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Explosion at Brussels airport
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It's a valid pointClem_Snide said:Every now again you read something so crass on Social Media that you have to double take. Did she really bring the Brexit into this?
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They'd be partly correct.shine166 said:Big_Bad_World said:
Wrong, again.se9addick said:
You keep repeating this "people are afraid to say it's the fault of Islam because they're afraid of upsetting others" but it isn't that, people aren't afraid to say it - they just know it isn't true. There are a myriad of factors, this misinterpretation of Islam by some nutters is just one of them.Big_Bad_World said:
Not completely, no. However, it accounts for a large majority of terrorist incidents.LuckyReds said:
Nor is it defined by religion, an aspersion you seemingly cast in your initial post.Big_Bad_World said:
I don't believe, nor have I said, that 'it's all of that lot'. That's the sort of assumption that is banded about whenever issues are raised about a minority of a scetion of society.LuckyReds said:
I think @se9addick is most likely suggesting that, above all, there's a time and a place for those observations. When the news regarding casualties and fatalities is still coming in, and in fact, it turns out the attack is still in progress (i.e the Metro bomb) probably isn't one of those times.Big_Bad_World said:
Your spidey senses seem to be in tip top form. However, condolences to those affected are a given in these situations.se9addick said:Big_Bad_World said:This incident has nothing whatsoever to do with religion or those that follow religion.
No siree.
I'm detecting a theme in your posts and it isn't one that has shown any condolence to the people affected, in either of your two posts on the subject.Big_Bad_World said:
More a dark day for a certain section of society.LuckyReds said:
Another dark day for society.Redmidland said:From Twitter-:
Local media reporting that firemen found other unexploded bombs, federal police confirm at lest one dead at #Brussels airport
Most of society will pull together and show togetherness. A smal minority will continue to shout loudly until such a time that they are eradicated from the face of the planet.
Sad but true.
RIP to those killed, I hope the Belgian police get their act together and find those responsible.
You've chosen to post condolences wheras I've posted about the common denominator in all of these tragedies that a lot of people feel uincomfortable highlighting for a multitude of strange reasons.
Each to their own, old chap.
Purely for peace of mind, as wont be able to get a good nights sleep without knowing your stance on this, what part of either of my posts is untrue?
You're correct in that there is a common attribute amongst those involved, however I'd also suggest that there are more common themes than the obvious one though. The situation is more complex than simply "it's all of that lot, y'know - the ones who don't believe what we believe and are a slightly darker shade of our colour!".
The insinuation that there must be racist undertones is offensive in itself. Terrorism isn't defined by colour.
To absolve religion, or the interpretation of it, completely from blame is a dangerous road to tread.
I get that people are scared to call things as they are as they're afraid of upsetting or offending others. The trouble is that if someone gets offended by others calling out the actions of a person that they should be distancing themselves from, purely because they practice a variation of your faith/religion and you see the calling out as a direct attack on your faith, then something is wrong and moral compasses need to be revisited and recalibrated.
I haven't blamed 'Islam'. No matter how many times you misquote me, it wont make your quotings true.
Interpretations of Islam are at the forefront of these attacks. To suggest otherwise is preposterous.
It's not the fault of 'Islam', no, but it most definitely has something to do with Islam and the interpretations of it.
If you are going to spout bollox, then so am I.
Some might go as far as saying us meddling in Iraq,Libya etc has caused this.
Weren't expecting that, were you?0 -
Knew it would only be a matter of time before someone posted suggesting it's all our fault.0
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That's Social media at it's finest.Clem_Snide said:Every now again you read something so crass on Social Media that you have to double take. Did she really bring the Brexit into this?
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Yep, still confused as to what thats got to do with this.ForeverAddickted said:
Basically saying that we might hate Roland / Katrien and that we say; "God I hate Belgians" when we lose a match or when our owners do something bad but at the end of the day it doesnt mean we do hate all Belgians and it doesnt mean that all Belgians are cut from the same clothricky_otto said:
What they hell are at you on about?AddickFC81 said:Just because the owners we don't like are Belgian doesn't mean that all Belgians are bad people. Most Belgians are perfect people and I stll have nothing against Belium or Belgian people in general.
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A very grave day again. I have a colleague who was at the airport thankfully unharmed but very badly shaken up. He cannot leave as the car park is in lock down as they believe other bombs may have been planted.
There is a lot of comment regarding cause as to why these people do what they do all I would say is that our world is substantially more dangerous and I worry for the future of my grandkids. There is no doubt in my mind that at some point our way of life will be overwhelmed by this idealology unless it is confronted head on and eradicated. I am a live and let live kind of person but unfortunately they are not.
I send my condolencies to all those who died and their families.12 -
Big_Bad_World said:
They'd be partly correct.shine166 said:Big_Bad_World said:
Wrong, again.se9addick said:
You keep repeating this "people are afraid to say it's the fault of Islam because they're afraid of upsetting others" but it isn't that, people aren't afraid to say it - they just know it isn't true. There are a myriad of factors, this misinterpretation of Islam by some nutters is just one of them.Big_Bad_World said:
Not completely, no. However, it accounts for a large majority of terrorist incidents.LuckyReds said:
Nor is it defined by religion, an aspersion you seemingly cast in your initial post.Big_Bad_World said:
I don't believe, nor have I said, that 'it's all of that lot'. That's the sort of assumption that is banded about whenever issues are raised about a minority of a scetion of society.LuckyReds said:
I think @se9addick is most likely suggesting that, above all, there's a time and a place for those observations. When the news regarding casualties and fatalities is still coming in, and in fact, it turns out the attack is still in progress (i.e the Metro bomb) probably isn't one of those times.Big_Bad_World said:
Your spidey senses seem to be in tip top form. However, condolences to those affected are a given in these situations.se9addick said:Big_Bad_World said:This incident has nothing whatsoever to do with religion or those that follow religion.
No siree.
I'm detecting a theme in your posts and it isn't one that has shown any condolence to the people affected, in either of your two posts on the subject.Big_Bad_World said:
More a dark day for a certain section of society.LuckyReds said:
Another dark day for society.Redmidland said:From Twitter-:
Local media reporting that firemen found other unexploded bombs, federal police confirm at lest one dead at #Brussels airport
Most of society will pull together and show togetherness. A smal minority will continue to shout loudly until such a time that they are eradicated from the face of the planet.
Sad but true.
RIP to those killed, I hope the Belgian police get their act together and find those responsible.
You've chosen to post condolences wheras I've posted about the common denominator in all of these tragedies that a lot of people feel uincomfortable highlighting for a multitude of strange reasons.
Each to their own, old chap.
Purely for peace of mind, as wont be able to get a good nights sleep without knowing your stance on this, what part of either of my posts is untrue?
You're correct in that there is a common attribute amongst those involved, however I'd also suggest that there are more common themes than the obvious one though. The situation is more complex than simply "it's all of that lot, y'know - the ones who don't believe what we believe and are a slightly darker shade of our colour!".
The insinuation that there must be racist undertones is offensive in itself. Terrorism isn't defined by colour.
To absolve religion, or the interpretation of it, completely from blame is a dangerous road to tread.
I get that people are scared to call things as they are as they're afraid of upsetting or offending others. The trouble is that if someone gets offended by others calling out the actions of a person that they should be distancing themselves from, purely because they practice a variation of your faith/religion and you see the calling out as a direct attack on your faith, then something is wrong and moral compasses need to be revisited and recalibrated.
I haven't blamed 'Islam'. No matter how many times you misquote me, it wont make your quotings true.
Interpretations of Islam are at the forefront of these attacks. To suggest otherwise is preposterous.
It's not the fault of 'Islam', no, but it most definitely has something to do with Islam and the interpretations of it.
If you are going to spout bollox, then so am I.
Some might go as far as saying us meddling in Iraq,Libya etc has caused this.
Weren't expecting that, were you?
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Disgusting view. Fortunately the response on twitter seems to be overwhelmingly of the opinion that she's dispicable for using a terrorist attack as a cheap point for Brexit so early on.Clem_Snide said:Every now again you read something so crass on Social Media that you have to double take. Did she really bring the Brexit into this?
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*itsricky_otto said:
That's Social media at it's finest.Clem_Snide said:Every now again you read something so crass on Social Media that you have to double take. Did she really bring the Brexit into this?
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Disgusting?LuckyReds said:
Disgusting view. Fortunately the response on twitter seems to be overwhelmingly of the opinion that she's dispicable for using a terrorist attack as a cheap point for Brexit so early on.Clem_Snide said:Every now again you read something so crass on Social Media that you have to double take. Did she really bring the Brexit into this?
How?!
She is worryingly spot on.
Go on, hide behind Corbyn and the like while we deprive ourselves of all defenses and blame ourselves and our way of life for others acts of inhumanity and terrorism.1 - Sponsored links:
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We're actually at the stage where it is politically incorrect to criticise a belief system that justifies slaughter3
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Her timing is disgusting.Jarman said:
Disgusting?LuckyReds said:
Disgusting view. Fortunately the response on twitter seems to be overwhelmingly of the opinion that she's dispicable for using a terrorist attack as a cheap point for Brexit so early on.Clem_Snide said:Every now again you read something so crass on Social Media that you have to double take. Did she really bring the Brexit into this?
How?!
She is worryingly spot on.
Go on, hide behind Corbyn and the like while we deprive ourselves of all defenses and blame ourselves and our way of life for others acts of inhumanity and terrorism.
Hide behind Corbyn? I'm a card carrying Tory who is actually leaning towards Out. I just believe that using a terrorist attack to further a political agenda whilst people are literally still bleeding in the streets is incredibly low. If you read my other posts you'll see I don't think we should hide, but we should be actively confronting the issue in the communities that are affected.8 -
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Amazes me how something like this can happen but people see it as of way of looking to bicker with someone on a football forum about who's right/wrong.Everyone can have an opinion, but sometimes there's a time and a place.21
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Alright mate calm down.LuckyReds said:
Her timing is disgusting.Jarman said:
Disgusting?LuckyReds said:
Disgusting view. Fortunately the response on twitter seems to be overwhelmingly of the opinion that she's dispicable for using a terrorist attack as a cheap point for Brexit so early on.Clem_Snide said:Every now again you read something so crass on Social Media that you have to double take. Did she really bring the Brexit into this?
How?!
She is worryingly spot on.
Go on, hide behind Corbyn and the like while we deprive ourselves of all defenses and blame ourselves and our way of life for others acts of inhumanity and terrorism.
Hide behind Corbyn? I'm a card carrying Tory, you idiot. I just believe that using a terrorist attack to further a political agenda whilst people are literally still bleeding in the streets is incredibly low. If you read my other posts you'll see I don't think we should hide, but we should be actively confronting the issue in the communities that are affected.
Why don't you go and like some more posts, eh?
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I edited my post.Jarman said:
Alright mate calm down.LuckyReds said:
Her timing is disgusting.Jarman said:
Disgusting?LuckyReds said:
Disgusting view. Fortunately the response on twitter seems to be overwhelmingly of the opinion that she's dispicable for using a terrorist attack as a cheap point for Brexit so early on.Clem_Snide said:Every now again you read something so crass on Social Media that you have to double take. Did she really bring the Brexit into this?
How?!
She is worryingly spot on.
Go on, hide behind Corbyn and the like while we deprive ourselves of all defenses and blame ourselves and our way of life for others acts of inhumanity and terrorism.
Hide behind Corbyn? I'm a card carrying Tory, you idiot. I just believe that using a terrorist attack to further a political agenda whilst people are literally still bleeding in the streets is incredibly low. If you read my other posts you'll see I don't think we should hide, but we should be actively confronting the issue in the communities that are affected.
Why don't you go and like some more posts, eh?
Like some more posts? What on earth are you on? If you're casting aspersions that I do nothing other than "liking some posts", then I'll leave that to you. I'll continue volunteering my time helping develop crisis mapping tools that have been used in response to terrorist attacks, and I'll continue my talks about providing assistance to the counter-extremism think-tank Quilliam.2 -
Who thinks it is "politically incorrect" to criticise the mis-interpretation of Islam to justify slaughter ? Show me one person.cafcnick1992 said:We're actually at the stage where it is politically incorrect to criticise a belief system that justifies slaughter
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@Big_Bad_World
I don't know how old you are ( and will refrain from guessing), so I don't know whether you were around during the Provo IRA terrorism. That remains the nearest any of my nearest and dearest came to being harmed by terrorism ( the Harrods bomb nearly got my sister). Did you go round shouting that it was all the fault of the Catholic Church at the time?
The vast majority of Provo IRA operatives were low life criminal scumbags. The cvs of the current terrorists look remarkably similar.
Just as an aside I'm curious about why you, a Spanner, choose Charlton Life to discuss today's tragic events. are you also on The Lion Rants?19 -
You've just done it yourself. You've assumed that this is some mis-interpretation. Don't get me wrong, millions of Muslims choose to ignore the violent parts of Islam, but it's there; and some sick individuals follow the religion literally.se9addick said:
Who thinks it is "politically incorrect" to criticise the mis-interpretation of Islam to justify slaughter ? Show me one person.cafcnick1992 said:We're actually at the stage where it is politically incorrect to criticise a belief system that justifies slaughter
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ValleyGary said:ForeverAddickted said:
Basically saying that we might hate Roland / Katrien and that we say; "God I hate Belgians" when we lose a match or when our owners do something bad but at the end of the day it doesnt mean we do hate all Belgians and it doesnt mean that all Belgians are cut from the same clothricky_otto said:
What they hell are at you on about?AddickFC81 said:Just because the owners we don't like are Belgian doesn't mean that all Belgians are bad people. Most Belgians are perfect people and I stll have nothing against Belium or Belgian people in general.
Exactly -also I think we have to be ensure now that we clearly show our empathy with the Belgian people despite what has been going on here at Charlton. The fact that RD & KM are Belgian is purely coincidental and it is important at our next home game that we demonstrate by our actions that 1) We extend our sympathy to those caught up in today's events 2) Although we want RD & KM out no 'sick' chants which would in any way be construed as anti-Belgian. I am sure we all have thoughts on this and ideas how to conduct ideas for Apil 2 at home.0 -
Old enough to have lived through them and been directly affected by them.PragueAddick said:@Big_Bad_World
I don't know how old you are ( and will refrain from guessing), so I don't know whether you were around during the Provo IRA terrorism. That remains the nearest any of my nearest and dearest came to being harmed by terrorism ( the Harrods bomb nearly got my sister). Did you go round shouting that it was all the fault of the Catholic Church at the time?
The vast majority of Provo IRA operatives were low life criminal scumbags. The cvs of the current terrorists look remarkably similar.
Just as an aside I'm curious about why you, a Spanner, choose Charlton Life to discuss today's tragic events. are you also on The Lion Rants?
My disdain for the Cathoilic Chuch preceeds me, obviously.
Your curiosity is welcomed. As I have stated in the past, I find discussiosn on this forum to be interesting with a wide and varied spectrum of opinions. Something that you don't find on many football forums.8 -
As do some Christians, Hindus, Jews & Atheists - the common denominator is not the religion but that some scumbags will use religion to justify horrific acts.cafcnick1992 said:
You've just done it yourself. You've assumed that this is some mis-interpretation. Don't get me wrong, millions of Muslims choose to ignore the violent parts of Islam, but it's there; and some sick individuals follow the religion literally.se9addick said:
Who thinks it is "politically incorrect" to criticise the mis-interpretation of Islam to justify slaughter ? Show me one person.cafcnick1992 said:We're actually at the stage where it is politically incorrect to criticise a belief system that justifies slaughter
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@JarmanJarman said:
Disgusting?LuckyReds said:
Disgusting view. Fortunately the response on twitter seems to be overwhelmingly of the opinion that she's dispicable for using a terrorist attack as a cheap point for Brexit so early on.Clem_Snide said:Every now again you read something so crass on Social Media that you have to double take. Did she really bring the Brexit into this?
How?!
She is worryingly spot on.
Go on, hide behind Corbyn and the like while we deprive ourselves of all defenses and blame ourselves and our way of life for others acts of inhumanity and terrorism.
Disgusting, it's disgusting that she is using people's suffering to score political points. It's disgusting that she is trying to stretch that suffering to score political points for some unrelated political cause.
This could have happened anywhere, it's not about Corbyn, or Brexit, or the EU. This is about people who are suffering, with family caught up in this. People who right now couldn't give a flying f--- about your political stance or how right you think she is. You don't use these events to score f---ing political points especially within hours of the event happening.
It beggars belief that you think that statement is defensible let alone acceptable.
And if you dare to make some snarky comment about go and like some more posts then you can go f--- yourself.13 -
Actually a lot of people did.PragueAddick said:@Big_Bad_World
I don't know how old you are ( and will refrain from guessing), so I don't know whether you were around during the Provo IRA terrorism. That remains the nearest any of my nearest and dearest came to being harmed by terrorism ( the Harrods bomb nearly got my sister). Did you go round shouting that it was all the fault of the Catholic Church at the time?
The vast majority of Provo IRA operatives were low life criminal scumbags. The cvs of the current terrorists look remarkably similar.
Just as an aside I'm curious about why you, a Spanner, choose Charlton Life to discuss today's tragic events. are you also on The Lion Rants?
For the record, as one with Muslim extended family and a Roman Catholic myself, the scum that perpetrated the Brussels atrocities today are no more representative of mainstream Islam than the IRA scum were of mainstream Catholicism.
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Do you really think these people who bombed an airport consider themselves not religious and just use it as an excuse?! They fully believe that what they are doing is right and will blow themselves up to show it.se9addick said:
As do some Christians, Hindus, Jews & Atheists - the common denominator is not the religion but that some scumbags will use religion to justify horrific acts.cafcnick1992 said:
You've just done it yourself. You've assumed that this is some mis-interpretation. Don't get me wrong, millions of Muslims choose to ignore the violent parts of Islam, but it's there; and some sick individuals follow the religion literally.se9addick said:
Who thinks it is "politically incorrect" to criticise the mis-interpretation of Islam to justify slaughter ? Show me one person.cafcnick1992 said:We're actually at the stage where it is politically incorrect to criticise a belief system that justifies slaughter
Stop excusing religion. it's evil.0 -
My point, was that regardless of the opinion there is a time and a place for political point scoring and I'm pretty sure it isn't while bodies are probably still laying in the airport and metro station.cafcnick1992 said:
Oh Clem, stop pretending to be outragedClem_Snide said:Every now again you read something so crass on Social Media that you have to double take. Did she really bring the Brexit into this?
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But Prague (and correct me if I'm wrong which is entirely possible) the terrorists we are talking about here are committing these atrocities due to their warped interpretation of their religious text.
The IRA were committing atrocities for completely different reasons.
So how can you ask to compare the fallout accusations??0 -
Very much spot on... "Us" Christians (I was christened but dont believe) arent the most innocent in history.se9addick said:
As do some Christians, Hindus, Jews & Atheists - the common denominator is not the religion but that some scumbags will use religion to justify horrific acts.cafcnick1992 said:
You've just done it yourself. You've assumed that this is some mis-interpretation. Don't get me wrong, millions of Muslims choose to ignore the violent parts of Islam, but it's there; and some sick individuals follow the religion literally.se9addick said:
Who thinks it is "politically incorrect" to criticise the mis-interpretation of Islam to justify slaughter ? Show me one person.cafcnick1992 said:We're actually at the stage where it is politically incorrect to criticise a belief system that justifies slaughter
Just look back at the Crusades and the Siege of Jerusalem in 1099, the Europeans conquered the City and massacred most of the muslims who remained, yes they returned the favour when the Mamluks ended the Crusades by taking Acre yet other than a few hundred years you could ask whats the difference between what we did to them?
Its been back and forth between us and them ever since that day and it needs to stop (both parties)
Sadly though you cant see it happening2
