Who are the tournament champions? England or Ireland coz you wouldn't fuckin know going by the reaction from the commentators and pundits, going on about how Ireland won second? The fact that England have actually won the Trophy has only been mentioned once. Have a day off FFS
Well done Ireland for stopping Us win the 2nd Grand Slam on the spin!!!
Lets have some credit and respect for the 2017 6 Nations Champions though eh
Who are the tournament champions? England or Ireland coz you wouldn't fuckin know going by the reaction from the commentators and pundits, going on about how Ireland won second? The fact that England have actually won the Trophy has only been mentioned once. Have a day off FFS
Well done Ireland for stopping Us win the 2nd Grand Slam on the spin!!!
Lets have some credit and respect for the 2017 6 Nations Champions though eh
Seriously Guiny mate, I'm genuinely flaberghasted by that. What's so important about Dublin?
Win the competition by 5 clear points (Over 5 games) and the emphasis is on one of only 3 games Ireland won.
"And we'll have more on Ireland's win after an appeal by the East Africa Crisis" Lets talk about the 2 games Ireland lost shall wee
Both games that Ireland lost, they could have won, much like Englabd could have lost to Wales. It's the small things that sometimes go with you make you winners, if they go against you, you can find yourself on the losing side.
It's not so much the rugby itself, its the coverage and peoples attitude to wanting to beat England. It is obvious that beating England and not winning the competition means more to the Irish people than winning the competition and losing to England
After the previous games, the best Ireland could do was to beat England and stop them getting back to back slams, they done that. I don't think there is an Irish person would won't have liked it to be a championship / grand slam decider today.
Who are the tournament champions? England or Ireland coz you wouldn't fuckin know going by the reaction from the commentators and pundits, going on about how Ireland won second? The fact that England have actually won the Trophy has only been mentioned once. Have a day off FFS
Well done Ireland for stopping Us win the 2nd Grand Slam on the spin!!!
Lets have some credit and respect for the 2017 6 Nations Champions though eh
Who are the tournament champions? England or Ireland coz you wouldn't fuckin know going by the reaction from the commentators and pundits, going on about how Ireland won second? The fact that England have actually won the Trophy has only been mentioned once. Have a day off FFS
Well done Ireland for stopping Us win the 2nd Grand Slam on the spin!!!
Lets have some credit and respect for the 2017 6 Nations Champions though eh
Seriously Guiny mate, I'm genuinely flaberghasted by that. What's so important about Dublin?
Win the competition by 5 clear points (Over 5 games) and the emphasis is on one of only 3 games Ireland won.
"And we'll have more on Ireland's win after an appeal by the East Africa Crisis" Lets talk about the 2 games Ireland lost shall wee
Both games that Ireland lost, they could have won, much like Englabd could have lost to Wales. It's the small things that sometimes go with you make you winners, if they go against you, you can find yourself on the losing side.
It's not so much the rugby itself, its the coverage and peoples attitude to wanting to beat England. It is obvious that beating England and not winning the competition means more to the Irish people than winning the competition and losing to England
After the previous games, the best Ireland could do was to beat England and stop them getting back to back slams, they done that. I don't think there is an Irish person would won't have liked it to be a championship / grand slam decider today.
All the more reason more credit shoulda been afforded to the England squad imo
Ireland produced a great performance. 75% possession in the first half, but only 4 points ahead meant England were always a danger despite not being/not being allowed to be at their best. O'Mahony was immense after the loss of Heaslip in the warm up. With Kearney & Murray already missing, Ireland were already depleted & needed everyone to step up, which they did.
England deserved to win the 6 Nations. They've been on a great run under Jones, who was gracious in defeat today. They have some very good players coming through & strength in depth.
Like any sport though, you're there to be taken down if you're on such a run...just look at Huddersfield & their 6 year unbeaten run in League 1!!! It's what makes us watch & support and why people root for the underdog.
Who are the tournament champions? England or Ireland coz you wouldn't fuckin know going by the reaction from the commentators and pundits, going on about how Ireland won second? The fact that England have actually won the Trophy has only been mentioned once. Have a day off FFS
Well done Ireland for stopping Us win the 2nd Grand Slam on the spin!!!
Lets have some credit and respect for the 2017 6 Nations Champions though eh
I think that is honestly one of the worst 6 Nations in living memory. Not a single team particularly shined. Australia and New Zealand must be rubbing their hands in glee at how poorly everyone performed.
The same Australia that got dicked senseless in their own back yard by one of the European teams a few months ago?
A one off. The Northern Hemisphere is playing predictable, uninspirational rugby at the moment. The upcoming Lions tour ought to show whether we are ready to challenge them.
The same Australia that got dicked senseless in their own back yard by one of the European teams a few months ago?
A one off. The Northern Hemisphere is playing predictable, uninspirational rugby at the moment. The upcoming Lions tour ought to show whether we are ready to challenge them.
I think that is honestly one of the worst 6 Nations in living memory. Not a single team particularly shined. Australia and New Zealand must be rubbing their hands in glee at how poorly everyone performed.
Australia? They've lost 9 of their last 15 games (4 of those against England)
England aren't as good as New Zealand and have struggled to really cut loose in the six nations.
They are getting close to having two top international quality players on a lot of the positions.
Weaknesses still for me are at:
Full back - remain unsure about Brown Centres - have good ball players and good driving and defensive players but struggle to work out which to play and none are really world class in both Flankers - itoje and cruse seem to have more impact in positions you would expect the flankers to be than the flankers themselves sometimes and this needs to change
So going forward then, Scotland, Italy, France, Ireland and Wales just need to accumulate the most points to win the title and any credit that goes along witb doing so, but England need to do it without loosing a game.
It's a bit like playing football with a 5 year old and letting the ball go in the goal every time
Cor that's good, England won the 6 Nations - Yeah, but you lost??? the Grand Slam and look, to really emphasise how shit you are, it happened in Dublin.
Cor that's good, England won the 6 Nations - Yeah, but you lost??? the Grand Slam and look, to really emphasise how shit you are, it happened in Dublin.
WTF??????
I'd say you need to have a good sit down Big Rob, but sounds like that might be piling the pain on for you!
From the coverage I saw, both Joe Schmidt & Rory Best were very complimentary about the England team, calling them deserving champions and a great side. Perhaps ITV could have handled the presentation better, but that's your broadcaster, not an Irish, Welsh or Scottish one. And the lights weren't turned off on England, the floodlights were off, so the spotlight could better pick out the players getting their medals.
England have a very good set of players coming through and a lot of strength in depth and they deserved to win the tournament. One defeat won't do them any harm either. Jones will make sure they learn from it.
England aren't as good as New Zealand and have struggled to really cut loose in the six nations.
They are getting close to having two top international quality players on a lot of the positions.
Weaknesses still for me are at:
Full back - remain unsure about Brown Centres - have good ball players and good driving and defensive players but struggle to work out which to play and none are really world class in both Flankers - itoje and cruse seem to have more impact in positions you would expect the flankers to be than the flankers themselves sometimes and this needs to change
You are spot on about Brown. He will be 34 at the next World Cup. Been a good player for England, but Daly will end up at Full back, and I think now is the time.
I also think Ford has been pretty poor for a while now. Farrell should switch to fly half. Kruis and Launhbury should be the lock pairing.
Grand Slam and not beating The NZ record, I don't losing a game is actually a bad thing - it's a wake up call.
From an Irish perspective (something reinforced by what Eddie O'Sullivan was saying on Sportsweek), yesterday was about rescuing a 6 Nations where we had played poorly on a number of occasions.
We are always pleased to beat England, partly out of petty rivalry (the best type to have) and partly because England, both because of the numbers of registered players and the strength of the domestic league, should always win the 6 Nations. On a personal level of pettiness, I don't rate Jamie Heaslip, and I'm convinced the win was down to his absence.
For those complaining about the post match analysis, it is intended to analyse the match that has just been played. While there may be some kind of review of the 6 Nations as a whole, it is only ever tacked on at the end (like a video montage), with a discussion of where teams are "going forward". I'd also refer to the mood music from the England camp before the match, where the press reported that failing to win in Dublin would make winning the 6 Nations feel like losing.
The problem for England is that its domestic league is too powerful and its wealthy owners are seeking to emulate football (including the degree to which club representation is seen to be more important than the national team). The clubs, with their French compatriots, have changed a successful international club competition to increase their own involvement in the latter stages, without the inconvenience of having to win to get there, like the creation of the Champions' League, they limit access for the home nations when looking to develop their teams, and prevent players from developing/lower rank nations playing for their countries at all - and, with rugby's residency rules, some may then get parachuted in to the English set up, blocking out English players (if, as I do, people find it objectionable that NZ harvest the best talent from the South Sea nations, then it is equally objectionable for other teams).
As ever, much of the blame lies at the feet of the administrators, who are too willing to roll over for the simple reason that the wealthy clubs have financial clout. (I'd have been happier to see the Heineken Cup to continue as was, if some had left in a huff, bringing in regional teams from other European countries, including Georgia, Romania, Spain, Portugal.)
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England deserved to win the 6 Nations. They've been on a great run under Jones, who was gracious in defeat today. They have some very good players coming through & strength in depth.
Like any sport though, you're there to be taken down if you're on such a run...just look at Huddersfield & their 6 year unbeaten run in League 1!!! It's what makes us watch & support and why people root for the underdog.
The English can't handle success whatever the sport.
Rugby ffs
They are getting close to having two top international quality players on a lot of the positions.
Weaknesses still for me are at:
Full back - remain unsure about Brown
Centres - have good ball players and good driving and defensive players but struggle to work out which to play and none are really world class in both
Flankers - itoje and cruse seem to have more impact in positions you would expect the flankers to be than the flankers themselves sometimes and this needs to change
Or is the answer won it? You haven't mentioned exactly how far back you want to go...
It's a bit like playing football with a 5 year old and letting the ball go in the goal every time
WTF??????
All a bit pathetic really.
From the coverage I saw, both Joe Schmidt & Rory Best were very complimentary about the England team, calling them deserving champions and a great side. Perhaps ITV could have handled the presentation better, but that's your broadcaster, not an Irish, Welsh or Scottish one. And the lights weren't turned off on England, the floodlights were off, so the spotlight could better pick out the players getting their medals.
England have a very good set of players coming through and a lot of strength in depth and they deserved to win the tournament. One defeat won't do them any harm either. Jones will make sure they learn from it.
I also think Ford has been pretty poor for a while now. Farrell should switch to fly half. Kruis and Launhbury should be the lock pairing.
Grand Slam and not beating The NZ record, I don't losing a game is actually a bad thing - it's a wake up call.
We are always pleased to beat England, partly out of petty rivalry (the best type to have) and partly because England, both because of the numbers of registered players and the strength of the domestic league, should always win the 6 Nations. On a personal level of pettiness, I don't rate Jamie Heaslip, and I'm convinced the win was down to his absence.
For those complaining about the post match analysis, it is intended to analyse the match that has just been played. While there may be some kind of review of the 6 Nations as a whole, it is only ever tacked on at the end (like a video montage), with a discussion of where teams are "going forward". I'd also refer to the mood music from the England camp before the match, where the press reported that failing to win in Dublin would make winning the 6 Nations feel like losing.
The problem for England is that its domestic league is too powerful and its wealthy owners are seeking to emulate football (including the degree to which club representation is seen to be more important than the national team). The clubs, with their French compatriots, have changed a successful international club competition to increase their own involvement in the latter stages, without the inconvenience of having to win to get there, like the creation of the Champions' League, they limit access for the home nations when looking to develop their teams, and prevent players from developing/lower rank nations playing for their countries at all - and, with rugby's residency rules, some may then get parachuted in to the English set up, blocking out English players (if, as I do, people find it objectionable that NZ harvest the best talent from the South Sea nations, then it is equally objectionable for other teams).
As ever, much of the blame lies at the feet of the administrators, who are too willing to roll over for the simple reason that the wealthy clubs have financial clout. (I'd have been happier to see the Heineken Cup to continue as was, if some had left in a huff, bringing in regional teams from other European countries, including Georgia, Romania, Spain, Portugal.)
Just to add, Dublin Fire Brigade had a bit of fun at the end of it all...
Though I cannot make the Twitter link work.