I am somewhat of an exiled Addick. Having been a season ticket holder for a decade, when family and work dictated I have been fairly poor at being at matches for a few years. Done more away than home! What I want to know is: a) What do CARD want? Not rhetoric or waffle, spell out for me what you want b) Why do you want it? Again please avoid rhetoric. We all want a "better" Charlton, but what does that mean... c) What makes you think you know better than a businessman who has made millions versus you who, I assume have not been successful in either business or football (am I wrong and there is a multi multi millionaire here, or ex-pro who made millions - if so, why are you not buying the club)? d) Who do you know who wants to buy the club? If you don't know who is buying it, then why ask RD to sell? Could push him out and get...no-one, ie. oblivion. e) What are their intentions for the club / background and experience in business and football.
I know this won't be popular, but seriously, if you don't have these answers then I can't support you in your actions, and other fans should think about it...
I am not a multimillionaire. I must therefore assume that RD would be better at my job than I am.
Also I am going to insist from now on that I only allow multimillionaires to do the MOT on my car, treat me for injury or illness, teach my children or serve me in restaurants. I can then be sure of getting the best possible expertise in these important areas of my life.
So what's happening now then....? What's the plan guys?
I would hope it wouldn't change. So they've got rid of the guy lowest on the totem pole. So what? Although he was part of the problem, the real issue is the group that put him there.
It always easy for them to blame the manager/coach without considering their own culpability. That's why we always hire contract project managers - built in scapegoat
As said, knew it wouldn't go down well, but thought it worth asking. To confirm, I have read hours on this site, and cannot find the answers - hence the question. I haven't placed money as the only criteria, but you do need money and as such a successful businessman needs to be acknowledged - same as all others who own clubs. I am a Charlton fan and supporter, but I honestly think you need to consider the questions and answers, as in my opinion you haven't answered a and b at all. As for the rest - the answer I have had is that you hope a new owner is better, and they can't be a great deal worse - wasn't that the same argument against the last lot? And the argument when the ground were chanting for Curbishley out?
I don't think you have the answers - I know I don't. But as a result I'm not joining in the vitriol of get the owners out. He is not running it how you like. Fine. But is the solution to get someone new, who may be worse (may be better, agreed). But you don't know.
Now if you were putting together a fund to buy the club, and have it run by (for example Murray as you trust him from the past) or someone else you like then that would be of interest, but just shouting, screaming, and chanting to get out the only person who currently keeps the club alive - are you lot serious?
Firstly thank you for providing and organising a means by which we can protest forcefully against the current regime. I wonder what our manager situation would be now, had we not made our voices heard. For me, the appointment of Riga after this regime being reluctantly dragged to the listening corner, means little. Riga is the knee jerk reaction to virtual collapse of the first team's ability to compete in this league. That is the result of gross incompetence. Now Riga may be able to reverse this, it is equally likely he will not, in my view. Personally I am not convinced. But I sincerely hope he does. Because for the time being it will see off what would be a complete catastrophe for the club. Such has been the utter shambles we have witnessed in the running of this club in recent months I believe RD and co have lost the right to our support. So I will be attending the protests but not the games. We need to see a complete turnaround in their attitude towards the governance of this club and its supporters or they need to leave in my view.
As said, knew it wouldn't go down well, but thought it worth asking. To confirm, I have read hours on this site, and cannot find the answers - hence the question. I haven't placed money as the only criteria, but you do need money and as such a successful businessman needs to be acknowledged - same as all others who own clubs. I am a Charlton fan and supporter, but I honestly think you need to consider the questions and answers, as in my opinion you haven't answered a and b at all. As for the rest - the answer I have had is that you hope a new owner is better, and they can't be a great deal worse - wasn't that the same argument against the last lot? And the argument when the ground were chanting for Curbishley out?
I don't think you have the answers - I know I don't. But as a result I'm not joining in the vitriol of get the owners out. He is not running it how you like. Fine. But is the solution to get someone new, who may be worse (may be better, agreed). But you don't know.
Now if you were putting together a fund to buy the club, and have it run by (for example Murray as you trust him from the past) or someone else you like then that would be of interest, but just shouting, screaming, and chanting to get out the only person who currently keeps the club alive - are you lot serious?
That never happened.
I know it's completely off topic but as an aside, I have been going on holiday to the same place every year for the past few years. I don't really like it there and certainly don't look forward to going but I'm pretty concerned that if I go somewhere else then I may dislike that more. I guess I'm right in feeling that my hands are tied and I'm just going to have to keep going back. It is expensive there so I guess it must be good.
@Cambridge - maybe one of the last RD apologists, very thin on the ground now. Maybe being distant from the Club hasn't exposed you to exactly how bad things are and if fans like me, a season ticket holder every season since the early eighties, can walk away next season then trust me things are bad. Thanks for telling us you wont be donating though, much appreciated.
By the way we know of a prospective new owner, put forward by PV the ex CEO, and he wouldn't have done so unless he thought them a better bet than Roland. I'd suggest you have not read this site as much as you claim otherwise you would be more than aware of that.
As said, knew it wouldn't go down well, but thought it worth asking. To confirm, I have read hours on this site, and cannot find the answers - hence the question. I haven't placed money as the only criteria, but you do need money and as such a successful businessman needs to be acknowledged - same as all others who own clubs. I am a Charlton fan and supporter, but I honestly think you need to consider the questions and answers, as in my opinion you haven't answered a and b at all. As for the rest - the answer I have had is that you hope a new owner is better, and they can't be a great deal worse - wasn't that the same argument against the last lot? And the argument when the ground were chanting for Curbishley out?
I don't think you have the answers - I know I don't. But as a result I'm not joining in the vitriol of get the owners out. He is not running it how you like. Fine. But is the solution to get someone new, who may be worse (may be better, agreed). But you don't know.
Now if you were putting together a fund to buy the club, and have it run by (for example Murray as you trust him from the past) or someone else you like then that would be of interest, but just shouting, screaming, and chanting to get out the only person who currently keeps the club alive - are you lot serious?
You're bizarre.
Thank God you're so vastly outnumbered by people who believe we deserve a better future and will fight to bring that in whatever small or large way we can. The fans have saved this club before, and we're going to do it again.
As said, knew it wouldn't go down well, but thought it worth asking. To confirm, I have read hours on this site, and cannot find the answers - hence the question. I haven't placed money as the only criteria, but you do need money and as such a successful businessman needs to be acknowledged - same as all others who own clubs. I am a Charlton fan and supporter, but I honestly think you need to consider the questions and answers, as in my opinion you haven't answered a and b at all. As for the rest - the answer I have had is that you hope a new owner is better, and they can't be a great deal worse - wasn't that the same argument against the last lot? And the argument when the ground were chanting for Curbishley out?
I don't think you have the answers - I know I don't. But as a result I'm not joining in the vitriol of get the owners out. He is not running it how you like. Fine. But is the solution to get someone new, who may be worse (may be better, agreed). But you don't know.
Now if you were putting together a fund to buy the club, and have it run by (for example Murray as you trust him from the past) or someone else you like then that would be of interest, but just shouting, screaming, and chanting to get out the only person who currently keeps the club alive - are you lot serious?
If we put a fund together and somehow managed to buy the club, Murray would now be nowhere in our nominees to run it.
Cambridge- Of course you are entitled to give an alternate view. You sound a little condescending in giving your opinions, but if you have not been persuaded by the many articulate articles and views expressed on here, which in my view, perfectly counter your assertion that a rich man must be credible and well skilled at any venture he chooses, then I will leave you happy in your own personal beliefs :-)
Will try to have a proper listen of this at some point. My French isn't that great but I think the interviewer asks him why he's changed coaches so often and he says he's using the Japanese business method of continuous change to improve (kaizen). He might have said something about each coach being better than the last - similar to the things spouted by his jumped up grad trainee CEO.
Thanks for the interpretation. I have not come across Kaizen before but I don't think that Roland understands it, quite the opposite in fact:
Good processes bring good results Go see for yourself to grasp the current situation Speak with data, manage by facts Take action to contain and correct root causes of problems Work as a team Kaizen is everybody’s business
Will try to have a proper listen of this at some point. My French isn't that great but I think the interviewer asks him why he's changed coaches so often and he says he's using the Japanese business method of continuous change to improve (kaizen). He might have said something about each coach being better than the last - similar to the things spouted by his jumped up grad trainee CEO.
Thanks for the interpretation. I have not come across Kaizen before but I don't think that Roland understands it, quite the opposite in fact:
Good processes bring good results Go see for yourself to grasp the current situation Speak with data, manage by facts Take action to contain and correct root causes of problems Work as a team Kaizen is everybody’s business
As said, knew it wouldn't go down well, but thought it worth asking. To confirm, I have read hours on this site, and cannot find the answers - hence the question. I haven't placed money as the only criteria, but you do need money and as such a successful businessman needs to be acknowledged - same as all others who own clubs. I am a Charlton fan and supporter, but I honestly think you need to consider the questions and answers, as in my opinion you haven't answered a and b at all. As for the rest - the answer I have had is that you hope a new owner is better, and they can't be a great deal worse - wasn't that the same argument against the last lot? And the argument when the ground were chanting for Curbishley out?
I don't think you have the answers - I know I don't. But as a result I'm not joining in the vitriol of get the owners out. He is not running it how you like. Fine. But is the solution to get someone new, who may be worse (may be better, agreed). But you don't know.
Now if you were putting together a fund to buy the club, and have it run by (for example Murray as you trust him from the past) or someone else you like then that would be of interest, but just shouting, screaming, and chanting to get out the only person who currently keeps the club alive - are you lot serious?
As said, knew it wouldn't go down well, but thought it worth asking. To confirm, I have read hours on this site, and cannot find the answers - hence the question. I haven't placed money as the only criteria, but you do need money and as such a successful businessman needs to be acknowledged - same as all others who own clubs. I am a Charlton fan and supporter, but I honestly think you need to consider the questions and answers, as in my opinion you haven't answered a and b at all. As for the rest - the answer I have had is that you hope a new owner is better, and they can't be a great deal worse - wasn't that the same argument against the last lot? And the argument when the ground were chanting for Curbishley out?
I don't think you have the answers - I know I don't. But as a result I'm not joining in the vitriol of get the owners out. He is not running it how you like. Fine. But is the solution to get someone new, who may be worse (may be better, agreed). But you don't know.
Now if you were putting together a fund to buy the club, and have it run by (for example Murray as you trust him from the past) or someone else you like then that would be of interest, but just shouting, screaming, and chanting to get out the only person who currently keeps the club alive - are you lot serious?
As said, knew it wouldn't go down well, but thought it worth asking. To confirm, I have read hours on this site, and cannot find the answers - hence the question. I haven't placed money as the only criteria, but you do need money and as such a successful businessman needs to be acknowledged - same as all others who own clubs. I am a Charlton fan and supporter, but I honestly think you need to consider the questions and answers, as in my opinion you haven't answered a and b at all. As for the rest - the answer I have had is that you hope a new owner is better, and they can't be a great deal worse - wasn't that the same argument against the last lot? And the argument when the ground were chanting for Curbishley out?
I don't think you have the answers - I know I don't. But as a result I'm not joining in the vitriol of get the owners out. He is not running it how you like. Fine. But is the solution to get someone new, who may be worse (may be better, agreed). But you don't know.
Now if you were putting together a fund to buy the club, and have it run by (for example Murray as you trust him from the past) or someone else you like then that would be of interest, but just shouting, screaming, and chanting to get out the only person who currently keeps the club alive - are you lot serious?
Club employee ?
New Head of Comms?
Good shout. Joined CL in November, around the time we heard of a new Head of Comms, wouldn't surprise me.
I am somewhat of an exiled Addick. Having been a season ticket holder for a decade, when family and work dictated I have been fairly poor at being at matches for a few years. Done more away than home! What I want to know is: a) What do CARD want? Not rhetoric or waffle, spell out for me what you want b) Why do you want it? Again please avoid rhetoric. We all want a "better" Charlton, but what does that mean... c) What makes you think you know better than a businessman who has made millions versus you who, I assume have not been successful in either business or football (am I wrong and there is a multi multi millionaire here, or ex-pro who made millions - if so, why are you not buying the club)? d) Who do you know who wants to buy the club? If you don't know who is buying it, then why ask RD to sell? Could push him out and get...no-one, ie. oblivion. e) What are their intentions for the club / background and experience in business and football.
I know this won't be popular, but seriously, if you don't have these answers then I can't support you in your actions, and other fans should think about it...
Just out of interest when was the last time you enjoyed the Valley 'match day experience' then and what was your last away game?
As said, knew it wouldn't go down well, but thought it worth asking. To confirm, I have read hours on this site, and cannot find the answers - hence the question. I haven't placed money as the only criteria, but you do need money and as such a successful businessman needs to be acknowledged - same as all others who own clubs. I am a Charlton fan and supporter, but I honestly think you need to consider the questions and answers, as in my opinion you haven't answered a and b at all. As for the rest - the answer I have had is that you hope a new owner is better, and they can't be a great deal worse - wasn't that the same argument against the last lot? And the argument when the ground were chanting for Curbishley out?
I don't think you have the answers - I know I don't. But as a result I'm not joining in the vitriol of get the owners out. He is not running it how you like. Fine. But is the solution to get someone new, who may be worse (may be better, agreed). But you don't know.
Now if you were putting together a fund to buy the club, and have it run by (for example Murray as you trust him from the past) or someone else you like then that would be of interest, but just shouting, screaming, and chanting to get out the only person who currently keeps the club alive - are you lot serious?
Club employee ?
New Head of Comms?
Good shout. Joined CL in November, around the time we heard of a new Head of Comms, wouldn't surprise me.
I think "when the ground were chanting for Curbishley out", quite apart from the curious phrasing, is a bit of a giveaway for Cambridge's claim to be a fan.
And, with apologies to Weegie, doesn't Cambridge have something of a reputation for double agents anyway?
As said, knew it wouldn't go down well, but thought it worth asking. To confirm, I have read hours on this site, and cannot find the answers - hence the question. I haven't placed money as the only criteria, but you do need money and as such a successful businessman needs to be acknowledged - same as all others who own clubs. I am a Charlton fan and supporter, but I honestly think you need to consider the questions and answers, as in my opinion you haven't answered a and b at all. As for the rest - the answer I have had is that you hope a new owner is better, and they can't be a great deal worse - wasn't that the same argument against the last lot? And the argument when the ground were chanting for Curbishley out?
I don't think you have the answers - I know I don't. But as a result I'm not joining in the vitriol of get the owners out. He is not running it how you like. Fine. But is the solution to get someone new, who may be worse (may be better, agreed). But you don't know.
Now if you were putting together a fund to buy the club, and have it run by (for example Murray as you trust him from the past) or someone else you like then that would be of interest, but just shouting, screaming, and chanting to get out the only person who currently keeps the club alive - are you lot serious?
Club employee ?
I thought the same actually.. posting history is hardly enlightening either.
Cambridge, is English your first language? Some of your turn of phrase suggests it may not be your native tongue?
Also, why is it that I can't help picturing a female Belgian accent when I read through your condescending points about your fellow "fans and supporters?" Very strange.....
Cambridge isn't that where you went to university is it? You have the right attitude to being a customer of a cinema or restaurant. The existence is more important than the winning as far as you are concerned. If the regime is successful you are the ideal customer. The problem the regime have is that along with myself many true supporters will be saying " I'm OUT" until you lot GET OUT
If you were a true fan you would get it.
Support the Team not the Regime aka The Muppets & Puppets
Not comfortable with the rounding on one poster and their views, due to what they post being opposite, whether genuine or not.
Whilst we (CL) as a platform support the protest action, largely because we now feel it is an accurate reflection of the majority of our users views, that does not mean that other views should not be tolerated or run out of town. That has never been how we operate.
One persons view / post should not derail the intention of a thread or a wider campaign, and we should all be able to absorb challenge / criticism along the way, whether genuine or not, as it will undoubtedly happen.
But it is really encouraging the wider reaction to different groups liaising and assisting each other towards a common goal, and this will hopefully lead to a range of approaches over the coming months. Not all of them will be big ticket or stand-out, but there are many ways to skin a cat and hopefully we can try and make it as collectively successful as we can.
If anyone has any specific thoughts, ideas that maybe haven't been mentioned and you want to run past / integrate others, please drop me an inbox message and I'll happily collate and pass on, cheers.
Campaigning Charlton fans came together on Tuesday night to formulate plans to step up protests aimed at forcing the owner Roland Duchatelet to put the club up for sale.
Supporters from Anti Roland Demos, Spell It Out and Voice of The Valley, who have all organised protests at recent matches, were joined by representatives of the Charlton Life message board and the Charlton Fans Protest Fund, as well as others.
They agreed to work together under the banner of CARD (Coalition Against Roland Duchatelet) and to follow up recent demonstrations against the owner with another major post-match rally in the west stand car park immediately following the Blackburn Rovers home game on January 23rd.
However, recognising that further and less predictable initiatives are also required, additional action will also be disclosed on the day of the Blackburn game itself.
This will not involve a pre-match demonstration in the car park, but plans are being kept flexible in order to be able to respond to developments, including around the managerial situation.
An immediate objective for the group, which is working on a series of short and medium-term actions to impact on the club, is to force significant changes in its senior management.
The meeting was also attended by observers from the board of the Charlton Athletic Supporters’ Trust. All present played a full part in discussions at a very productive and consensual meeting.
At this stage, CARD simply wants to assure Charlton fans that we are working together to try to bring a swift and positive end to the current crisis at the club.
If Cambridge is saying it is only Roland they have not been paying attention. There are potential alternatives and Roland has manifestly failed, despite Katrien saying he doesn't do failure, he already has.
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Also I am going to insist from now on that I only allow multimillionaires to do the MOT on my car, treat me for injury or illness, teach my children or serve me in restaurants. I can then be sure of getting the best possible expertise in these important areas of my life.
Simples.
It always easy for them to blame the manager/coach without considering their own culpability. That's why we always hire contract project managers - built in scapegoat
To confirm, I have read hours on this site, and cannot find the answers - hence the question.
I haven't placed money as the only criteria, but you do need money and as such a successful businessman needs to be acknowledged - same as all others who own clubs.
I am a Charlton fan and supporter, but I honestly think you need to consider the questions and answers, as in my opinion you haven't answered a and b at all.
As for the rest - the answer I have had is that you hope a new owner is better, and they can't be a great deal worse - wasn't that the same argument against the last lot? And the argument when the ground were chanting for Curbishley out?
I don't think you have the answers - I know I don't. But as a result I'm not joining in the vitriol of get the owners out. He is not running it how you like. Fine. But is the solution to get someone new, who may be worse (may be better, agreed). But you don't know.
Now if you were putting together a fund to buy the club, and have it run by (for example Murray as you trust him from the past) or someone else you like then that would be of interest, but just shouting, screaming, and chanting to get out the only person who currently keeps the club alive - are you lot serious?
For me, the appointment of Riga after this regime being reluctantly dragged to the listening corner, means little. Riga is the knee jerk reaction to virtual collapse of the first team's ability to compete in this league. That is the result of gross incompetence. Now Riga may be able to reverse this, it is equally likely he will not, in my view. Personally I am not convinced. But I sincerely hope he does. Because for the time being it will see off what would be a complete catastrophe for the club.
Such has been the utter shambles we have witnessed in the running of this club in recent months I believe RD and co have lost the right to our support. So I will be attending the protests but not the games. We need to see a complete turnaround in their attitude towards the governance of this club and its supporters or they need to leave in my view.
Yes.
No problem you holding your view, that's the joys of free speech.
All the best
I know it's completely off topic but as an aside, I have been going on holiday to the same place every year for the past few years. I don't really like it there and certainly don't look forward to going but I'm pretty concerned that if I go somewhere else then I may dislike that more. I guess I'm right in feeling that my hands are tied and I'm just going to have to keep going back. It is expensive there so I guess it must be good.
By the way we know of a prospective new owner, put forward by PV the ex CEO, and he wouldn't have done so unless he thought them a better bet than Roland. I'd suggest you have not read this site as much as you claim otherwise you would be more than aware of that.
Thank God you're so vastly outnumbered by people who believe we deserve a better future and will fight to bring that in whatever small or large way we can. The fans have saved this club before, and we're going to do it again.
Of course you are entitled to give an alternate view. You sound a little condescending in giving your opinions, but if you have not been persuaded by the many articulate articles and views expressed on here, which in my view, perfectly counter your assertion that a rich man must be credible and well skilled at any venture he chooses, then I will leave you happy in your own personal beliefs :-)
Good processes bring good results
Go see for yourself to grasp the current situation
Speak with data, manage by facts
Take action to contain and correct root causes of problems
Work as a team
Kaizen is everybody’s business
https://www.kaizen.com/about-us/definition-of-kaizen.html
Just out of interest when was the last time you enjoyed the Valley 'match day experience' then and what was your last away game?
And, with apologies to Weegie, doesn't Cambridge have something of a reputation for double agents anyway?
PS. Look carefully and you might see I was first to rumble @Cambridge...
Also, why is it that I can't help picturing a female Belgian accent when I read through your condescending points about your fellow "fans and supporters?" Very strange.....
You have the right attitude to being a customer of a cinema or restaurant. The existence is more important than the winning as far as you are concerned. If the regime is successful you are the ideal customer. The problem the regime have is that along with myself many true supporters will be saying " I'm OUT" until you lot GET OUT
If you were a true fan you would get it.
Support the Team not the Regime aka The Muppets & Puppets
Whilst we (CL) as a platform support the protest action, largely because we now feel it is an accurate reflection of the majority of our users views, that does not mean that other views should not be tolerated or run out of town. That has never been how we operate.
One persons view / post should not derail the intention of a thread or a wider campaign, and we should all be able to absorb challenge / criticism along the way, whether genuine or not, as it will undoubtedly happen.
But it is really encouraging the wider reaction to different groups liaising and assisting each other towards a common goal, and this will hopefully lead to a range of approaches over the coming months. Not all of them will be big ticket or stand-out, but there are many ways to skin a cat and hopefully we can try and make it as collectively successful as we can.
If anyone has any specific thoughts, ideas that maybe haven't been mentioned and you want to run past / integrate others, please drop me an inbox message and I'll happily collate and pass on, cheers.