The bloke says none of the Aussies involved has enough money to buy the club. If Muir is involved then that's obviously wrong and casts doubt on the rest of his post.
Agree. Also, while he is articulate, I don't quite understand what he means in his first sentence, does he mean that he worked for the respective football associations of both countries? At the same time? In what capacity? And while this might be reaching for a can of wriggly things, why does he choose to post only on the other site, why not this one too, where it is obvious that at least one poster is close to the bid? Something doesn't smell right about that post, even if it potentially raises alarm bells.
It's interesting to see how much reliability is being assumed of one, unnamed source, giving a view on an unnamed site, about a conversation with another unnamed person. Especially one that includes the line "the investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club".
Maybe the poster is ignoring the fact that is literally the point of having multiple shareholders; and is the model behind just about every public company in the world. And the fact that one of the shareholders is significantly more wealthy than Roland Duchatelet.
As a post that sheds more heat than light on the issue, I would score it about a nine on the internationally-adopted Doucher Scale.
The bloke says none of the Aussies involved has enough money to buy the club. If Muir is involved then that's obviously wrong and casts doubt on the rest of his post.
Not really as Muir has stated he only wants to put in about 10 % of the money. Unless he changes his mind the rest don't have the money.
Right, but what he says is:
The investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club.
Roland is the problem, as Dalman and every other bid is finding.
It's not "Aussie bashing", and what I find astonishing is people not wanting to discuss the pros end cons of any potential new owner, but just being content on the present one going. Especialy after the last two..
We can discuss pros and cons of potential owners for eternity but we as fans have no say in who buys the club and only limited say in how a club is run. Bring on the Bundesliga model where the clubs members still hold a majority of voting rights.
As an occasional reader on this forum, the outsider impression is there's a contingent who consistently bash the Aussie bid with sweeping statements based on no evidence what so ever, or taking the word of Roland and his lackies as gospel.
Is there?
Er. yeah.
Sorry mate, completely missed them. I know there was someone post a oneliner on this thread a couple of days ago about RD now going in the right direction 're. Bowyer and a couple of singing, or something, but other than that I get the feeling that the dislike and distrust in RD and everyone associated with him was pretty much 100%
Sorry mate, you've must've misread what I wrote. I said there's a contingent who believe the spin Roland and lackies say is true, especially when it suits their unfounded argument. I said nothing about anyone believing RD is going in right direction.
It's interesting to see how much reliability is being assumed of one, unnamed source, giving a view on an unnamed site, about a conversation with another unnamed person. Especially one that includes the line "the investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club".
Maybe the poster is ignoring the fact that is literally the point of having multiple shareholders; and is the model behind just about every public company in the world. And the fact that one of the shareholders is significantly more wealthy than Roland Duchatelet.
As a post that sheds more heat than light on the issue, I would score it about a nine on the internationally-adopted Doucher Scale.
I've only seen one post appearing to take that quote as gospel, but at the end of the day, most of us don't even know each other's real names, let alone if they're good to their word. So by the same logic, why take any of the 'itk' posters as reliable sources? Gut feelings of the other users and track records of the 'itkers' I spose but, because one person believes that one buyer wont be as safe bet as another, their opinion is still coming from a good place I think
It's interesting to see how much reliability is being assumed of one, unnamed source, giving a view on an unnamed site, about a conversation with another unnamed person. Especially one that includes the line "the investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club".
Maybe the poster is ignoring the fact that is literally the point of having multiple shareholders; and is the model behind just about every public company in the world. And the fact that one of the shareholders is significantly more wealthy than Roland Duchatelet.
As a post that sheds more heat than light on the issue, I would score it about a nine on the internationally-adopted Doucher Scale.
I've only seen one post appearing to take that quote as gospel, but at the end of the day, most of us don't even know each other's real names, let alone if they're good to their word. So by the same logic, why take any of the 'itk' posters as reliable sources? Gut feelings of the other users and track records of the 'itkers' I spose but, because one person believes that one buyer wont be as safe bet as another, their opinion is still coming from a good place I think
I am just surprised that there seems to be a lot of people treating this post as significant or important, despite it just being a precis of various bits of information and conjecture that have been known for months or years; except for the one bit that's demonstrably wrong.
Some people share sourced information - that tends to be both more reliable and more interesting than other posts which are unsourced, add no unknown information and contain information that's wrong.
My guess - and, of course, it's only a guess - is that there are people that want to dislike the Aussies (presumably because Roland has failed to sell to them) and therefore enjoy a post that seems to criticise them.
Roland is the problem, as Dalman and every other bid is finding.
It's not "Aussie bashing", and what I find astonishing is people not wanting to discuss the pros end cons of any potential new owner, but just being content on the present one going. Especialy after the last two..
Its not people ‘not wanting’ to discuss it, it’s the fact that the whole thing has been covered over and over again, but the same questions keep being asked because, I can only assume, people to read the replies.
Not totally falling in line with the version of events you present, is not the same thing as not reading replies though, is it?
As an example, you keep telling us the sale price is totally covered and they are only looking for investors for ongoing costs, whereas others dispute that and have been told from other sources that the Aussies were still seeking investors for the sale price whilst papers were being lodged with the EFL.
Roland is the problem, as Dalman and every other bid is finding.
It's not "Aussie bashing", and what I find astonishing is people not wanting to discuss the pros end cons of any potential new owner, but just being content on the present one going. Especialy after the last two..
We can discuss pros and cons of potential owners for eternity but we as fans have no say in who buys the club and only limited say in how a club is run. Bring on the Bundesliga model where the clubs members still hold a majority of voting rights.
As an occasional reader on this forum, the outsider impression is there's a contingent who consistently bash the Aussie bid with sweeping statements based on no evidence what so ever, or taking the word of Roland and his lackies as gospel.
Is there?
Er. yeah.
Sorry mate, completely missed them. I know there was someone post a oneliner on this thread a couple of days ago about RD now going in the right direction 're. Bowyer and a couple of singing, or something, but other than that I get the feeling that the dislike and distrust in RD and everyone associated with him was pretty much 100%
Sorry mate, you've must've misread what I wrote. I said there's a contingent who believe the spin Roland and lackies say is true, especially when it suits their unfounded argument. I said nothing about anyone believing RD is going in right direction.
Sorry mate, I know what you meant, but my point was that the only thing I've seen on here regarding anything remotely to do with painting RD in a good light, whether it's believing what him or his lackies say, or commenting on them taking the club in the right direction etc etc, was the post I mentioned from a couple of days ago, and I definitely don't think there's a contingent of people who believe them. After every statement, radio interview, or fan's forum, they seem to be getting pelters from all angles and picked apart within hours.
The membership thing makes sense to me, I'm a crowdfunding investor in my bank for example, and I do feel like I've got a real stake in how the bank operates and behaves. If they do ever get this over the line, and bring that kind of model in, then sounds good to me.
1874, one of the greatest ever Britons born, Winston Churchill.
My first serious post for years ! Between 39-45 I concur but lots of working class folk didn't want him in peace time. And many London port Authority workers didn't want to transport his body up the Thames in Feb 65. I did a school project on him when young and I don't live that far from Chartwell, Westerham and being a NT member enjoy going there a few times a year. A very interesting strong character who was a man of his times and rich upbringing. He was flawed in many ways but was the main individual who made sure we didn't go the same way as France, Holland, Poland etc. Oh yes.
My Old Man was a copper and did duty at Chruchill's lying-in-state. He couldn't believe how many people queued up for hours only to spit in front of his coffin. All Eastenders.
It's interesting to see how much reliability is being assumed of one, unnamed source, giving a view on an unnamed site, about a conversation with another unnamed person. Especially one that includes the line "the investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club".
Maybe the poster is ignoring the fact that is literally the point of having multiple shareholders; and is the model behind just about every public company in the world. And the fact that one of the shareholders is significantly more wealthy than Roland Duchatelet.
As a post that sheds more heat than light on the issue, I would score it about a nine on the internationally-adopted Doucher Scale.
I've only seen one post appearing to take that quote as gospel, but at the end of the day, most of us don't even know each other's real names, let alone if they're good to their word. So by the same logic, why take any of the 'itk' posters as reliable sources? Gut feelings of the other users and track records of the 'itkers' I spose but, because one person believes that one buyer wont be as safe bet as another, their opinion is still coming from a good place I think
I am just surprised that there seems to be a lot of people treating this post as significant or important, despite it just being a precis of various bits of information and conjecture that have been known for months or years; except for the one bit that's demonstrably wrong.
Some people share sourced information - that tends to be both more reliable and more interesting than other posts which are unsourced, add no unknown information and contain information that's wrong.
My guess - and, of course, it's only a guess - is that there are people that want to dislike the Aussies (presumably because Roland has failed to sell to them) and therefore enjoy a post that seems to criticise them.
If you have a theory about something and something is said, or happens, that kind of backs that theory up, then you're gonna feel vindicated in some way, surely. The "Like" button doesn't necessarily mean "Like", it can also mean "I agree", or "That's what I was gonna say", or "Yeah, I didn't see it that way".
Also, like I said before, people who were posing genuine questions about the Aussies in the early days, were getting largely scoffed at from some quarters quit a bit, with no let up.
Response to De Turck / Duchatelet’s claims on the ex-directors’ loans and the price not changing. It’s a bit dry and technical but I still felt their version needed challenging.
It's interesting to see how much reliability is being assumed of one, unnamed source, giving a view on an unnamed site, about a conversation with another unnamed person. Especially one that includes the line "the investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club".
Maybe the poster is ignoring the fact that is literally the point of having multiple shareholders; and is the model behind just about every public company in the world. And the fact that one of the shareholders is significantly more wealthy than Roland Duchatelet.
As a post that sheds more heat than light on the issue, I would score it about a nine on the internationally-adopted Doucher Scale.
I've only seen one post appearing to take that quote as gospel, but at the end of the day, most of us don't even know each other's real names, let alone if they're good to their word. So by the same logic, why take any of the 'itk' posters as reliable sources? Gut feelings of the other users and track records of the 'itkers' I spose but, because one person believes that one buyer wont be as safe bet as another, their opinion is still coming from a good place I think
I am just surprised that there seems to be a lot of people treating this post as significant or important, despite it just being a precis of various bits of information and conjecture that have been known for months or years; except for the one bit that's demonstrably wrong.
Some people share sourced information - that tends to be both more reliable and more interesting than other posts which are unsourced, add no unknown information and contain information that's wrong.
My guess - and, of course, it's only a guess - is that there are people that want to dislike the Aussies (presumably because Roland has failed to sell to them) and therefore enjoy a post that seems to criticise them.
If you have a theory about something and something is said, or happens, that kind of backs that theory up, then you're gonna feel vindicated in some way, surely. The "Like" button doesn't necessarily mean "Like", it can also mean "I agree", or "That's what I was gonna say", or "Yeah, I didn't see it that way".
Also, like I said before, people who were posing genuine questions about the Aussies in the early days, were getting largely scoffed at from some quarters quit a bit, with no let up.
Someone even suggested last week that questioning the Aussie bid was bullying JamesSeed!!!
1874, one of the greatest ever Britons born, Winston Churchill.
My first serious post for years ! Between 39-45 I concur but lots of working class folk didn't want him in peace time. And many London port Authority workers didn't want to transport his body up the Thames in Feb 65. I did a school project on him when young and I don't live that far from Chartwell, Westerham and being a NT member enjoy going there a few times a year. A very interesting strong character who was a man of his times and rich upbringing. He was flawed in many ways but was the main individual who made sure we didn't go the same way as France, Holland, Poland etc. Oh yes.
My Old Man was a copper and did duty at Chruchill's lying-in-state. He couldn't believe how many people queued up for hours only to spit in front of his coffin. All Eastenders.
It's interesting to see how much reliability is being assumed of one, unnamed source, giving a view on an unnamed site, about a conversation with another unnamed person. Especially one that includes the line "the investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club".
Maybe the poster is ignoring the fact that is literally the point of having multiple shareholders; and is the model behind just about every public company in the world. And the fact that one of the shareholders is significantly more wealthy than Roland Duchatelet.
As a post that sheds more heat than light on the issue, I would score it about a nine on the internationally-adopted Doucher Scale.
I've only seen one post appearing to take that quote as gospel, but at the end of the day, most of us don't even know each other's real names, let alone if they're good to their word. So by the same logic, why take any of the 'itk' posters as reliable sources? Gut feelings of the other users and track records of the 'itkers' I spose but, because one person believes that one buyer wont be as safe bet as another, their opinion is still coming from a good place I think
I am just surprised that there seems to be a lot of people treating this post as significant or important, despite it just being a precis of various bits of information and conjecture that have been known for months or years; except for the one bit that's demonstrably wrong.
Some people share sourced information - that tends to be both more reliable and more interesting than other posts which are unsourced, add no unknown information and contain information that's wrong.
My guess - and, of course, it's only a guess - is that there are people that want to dislike the Aussies (presumably because Roland has failed to sell to them) and therefore enjoy a post that seems to criticise them.
The post stacks up though. There's been much talk around their lack of funds. The hanging about bit does also. They've nowhere else to go because nobody else will entertain them. Of course they can say that Charlton were the only club in their minds that fits the bill and they're hanging in there to somehow come to our rescue. But I'd take all that with a large pinch of bollox.
Response to De Turck / Duchatelet’s claims on the ex-directors’ loans and the price not changing. It’s a bit dry and technical but I still felt their version needed challenging.
It's interesting to see how much reliability is being assumed of one, unnamed source, giving a view on an unnamed site, about a conversation with another unnamed person. Especially one that includes the line "the investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club".
Maybe the poster is ignoring the fact that is literally the point of having multiple shareholders; and is the model behind just about every public company in the world. And the fact that one of the shareholders is significantly more wealthy than Roland Duchatelet.
As a post that sheds more heat than light on the issue, I would score it about a nine on the internationally-adopted Doucher Scale.
I've only seen one post appearing to take that quote as gospel, but at the end of the day, most of us don't even know each other's real names, let alone if they're good to their word. So by the same logic, why take any of the 'itk' posters as reliable sources? Gut feelings of the other users and track records of the 'itkers' I spose but, because one person believes that one buyer wont be as safe bet as another, their opinion is still coming from a good place I think
I am just surprised that there seems to be a lot of people treating this post as significant or important, despite it just being a precis of various bits of information and conjecture that have been known for months or years; except for the one bit that's demonstrably wrong.
Some people share sourced information - that tends to be both more reliable and more interesting than other posts which are unsourced, add no unknown information and contain information that's wrong.
My guess - and, of course, it's only a guess - is that there are people that want to dislike the Aussies (presumably because Roland has failed to sell to them) and therefore enjoy a post that seems to criticise them.
The post stacks up though. There's been much talk around their lack of funds. The hanging about bit does also. They've nowhere else to go because nobody else will entertain them. Of course they can say that Charlton were the only club in their minds that fits the bill and they're hanging in there to somehow come to our rescue. But I'd take all that with a large pinch of bollox.
They must have a f***ing impressive collect of scarves, that's all I can say
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Maybe the poster is ignoring the fact that is literally the point of having multiple shareholders; and is the model behind just about every public company in the world. And the fact that one of the shareholders is significantly more wealthy than Roland Duchatelet.
As a post that sheds more heat than light on the issue, I would score it about a nine on the internationally-adopted Doucher Scale.
The investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club.
That is clearly not the case.
Some people share sourced information - that tends to be both more reliable and more interesting than other posts which are unsourced, add no unknown information and contain information that's wrong.
My guess - and, of course, it's only a guess - is that there are people that want to dislike the Aussies (presumably because Roland has failed to sell to them) and therefore enjoy a post that seems to criticise them.
As an example, you keep telling us the sale price is totally covered and they are only looking for investors for ongoing costs, whereas others dispute that and have been told from other sources that the Aussies were still seeking investors for the sale price whilst papers were being lodged with the EFL.
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Also, like I said before, people who were posing genuine questions about the Aussies in the early days, were getting largely scoffed at from some quarters quit a bit, with no let up.
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There's been much talk around their lack of funds.
The hanging about bit does also. They've nowhere else to go because nobody else will entertain them.
Of course they can say that Charlton were the only club in their minds that fits the bill and they're hanging in there to somehow come to our rescue.
But I'd take all that with a large pinch of bollox.