CARD: protests will go ahead against Sheffield United (26/11/16) regardless of management situation
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The Belgians might just have got it right, after nearly 3 years. If they'd appointed Nobby, or Congo Chris I don't think anybody would be asking your question.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Please tell me what the protests against the Belgians have to do with our new manager?Essex_Al said:
No mate it's nothing to do with us getting a couple of wins, it's the fact that supporters that do go and support the team are sick and tired of the boring nonsense of throwing stuff on the pitch and delaying games. We also have a new manager in place who seems to be welcomed by the majority, and fans want to give him the best possible support to get us back up into the Championship.cafctom said:Why on earth has the anti-CARD stuff seemingly really stepped up over the past week?
Is it simply because we had a couple of wins and then instantly people started thinking that any kind of protest would ruin the momentum of the team?
All you are doing is splitting the fan base and as already stated on here in another thread things are beginning to turn ugly. My humble advice to CARD is think very carefully about your next move!1 -
Give it another 3 months then!andynelson said:
The Belgians might just have got it right, after nearly 3 years. If they'd appointed Nobby, or Congo Chris I don't think anybody would be asking your question.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Please tell me what the protests against the Belgians have to do with our new manager?Essex_Al said:
No mate it's nothing to do with us getting a couple of wins, it's the fact that supporters that do go and support the team are sick and tired of the boring nonsense of throwing stuff on the pitch and delaying games. We also have a new manager in place who seems to be welcomed by the majority, and fans want to give him the best possible support to get us back up into the Championship.cafctom said:Why on earth has the anti-CARD stuff seemingly really stepped up over the past week?
Is it simply because we had a couple of wins and then instantly people started thinking that any kind of protest would ruin the momentum of the team?
All you are doing is splitting the fan base and as already stated on here in another thread things are beginning to turn ugly. My humble advice to CARD is think very carefully about your next move!0 -
Andy.....I hope you are right but you'll excuse me if I (like many others I suspect) don't share your optimism. Not because of Robinsons abilities but from the shambolic way the club is run.andynelson said:
The Belgians might just have got it right, after nearly 3 years. If they'd appointed Nobby, or Congo Chris I don't think anybody would be asking your question.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Please tell me what the protests against the Belgians have to do with our new manager?Essex_Al said:
No mate it's nothing to do with us getting a couple of wins, it's the fact that supporters that do go and support the team are sick and tired of the boring nonsense of throwing stuff on the pitch and delaying games. We also have a new manager in place who seems to be welcomed by the majority, and fans want to give him the best possible support to get us back up into the Championship.cafctom said:Why on earth has the anti-CARD stuff seemingly really stepped up over the past week?
Is it simply because we had a couple of wins and then instantly people started thinking that any kind of protest would ruin the momentum of the team?
All you are doing is splitting the fan base and as already stated on here in another thread things are beginning to turn ugly. My humble advice to CARD is think very carefully about your next move!1 -
I wish I was optimistic. My point is that Compared to Roland's other appointments Robinson is an improvement. And so at the moment at least it does dampen down the anger, whereas another network appointment would have fuelled that anger.0
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I appreciate where you are coming from Andy but from my personal point of view it's not anger, I'm well past that emotional state. Irreparairble damage has been done and my desire to see the regime (the Douchbag and Nightmeire come as a package) gone, cannot get any stronger and will not lessen irrespective of who the manager is.andynelson said:I wish I was optimistic. My point is that Compared to Roland's other appointments Robinson is an improvement. And so at the moment at least it does dampen down the anger, whereas another network appointment would have fuelled that anger.
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The basis for the protests has not changed since the day they started.
Unlike those vacillating supporters who appear to latch onto every new Head Coach and Manager appointment as a clean slate and the start of a new dawn there are those who look beyond the veneer to realise the underlying infrastructure is incapable of supporting anything beyond a series of stop gap solutions.
For those tired of the protests please recognise there are those who have long tired of the feeble attempts of this regime to run a football club. You will not see them. They have long since walked away. If you think this is in the best interest of the club then it is an opinion with which I will have to differ.
I try not to post too often because I have in reality written most of it all before but I will focus on one aspect. It is not a difficult aspect. It is one most of us face through most of our working lives.
When are people going to recognise it makes little difference as to who you employ if you refuse to empower them to do THEIR JOB without interference from sundry noises off let alone, in our case, the eccentric musings of a remote investor.
The role of a Chief Executive is to provide meaningful support to their management team AT ALL TIMES - NOT CUT AND RUN AT THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY. The role of the CEO is to facilitate the right environment for their management and employees to deliver to their business.
It simply does not happen in SE7. There is no magic trick here. It is about putting the right people in the right place and letting them get on with the job they are being paid to do. Mess with that and your undermine your own management.
It has been a key factor in every Head Coach and Manager being faced with rumours of "losing the dressing room". The quickest way for that to happen is when senior players wait patiently for things to happen to improve the squad or secure additional resources .....and nothing happens. It turns the Manager into a lame duck.
It is why the club structure is fundamentally flawed. Managers are being held accountable without the authority to act. The executive who hold the authority to act refuse to be accountable for anything.
The results speak for themselves.
- Powell was foisted with 6 Liege rejects
- Riga Part 1 was supported with 2 low key emergency loans
- Peeters, who bought into the youth development culture "big time" was forced to play Pope for too long when Henderson was injured and desperately needed a foil to take the weight off Vetokele. Neither was forthcoming. The wheels came off.
- Luzon was then allowed to draft in a few additional resources to close out that season. Yet the next season saw him patiently waiting for 3 new faces at the close of the August transfer window.He was left waiting for the rest of his tenure
- Fraeye, no matter his personal demeanour, professionally was a collective "brainfart"
- Riga Part 2 was given a plethora of aged unfit veterans/ loans who took weeks to get fit
- Slade, who started late, was still trying to build his squad at the close of this seasons' transfer window a mere 12 weeks ago. 12 weeks with a squad bereft of any midfield mobility and he is out of the door
Does anyone really think the above scenarios paint a supportive and constructive environment?
I fully understand running a football club is not easy but if you do not understand the fundamental dynamics of the business you literally have "no business being there"
So at any given point the team may be able to put together a decent run of results but without stability, without a long term sustainable strategy it will only deliver a stop - start dynamic. As structured the whole infrastructure is subject to the vagaries of a squad which is always going to be bereft of the balance and depth required.
There is a crucial difference in allowing a coach to bring in the players he wants to complement the squad he has and being given the power of veto over a succession of players the likes of Driessen choose for his consideration. His ability to deliver to his remit is capped by the ability of the scouting system to provide him with the options he needs.
Do you seriously think if 5000 supporters could recognise the glaring weakness in our midfield a professional of 20yrs standing could not?
People keep harping on about all of these issues being in the past "so move on" but the likes of Driessen are still on the payroll. We know not how many other secret " advisors" are in and around the club.
The club literally hours before appointing a new manager chose in isolation to appoint another coach for some indeterminate purpose. So we now potentially have Robinson, Barker, Nugent, Clark and O'Loughlin all involved with the first team. Does that sound like a coordinated and cohesive coaching plan?
I have no problem with Robinson. I had little problem, Fraeye apart, with most of the above but they simply were not allowed to do the job they were recruited to do.
On what basis do people think Robinson will be treated any differently? It is hope over substance.
The regime is simply not fit for purpose - nothing has changed.70 -
Yes ... and the first press conference will be interesting as he is likely, despite a grinning Daisy sat next to him, to be asked about the protests etc. At best he should maintain a diplomatic neutrality but I wonder if he has the experience to do that as opposed to throwing his lot in with his employers.killerandflash said:To be fair, he hardly gave us a lecture, just an alleged casual comment on Twitter. indeed he's said virtually nothing since he was appointed, we've had no press conference yet
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Some of the vitriol on the other forum is remarkable, especially the violence advocated against the who protest. That said, it should be kept in proportion as it is general the same half dozen individuals, all who seem to have anti-CL, anti-CARD, anti-Rick axes to grind.WattsTheMatter said:I've been handing stuff for the protests out since the first Black and White protests with the leaflets and have continued to do so for all subsequent protests.
Yesterday was the first time that I recieved any level of abuse from people, being called a c***, and that I'm 'f***ing killing the club'. Also saw several of the stress balls getting thrown over roofs on Floyd Road and even a taxi getting at myself and several others who were handing out the stress balls/taxis.
This forum has always been the place with the most solid and high level of support for both CARD and the protests. But outside of here, particularly on the facebook group and the likes of Other forums, there is a rising anti-CARD, anti-protest sentiment, and we can't ignore that.0 -
Exactly how I feel. I've only been going to the protest games, and selected away games. I'm trying to describe the general mood at The Valley.RedChaser said:
I appreciate where you are coming from Andy but from my personal point of view it's not anger, I'm well past that emotional state. Irreparairble damage has been done and my desire to see the regime (the Douchbag and Nightmeire come as a package) gone, cannot get any stronger and will not lessen irrespective of who the manager is.andynelson said:I wish I was optimistic. My point is that Compared to Roland's other appointments Robinson is an improvement. And so at the moment at least it does dampen down the anger, whereas another network appointment would have fuelled that anger.
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With respect, surely it is the attitude and actions of the owner and his awful sidekick which is dividing the fans. As for protests, I assume you want them all to stop and for supporters to sit back and see what happens next? Because, judging by the last three years, that's not gone particularly well.Essex_Al said:
No mate it's nothing to do with us getting a couple of wins, it's the fact that supporters that do go and support the team are sick and tired of the boring nonsense of throwing stuff on the pitch and delaying games. We also have a new manager in place who seems to be welcomed by the majority, and fans want to give him the best possible support to get us back up into the Championship.cafctom said:Why on earth has the anti-CARD stuff seemingly really stepped up over the past week?
Is it simply because we had a couple of wins and then instantly people started thinking that any kind of protest would ruin the momentum of the team?
All you are doing is splitting the fan base and as already stated on here in another thread things are beginning to turn ugly. My humble advice to CARD is think very carefully about your next move!
Where you are right is re the divide. A fair number of those who still go regularly do not appreciate CARD and protests, while the latter ground don't necessarily appreciate those who won't join in protests. That is entirely the legacy of Duchatalet. Both sides need to accept that we are all CAFC fans and all want the same thing.1 -
They might. But a lot of people said that when Slade joined.andynelson said:
The Belgians might just have got it right, after nearly 3 years. If they'd appointed Nobby, or Congo Chris I don't think anybody would be asking your question.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Please tell me what the protests against the Belgians have to do with our new manager?Essex_Al said:
No mate it's nothing to do with us getting a couple of wins, it's the fact that supporters that do go and support the team are sick and tired of the boring nonsense of throwing stuff on the pitch and delaying games. We also have a new manager in place who seems to be welcomed by the majority, and fans want to give him the best possible support to get us back up into the Championship.cafctom said:Why on earth has the anti-CARD stuff seemingly really stepped up over the past week?
Is it simply because we had a couple of wins and then instantly people started thinking that any kind of protest would ruin the momentum of the team?
All you are doing is splitting the fan base and as already stated on here in another thread things are beginning to turn ugly. My humble advice to CARD is think very carefully about your next move!0 -
At times we're all guilty of believing what we want to believe.mogodon said:
They might. But a lot of people said that when Slade joined.andynelson said:
The Belgians might just have got it right, after nearly 3 years. If they'd appointed Nobby, or Congo Chris I don't think anybody would be asking your question.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Please tell me what the protests against the Belgians have to do with our new manager?Essex_Al said:
No mate it's nothing to do with us getting a couple of wins, it's the fact that supporters that do go and support the team are sick and tired of the boring nonsense of throwing stuff on the pitch and delaying games. We also have a new manager in place who seems to be welcomed by the majority, and fans want to give him the best possible support to get us back up into the Championship.cafctom said:Why on earth has the anti-CARD stuff seemingly really stepped up over the past week?
Is it simply because we had a couple of wins and then instantly people started thinking that any kind of protest would ruin the momentum of the team?
All you are doing is splitting the fan base and as already stated on here in another thread things are beginning to turn ugly. My humble advice to CARD is think very carefully about your next move!1 -
As an ex-season ticket holder at Liverpool, I very much doubt that he supported the Hicks/Gillette regime against the Spirit of Shankly group in similar circumstances. It will be interesting to see how he chooses his words.mogodon said:
Yes ... and the first press conference will be interesting as he is likely, despite a grinning Daisy sat next to him, to be asked about the protests etc. At best he should maintain a diplomatic neutrality but I wonder if he has the experience to do that as opposed to throwing his lot in with his employers.killerandflash said:To be fair, he hardly gave us a lecture, just an alleged casual comment on Twitter. indeed he's said virtually nothing since he was appointed, we've had no press conference yet
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Bang on mate. I have a cheeky play over there once in a blue moon and it's blatantly obvious that their real angst and anger is borne out of jealously, paranoia and an inability to articulate any reasonable alternative to the status quo. When one resorts to such bile and vitriol as displayed by some elsewhere, it's usually because a lack of intellect replaces any logical or sensible input. Must admit though, I do enjoy the odd rare visit as it's a place that makes me feel really intelligent.mogodon said:
Some of the vitriol on the other forum is remarkable, especially the violence advocated against the who protest. That said, it should be kept in proportion as it is general the same half dozen individuals, all who seem to have anti-CL, anti-CARD, anti-Rick axes to grind.WattsTheMatter said:I've been handing stuff for the protests out since the first Black and White protests with the leaflets and have continued to do so for all subsequent protests.
Yesterday was the first time that I recieved any level of abuse from people, being called a c***, and that I'm 'f***ing killing the club'. Also saw several of the stress balls getting thrown over roofs on Floyd Road and even a taxi getting at myself and several others who were handing out the stress balls/taxis.
This forum has always been the place with the most solid and high level of support for both CARD and the protests. But outside of here, particularly on the facebook group and the likes of ITTV, there is a rising anti-CARD, anti-protest sentiment, and we can't ignore that.3 -
Grateful for no further talk about 'others forums' please on here. Thanks1
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< MartTheTaxi">As one of the cab drivers on protest y'day want to say well done nicely organised . As for the Charlton fan at top of Charlton church lane baseball cap and beard calling us all wankers bravo . If you're happy way our club being run then there's only one wanker in all of this and it wasn't me or fellow cabbies.
Did he have a couple of kids with him, sounds like the idiot behind me in the covered end.1 -
The platform of which you speak, perfectly reflects a very small proportion of the fans who unfortunately align themselves with our great club.Arsenetatters said:
Apparently someone on another forum thinks it's really funny that I cried.Arsenetatters said:I left the match after about 60 minutes. I just felt so disconnected from the club - my club. I was totally indifferent about the score because it's Roland's team not ours any more. Walked out, shed a few tears, and went home. I hate what you've done to our club Katrien and Roland. I shall still help with protests but I can't face going inside the Valley until they've gone - it just feels wrong.
Thing is mate I'm a pretty emotional person. I'm bipolar. I often end up in psychiatric hospitals. So thanks a lot. Have a good laugh at that too.
Dim and deluded, it is only fitting they have their own squalid, poorly moderated forum to spout their nonsense.0 -
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Why would you want a MacDonalds when you can get steak (no offence to our vegetarian Lifers) on herecafcdave123 said:
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No doubt the press will be "ordered" to avoid questions on the protestsTutt-Tutt said:
As an ex-season ticket holder at Liverpool, I very much doubt that he supported the Hicks/Gillette regime against the Spirit of Shankly group in similar circumstances. It will be interesting to see how he chooses his words.mogodon said:
Yes ... and the first press conference will be interesting as he is likely, despite a grinning Daisy sat next to him, to be asked about the protests etc. At best he should maintain a diplomatic neutrality but I wonder if he has the experience to do that as opposed to throwing his lot in with his employers.killerandflash said:To be fair, he hardly gave us a lecture, just an alleged casual comment on Twitter. indeed he's said virtually nothing since he was appointed, we've had no press conference yet
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The best possible chance of us having a successful side is by getting rid of these owners. How has it taken eight cycles of this for you to still not realise this?Essex_Al said:
No mate it's nothing to do with us getting a couple of wins, it's the fact that supporters that do go and support the team are sick and tired of the boring nonsense of throwing stuff on the pitch and delaying games. We also have a new manager in place who seems to be welcomed by the majority, and fans want to give him the best possible support to get us back up into the Championship.cafctom said:Why on earth has the anti-CARD stuff seemingly really stepped up over the past week?
Is it simply because we had a couple of wins and then instantly people started thinking that any kind of protest would ruin the momentum of the team?
All you are doing is splitting the fan base and as already stated on here in another thread things are beginning to turn ugly. My humble advice to CARD is think very carefully about your next move!
The only thing splitting the fan base are those who have personal agendas against those involved with CARD for whatever reason.
Again, EIGHT MANAGERS! Do you want to have a club to support in twenty years time?!9 -
WE are also split between boycotters and attenders. One thing unites us- no-one actually knows what will get rid of Roland.cafctom said:Essex_Al said:
No mate it's nothing to do with us getting a couple of wins, it's the fact that supporters that do go and support the team are sick and tired of the boring nonsense of throwing stuff on the pitch and delaying games. We also have a new manager in place who seems to be welcomed by the majority, and fans want to give him the best possible support to get us back up into the Championship.cafctom said:Why on earth has the anti-CARD stuff seemingly really stepped up over the past week?
Is it simply because we had a couple of wins and then instantly people started thinking that any kind of protest would ruin the momentum of the team?
All you are doing is splitting the fan base and as already stated on here in another thread things are beginning to turn ugly. My humble advice to CARD is think very carefully about your next move!
The only thing splitting the fan base are those who have personal agendas against those involved with CARD for whatever reason.
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Ignore them.Arsenetatters said:
Apparently someone on another forum thinks it's really funny that I cried.Arsenetatters said:I left the match after about 60 minutes. I just felt so disconnected from the club - my club. I was totally indifferent about the score because it's Roland's team not ours any more. Walked out, shed a few tears, and went home. I hate what you've done to our club Katrien and Roland. I shall still help with protests but I can't face going inside the Valley until they've gone - it just feels wrong.
Thing is mate I'm a pretty emotional person. I'm bipolar. I often end up in psychiatric hospitals. So thanks a lot. Have a good laugh at that too.
You are very highly regarded on this your own, much larger, forum.
I hope you get on top of the problems distressing you just now.8 -
Chin up Arsene,in future I will save ALL the green jelly babies just for youLenGlover said:
Ignore them.Arsenetatters said:
Apparently someone on another forum thinks it's really funny that I cried.Arsenetatters said:I left the match after about 60 minutes. I just felt so disconnected from the club - my club. I was totally indifferent about the score because it's Roland's team not ours any more. Walked out, shed a few tears, and went home. I hate what you've done to our club Katrien and Roland. I shall still help with protests but I can't face going inside the Valley until they've gone - it just feels wrong.
Thing is mate I'm a pretty emotional person. I'm bipolar. I often end up in psychiatric hospitals. So thanks a lot. Have a good laugh at that too.
You are very highly regarded on this your own, much larger, forum.
I hope you get on top of the problems distressing you just now.
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Ha, try doing that! I've covered press conferences all over the world for thirty odd years (including in Iraq under Saddam), and I've never heard anyone ordering the press to avoid questions.charltonbob said:
No doubt the press will be "ordered" to avoid questions on the protestsTutt-Tutt said:
As an ex-season ticket holder at Liverpool, I very much doubt that he supported the Hicks/Gillette regime against the Spirit of Shankly group in similar circumstances. It will be interesting to see how he chooses his words.mogodon said:
Yes ... and the first press conference will be interesting as he is likely, despite a grinning Daisy sat next to him, to be asked about the protests etc. At best he should maintain a diplomatic neutrality but I wonder if he has the experience to do that as opposed to throwing his lot in with his employers.killerandflash said:To be fair, he hardly gave us a lecture, just an alleged casual comment on Twitter. indeed he's said virtually nothing since he was appointed, we've had no press conference yet
They'd immediately publish that as a story.0 -
I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing will.andynelson said:
WE are also split between boycotters and attenders. One thing unites us- no-one actually knows what will get rid of Roland.cafctom said:Essex_Al said:
No mate it's nothing to do with us getting a couple of wins, it's the fact that supporters that do go and support the team are sick and tired of the boring nonsense of throwing stuff on the pitch and delaying games. We also have a new manager in place who seems to be welcomed by the majority, and fans want to give him the best possible support to get us back up into the Championship.cafctom said:Why on earth has the anti-CARD stuff seemingly really stepped up over the past week?
Is it simply because we had a couple of wins and then instantly people started thinking that any kind of protest would ruin the momentum of the team?
All you are doing is splitting the fan base and as already stated on here in another thread things are beginning to turn ugly. My humble advice to CARD is think very carefully about your next move!
The only thing splitting the fan base are those who have personal agendas against those involved with CARD for whatever reason.0 -
Well he is seventy so one way or another he will be gonejdmotion said:
I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing will.andynelson said:
WE are also split between boycotters and attenders. One thing unites us- no-one actually knows what will get rid of Roland.cafctom said:Essex_Al said:
No mate it's nothing to do with us getting a couple of wins, it's the fact that supporters that do go and support the team are sick and tired of the boring nonsense of throwing stuff on the pitch and delaying games. We also have a new manager in place who seems to be welcomed by the majority, and fans want to give him the best possible support to get us back up into the Championship.cafctom said:Why on earth has the anti-CARD stuff seemingly really stepped up over the past week?
Is it simply because we had a couple of wins and then instantly people started thinking that any kind of protest would ruin the momentum of the team?
All you are doing is splitting the fan base and as already stated on here in another thread things are beginning to turn ugly. My humble advice to CARD is think very carefully about your next move!
The only thing splitting the fan base are those who have personal agendas against those involved with CARD for whatever reason.0 -
He has a son hasn't he, when Roland hangs up his boots I am sure he will inherit the business?blackpool72 said:
Well he is seventy so one way or another he will be gonejdmotion said:
I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing will.andynelson said:
WE are also split between boycotters and attenders. One thing unites us- no-one actually knows what will get rid of Roland.cafctom said:Essex_Al said:
No mate it's nothing to do with us getting a couple of wins, it's the fact that supporters that do go and support the team are sick and tired of the boring nonsense of throwing stuff on the pitch and delaying games. We also have a new manager in place who seems to be welcomed by the majority, and fans want to give him the best possible support to get us back up into the Championship.cafctom said:Why on earth has the anti-CARD stuff seemingly really stepped up over the past week?
Is it simply because we had a couple of wins and then instantly people started thinking that any kind of protest would ruin the momentum of the team?
All you are doing is splitting the fan base and as already stated on here in another thread things are beginning to turn ugly. My humble advice to CARD is think very carefully about your next move!
The only thing splitting the fan base are those who have personal agendas against those involved with CARD for whatever reason.0
