played as well as last season but is still a good player and one of the best we've had since our Premiership days. Every time he got into a potentially dangerous position on Saturday three Ipswich players crowded him out. It's up to KF to work out what we do when other teams focus on JBG which they are doing this year.
Yes he is a good player. I've been a good fan. I just don't think he's got the right to moan about our protesting when he and the team aren't playing consistently well every week. He's coasting.
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How will they know that such an idea exists? Or what the aims are?
Seems a strange kind of boycott that doesn't ask people to boycott or say why?
Just to be clear, I would have joined in the protest in the second minute had I not been stuck on the A2 for about 45 minutes and missed it (I pretty much sprinted to the ground from Charlton Park but that was a waste of time as I got into the ground exactly as the minute ended. Sadder still, my legs still ache from it today!).
Bad luck is not the reason we are one point above the relegation zone
I'm not talking about an organised boycott for a specific game rather than stop going if unhappy to get the point across. My point is that I am not happy with the strategy/ recruitment of manager and players and nonplussed with the refusal to admit mistakes and the lies/ spin they've tried to give the fans and therefore have taken the personal decision to stop going until there is a change in direction in terms of the strategy i.e. better manager recruitment and giving the manager the responsibility of recruiting the squad with minimal interference.
Others may have the same reasons for being unhappy and/ or may have different reasons. So it would be difficult to gauge what everyone is unhappy about without canvassing opinion of the entire fan base. Even then there are likely thousands who are not unhappy at all.
Therefore I choose not to go and suggest those who are unhappy also stop attending....because the club would then notice a huge drop off in numbers. This would make them twitchy because advertisers and sponsors surely factor in things like matchday attendance when negotiating deals etc. I doubt they (sponsors/ advertisers) would necessarily even be aware of the significance of black and white scarfs etc.
Also it would surely plant serious seeds of doubt in the club's mind about season ticket renewals which would cause concern when budgeting for next season.Whilst disgruntled people still physically turn up each game it gives the illusion that all's well when if compared to if there were 15,000 empty seats and the absence of 7 or 8k of season ticket holders at each game.If people who are unhappy stopped going then within a couple of games the club would surely react and ask why people are not going. And then people could let them no why...which let's face it they pretty much already have since Woolwich.
This way people are just drifting off and disengaging week on week and it will be a slow drawn out death.
An (admittedly poor)
analogy would be a new landlord pissing off regulars in a pub. As long as they are still coming in every night and boozing he'll tolerate all the complaining whilst the vast majority continue to drink in there in the knowledge they'll keep coming back bar the odd few who will drift away and he'll keep fobbing people off. If everyone decided to stop going to that pub until changes were made he would suddenly think "Right perhaps I do need to change things otherwise I'll be out of business by the weekend."
By all means, protest before and after the game but not during the game!
you know it.
Personally, I admire the fact that they can still turn up. I don't any more and have no intention of going back to The Valley until there's a significant shift in direction from RD & Co.
Besides, each away day is like a little adventure for me. I've never been one to go away much, but I'm enjoying the change right now.
What does he really think of the team mates/ squad players he knows are not good enough. What good will it do his career being managed/ coached by inexperienced, inadequate managers appointed for the owners convience.
That's why we are unhappy JBG, it's as much for you.
He's probably frustrated by the club in general as we the fans are and hurting inside he's showing emotion at least and saying how he feels not just kissing everyone's ass. He's being honest.
It's also comments that he may not agree with when asked on a different occasion. Don't look too deeply into this.
I believe that was the approach of a significant part of the Brighton fanbase, meaning they had big away crowds while they were stuck at the Withdean.
Obviously all of our away games until the end of February are up north and it's easier and closer for Brighton to go to away games up north etc etc.
There is only so much supporters can take before they start showing their displeasure. Charlton fans are actually very tame in this respect. Many other clubs would have fans who would be spotted throwing season tickets at the manager or rabidly trying to get in the faces of players as they leave the pitch if they had gone on such a bad losing streak as ours.
I agree that booing rarely works. But with this ownership situation I guess people just feel helpless and in that moment want to show whatever displeasure they can.
Charlton players get an easy ride with our fanbase.
Lets hope he has a good Euro championships so RD gets a decent fee!!!
He's coasting.