Oliver Burke for £13m sounds a good deal now, when you consider how little he's played since returning to the UK from Leipzig
On paper it's decent. Problem is, he was head and shoulders our best player already, he started the season on fire and with no sell on clause and no replacement the season almost turned into relegation.
We replaced him with Lica from Porto for £300k (who never got played) and Nicolao Dumitru on loan from Napoli (who turned out to be our worst player ever - no exaggeration, I can't believe he's played so many games of football).
The money recieved was used so he didn't have to invest anymore money.
All things considered, I think the lad Fawaz was worth a punt - #teamfawaz
You're one of the most vocal anti-Aussie posters on here, but would be happy to take a punt on someone who has been a proven failure in English football?
This bloke is exactly the sort of idiot that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a football club but will undoubtedly fly through the Football League's tests.
Shocked by those of you slating the Forest fans and trying to put a positive spin on Fawaz. This bloke would be a tiny step up from Roland - less of a c$%t so just the ineptitude to contend with.
Depressing.
Haven’t seen anyone ‘slating’ the Forest fans..... a few questioning their voracity maybe.....but no one actually ‘slating’ them as you describe it.
Apart the public schoolboy calling them all islamophobic in the same way he accused critics of Sarr of being racially motivated.
Did I miss the post where someone called all Forest fans Islamophobic? There was certainly one Islamophobic comment made by a Forest fan when suggesting how Charlton fans should protest. But just one out of many comments is a tiny proportion. I'm surprised if anyone suggested they're all Islamophobic.
Also, how do you justify calling out the school someone went to? Is there an explanation for that?
Lieven de Truck's weekly report is going to be interesting this week.
Tuesday: Arrived for work. Found a new buyer. Got them to sign an NDA.
Wednesday: Showed the new buyer round the Valley. Answered his questions. Stood in the background and watched while one of his team took pictures for social media.
Thanks for the input @forest144 , much appreciated.
I didn't want to be too negative and just read it back!
It could have ended up differently at Forest, he did have bad luck at times and he had the financial clout to get us to the Prem but it never happened and after the third year there was no going back.
All things considered, I think the lad Fawaz was worth a punt - #teamfawaz
You're one of the most vocal anti-Aussie posters on here, but would be happy to take a punt on someone who has been a proven failure in English football?
I genuinely don't think he'd enter football again to make the same mistakes as he did before and after what he's said about learning from them, and also getting the right people in to run things, all things considered, I'd choose Him over the Aussie consortium all day.
Hi, I'm a Forest fan and I tried to comment yesterday when the picture was first posted to try and give you a bit of background and context to Fawaz. I don't know if there is anything to this "takeover" so excuse me if I ramble, there is a lot to talk about.
Firstly, I think the Forest fans warning you off need context of your situation. Fawaz would be an improvement on your current guy because at the very least he will pretend to care and will have good intentions for a while. That's about it though.
His naivety is malicious, and he will no doubt tell you that he's "learnt from his mistakes", but we heard it in a press release every 3 months, just after he made a blunder. He spent his final 2 years telling us he would introduce a footballing structure, CEO, whatever else but to no avail. The ones he had before that had either resigned or been sacked.
I see Hassan has been brought up, the fact he is involved would suggest he hasn't changed. The guy was a scoreboard operator at al Qadsia (his club in Kuwait), and came to Forest as an unofficial CEO (because he would fail the fit and proper persons test), he was under investigation several times but nothing came of it. He pretty much is al-Hasawi's "eyes and ears". To show his naivety and his incompetence, he would buy footballs from the local ASDA as he thought the football league were charging too much, and he would take money from the club shop to buy toilet roll.
It's all a bit doom and gloom so far but there is something I noticed in the picture, which is his cousin Omar al Hasawi. It's an utterly bizarre case, he started as the Chairman at Forest for the first 6 months, it was going really well. He put a squad together with Sean O'Driscoll in 6 months that got us on the edge of the playoffs, things were looking professional and they were showing ambition. Then, Omar disappeared. Quite literally. Nothing from the club, he just vanished and Fawaz took over as Chairman. A few years later it emerged Omar sued the family (or the other way around, I can't remember), so if he is involved, it could surely be a positive? - Fawaz' first actions were sacking O'Driscoll after a 4-2 win against Leeds and in 7th place, then appointed Alec McLeish, who left within a couple of weeks after having a load of Kuwaiti players pushed on him (and various other things) then he brought in Billy Davies after a clamor for his return on social media.
He then brought in Stuart Pearce and an Aston Villa CEO to repair the damage, Pearce was an absolute club legend here, he backed him in the market, we were sat top after 6 games and 6 months later he was sacked, and the CEO had resigned. Then came the transfer embargo and no investment years, for his final 2 and a half years the club was run on player sales (constantly lying to managers about it) and it appeared the money had dried up. Someone mentioned that he is worth over 1 billion - not a chance. He invested a lot but he earnt most of it back through player sales and the sale of the club.
In came Evangelos Marinakis of summer 2016, somebody with a dodgy history but a proven track record of running a club. The takeover was at an advanced stage and it looked like he would struggle to pass the FPP test so Fawaz panicked, sold Oliver Burke for £13m without telling anybody and the deal went kaput. Marinakis came in and employed the manager (Montainer) and a DoF (Pedro Pereira), two pretty big names at the time, but it quickly became clear there was no money available and they didn't understand the English game. The result of that was a huge batch of free foreign players that weren't up to scratch. About 3 weeks into the season Fawaz came out and said Montanier wasn't his manager (nice vote of confidence) and the whole season turned out to be an absolute mess. An American consortium came in and offered Forest fans lots of good things, new stand on the ground, Gary Rowett in as head coach with a proper structure above him, that deal was all but done, but again - the plug was pulled. Not even the American's knew why. Few months later, after just surviving relegation, Marinakis came back in and completed the takeover. It's taken us a year but we are a properly run club again.
Don't get me wrong, he doesn't have a relegation on his CV - but that was because investment in the early years. We had a decent squad and the academy saved Fawaz several times. Had he stayed longer we would have been relegated.
Fawaz' time here is a case of backing the wrong man, bad timing and incompetence. The first year or two were decent, but it turned into a disaster. Maybe he has learnt, if he does take you over that's what you would have to hope. However, I don't think he's going to invest huge amounts. I don't particularly think he has much money, and he would use the money he got from the Forest sale to fund you.
Oh, and if you have local businesses involved at your club, they won't get paid on time, you will get taken to court a lot and your players will always get paid late. Unless he introduces a structure.
Please everyone read this. We want this man nowhere near our club.
An elaborate ploy concocted by Van Truck and Duchatelet to make Usmanov jealous and for him to jump ahead of the queue with a £6.7 billion bid.
The Aussies will then react with an offer of £6.7,000,000,000.01.
Subsequent negotiations end up with the club being sold for £9 billion to a partnership of Dave Berry and Bjorn Borg but with Roland keeping the training ground and the rights to the water supply there.
Oliver Burke for £13m sounds a good deal now, when you consider how little he's played since returning to the UK from Leipzig
On paper it's decent. Problem is, he was head and shoulders our best player already, he started the season on fire and with no sell on clause and no replacement the season almost turned into relegation.
We replaced him with Lica from Porto for £300k (who never got played) and Nicolao Dumitru on loan from Napoli (who turned out to be our worst player ever - no exaggeration, I can't believe he's played so many games of football).
The money recieved was used so he didn't have to invest anymore money.
Classic Roland. Your worst ever player left for Alcorcon - the Spanish club in our owners network.
An elaborate ploy concocted by Van Truck and Duchatelet to make Usmanov jealous and for him to jump ahead of the queue with a £6.7 billion bid.
The Aussies will then react with an offer of £6.7,000,000,000.01.
Subsequent negotiations end up with the club being sold for £9 billion to a partnership of Dave Berry and Bjorn Borg but with Roland keeping the training ground and the rights to the water supply there.
Have said before, Roland is a genius.
@NapaAddick do you mind looking over those figures for us?
Thanks for the input @forest144 , much appreciated.
I didn't want to be too negative and just read it back!
It could have ended up differently at Forest, he did have bad luck at times and he had the financial clout to get us to the Prem but it never happened and after the third year there was no going back.
It looked like in the final two years things fell apart for Fawaz at NFFC.
Since he sold up and this Greek fella came in, it looks like you finished last season in 17th... A very slight improvement and then this season you're currently in 14th... an admirable improvement.
In the Fawaz years you finished as follows: 16/17 in 19th (A league above us) 15/16 in 16th (15 Points ahead of us) 14/15 in 14th (1 point behind us & our only decent year under Duchatelet) 13/14 in 13th (14 FOURTEEN points ahead of us) 12/13 in 8th (two points ahead of us) The O'driscoll sacking was just bizarre.
I think you had a rough ride with him but don't think you understand just how bad Roland is.
Since being relegated Roland continued a reign of terror when he gutted the club and left us scraping a 'top of the bottom half' 13th and then we made the play offs last season, but Roland didn't fund the strength in depth required to get us over the line.
Roland has been spiteful and destructive since he came in and that has taken us from being in the fight for Championship play offs to fighting to stay in the top half of League One... Fawaz saw he could do no more, you needed a new owner and sold you within a year.
Ours is clinging on out of spiteful delusion, like a bit of shit clinging to a clump of bum hair.
We have been trying to sell for over a year apparently and looked further than ever until this and the last rumour.
We're having to now go through the pain of ripping those bum hairs out and praying for a marginally less shit owner to bring us back to where we could and should be under any other owner... Even Fawaz
Thanks for the input @forest144 , much appreciated.
I didn't want to be too negative and just read it back!
It could have ended up differently at Forest, he did have bad luck at times and he had the financial clout to get us to the Prem but it never happened and after the third year there was no going back.
It looked like in the final two years things fell apart for Fawaz at NFFC.
Since he sold up and this Greek fella came in, it looks like you finished last season in 17th... A very slight improvement and then this season you're currently in 14th... an admirable improvement.
In the Fawaz years you finished as follows: 16/17 in 19th (A league above us) 15/16 in 16th (15 Points ahead of us) 14/15 in 14th (1 point behind us & our only decent year under Duchatelet) 13/14 in 13th (14 FOURTEEN points ahead of us) 12/13 in 8th (two points ahead of us) The O'driscoll sacking was just bizarre.
I think you had a rough ride with him but don't think you understand just how bad Roland is.
Since being relegated Roland continued a reign of terror when he gutted the club and left us scraping a 'top of the bottom half' 13th and then we made the play offs last season, but Roland didn't fund the strength in depth required to get us over the line.
Roland has been spiteful and destructive since he came in and that has taken us from being in the fight for Championship play offs to fighting to stay in the top half of League One... Fawaz saw he could do no more, you needed a new owner and sold you within a year.
Ours is clinging on out of spiteful delusion, like a bit of shit clinging to a clump of bum hair.
We have been trying to sell for over a year apparently and looked further than ever until this and the last rumour.
We're having to now go through the pain of ripping those bum hairs out and praying for a marginally less shit owner to bring us back to where we could and should be under any other owner... Even Fawaz
thats how i see it ...and compliments on the imagery,simile and metaphor
Thanks for the input @forest144 , much appreciated.
I didn't want to be too negative and just read it back!
It could have ended up differently at Forest, he did have bad luck at times and he had the financial clout to get us to the Prem but it never happened and after the third year there was no going back.
It looked like in the final two years things fell apart for Fawaz at NFFC.
Since he sold up and this Greek fella came in, it looks like you finished last season in 17th... A very slight improvement and then this season you're currently in 14th... an admirable improvement.
In the Fawaz years you finished as follows: 16/17 in 19th (A league above us) 15/16 in 16th (15 Points ahead of us) 14/15 in 14th (1 point behind us & our only decent year under Duchatelet) 13/14 in 13th (14 FOURTEEN points ahead of us) 12/13 in 8th (two points ahead of us) The O'driscoll sacking was just bizarre.
I think you had a rough ride with him but don't think you understand just how bad Roland is.
Since being relegated Roland continued a reign of terror when he gutted the club and left us scraping a 'top of the bottom half' 13th and then we made the play offs last season, but Roland didn't fund the strength in depth required to get us over the line.
Roland has been spiteful and destructive since he came in and that has taken us from being in the fight for Championship play offs to fighting to stay in the top half of League One... Fawaz saw he could do no more, you needed a new owner and sold you within a year.
Ours is clinging on out of spiteful delusion, like a bit of shit clinging to a clump of bum hair.
We have been trying to sell for over a year apparently and looked further than ever until this and the last rumour.
We're having to now go through the pain of ripping those bum hairs out and praying for a marginally less shit owner to bring us back to where we could and should be under any other owner... Even Fawaz
Speak for yourself. Personally I think we need much better than "a marginally less shit owner" to get us where we should be, on the pitch and off it.
Have we really fallen so low, as supporters, that we think that all we're entitled to wish for is someone who we'll hate slightly less than Roland and who'll oversee a slightly slower rate of stagnation.
Not me. I want an owner who understands English football clubs, understands English football supporters and understands the various components that are required to ensure a successful team on the pitch and, off the pitch, a thriving community asset that supporters are fully engaged with. Nothing less will do, and this bloke falls way short of that requirement.
I have spent the last few years praying for Douchbag to sell our club. So. Will the new owners whoever they may be be as bad as Roland. I have no idea and until somebody does buy us none of us know the answer. All I know is that Douchbag has been the worst owner this club has ever had imo. I for one will be prepared to give any new owner a chance to prove themselves and be grateful that Roland has left the building.
Thanks for the input @forest144 , much appreciated.
I didn't want to be too negative and just read it back!
It could have ended up differently at Forest, he did have bad luck at times and he had the financial clout to get us to the Prem but it never happened and after the third year there was no going back.
It looked like in the final two years things fell apart for Fawaz at NFFC.
Since he sold up and this Greek fella came in, it looks like you finished last season in 17th... A very slight improvement and then this season you're currently in 14th... an admirable improvement.
In the Fawaz years you finished as follows: 16/17 in 19th (A league above us) 15/16 in 16th (15 Points ahead of us) 14/15 in 14th (1 point behind us & our only decent year under Duchatelet) 13/14 in 13th (14 FOURTEEN points ahead of us) 12/13 in 8th (two points ahead of us) The O'driscoll sacking was just bizarre.
I think you had a rough ride with him but don't think you understand just how bad Roland is.
Since being relegated Roland continued a reign of terror when he gutted the club and left us scraping a 'top of the bottom half' 13th and then we made the play offs last season, but Roland didn't fund the strength in depth required to get us over the line.
Roland has been spiteful and destructive since he came in and that has taken us from being in the fight for Championship play offs to fighting to stay in the top half of League One... Fawaz saw he could do no more, you needed a new owner and sold you within a year.
Ours is clinging on out of spiteful delusion, like a bit of shit clinging to a clump of bum hair.
We have been trying to sell for over a year apparently and looked further than ever until this and the last rumour.
We're having to now go through the pain of ripping those bum hairs out and praying for a marginally less shit owner to bring us back to where we could and should be under any other owner... Even Fawaz
I know how bad Roland is, I said that in my opening statement - that at least Fawaz occasionally gave a shit and cared, which Roland doesn't appear to do.
The damage Fawaz did was mostly in the background. Skeleton backroom staff and players with huge, inflated wages just miraculously dissapearing (see Matty Fryatt, Jack Hobbs, many more). He also didn't sell the club on the cheap. He spent a long time trying to sell it, three deals fell through and he only really got out because there were lots of buyers queuing up. There was a Guardian article on Fawaz' demands when selling, he wanted to stay on as Chairman and recieve a salary of over £1m for doing so.
He will probably be an improvement, but how much? Especially if he has run out of money. Football to him is a hobby and a way to keep away from the family business.
All I know is that Douchbag has been the worst owner this club has ever had imo.
In the time you’ve supported Charlton, one owner took the club to the brink of bankruptcy and another took the club to Selhurst...and another, or possibly one of those two, was even supposedly thinking about taking the club to Milton Keynes...
Perhaps this is RD idea and got Lieven De Turck to show him around to get this publicity just so he can hurry the Aussies up, well, with RD history, anything is possible.
All I know is that Douchbag has been the worst owner this club has ever had imo.
In the time you’ve supported Charlton, one owner took the club to the brink of bankruptcy and another took the club to Selhurst...and another, or possibly one of those two, was even supposedly thinking about taking the club to Milton Keynes...
The two previous owners you are referring to both run out of money and although moving to sellhurst was unaccountable to a lot of fans including myself they both wanted what was best for Charlton.
Douchbag on the other hand has not run out of money,far from it. What he has been doing to our club over the past couple of years makes him the worse owner imo.
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We replaced him with Lica from Porto for £300k (who never got played) and Nicolao Dumitru on loan from Napoli (who turned out to be our worst player ever - no exaggeration, I can't believe he's played so many games of football).
The money recieved was used so he didn't have to invest anymore money.
If you can keep watch, photo and download onto social media anyone we wouldn't want as owner.
This would be much appreciated.
Also, how do you justify calling out the school someone went to? Is there an explanation for that?
Tuesday: Arrived for work. Found a new buyer. Got them to sign an NDA.
Wednesday: Showed the new buyer round the Valley. Answered his questions. Stood in the background and watched while one of his team took pictures for social media.
Thursday: Started looking for another new buyer.
What if it's actually Omar buying?
It could have ended up differently at Forest, he did have bad luck at times and he had the financial clout to get us to the Prem but it never happened and after the third year there was no going back.
The Aussies will then react with an offer of £6.7,000,000,000.01.
Subsequent negotiations end up with the club being sold for £9 billion to a partnership of Dave Berry and Bjorn Borg but with Roland keeping the training ground and the rights to the water supply there.
Have said before, Roland is a genius.
Since he sold up and this Greek fella came in, it looks like you finished last season in 17th... A very slight improvement and then this season you're currently in 14th... an admirable improvement.
In the Fawaz years you finished as follows:
16/17 in 19th (A league above us)
15/16 in 16th (15 Points ahead of us)
14/15 in 14th (1 point behind us & our only decent year under Duchatelet)
13/14 in 13th (14 FOURTEEN points ahead of us)
12/13 in 8th (two points ahead of us) The O'driscoll sacking was just bizarre.
I think you had a rough ride with him but don't think you understand just how bad Roland is.
Since being relegated Roland continued a reign of terror when he gutted the club and left us scraping a 'top of the bottom half' 13th and then we made the play offs last season, but Roland didn't fund the strength in depth required to get us over the line.
Roland has been spiteful and destructive since he came in and that has taken us from being in the fight for Championship play offs to fighting to stay in the top half of League One... Fawaz saw he could do no more, you needed a new owner and sold you within a year.
Ours is clinging on out of spiteful delusion, like a bit of shit clinging to a clump of bum hair.
We have been trying to sell for over a year apparently and looked further than ever until this and the last rumour.
We're having to now go through the pain of ripping those bum hairs out and praying for a marginally less shit owner to bring us back to where we could and should be under any other owner... Even Fawaz
Have we really fallen so low, as supporters, that we think that all we're entitled to wish for is someone who we'll hate slightly less than Roland and who'll oversee a slightly slower rate of stagnation.
Not me. I want an owner who understands English football clubs, understands English football supporters and understands the various components that are required to ensure a successful team on the pitch and, off the pitch, a thriving community asset that supporters are fully engaged with. Nothing less will do, and this bloke falls way short of that requirement.
“I’m not going to just sell to anybody, because I care about the club’. Those were his words. He didn’t have to say that."
11 Sept 2018
12 Sept 2018
Well thats going well!
I understand absolute f*ck all about business and the buying and selling of football clubs
The only thing I know of is that Roland's a twat.
The question is;
Is the new apparent person of interest that may end up becoming our new owner a good or a bad thing?
The bloke that owned notts forest
Lively Turkey (or whatever his name is) "Why not sell the club to Owen Oyston or Massimo Cellini? Hang on here's Fawaz Al-Hasawi!"
So.
Will the new owners whoever they may be be as bad as Roland.
I have no idea and until somebody does buy us none of us know the answer.
All I know is that Douchbag has been the worst owner this club has ever had imo.
I for one will be prepared to give any new owner a chance to prove themselves and be grateful that Roland has left the building.
The damage Fawaz did was mostly in the background. Skeleton backroom staff and players with huge, inflated wages just miraculously dissapearing (see Matty Fryatt, Jack Hobbs, many more). He also didn't sell the club on the cheap. He spent a long time trying to sell it, three deals fell through and he only really got out because there were lots of buyers queuing up. There was a Guardian article on Fawaz' demands when selling, he wanted to stay on as Chairman and recieve a salary of over £1m for doing so.
He will probably be an improvement, but how much? Especially if he has run out of money. Football to him is a hobby and a way to keep away from the family business.
Douchbag on the other hand has not run out of money,far from it.
What he has been doing to our club over the past couple of years makes him the worse owner imo.