Would love to know how far the Lookman deal got i.e.
- Did we even accept an offer - Did Lookman himself turn round and say no thanks?
I think the last one is important and should be leaked if so, all we ever hear about is when Players accept transfers and we think every single one of them is a mercenary yet at the same time there will be those like Louis Thompson who want to stay at their club yet fans are never aware of those scenarios
As Ade is out of the country, it may never have got to no. 2. We would have had our valuation of the player, and if the bids didn't meet that valuation, (or any escape clause in his contract) then there was no reason for him to be involved.
Unless the bidding club(s) contacted him directly, or through his agent. But this has a name. It's known as "tapping up", and you can get in trouble for that...
Saying that, Ade seems to be appreciative of where he is, and the chance the club have given him, so probably would like to continue his learning at The Valley.
I honestly think Lookman will not be with us come midnight tonight and if you think he will then you obviously haven't been paying attention to whats been happening at our shambles of a football club the last 2 years.
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Oh just cos he hasn't left this time round makes everything okay does it? Behave . People on here never fail to amuse me. One signing when we was looking at potentially 2/3 is made up for the fact we kept hold of one of our better players? No .
But you specifically said that anyone who thinks Lookman will still be here haven't been paying any attention in the past 2 years.
So now you look stupid and yet again instead of holding your hands up and saying I got it wrong you lash out. So put your dummy back in your mouth, your toys back in your pram and behave yourself
It is a very bleak time to be a Charlton fan and the only real glimmer of joy I get at the moment is watching Lookman doing magical things out there on the pitch, so when palarse want to rob me of my joy I just cringe. So I am delighted that we have kept our starlet and hope he will continue to develop as our little Messi.
this should be posted on the wall of the dressing room & showed tp all the development squad on a daily basis.
be careful for whar you wish for
The sad thing is I reckon the modern 18-20 year old footballer would be quite happy to do what Poyet did if the rumours around his salary increase are true.
I think pretty much everyone would snap your hand off at a massive wage increase (anywhere between 3 and 10 times what you were on, or whatever, for essentially the same job), no matter what age. Footballers have a finite career so in a sense I don't blame him, but another year with us and he'd have developed into a far better footballer with I would guess more potential earning power.
True, and if memory serves correctly (and it doesn't always) Poyet was a 'boardroom' Gold/Sullivan signing for WHU rather than a managerial one which, just like the very similar signing of Ravel Morrison for WHU foisted upon Allardyce, was always likely to end in tears. I think (again not 100% certain) that Gus Poyet advised his son to stay the extra year but at that age it seems impossible to get them to look at their best long-term interests. If his own father couldn't do it.................!!!!
The dismay that is projected that someone could actually refuse to accept the money offered by such a "massive" club is palpable.
But, hey, if you're the biggest club in the known universe, I suppose you're allowed a certain feeling of self entitlement...
I think its very disappointing, I agree that us smaller "feeder clubs" have a duty to accept any offer, however moderate, and should not stiffle the progress of such massive clubs as Sheff Weds.
this should be posted on the wall of the dressing room & showed tp all the development squad on a daily basis.
be careful for whar you wish for
The sad thing is I reckon the modern 18-20 year old footballer would be quite happy to do what Poyet did if the rumours around his salary increase are true.
I think pretty much everyone would snap your hand off at a massive wage increase (anywhere between 3 and 10 times what you were on, or whatever, for essentially the same job), no matter what age. Footballers have a finite career so in a sense I don't blame him, but another year with us and he'd have developed into a far better footballer with I would guess more potential earning power.
True, and if memory serves correctly (and it doesn't always) Poyet was a 'boardroom' Gold/Sullivan signing for WHU rather than a managerial one which, just like the very similar signing of Ravel Morrison for WHU foisted upon Allardyce, was always likely to end in tears. I think (again not 100% certain) that Gus Poyet advised his son to stay the extra year but at that age it seems impossible to get them to look at their best long-term interests. If his own father couldn't do it.................!!!!
Available on a free, lot of baggage but undoubted talent. Worth a go on a short term contract?
Would love to know how far the Lookman deal got i.e.
- Did we even accept an offer - Did Lookman himself turn round and say no thanks?
I think the last one is important and should be leaked if so, all we ever hear about is when Players accept transfers and we think every single one of them is a mercenary yet at the same time there will be those like Louis Thompson who want to stay at their club yet fans are never aware of those scenarios
Admire your faith in people, but an 18 year old simple does not say "no thanks" to an extra 0 on the end of his salary and a two division jump.
Lookman bid accepted but it was too late in the day.
Hmmm not sure about this.
Palace could be saying this to unsettle Lookman before Jan window. 'We made an offer but your clubs messing about has cost you a move to the Premier League'
I think people on here rate Lookman a lot higher than the rest of the footballing world. He would need to be banging them in on a regular basis in league 1 to get really noticed.
Would love to know how far the Lookman deal got i.e.
- Did we even accept an offer - Did Lookman himself turn round and say no thanks?
I think the last one is important and should be leaked if so, all we ever hear about is when Players accept transfers and we think every single one of them is a mercenary yet at the same time there will be those like Louis Thompson who want to stay at their club yet fans are never aware of those scenarios
Admire your faith in people, but an 18 year old simple does not say "no thanks" to an extra 0 on the end of his salary and a two division jump.
What about Jack Butland when he turned down Chelsea a few years ago?
I think people on here rate Lookman a lot higher than the rest of the footballing world. He would need to be banging them in on a regular basis in league 1 to get really noticed.
His regular inclusion in the England youth squads where pretty much every other player is at a premier league club is surely enough to get him noticed.
Our league position by January may very well decide the fate of Fox, Lookman, BFG and Tex. if we are not challenging for automatic promotion I fear they will all be sold.
Haven't had time to read through all the overnight posts, so forgive me if someone else has suggested this. I can't help thinking that the Lookman being sold rumours yesterday, were a smokescreen designed to make us grateful that he wasn't sold and to soften the blow that only one player was signed yesterday, when Russell had said he hoped for a couple.
I imagine it's a case of "if you don't want to be here, I don't want you here either" as far as Slade's concerned.
That's the only slightly logical thing that comes to mind as to why he wouldn't want Tex involved. Now the window has closed, a few things might change.
I think people on here rate Lookman a lot higher than the rest of the footballing world. He would need to be banging them in on a regular basis in league 1 to get really noticed.
Rubbish. All the big clubs in England have watched him a lot over the past year. I think that he will be gone in January. If Slade gives him a chance In the first team on a regular basis he will score a number of goals but also make a few. I think his transfer value will go up to 10M. I have seen a lot of Lookman coming through the U18s and U21s and he is the real deal. It is just a matter of time when a big Club buys him and I don't mean Palace.
Would love to know how far the Lookman deal got i.e.
- Did we even accept an offer - Did Lookman himself turn round and say no thanks?
I think the last one is important and should be leaked if so, all we ever hear about is when Players accept transfers and we think every single one of them is a mercenary yet at the same time there will be those like Louis Thompson who want to stay at their club yet fans are never aware of those scenarios
Admire your faith in people, but an 18 year old simple does not say "no thanks" to an extra 0 on the end of his salary and a two division jump.
What about Jack Butland when he turned down Chelsea a few years ago?
Keepers are a bit different though I think. If you're a kid going to a big team as a keeper...you pretty much know that you're not going to be playing.
Outfield players will know their chances will be limited but the their competition will be more likely to be injured. There will also be more positions available to an outfield player.
I would agree that IF there was an accepted offer there - it would be extremely unlikely that AL would turn it down.
Would love to know how far the Lookman deal got i.e.
- Did we even accept an offer - Did Lookman himself turn round and say no thanks?
I think the last one is important and should be leaked if so, all we ever hear about is when Players accept transfers and we think every single one of them is a mercenary yet at the same time there will be those like Louis Thompson who want to stay at their club yet fans are never aware of those scenarios
Admire your faith in people, but an 18 year old simple does not say "no thanks" to an extra 0 on the end of his salary and a two division jump.
What about Jack Butland when he turned down Chelsea a few years ago?
Different circumstances with Butland already had a career established and a decent amount of 0's to his name.
I'm certain that the inability of the club to offload Texeira and Ba had major implications in not getting the additional central midfielder and winger that Slade wanted.
It's pretty obvious that Slade was expecting more incoming than the slightly odd signing of Ulvestad who although undoubtedly talented has no real track record to indicate how effective he might be and that in the position that we all including Slade know is going to be critical to success or failure this season.
We had rumours and comments that the club were prepared to spend good money and pay good wages now. The lack of two more signings do not indicate evidence of that and a desire for promotion to me.
The squad does look to be competative at this level and with the unexpected addition of Texeira and hopefully with Diarra and Kashi to come back for the run in I don't see any reason why the playoffs should not be achieved.
It will depend as much on Slades tactical ability as anything else. I must admit I'm as concerned about that aspect as much as anything else.
One glaringly obvious observation is the ludicrous planning that has given arise to the situation of having six centre backs on the books. A financial luxury that a league one club cannot afford. Johnson will not get near the first team again and quite honestly we might as well pay the disruptive waste of space off. I still don't think that Texeira will feature and will be slipped out the back door as soon as we can do it. What a waste.
So pleased that Lookman has remained a Charlton player. Will be very pleasing to watch a future premiership star for a few months longer.
Here goes: Tammy Abraham - Bristol City, Nathan Ake - Bournemouth, Bekanty Victorien Angban - Granada, Christian Atsu - Newcastle, Baba Rahman - Schalke, Lewis Baker - Vitesse Arnhem, Patrick Bamford - Burnley, Nathan Baxter - Metropolitan Police (until January), Mitchell Beeney - Crawley (until January), Jamal Blackman - Wycombe (until January), Jeremie Boga - Granada, Isaiah Brown - Rotherham, Andreas Christensen - Borussia Monchengladbach, Jake Clarke-Salter - Bristol Rovers, Charlie Colkett - Bristol Rovers, Dion Conroy - Aldershot (until January), Juan Cuadrado - Juventus (three-year loan), Cristian Cuevas - Sint-Truidense, Alex Davey - Crawley (until January), Matej Delac - Royal Excel Mouscron, Islam Feruz - Royal Excel Mouscron, Michael Hector - Eintracht Frankfurt, Jordan Houghton - Doncaster (until January), Tomas Kalas - Fulham, Kenedy - Watford, Alex Kiwomya - Crewe (until January), Matt Miazga - Vitesse Arnhem, Charly Musonda - Real Betis, Nathan - Vitesse Arnhem, Kenneth Omeruo - Alanyaspor, Kasey Palmer - Huddersfield, Danilo Pantic - Excelsior, Mario Pasalic - AC Milan, Lucas Piazon - Fulham (until January), Loic Remy - Crystal Palace, Jhoao Rodriguez - Independiente Sante Fe, Bertrand Traore - Ajax, Wallace - Gremio.
Chelsea have 38 players out on loan at the moment. A number which shows the farcical nature of modern football.
It also makes you wonder why we've never had any from Chelsea in recent years! Was Carlton Cole the last one?
** Edit, there is one Chelsea player Cristian Cuevas at Sint-Truidense!
And yet the EFL think the answer to England's problems is to allow U23 teams into the checkatrade trophy.
The real answer is to limit the number of U23 players each club can possess to say 25 (like their first team squads). That way the very cream would still end up there but they would not be able to simply hoover up the rest.
Finally they should introduce a wage cap for under U23's so as to remove the huge risk we have probably just seen with Diego Poyet that a young players drive/ambition and determination is reduced by the fact that at 19 they have signed a contract that will most likely see them financially stable for life. Further, allow payments above the cap for appearance fees in the first team, so meaning a player has a real choice to make of staying at a lower placed club for first team footy and a higher salary or going to a top club for top class facilities.
I'd take Poyet back in a heartbeat. Should be able to run a game in this league. Was poor last season but can't forget how good he was first time round.
No way!
Wouldn't sign a contract with us, thought the grass was greener elsewhere, left us and we got peanuts for him!
Came back last year and was shite, why on earth would we want him or need him?
Yeah I mean why would want to sign on a free our 13/14 championship player of the year winner in his first debut season at the age of 19??
No denying he was a great player in that season, but he should have stayed with us and learnt his trade.
Instead of that he went for the bright lights of West Ham faded into mediocrity, got loaned out several times and in the end couldn't even get in MK Dons first team!
He came to us last year was awful and was basically another total waste of money as he didn't play in the end.
So now you want him back, even on a free, once again to waste more of our wage budget!
Rather have Crofts all day long!
What is it with CL and wanting ex players back all the time?
Just a side note for anyone still confused, the English premiership ceased to exist a few years ago. Unless you are all referring to the one in Scotland, then as you were.
Other than early sold on the cheap departures I am happy with this window and the business we have done it. We always want more, but I would rather have Lookman than sold him and got a winger in on loan. I know nothing about our Norwegian new boy but Slade seems to have done ok so far with his buys, also Diarra and maybe even Kashi will be back soon to supplement the midfield.
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Am I the only one who finds this amusing?
The dismay that is projected that someone could actually refuse to accept the money offered by such a "massive" club is palpable.
But, hey, if you're the biggest club in the known universe, I suppose you're allowed a certain feeling of self entitlement...
I think (again not 100% certain) that Gus Poyet advised his son to stay the extra year but at that age it seems impossible to get them to look at their best long-term interests. If his own father couldn't do it.................!!!!
Palace could be saying this to unsettle Lookman before Jan window. 'We made an offer but your clubs messing about has cost you a move to the Premier League'
That's the only slightly logical thing that comes to mind as to why he wouldn't want Tex involved. Now the window has closed, a few things might change.
I have seen a lot of Lookman coming through the U18s and U21s and he is the real deal. It is just a matter of time when a big Club buys him and I don't mean Palace.
Outfield players will know their chances will be limited but the their competition will be more likely to be injured. There will also be more positions available to an outfield player.
I would agree that IF there was an accepted offer there - it would be extremely unlikely that AL would turn it down.
Maybe the feeling is mutual and Tex does not want to be here either.
It's pretty obvious that Slade was expecting more incoming than the slightly odd signing of Ulvestad who although undoubtedly talented has no real track record to indicate how effective he might be and that in the position that we all including Slade know is going to be critical to success or failure this season.
We had rumours and comments that the club were prepared to spend good money and pay good wages now. The lack of two more signings do not indicate evidence of that and a desire for promotion to me.
The squad does look to be competative at this level and with the unexpected addition of Texeira and hopefully with Diarra and Kashi to come back for the run in I don't see any reason why the playoffs should not be achieved.
It will depend as much on Slades tactical ability as anything else. I must admit I'm as concerned about that aspect as much as anything else.
One glaringly obvious observation is the ludicrous planning that has given arise to the situation of having six centre backs on the books. A financial luxury that a league one club cannot afford. Johnson will not get near the first team again and quite honestly we might as well pay the disruptive waste of space off. I still don't think that Texeira will feature and will be slipped out the back door as soon as we can do it. What a waste.
So pleased that Lookman has remained a Charlton player. Will be very pleasing to watch a future premiership star for a few months longer.
The real answer is to limit the number of U23 players each club can possess to say 25 (like their first team squads). That way the very cream would still end up there but they would not be able to simply hoover up the rest.
Finally they should introduce a wage cap for under U23's so as to remove the huge risk we have probably just seen with Diego Poyet that a young players drive/ambition and determination is reduced by the fact that at 19 they have signed a contract that will most likely see them financially stable for life. Further, allow payments above the cap for appearance fees in the first team, so meaning a player has a real choice to make of staying at a lower placed club for first team footy and a higher salary or going to a top club for top class facilities.
Instead of that he went for the bright lights of West Ham faded into mediocrity, got loaned out several times and in the end couldn't even get in MK Dons first team!
He came to us last year was awful and was basically another total waste of money as he didn't play in the end.
So now you want him back, even on a free, once again to waste more of our wage budget!
Rather have Crofts all day long!
What is it with CL and wanting ex players back all the time?