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Everton agree fee for Lookman (ed. Gone)

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  • se9addick said:

    purdis said:

    The JBG sale rings a bell here as being a bit on the cheap side.

    The JBG sale rings a bell here as being a bit on the cheap side.

    That would be the nearest to a poor sale but I said in terms of potential and age - JBG is in his 27th year.

    Also, it is highly likely that JBG would not have left had we stayed up and the Club was forced to sell him as a knock on effect of the relegation.

    Even after a successful European Championship where he excelled, Gudmundsson was a big risk for a Premiership Club as his pace is not electric so that would also have affected his market value at that time.

    In potential terms, Lookman has it all and if he can sort out his final ball, the world should be his oyster.
    Joe Gomez is a much better prospect than Lookman IMO.

    I know Gomez can play at Premier League level, I think Lookman might be able to.
    I agree with you there, but strikers go at a premium and we know Lookman can score. If he does make the grade, £10-£11,000,000 is a snip.
    If he don't make it its bloody expensive
  • We've always sold our young players, what annoys me now is that we don't see these players for any length of time before they are shipped on.

    Nothing more than a player farm now to line Duchatelet's pocket, absolutely despise him & Meire for what they continue to do to our club.

    I've never felt so little for Charlton Athletic, thanks Roland, thanks Katrien - haven't been to The Valley for 13 months now because of you & what you are doing, held a season ticket from 1994 until last season & can honestly say, I can't ever see myself returning at any point.

    Why are you on CL then, if you have no intention of ever watching Charlton at home in your lifetime ? Genuine question, assuming you're not abroad, incapacitated etc.
    that is a question that could be asked of a lot on here ..
    No it isn't.

    Those that are boycotting are (overwhelmingly) doing so because of the regime. They see themselves returning when the regime leaves.
    you know this for a fact do you ? .. will you be buying/renewing a season ticket as soon as there is a regime change, if and when that happens ? .. best you speak for yourself and not attempt to read the minds of 'the overwhelming number of boycotters'
    Speaking for me, my brother and my nephew as soon as there is a regime change there will be three new season tickets sold for starters.
  • Looking at the stats Lookman played 49 games for us, Bowyer 58, so not much more. Gordon Watson played 36 games for us, so fewer times

    And looking at other players who moved when young, Walcott played 23 games for Soton, and Ox-Chamberlain 43 games
  • We've always sold our young players, what annoys me now is that we don't see these players for any length of time before they are shipped on.

    Nothing more than a player farm now to line Duchatelet's pocket, absolutely despise him & Meire for what they continue to do to our club.

    I've never felt so little for Charlton Athletic, thanks Roland, thanks Katrien - haven't been to The Valley for 13 months now because of you & what you are doing, held a season ticket from 1994 until last season & can honestly say, I can't ever see myself returning at any point.

    Why are you on CL then, if you have no intention of ever watching Charlton at home in your lifetime ? Genuine question, assuming you're not abroad, incapacitated etc.
    that is a question that could be asked of a lot on here ..
    No it isn't.

    Those that are boycotting are (overwhelmingly) doing so because of the regime. They see themselves returning when the regime leaves.
    you know this for a fact do you ? .. will you be buying/renewing a season ticket as soon as there is a regime change, if and when that happens ? .. best you speak for yourself and not attempt to read the minds of 'the overwhelming number of boycotters'
    Speaking for me, my brother and my nephew as soon as there is a regime change there will be three new season tickets sold for starters.
    Also little legs aka elfsborg
  • purdis said:

    purdis said:

    It's worth noting that clubs like Lyon used to start each season by putting a value next to each of their players, and selling them if it was above that value. During that time they won Ligue 1 seven times in a row.

    However, despite this whenever a club came in for a player they immediately leaked or announced to the press that that player was not for sale and was invaluable to the side in order to ensure they got the price they wanted.

    Now I'm not often one to lavish or even infer praise on Katrien, but I don't believe someone can be 100% wrong all of the time, so maybe this is a glimpse of shrewd business by her.

    £7.5m guaranteed for a 19 year old in L1 who's only been at the club for about three years can't really be viewed as anything other than a decent sale. The most worrying thing for me is that in three years, this is the first genuinely good sale she's made. I'm glad we seem to have got a good deal but it's still a shocking track record
    How many players have we sold who are as good as Ademola with as much potential?
    I'm not really sure what you're asking here
    The comment was made or suggested that the Club, under KM, had a string of poor sales until this one popped up - my point is that none of those labelled under poor sales had the talent and potential of Ademola.

    In terms of potential, Joe Gomez would likely take second place to Ade but after that, in terms of age, excitement value and pure potential, Ade is a class above anyone sold in his age group, and, as such, it is inaccurate to highlight a string of poor sales prior to this.
    If Yann wasn't a poor sale, i don't know what is. Compounded, of course, by the signing of Pete for twice what we got for Yann. Where are Pete and Yann now? Only one of them is doing the business in the Championship.
    Having also done the business in the Prem.
  • se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    purdis said:

    The JBG sale rings a bell here as being a bit on the cheap side.

    The JBG sale rings a bell here as being a bit on the cheap side.

    That would be the nearest to a poor sale but I said in terms of potential and age - JBG is in his 27th year.

    Also, it is highly likely that JBG would not have left had we stayed up and the Club was forced to sell him as a knock on effect of the relegation.

    Even after a successful European Championship where he excelled, Gudmundsson was a big risk for a Premiership Club as his pace is not electric so that would also have affected his market value at that time.

    In potential terms, Lookman has it all and if he can sort out his final ball, the world should be his oyster.
    Joe Gomez is a much better prospect than Lookman IMO.

    I know Gomez can play at Premier League level, I think Lookman might be able to.
    I agree with you there, but strikers go at a premium and we know Lookman can score. If he does make the grade, £10-£11,000,000 is a snip.
    Quite, but the point @purdis was making was that Lookman had more potential than Gomez - I strongly disagree with that.
    Fair point you make but I was referring to the position Ade plays which is in big demand.

    Not sure where Joe will end up playing, position-wise, he's such a versatile talent.
  • Lookman is a really talented player. I'm not sure where he fits into the team though, especially with the 1 up front systems many clubs use nowadays. He's not a winger as his crossing isn't great, and his dead balls even worse, and he prefers to play centrally a nyway.

    I can see him either as a striker in a pairing (like Owen with Heskey, or Defoe with Crouch) or as a No 10, floating around behind a striker.
  • edited January 2017
    purdis said:

    The JBG sale rings a bell here as being a bit on the cheap side.

    The JBG sale rings a bell here as being a bit on the cheap side.

    That would be the nearest to a poor sale but I said in terms of potential and age - JBG is in his 27th year.

    Also, it is highly likely that JBG would not have left had we stayed up and the Club was forced to sell him as a knock on effect of the relegation.

    Even after a successful European Championship where he excelled, Gudmundsson was a big risk for a Premiership Club as his pace is not electric so that would also have affected his market value at that time.

    In potential terms, Lookman has it all and if he can sort out his final ball, the world should be his oyster.
    Sorry, but this is backwards. Johann at 27 is entering his prime, had just come off the back of a successful tournament where his team defied expectations, and finished the season as the top assist-maker in the Championship. Burnley got £130m just for existing in the Premier League. £2.5m isn't even close to a risk, it's nothing. His market value was at its highest point - he's not going to get quicker - and the fact we had just been relegated was offset by the fact he had three years left to run on his deal. For comparison, Kemar Roofe was signed by Leeds, a Championship team from Oxford in League 2 for £4m. Katrien had an absolute stinker with the Johann transfer
  • clb74 said:

    We've always sold our young players, what annoys me now is that we don't see these players for any length of time before they are shipped on.

    Nothing more than a player farm now to line Duchatelet's pocket, absolutely despise him & Meire for what they continue to do to our club.

    I've never felt so little for Charlton Athletic, thanks Roland, thanks Katrien - haven't been to The Valley for 13 months now because of you & what you are doing, held a season ticket from 1994 until last season & can honestly say, I can't ever see myself returning at any point.

    Why are you on CL then, if you have no intention of ever watching Charlton at home in your lifetime ? Genuine question, assuming you're not abroad, incapacitated etc.
    that is a question that could be asked of a lot on here ..
    No it isn't.

    Those that are boycotting are (overwhelmingly) doing so because of the regime. They see themselves returning when the regime leaves.
    you know this for a fact do you ? .. will you be buying/renewing a season ticket as soon as there is a regime change, if and when that happens ? .. best you speak for yourself and not attempt to read the minds of 'the overwhelming number of boycotters'
    Speaking for me, my brother and my nephew as soon as there is a regime change there will be three new season tickets sold for starters.
    Also little legs aka elfsborg
    and a lot of others .. the original comment was made about a person who (I paraphrase) doubts that he will ever again go/come to watch Charlton .. I have read quite a few posts on here where 'fans' have stated (I paraphrase) that being freed from the yoke of watching Charlton, they have found a new lease of life and will never come back .. problem is I can't recall any names .. so to sum up m'lud .. many boycotters will return, and alas many boycotters will become permanent absentees (probably)
  • purdis said:

    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    purdis said:

    The JBG sale rings a bell here as being a bit on the cheap side.

    The JBG sale rings a bell here as being a bit on the cheap side.

    That would be the nearest to a poor sale but I said in terms of potential and age - JBG is in his 27th year.

    Also, it is highly likely that JBG would not have left had we stayed up and the Club was forced to sell him as a knock on effect of the relegation.

    Even after a successful European Championship where he excelled, Gudmundsson was a big risk for a Premiership Club as his pace is not electric so that would also have affected his market value at that time.

    In potential terms, Lookman has it all and if he can sort out his final ball, the world should be his oyster.
    Joe Gomez is a much better prospect than Lookman IMO.

    I know Gomez can play at Premier League level, I think Lookman might be able to.
    I agree with you there, but strikers go at a premium and we know Lookman can score. If he does make the grade, £10-£11,000,000 is a snip.
    Quite, but the point @purdis was making was that Lookman had more potential than Gomez - I strongly disagree with that.
    Fair point you make but I was referring to the position Ade plays which is in big demand.

    Not sure where Joe will end up playing, position-wise, he's such a versatile talent.
    Hopefully centre back, I guess it depends on what this long term injury(s) have done to him - hopefully he's young enough for it not to have a big impact on his career.

    As for Lookman, we'll see - I think he has potential no doubt, but I don't think it's enough to make me part with £7.5m+ regardless of how much money Everton have coming in. Hope he proves me wrong.
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  • We've always sold our young players, what annoys me now is that we don't see these players for any length of time before they are shipped on.

    Nothing more than a player farm now to line Duchatelet's pocket, absolutely despise him & Meire for what they continue to do to our club.

    I've never felt so little for Charlton Athletic, thanks Roland, thanks Katrien - haven't been to The Valley for 13 months now because of you & what you are doing, held a season ticket from 1994 until last season & can honestly say, I can't ever see myself returning at any point.

    Why are you on CL then, if you have no intention of ever watching Charlton at home in your lifetime ? Genuine question, assuming you're not abroad, incapacitated etc.
    that is a question that could be asked of a lot on here ..
    No it isn't.

    Those that are boycotting are (overwhelmingly) doing so because of the regime. They see themselves returning when the regime leaves.
    you know this for a fact do you ? .. will you be buying/renewing a season ticket as soon as there is a regime change, if and when that happens ? .. best you speak for yourself and not attempt to read the minds of 'the overwhelming number of boycotters'
    Speaking for me, my brother and my nephew as soon as there is a regime change there will be three new season tickets sold for starters.
    this could go on for years and years .. are you saying that even if we were to get back to the top flights (unlikely as it seems a t m ) you just WOULD NOT ever again go to the Valley to watch Charlton and neither would your family ? .. when does a 'fan' become an 'ex fan'
  • Lookman is a really talented player. I'm not sure where he fits into the team though, especially with the 1 up front systems many clubs use nowadays. He's not a winger as his crossing isn't great, and his dead balls even worse, and he prefers to play centrally a nyway.

    I can see him either as a striker in a pairing (like Owen with Heskey, or Defoe with Crouch) or as a No 10, floating around behind a striker.

    I wrote elsewhere that I can see him as a Kante/Wanyama type if/when he puts on a few pound and toughens up .. he's mobile, likes to put it about and can take it, always seems to like being in the action .. I have doubts as to his 'class and ability' to be a midfield controller or indeed as a regular and consistent goal scorer at the highest level
  • purdis said:

    purdis said:

    It's worth noting that clubs like Lyon used to start each season by putting a value next to each of their players, and selling them if it was above that value. During that time they won Ligue 1 seven times in a row.

    However, despite this whenever a club came in for a player they immediately leaked or announced to the press that that player was not for sale and was invaluable to the side in order to ensure they got the price they wanted.

    Now I'm not often one to lavish or even infer praise on Katrien, but I don't believe someone can be 100% wrong all of the time, so maybe this is a glimpse of shrewd business by her.

    £7.5m guaranteed for a 19 year old in L1 who's only been at the club for about three years can't really be viewed as anything other than a decent sale. The most worrying thing for me is that in three years, this is the first genuinely good sale she's made. I'm glad we seem to have got a good deal but it's still a shocking track record
    How many players have we sold who are as good as Ademola with as much potential?
    I'm not really sure what you're asking here
    The comment was made or suggested that the Club, under KM, had a string of poor sales until this one popped up - my point is that none of those labelled under poor sales had the talent and potential of Ademola.

    In terms of potential, Joe Gomez would likely take second place to Ade but after that, in terms of age, excitement value and pure potential, Ade is a class above anyone sold in his age group, and, as such, it is inaccurate to highlight a string of poor sales prior to this.
    Ah, thanks. I don't think I agree with what you're saying though. Firstly, I think Gomez would figure above Lookman in terms of potential. We'll have to see how he comes back from his knee injury but in my eyes if he gets developed properly he'll be the best talent we've ever produced.

    Beyond that though, your criteria are too limited. We've been the victim of countless poor sales, it doesn't matter if they're not all potential England internationals, it only matters if we got a decent fee for them relative to their ability and how much our team was weakened as a result. Yann was a terrible sale, we never should have even contemplated selling him. Three years on regardless of whether we were Championship or L1 he'd still be in our first team. Morrison on a free was a shocking sale. Cousins for £1.25m was criminal. Johann for £2.5m to a Premiership team when he was one year into a four year deal was insane; Dyche couldn't believe his luck. You can add onto that all the bloody contracts we've cancelled as well. Tucudean, Bergdych, Parzyszek, Lepoint etc all signed for fees and then paid to leave the building. I can't find a fee for Harriott anywhere but somehow I doubt it was very high.

    My points is, this is the first time you can look at a fee we've received for one of our first team players under this lot and say we got a decent deal. That's a shocking place to be in after three years
    Fair assessment, I would say but they admitted they'd got it wrong and underestimated the standard of the Championship which is why we are now getting English managers.

    Let's not forget the good players that were brought in such as Igor (until his injury), Tony Watt whose talent was unquestionable, Kashi, Henderson, Tex, Bauer, Diarra, Fanni, JBG, Bulot, Buyens (best penalty taker ever?), Ben Haim, Motta .....
    These players were all good enough to play in a good Championship side.

    The fees we got for Cousins and JBG were not unreasonable - just my opinion.

  • Most talented youngster I've seen at Charlton. Outstanding prospect

    You obviously never saw Paul Walsh or lee Bowyer
    Or even Gomez.
  • Most talented youngster I've seen at Charlton. Outstanding prospect

    You obviously never saw Paul Walsh or lee Bowyer
    Or even Gomez.
    Exactly
  • edited January 2017
    se9addick said:

    purdis said:

    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    purdis said:

    The JBG sale rings a bell here as being a bit on the cheap side.

    The JBG sale rings a bell here as being a bit on the cheap side.

    That would be the nearest to a poor sale but I said in terms of potential and age - JBG is in his 27th year.

    Also, it is highly likely that JBG would not have left had we stayed up and the Club was forced to sell him as a knock on effect of the relegation.

    Even after a successful European Championship where he excelled, Gudmundsson was a big risk for a Premiership Club as his pace is not electric so that would also have affected his market value at that time.

    In potential terms, Lookman has it all and if he can sort out his final ball, the world should be his oyster.
    Joe Gomez is a much better prospect than Lookman IMO.

    I know Gomez can play at Premier League level, I think Lookman might be able to.
    I agree with you there, but strikers go at a premium and we know Lookman can score. If he does make the grade, £10-£11,000,000 is a snip.
    Quite, but the point @purdis was making was that Lookman had more potential than Gomez - I strongly disagree with that.
    Fair point you make but I was referring to the position Ade plays which is in big demand.

    Not sure where Joe will end up playing, position-wise, he's such a versatile talent.
    Hopefully centre back, I guess it depends on what this long term injury(s) have done to him - hopefully he's young enough for it not to have a big impact on his career.

    As for Lookman, we'll see - I think he has potential no doubt, but I don't think it's enough to make me part with £7.5m+ regardless of how much money Everton have coming in. Hope he proves me wrong.
    Walcott was a big risk for Arsenal - hopefully they will follow a similar career path.
  • Lookman is very raw he looks like someone who developed outside the academy system. Gomez by contrast just looks like a top player, he has that class about him

    Still think Scott Parker is the best young player I've seen play for us though!

    I guess Alan Campbell was before your time?
    Magic man of his day.
  • purdis said:

    Lookman is very raw he looks like someone who developed outside the academy system. Gomez by contrast just looks like a top player, he has that class about him

    Still think Scott Parker is the best young player I've seen play for us though!

    I guess Alan Campbell was before your time?
    Magic man of his day.
    same for Billy Bonds .. not a Campbell though
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  • Billy used to live on The Vista at Middle Park then he moved up near Chapel Farm Road and used to run his Greyhound pet in the fields by Altash Way at the back of us - the dog ran the same as Billy - long legs at great pace!

    Was gutted when we sold him - he was just 21.

    Len Glover was another loss.
  • purdis said:

    Lookman is very raw he looks like someone who developed outside the academy system. Gomez by contrast just looks like a top player, he has that class about him

    Still think Scott Parker is the best young player I've seen play for us though!

    I guess Alan Campbell was before your time?
    Magic man of his day.
    Scott Parker wasn't that good to start with.
    He was sent out on loan to reading or somewhere and when he came back he turned into a Charlton legend .



    Until his transfer to Chelsea
  • We've always sold our young players, what annoys me now is that we don't see these players for any length of time before they are shipped on.

    Nothing more than a player farm now to line Duchatelet's pocket, absolutely despise him & Meire for what they continue to do to our club.

    I've never felt so little for Charlton Athletic, thanks Roland, thanks Katrien - haven't been to The Valley for 13 months now because of you & what you are doing, held a season ticket from 1994 until last season & can honestly say, I can't ever see myself returning at any point.

    Why are you on CL then, if you have no intention of ever watching Charlton at home in your lifetime ? Genuine question, assuming you're not abroad, incapacitated etc.
    that is a question that could be asked of a lot on here ..
    No it isn't.

    Those that are boycotting are (overwhelmingly) doing so because of the regime. They see themselves returning when the regime leaves.
    you know this for a fact do you ? .. will you be buying/renewing a season ticket as soon as there is a regime change, if and when that happens ? .. best you speak for yourself and not attempt to read the minds of 'the overwhelming number of boycotters'
    Speaking for me, my brother and my nephew as soon as there is a regime change there will be three new season tickets sold for starters.
    Add me, one of my brothers and my son.

    There were threads on here with people listing the numbers of years support they given and stating they would be back when they've gone.

    As Theresa May said boycott means boycott
  • purdis said:

    Lookman is very raw he looks like someone who developed outside the academy system. Gomez by contrast just looks like a top player, he has that class about him

    Still think Scott Parker is the best young player I've seen play for us though!

    I guess Alan Campbell was before your time?
    Magic man of his day.
    Yes he was!

    I think most people would say Parker was better than Campbell though, in terms of who he played for, international caps etc. Parker did it for us in the PL as well, and was the key player in the team that finished 7th and would have got a European spot if he stayed...

    Bonds certainly is a good shout, an amazing career at West Ham after he left us.
  • edited January 2017

    We've always sold our young players, what annoys me now is that we don't see these players for any length of time before they are shipped on.

    Nothing more than a player farm now to line Duchatelet's pocket, absolutely despise him & Meire for what they continue to do to our club.

    I've never felt so little for Charlton Athletic, thanks Roland, thanks Katrien - haven't been to The Valley for 13 months now because of you & what you are doing, held a season ticket from 1994 until last season & can honestly say, I can't ever see myself returning at any point.

    Why are you on CL then, if you have no intention of ever watching Charlton at home in your lifetime ? Genuine question, assuming you're not abroad, incapacitated etc.
    that is a question that could be asked of a lot on here ..
    No it isn't.

    Those that are boycotting are (overwhelmingly) doing so because of the regime. They see themselves returning when the regime leaves.
    you know this for a fact do you ? .. will you be buying/renewing a season ticket as soon as there is a regime change, if and when that happens ? .. best you speak for yourself and not attempt to read the minds of 'the overwhelming number of boycotters'
    Speaking for me, my brother and my nephew as soon as there is a regime change there will be three new season tickets sold for starters.
    Add me, one of my brothers and my son.

    There were threads on here with people listing the numbers of years support they given and stating they would be back when they've gone.

    As Theresa May said boycott means boycott
    but you're not boycotting, you're taking all the freebies you can get, asking for the loan of others' season tickets .. what you mean is that you are not (presumably) spending any money on CAFC merchandise or facilities .. is that not more accurate
  • http://www.evertoniansclub.com Contacted me on twitter to ask if I could write an article on lookman and thoughts about him and charlton will reach about 2000 people chance for card to get something out there? Not really my bag but would be happy to arrange it with them?
  • purdis said:

    Lookman is very raw he looks like someone who developed outside the academy system. Gomez by contrast just looks like a top player, he has that class about him

    Still think Scott Parker is the best young player I've seen play for us though!

    I guess Alan Campbell was before your time?
    Magic man of his day.
    Yes he was!

    I think most people would say Parker was better than Campbell though, in terms of who he played for, international caps etc. Parker did it for us in the PL as well, and was the key player in the team that finished 7th and would have got a European spot if he stayed...

    Bonds certainly is a good shout, an amazing career at West Ham after he left us.
    I think Campbell lost his way after he reached 23'ish - rumour has it he liked to party. These days footballers can't do that - they'd be exposed fitness wise in no time.

    Two very different players, Campbell and Parker - technically Campbell was a class above but Parker's work rate, determination, grit, fearlessnes, tenacity and play-breaking qualities were exceptional.

    In terms of team contribution, Parker wins but in terms of wow factor and skill, Campbell, every time.
  • We've always sold our young players, what annoys me now is that we don't see these players for any length of time before they are shipped on.

    Nothing more than a player farm now to line Duchatelet's pocket, absolutely despise him & Meire for what they continue to do to our club.

    I've never felt so little for Charlton Athletic, thanks Roland, thanks Katrien - haven't been to The Valley for 13 months now because of you & what you are doing, held a season ticket from 1994 until last season & can honestly say, I can't ever see myself returning at any point.

    Why are you on CL then, if you have no intention of ever watching Charlton at home in your lifetime ? Genuine question, assuming you're not abroad, incapacitated etc.
    that is a question that could be asked of a lot on here ..
    No it isn't.

    Those that are boycotting are (overwhelmingly) doing so because of the regime. They see themselves returning when the regime leaves.
    you know this for a fact do you ? .. will you be buying/renewing a season ticket as soon as there is a regime change, if and when that happens ? .. best you speak for yourself and not attempt to read the minds of 'the overwhelming number of boycotters'
    Speaking for me, my brother and my nephew as soon as there is a regime change there will be three new season tickets sold for starters.
    Add me, one of my brothers and my son.

    There were threads on here with people listing the numbers of years support they given and stating they would be back when they've gone.

    As Theresa May said boycott means boycott
    but you're not boycotting, you're taking all the freebies you can get, asking for the loan of others' season tickets .. what you mean is that you are not (presumably) spending any money on CAFC merchandise or facilities .. is that not more accurate
    Wait, are you accusing him of being the Club Secretary's wife ?
  • I was lucky enough to see the early career of Graeme Sharp before he moved to Everton. If Ademola Lookman is only half as good then Everton have got themselves a bargain. Good luck, Ade. I'll follow your career with interest.
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