Just as I thought the world was a shite place....... The boss has just phoned- we are rescuing another 100 ex commercial hens on 17th December. Every cloud etc...
Just as I thought the world was a shite place....... The boss has just phoned- we are rescuing another 100 ex commercial hens on 17th December. Every cloud etc...
Hens that have been in TV ads? I bet they're all stuck up...
CARD protests are clearly organised by an intelligent group of supporters who invariably choose the most effective, sensible and effective ways to protest.
I believe that the decision to "support the team, oppose the regime" was an inspired way to keep the support united. Ticket sales alone will never be enough to keep a 1st division team afloat which make this workable.
The problem is, that boycotting could make the match day experience so un enjoyable, that some fans leave forever and the team don't reach the performance level required to get promoted.
There's some serious anti protest nonsense on the Charlton Athletic (my only desire) Facebook group. Really agressive (and inarticulate) vitriol.
I suspect I've joined the wrong group. I posted this. Applies to antis here too.
Whether you protest or not, remember CARD believe they are acting in the best interests of the club. They act within the law. They don't make anybody protest who doesn't want to. They only exist because fans donate their hard earned wages to the cause. If no-one supports them, then the protests will die of natural causes.
Bear in mind that the only club to get rid of Duchatelet actually came close to using violence. CARD will never do so. Many of those involved in CARD are those who fought the good fight to get the club back to The Valley.
I know many protestors and many non-protestors. They all want the same things for the club. The only difference is how you go about achieving them.
But don't let's become divided, or the club will die. It just won't be fun any more. The crowds will dwindle until the club become unsustainable.
Is this group private and if not do you have a link? Thanks.
I think the danger is that these sort of protests are a bit old hat now and won't get the media coverage of some previous protests because of that. I also think the regime are pretty immune to it now and prepared to let it happen because they know it will be over in a few minutes and then normal service will be resumed. Protests like those in Belgium are going to hit home harder because it will impact on Roland directly and he doesn't like that. If we are going to protest at The Valley a new strategy is needed. Don't ask me what but I'm sure that CARD will be on the case on our behalf. We need to find other ways to embarrass them. The Companies House stunt for example. I looked around today during the Roland Out chants and although a lot were not singing along a great many were clapping along and so the support for getting Roland Out is definitely there.
It was also noticeable that the protest only held the game up by 2 and a half minutes. Come half time there was only 4 minutes added time, we've had that before in non-protest games and the game didn't really finish any later than we usually do (we always seem to be one of the last games to finish each week).
This alone suggests the impact of interrupting games is weakening and that the greater impact seems to be had in Belgium.
I think the danger is that these sort of protests are a bit old hat now and won't get the media coverage of some previous protests because of that. I also think the regime are pretty immune to it now and prepared to let it happen because they know it will be over in a few minutes and then normal service will be resumed. Protests like those in Belgium are going to hit home harder because it will impact on Roland directly and he doesn't like that. If we are going to protest at The Valley a new strategy is needed. Don't ask me what but I'm sure that CARD will be on the case on our behalf. We need to find other ways to embarrass them. The Companies House stunt for example. I looked around today during the Roland Out chants and although a lot were not singing along a great many were clapping along and so the support for getting Roland Out is definitely there.
It was also noticeable that the protest only held the game up by 2 and a half minutes. Come half time there was only 4 minutes added time, we've had that before in non-protest games and the game didn't really finish any later than we usually do (we always seem to be one of the last games to finish each week).
This alone suggests the impact of interrupting games is weakening and that the greater impact seems to be had in Belgium.
Careful there, someone could construe that as a Target20K member sanctioning CARD activities in Belgium..
I joined the Facebook group some time ago and resigned long before the protests even started as it was dominated by inarticulate individuals who couldn't string a sentence together without the persistent use of expletives, mostly aimed at the team and individual players, and a total lack of intelligent threads.
Their general pro-Roland stance does surprise me unless they are all influenced by their Facebook guru Sue Parkes.
I think the danger is that these sort of protests are a bit old hat now and won't get the media coverage of some previous protests because of that. I also think the regime are pretty immune to it now and prepared to let it happen because they know it will be over in a few minutes and then normal service will be resumed. Protests like those in Belgium are going to hit home harder because it will impact on Roland directly and he doesn't like that. If we are going to protest at The Valley a new strategy is needed. Don't ask me what but I'm sure that CARD will be on the case on our behalf. We need to find other ways to embarrass them. The Companies House stunt for example. I looked around today during the Roland Out chants and although a lot were not singing along a great many were clapping along and so the support for getting Roland Out is definitely there.
It was also noticeable that the protest only held the game up by 2 and a half minutes. Come half time there was only 4 minutes added time, we've had that before in non-protest games and the game didn't really finish any later than we usually do (we always seem to be one of the last games to finish each week).
This alone suggests the impact of interrupting games is weakening and that the greater impact seems to be had in Belgium.
Careful there, someone could construe that as a Target20K member sanctioning CARD activities in Belgium..
I think the danger is that these sort of protests are a bit old hat now and won't get the media coverage of some previous protests because of that. I also think the regime are pretty immune to it now and prepared to let it happen because they know it will be over in a few minutes and then normal service will be resumed. Protests like those in Belgium are going to hit home harder because it will impact on Roland directly and he doesn't like that. If we are going to protest at The Valley a new strategy is needed. Don't ask me what but I'm sure that CARD will be on the case on our behalf. We need to find other ways to embarrass them. The Companies House stunt for example. I looked around today during the Roland Out chants and although a lot were not singing along a great many were clapping along and so the support for getting Roland Out is definitely there.
It was also noticeable that the protest only held the game up by 2 and a half minutes. Come half time there was only 4 minutes added time, we've had that before in non-protest games and the game didn't really finish any later than we usually do (we always seem to be one of the last games to finish each week).
This alone suggests the impact of interrupting games is weakening and that the greater impact seems to be had in Belgium.
Careful there, someone could construe that as a Target20K member sanctioning CARD activities in Belgium..
He's history, they've already turfed someone out for not toeing the party line!
I think the danger is that these sort of protests are a bit old hat now and won't get the media coverage of some previous protests because of that. I also think the regime are pretty immune to it now and prepared to let it happen because they know it will be over in a few minutes and then normal service will be resumed. Protests like those in Belgium are going to hit home harder because it will impact on Roland directly and he doesn't like that. If we are going to protest at The Valley a new strategy is needed. Don't ask me what but I'm sure that CARD will be on the case on our behalf. We need to find other ways to embarrass them. The Companies House stunt for example. I looked around today during the Roland Out chants and although a lot were not singing along a great many were clapping along and so the support for getting Roland Out is definitely there.
It was also noticeable that the protest only held the game up by 2 and a half minutes. Come half time there was only 4 minutes added time, we've had that before in non-protest games and the game didn't really finish any later than we usually do (we always seem to be one of the last games to finish each week).
This alone suggests the impact of interrupting games is weakening and that the greater impact seems to be had in Belgium.
I think that was more to do with the quantities and size of stuff thrown than anything else, to be honest. The taxis were a bit small to reach the pitch and always likely to be kept as souvenirs while there was a much smaller number of footballs available to be given out than, for example, pigs.
That said I don't disagree that the usefulness of that kind of protest reduces over time. But it's completely wrong, IMO, to think that just protesting in Belgium is the way forward or will keep the story in the media.
The more nuisance caused to Duchatelet the better, but we are never going to be able to demonstrate numbers (thousands) effectively there and I doubt if the Belgian police would allow it even if we could.
The protest did the job. The delay was 3 minutes and it served notice to Fat Robbo that he needs to understand what's going on here. If like Brussell, he comes in with a King Canute type attitude, he will also struggle. So no lectures please saying "The protests have to stop", before finding out the facts.
If I was him, I'd contact the proper fan groups, not the hand-picked ones, and set up a few meetings, find out for myself, with none of the Vichy Charlton regime in attendance. If the current situation exists, he hasn't got a price.
I think the danger is that these sort of protests are a bit old hat now and won't get the media coverage of some previous protests because of that. I also think the regime are pretty immune to it now and prepared to let it happen because they know it will be over in a few minutes and then normal service will be resumed. Protests like those in Belgium are going to hit home harder because it will impact on Roland directly and he doesn't like that. If we are going to protest at The Valley a new strategy is needed. Don't ask me what but I'm sure that CARD will be on the case on our behalf. We need to find other ways to embarrass them. The Companies House stunt for example. I looked around today during the Roland Out chants and although a lot were not singing along a great many were clapping along and so the support for getting Roland Out is definitely there.
It was also noticeable that the protest only held the game up by 2 and a half minutes. Come half time there was only 4 minutes added time, we've had that before in non-protest games and the game didn't really finish any later than we usually do (we always seem to be one of the last games to finish each week).
This alone suggests the impact of interrupting games is weakening and that the greater impact seems to be had in Belgium.
I think that was more to do with the quantities and size of stuff thrown than anything else, to be honest. The taxis were a bit small to reach the pitch and always likely to be kept as souvenirs while there was a much smaller number of footballs available to be given out than, for example, pigs.
That said I don't disagree that the usefulness of that kind of protest reduces over time. But it's completely wrong, IMO, to think that just protesting in Belgium is the way forward or will keep the story in the media.
The more nuisance caused to Duchatelet the better, but we are never going to be able to demonstrate numbers (thousands) effectively there and I doubt if the Belgian police would allow it even if we could.
Also the club were prepared with a squad ready to come on and clear up.
The protest did the job. The delay was 3 minutes and it served notice to Fat Robbo that he needs to understand what's going on here. If like Brussell, he comes in with a King Canute type attitude, he will also struggle. So no lectures please saying "The protests have to stop", before finding out the facts.
If I was him, I'd contact the proper fan groups, not the hand-picked ones, and set up a few meetings, find out for myself, with none of the Vichy Charlton regime in attendance. If the current situation exists, he hasn't got a price.
If he really doesn't know already what's going on he's got to be bloody thick.
The protest did the job. The delay was 3 minutes and it served notice to Fat Robbo that he needs to understand what's going on here. If like Brussell, he comes in with a King Canute type attitude, he will also struggle. So no lectures please saying "The protests have to stop", before finding out the facts.
If I was him, I'd contact the proper fan groups, not the hand-picked ones, and set up a few meetings, find out for myself, with none of the Vichy Charlton regime in attendance. If the current situation exists, he hasn't got a price.
If he really doesn't know already what's going on he's got to be bloody thick.
Yes and a Micky as well. But he is being fed the Vichy viewpoint, as was Brussell, who seemed visibly shocked when the piggies came flying past his head at the first proper protest. He clearly didn't understand the depth of the problem and thought it was due to results. The point is, if Robbo engages with the majority groups, not the minority groups propping up this beleaguered Vichy regime, he could Create a better atmosphere which would benefit the football side of the club. As we know, the pro-Vichy groups are as clueless as Dopey Roly and Pinocchio. The schism thread is bang on and it's growing.
No. It took people by surprise, I didn't think there would be another throwing protest so soon after the pigs but it worked.
Of course it did
Why do you think it didn't?
Morning mr bonce I think part of the problem is and I can see why it happening is, CARD,fans are protesting but don't really want to upset thier fellow fans inside the ground. The club had the pitch cleared in a coupleof minutes yesterday so not much harm done , I said to a mate in the pub after the game why throw everything on the pitch at once stagger the throwing and delay the game by 15 -20 minutes. I don't think we need to be going to belgium all the time, how about a protest in the week when people can go after work as the club's closing up resident s start ringing the police,club about the noise chanting might sound a silly idea I think it's just to easy for the club at the moment.
No. It took people by surprise, I didn't think there would be another throwing protest so soon after the pigs but it worked.
Of course it did
Why do you think it didn't?
Morning mr bonce I think part of the problem is and I can see why it happening is, CARD,fans are protesting but don't really want to upset thier fellow fans inside the ground. The club had the pitch cleared in a coupleof minutes yesterday so not much harm done , I said to a mate in the pub after the game why throw everything on the pitch at once stagger the throwing and delay the game by 15 -20 minutes. I don't think we need to be going to belgium all the time, how about a protest in the week when people can go after work as the club's closing up resident s start ringing the police,club about the noise chanting might sound a silly idea I think it's just to easy for the club at the moment.
Morning. As I'm sitting on a bus busting for a slash and on my phone, I'll just say for now i think we agree on most things but i think considering the dire atmosphere yesterday the protest worked.
The protest did the job. The delay was 3 minutes and it served notice to Fat Robbo that he needs to understand what's going on here. If like Brussell, he comes in with a King Canute type attitude, he will also struggle. So no lectures please saying "The protests have to stop", before finding out the facts.
If I was him, I'd contact the proper fan groups, not the hand-picked ones, and set up a few meetings, find out for myself, with none of the Vichy Charlton regime in attendance. If the current situation exists, he hasn't got a price.
To be fair, he hardly gave us a lecture, just an alleged casual comment on Twitter. indeed he's said virtually nothing since he was appointed, we've had no press conference yet
As one of the cab drivers on protest y'day want to say well done nicely organised . As for the Charlton fan at top of Charlton church lane baseball cap and beard calling us all wankers bravo . If you're happy way our club being run then there's only one wanker in all of this and it wasn't me or fellow cabbies.
As one of the cab drivers on protest y'day want to say well done nicely organised . As for the Charlton fan at top of Charlton church lane baseball cap and beard calling us all wankers bravo . If you're happy way our club being run then there's only one wanker in all of this and it wasn't me or fellow cabbies.
As one of the cab drivers on protest y'day want to say well done nicely organised . As for the Charlton fan at top of Charlton church lane baseball cap and beard calling us all wankers bravo . If you're happy way our club being run then there's only one wanker in all of this and it wasn't me or fellow cabbies.
Should you have the missfortune to pick him up as a fare, give him the old ' Traffic's murder this way guv gonna have to take a little detour' (about 10 miles). And when he gives you a score for the journey, the 'Well I'm blowed, I'm right out of change' routine
In all seriousness, thanks for making the effort and well done yesterday.
I've been handing stuff for the protests out since the first Black and White protests with the leaflets and have continued to do so for all subsequent protests.
Yesterday was the first time that I recieved any level of abuse from people, being called a c***, and that I'm 'f***ing killing the club'. Also saw several of the stress balls getting thrown over roofs on Floyd Road and even a taxi getting at myself and several others who were handing out the stress balls/taxis.
This forum has always been the place with the most solid and high level of support for both CARD and the protests. But outside of here, particularly on the facebook group and other forums, there is a rising anti-CARD, anti-protest sentiment, and we can't ignore that.
I've been handing stuff for the protests out since the first Black and White protests with the leaflets and have continued to do so for all subsequent protests.
Yesterday was the first time that I recieved any level of abuse from people, being called a c***, and that I'm 'f***ing killing the club'. Also saw several of the stress balls getting thrown over roofs on Floyd Road and even a taxi getting at myself and several others who were handing out the stress balls/taxis.
This forum has always been the place with the most solid and high level of support for both CARD and the protests. But outside of here, particularly on the facebook group and other forums, there is a rising anti-CARD, anti-protest sentiment, and we can't ignore that.
As one of the cab drivers on protest y'day want to say well done nicely organised . As for the Charlton fan at top of Charlton church lane baseball cap and beard calling us all wankers bravo . If you're happy way our club being run then there's only one wanker in all of this and it wasn't me or fellow cabbies.
I've been handing stuff for the protests out since the first Black and White protests with the leaflets and have continued to do so for all subsequent protests.
Yesterday was the first time that I recieved any level of abuse from people, being called a c***, and that I'm 'f***ing killing the club'. Also saw several of the stress balls getting thrown over roofs on Floyd Road and even a taxi getting at myself and several others who were handing out the stress balls/taxis.
This forum has always been the place with the most solid and high level of support for both CARD and the protests. But outside of here, particularly on the facebook group and the likes of ITTV, there is a rising anti-CARD, anti-protest sentiment, and we can't ignore that.
I didn't get a strong anti-CARD feeling yesterday, but felt a certain amount of apathy/boredom
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I believe that the decision to "support the team, oppose the regime" was an inspired way to keep the support united. Ticket sales alone will never be enough to keep a 1st division team afloat which make this workable.
The problem is, that boycotting could make the match day experience so un enjoyable, that some fans leave forever and the team don't reach the performance level required to get promoted.
How this can be sorted I have no idea.
This alone suggests the impact of interrupting games is weakening and that the greater impact seems to be had in Belgium.
Their general pro-Roland stance does surprise me unless they are all influenced by their Facebook guru Sue Parkes.
That said I don't disagree that the usefulness of that kind of protest reduces over time. But it's completely wrong, IMO, to think that just protesting in Belgium is the way forward or will keep the story in the media.
The more nuisance caused to Duchatelet the better, but we are never going to be able to demonstrate numbers (thousands) effectively there and I doubt if the Belgian police would allow it even if we could.
If I was him, I'd contact the proper fan groups, not the hand-picked ones, and set up a few meetings, find out for myself, with none of the Vichy Charlton regime in attendance. If the current situation exists, he hasn't got a price.
I think part of the problem is and I can see why it happening is,
CARD,fans are protesting but don't really want to upset thier fellow fans inside the ground.
The club had the pitch cleared in a coupleof minutes yesterday so not much harm done , I said to a mate in the pub after the game why throw everything on the pitch at once stagger the throwing and delay the game by 15 -20 minutes.
I don't think we need to be going to belgium all the time, how about a protest in the week when people can go after work as the club's closing up resident s start ringing the police,club about the noise chanting might sound a silly idea I think it's just to easy for the club at the moment.
As I'm sitting on a bus busting for a slash and on my phone, I'll just say for now i think we agree on most things but i think considering the dire atmosphere yesterday the protest worked.
In all seriousness, thanks for making the effort and well done yesterday.
Yesterday was the first time that I recieved any level of abuse from people, being called a c***, and that I'm 'f***ing killing the club'. Also saw several of the stress balls getting thrown over roofs on Floyd Road and even a taxi getting at myself and several others who were handing out the stress balls/taxis.
This forum has always been the place with the most solid and high level of support for both CARD and the protests. But outside of here, particularly on the facebook group and other forums, there is a rising anti-CARD, anti-protest sentiment, and we can't ignore that.
Is it simply because we had a couple of wins and then instantly people started thinking that any kind of protest would ruin the momentum of the team?