The fact that players we actually like and are a valuable asset leaving should be no surprise to anyone, hopefully we can offload the mistakes that this stupid regime bought as well.
Well Naby Sarr looks like a loan deal, so it seems not.
Thing is this lot need to learn from Polish Pete etc, if we think they are poor other teams will not want to waste the money on them we have, so get rid rather than loan.
"Get rid" meaning pay up their contracts. Better to loan, get some money in and perhaps they come back improved.
I meant get rid as in accept a fee, there is no point holding out for what we (over)paid for them, we just loan them out (probably without a loan fee) until their contract expires. If we get back a third of what we paid now, that is better than being forced to sell off yet another player that has actually done well for us.
Selling crap for what you can get for it should be taken as read. Unfortunately, other teams are going to want our gold, not our turds, no matter how much we polish them.
The fact that players we actually like and are a valuable asset leaving should be no surprise to anyone, hopefully we can offload the mistakes that this stupid regime bought as well.
Well Naby Sarr looks like a loan deal, so it seems not.
Thing is this lot need to learn from Polish Pete etc, if we think they are poor other teams will not want to waste the money on them we have, so get rid rather than loan.
"Get rid" meaning pay up their contracts. Better to loan, get some money in and perhaps they come back improved.
I meant get rid as in accept a fee, there is no point holding out for what we (over)paid for them, we just loan them out (probably without a loan fee) until their contract expires. If we get back a third of what we paid now, that is better than being forced to sell off yet another player that has actually done well for us.
Selling crap for what you can get for it should be taken as read. Unfortunately, other teams are going to want our gold, not our turds, no matter how much we polish them.
So much for "realising the full value of our young players" - let alone trying to challenge next season in League 1. Hasn't it occurred to RD and KM that, if Popey continued in August where he left off last season, we could end up doing significantly better, both on the field and in terms of any eventual transfer fee ?
Unfortunately, his past dealings illustrate that Duchatelet has always taken a very short term view.
Several more outgoings to follow in short order. Doubtless, in each case, we'll be fed the usual platitudes about "not being able to stand in the player's way" etc, etc.
I agree 100%.
Mind you at 69 it's not surprising he takes a short term view.
Looking at Tom Heaton's history, he's been ever present for Burnley for the last 3 seasons! An excellent keeper, with a good fitness record, so going there you'd struggle to get any match time other than the odd Cup game. I see Paul Robinson was their back up keeper, would Pope be ahead of him?
I'm one of those that have never been completely convinced by Nick. Apparently did very well out on loan yet when given a chance in our first team looked anything but confident and looked suspect doing even the basics.
I think had Nick come into the club on loan like Thuram for example during that period I don't think he would have been given anywhere near the support he was given by many supporters.
Seemed to have a decent end of season during last 12 games but I don't see anything to get over excited about if he does leave.
He does seem like a decent lad and I wish him nothing but success. If it's 850k and it allows us to improve elsewhere then I'm personally happy with that.
£850K. Or to put it another way, 0.425% of the money Burnley have just got on promotion. Well dome KM, great negotiation there.
Are you being serious? whatever it is a % to what Burnley get 850K would be a decent price all round. It's not Championship manager 2003/4 where you keep rejecting bids and they keep coming back with higher bids. This is reality and 850K for a 3rd Tier goalkeeper who has had a good 3rd of a season in the championship. I think Pope has huge amounts of potential but we are in a position where everyone is available at a price and despite everything you she and Roland have done wrong, if they've negotiated 850K for Pope then at this current time I think they've done well.
I hope Pope stays but as good as Heaton is, he's not getting any younger and just like Elliot has at Newcastle, could easily find himself a Premier League number one in time. He'd also earn a nice payday at a stable club.
Or do a Ben Hamer and sit on the bench in the Champion's League. Ben Hamer. A Champion's League player. Let that settle in.
The fact that players we actually like and are a valuable asset leaving should be no surprise to anyone, hopefully we can offload the mistakes that this stupid regime bought as well.
Well Naby Sarr looks like a loan deal, so it seems not.
Thing is this lot need to learn from Polish Pete etc, if we think they are poor other teams will not want to waste the money on them we have, so get rid rather than loan.
"Get rid" meaning pay up their contracts. Better to loan, get some money in and perhaps they come back improved.
I meant get rid as in accept a fee, there is no point holding out for what we (over)paid for them, we just loan them out (probably without a loan fee) until their contract expires. If we get back a third of what we paid now, that is better than being forced to sell off yet another player that has actually done well for us.
Selling crap for what you can get for it should be taken as read. Unfortunately, other teams are going to want our gold, not our turds, no matter how much we polish them.
Somebody idiot always has a turd fetish.
In player terms, I think you'll find that's Roland & co.
Pope was improving but some of the slaughtering he took on here made it seem if we were offered a packet of crisps as a transfer offer in the summer then we would be better off.
Young keeper that made mistakes but got better and better the more game time he had, now theres a surprise.
If he is off for that much then good business all round, except for Pope.
I hope Pope stays but as good as Heaton is, he's not getting any younger and just like Elliot has at Newcastle, could easily find himself a Premier League number one in time. He'd also earn a nice payday at a stable club.
Or do a Ben Hamer and sit on the bench in the Champion's League. Ben Hamer. A Champion's League player. Let that settle in.
Elliot has spent the majority of his Newcastle career bench warming and only played this year due to their keeper getting injured.
Burnley now have a lot of money, back up first team keeper is a significant position. There may be alternatives out there, but Pope has a lot of years ahead of him and would be the right transfer for him and Burnley. It will only be right for Charlton if the finances are good. A decent negotiator ought to get 850 tweaked up to a million, and there ought to be appearance clauses, avoiding relegation clauses, and sell on clauses. Indeed we may have to give Bury Town some of the fee which should be used as a negotiating angle with Burnley. We then have to look to ourselves which would likely mean Dillon with his youth and limited experience. I like Phillips a lot, but making him first team first choice is a risk which they'd better get right.
If Pope goes to Burnley he'll be understudying one of the best keepers in Britain. He'll learn a lot. He's 21, keepers usually 'mature' in their late 20s. Pope could well be England's keeper in 10/12 years time. £850,000 to us right now is a LOT of cash and could virtually pay for a large team rebuilding exercise. How much did Powell spend on the team that got us the last promotion ?
Burnley now have a lot of money, back up first team keeper is a significant position. There may be alternatives out there, but Pope has a lot of years ahead of him and would be the right transfer for him and Burnley. It will only be right for Charlton if the finances are good. A decent negotiator ought to get 850 tweaked up to a million, and there ought to be appearance clauses, avoiding relegation clauses, and sell on clauses. Indeed we may have to give Bury Town some of the fee which should be used as a negotiating angle with Burnley. We then have to look to ourselves which would likely mean Dillon with his youth and limited experience. I like Phillips a lot, but making him first team first choice is a risk which they'd better get right.
If Pope goes to Burnley he'll be understudying one of the best keepers in Britain. He'll learn a lot. He's 21, keepers usually 'mature' in their late 20s. Pope could well be England's keeper in 10/12 years time. £850,000 to us right now is a LOT of cash and could virtually pay for a large team rebuilding exercise. How much did Powell spend on the team that got us the last promotion ?
Pope is 24 Lincs. But as you allude to, keepers have time on their side. However he'll have gone from regular (albeit only of late) first team football to bench warming.
Burnley now have a lot of money, back up first team keeper is a significant position. There may be alternatives out there, but Pope has a lot of years ahead of him and would be the right transfer for him and Burnley. It will only be right for Charlton if the finances are good. A decent negotiator ought to get 850 tweaked up to a million, and there ought to be appearance clauses, avoiding relegation clauses, and sell on clauses. Indeed we may have to give Bury Town some of the fee which should be used as a negotiating angle with Burnley. We then have to look to ourselves which would likely mean Dillon with his youth and limited experience. I like Phillips a lot, but making him first team first choice is a risk which they'd better get right.
If Pope goes to Burnley he'll be understudying one of the best keepers in Britain. He'll learn a lot. He's 21, keepers usually 'mature' in their late 20s. Pope could well be England's keeper in 10/12 years time. £850,000 to us right now is a LOT of cash and could virtually pay for a large team rebuilding exercise. How much did Powell spend on the team that got us the last promotion ?
Pope is 24 Lincs. But as you allude to, keepers have time on their side. However he'll have gone from regular (albeit only of late) first team football to bench warming.
thanks for the correction .. how time flies .. I agree about the bench warming .. BUT .. it's (nearly all nowadays) about the money. Pope could potentially become a millionaire by doing little else than training hard and taking part in the pre game warm ups. Better surely for a young man on the up than trudging around 3rd strata stadia whilst getting paid a 1/2, 1/3, whatever, than he could be earning as a number 2 number 1 (if you get my drift) at a premier club. We agree that keepers have a long shelf life. In a few years Pope could be at the Clarets or another 'top' club as a wealthy man and as a first team regular.
Burnley now have a lot of money, back up first team keeper is a significant position. There may be alternatives out there, but Pope has a lot of years ahead of him and would be the right transfer for him and Burnley. It will only be right for Charlton if the finances are good. A decent negotiator ought to get 850 tweaked up to a million, and there ought to be appearance clauses, avoiding relegation clauses, and sell on clauses. Indeed we may have to give Bury Town some of the fee which should be used as a negotiating angle with Burnley. We then have to look to ourselves which would likely mean Dillon with his youth and limited experience. I like Phillips a lot, but making him first team first choice is a risk which they'd better get right.
If Pope goes to Burnley he'll be understudying one of the best keepers in Britain. He'll learn a lot. He's 21, keepers usually 'mature' in their late 20s. Pope could well be England's keeper in 10/12 years time. £850,000 to us right now is a LOT of cash and could virtually pay for a large team rebuilding exercise. How much did Powell spend on the team that got us the last promotion ?
Pope is 24 Lincs. But as you allude to, keepers have time on their side. However he'll have gone from regular (albeit only of late) first team football to bench warming.
thanks for the correction .. how time flies .. I agree about the bench warming .. BUT .. it's (nearly all nowadays) about the money. Pope could potentially become a millionaire by doing little else than training hard and taking part in the pre game warm ups. Better surely for a young man on the up than trudging around 3rd strata stadia whilst getting paid a 1/2, 1/3, whatever, than he could be earning as a number 2 number 1 (if you get my drift) at a premier club. We agree that keepers have a long shelf life. In a few years Pope could be at the Clarets or another 'top' club as a wealthy man and as a first team regular.
Hard to disagree with this. For keepers especially, a couple of years benchwarming (& coining it in) still gives you plenty of playing time available in the years to come. And you never know: even Rob Elliot got some game time in eventually...
I'd rather keep him than sell him (for less than say £5m).
But if we have to sell him now, I think £850k seems like a decent price for a keeper who looked like he was going to have rubbish distribution and a tendency to flap and an inability to deal with a low bouncing ball forever.
He sorted nearly all that in the last 12 games and made some great stops as well.
Burnley now have a lot of money, back up first team keeper is a significant position. There may be alternatives out there, but Pope has a lot of years ahead of him and would be the right transfer for him and Burnley. It will only be right for Charlton if the finances are good. A decent negotiator ought to get 850 tweaked up to a million, and there ought to be appearance clauses, avoiding relegation clauses, and sell on clauses. Indeed we may have to give Bury Town some of the fee which should be used as a negotiating angle with Burnley. We then have to look to ourselves which would likely mean Dillon with his youth and limited experience. I like Phillips a lot, but making him first team first choice is a risk which they'd better get right.
If Pope goes to Burnley he'll be understudying one of the best keepers in Britain. He'll learn a lot. He's 21, keepers usually 'mature' in their late 20s. Pope could well be England's keeper in 10/12 years time. £850,000 to us right now is a LOT of cash and could virtually pay for a large team rebuilding exercise. How much did Powell spend on the team that got us the last promotion ?
Pope is 24 Lincs. But as you allude to, keepers have time on their side. However he'll have gone from regular (albeit only of late) first team football to bench warming.
thanks for the correction .. how time flies .. I agree about the bench warming .. BUT .. it's (nearly all nowadays) about the money. Pope could potentially become a millionaire by doing little else than training hard and taking part in the pre game warm ups. Better surely for a young man on the up than trudging around 3rd strata stadia whilst getting paid a 1/2, 1/3, whatever, than he could be earning as a number 2 number 1 (if you get my drift) at a premier club. We agree that keepers have a long shelf life. In a few years Pope could be at the Clarets or another 'top' club as a wealthy man and as a first team regular.
Didn't realise he was that age myself until I read it the other day. Keepers like Stuart Taylor and Steve Harper made careers out of being happy not to play. Really wouldn't blame Pope for moving on and playing 2nd fiddle at his age.
It makes me laugh when, for example, Hamer, who could have got a gig as number one elsewhere, chooses to go to Leicester without a cats hope in hell of becoming number 1, ends up being Number 3 and going out on loan to get first team football.
The deal, if true, would be part and parcel of where we are today.
It would be a sale for the profit & loss account nothing more nothing less. It will do little for the operational budget as he will be on less money than Henderson and probably Dmitrovic.
In terms of immediate impact he would be replaceable. Dmitrovic and Phillips (if he has regained full fitness) have the potential to step up with Mitrov and Beeney also in the pipeline. With other needs likely to be more pressing for Mr. Slade I doubt, unless an exceptional opportunity presents itself, he will seek an external replacement in the short term.
The pricing indicated for a young Tier 2, Tier 3 goalkeeper, where you are still largely paying for potential, is in the right ball park but how much of it is guaranteed and up front?
As far as his ability/ potential is concerned I am happy to accept the judgement of the professionals at the lower league clubs York and Bury where he excelled and Mr Dyche.
He did appear overawed by his first team experience with us two seasons ago. Last season I would have defied any keeper to keep their sanity with the Russian Roulette selection at Centre Back in front of them. It was no accident he showed great promise once the Fanni - Texeira partnership settled in.
Much of the comment on here is reminiscent of Elliotts' departure to Newcastle. After a couple of quiet years he took the opportunity to excel this season before his cruel injury yet Hamer who initially showed up well at Leicester appears, in the short term at least, to have crashed and burned first with Leicester and then Bristol City.
On such a basis, no matter how Pope may develop, getting money in the bank is probably no bad thing
If Pope does go I will be disappointed not to see his continued development but I wish him well. The young man clearly has talent and as a relative youngster (as a goalkeeper) he still has time to develop his game.
The fact that players we actually like and are a valuable asset leaving should be no surprise to anyone, hopefully we can offload the mistakes that this stupid regime bought as well.
Well Naby Sarr looks like a loan deal, so it seems not.
Thing is this lot need to learn from Polish Pete etc, if we think they are poor other teams will not want to waste the money on them we have, so get rid rather than loan.
"Get rid" meaning pay up their contracts. Better to loan, get some money in and perhaps they come back improved.
I meant get rid as in accept a fee, there is no point holding out for what we (over)paid for them, we just loan them out (probably without a loan fee) until their contract expires. If we get back a third of what we paid now, that is better than being forced to sell off yet another player that has actually done well for us.
Selling crap for what you can get for it should be taken as read. Unfortunately, other teams are going to want our gold, not our turds, no matter how much we polish them.
Somebody idiot always has a turd fetish.
Some idiot always doesn't know how to write 'Some idiot'.
The money, whatever it is, will simply mitigate against losses. I fear that even if we achieve big money for Lookman and others it will be set against losses, and in terms of a rebuild we are looking at the Roger Johnson calibre of player, and probably on a free or a very low cost.
Prefer he stayed but don't blame him for going or the club for selling him either tbh. IF (BIG IF) it is around £850k then that's a decent price. Plus the ownership can point to the success of their plans for us getting to witness the future Premiership stars.
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Mind you at 69 it's not surprising he takes a short term view.
I think had Nick come into the club on loan like Thuram for example during that period I don't think he would have been given anywhere near the support he was given by many supporters.
Seemed to have a decent end of season during last 12 games but I don't see anything to get over excited about if he does leave.
He does seem like a decent lad and I wish him nothing but success. If it's 850k and it allows us to improve elsewhere then I'm personally happy with that.
Or do a Ben Hamer and sit on the bench in the Champion's League. Ben Hamer. A Champion's League player. Let that settle in.
Pope was improving but some of the slaughtering he took on here made it seem if we were offered a packet of crisps as a transfer offer in the summer then we would be better off.
Young keeper that made mistakes but got better and better the more game time he had, now theres a surprise.
If he is off for that much then good business all round, except for Pope.
£850,000 to us right now is a LOT of cash and could virtually pay for a large team rebuilding exercise. How much did Powell spend on the team that got us the last promotion ?
But if we have to sell him now, I think £850k seems like a decent price for a keeper who looked like he was going to have rubbish distribution and a tendency to flap and an inability to deal with a low bouncing ball forever.
He sorted nearly all that in the last 12 games and made some great stops as well.
It makes me laugh when, for example, Hamer, who could have got a gig as number one elsewhere, chooses to go to Leicester without a cats hope in hell of becoming number 1, ends up being Number 3 and going out on loan to get first team football.
Money certainly dictates.
This is going to be a pretty gutting couple of months.
Assuming Role won't be stumping up the cash this would make good sense.
It would be a sale for the profit & loss account nothing more nothing less. It will do little for the operational budget as he will be on less money than Henderson and probably Dmitrovic.
In terms of immediate impact he would be replaceable. Dmitrovic and Phillips (if he has regained full fitness) have the potential to step up with Mitrov and Beeney also in the pipeline. With other needs likely to be more pressing for Mr. Slade I doubt, unless an exceptional opportunity presents itself, he will seek an external replacement in the short term.
The pricing indicated for a young Tier 2, Tier 3 goalkeeper, where you are still largely paying for potential, is in the right ball park but how much of it is guaranteed and up front?
As far as his ability/ potential is concerned I am happy to accept the judgement of the professionals at the lower league clubs York and Bury where he excelled and Mr Dyche.
He did appear overawed by his first team experience with us two seasons ago. Last season I would have defied any keeper to keep their sanity with the Russian Roulette selection at Centre Back in front of them. It was no accident he showed great promise once the Fanni - Texeira partnership settled in.
Much of the comment on here is reminiscent of Elliotts' departure to Newcastle. After a couple of quiet years he took the opportunity to excel this season before his cruel injury yet Hamer who initially showed up well at Leicester appears, in the short term at least, to have crashed and burned first with Leicester and then Bristol City.
On such a basis, no matter how Pope may develop, getting money in the bank is probably no bad thing
If Pope does go I will be disappointed not to see his continued development but I wish him well. The young man clearly has talent and as a relative youngster (as a goalkeeper) he still has time to develop his game.
Plus the ownership can point to the success of their plans for us getting to witness the future Premiership stars.
Randolph - second choice at West Ham
Hamer - 3rd choice at Leicester
There's a pattern of our former keepers going to higher clubs and not playing