The bloke says none of the Aussies involved has enough money to buy the club. If Muir is involved then that's obviously wrong and casts doubt on the rest of his post.
Not really as Muir has stated he only wants to put in about 10 % of the money. Unless he changes his mind the rest don't have the money.
Right, but what he says is:
The investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club.
That is clearly not the case.
I think he’s mixing it up with the post sale model.
You may think that, many people don't.
And a good afternoon to you too Stu!
How many people do you reckon, when Muir is part of the consortium, and he’s apparently richer than Roland? The ‘post sale strategy’ is multiple investors ‘none of whom are rich enough to buy the club on their own’. I’m pretty sure that is what he’s confusing it with. But if I’m wrong, I’m wrong. 👍
I've believed all along that the Aussies don't have the cash. Muir could obviously afford to buy Charlton on his own but he has stated he only wants to invest a small amount. Without Muir putting up a substantial amount the rest of the consortium just don't have the fund. All the Aussies are achieving I'm my opinion is confusing the whole situation. I would rather they walk and let someone else have a go at buying us.
The Aussies didn’t stop Dalman buying the club. He still might.
Good I hope he does. Because the Aussies certainly won't. Feel free to correct me if they do.
I don’t need to correct you Mr Dublin, I agree with you to the extent that I think they’re only about 25% likely to buy the club.
Mr.Dublin ?
Blackpool is the meaning of Dublin.
Thank you. Learn something new every day on here. Along with how to wipe my arse that's the 2nd thing today.
wetwipe method the best, ignore the rest.
I get mine from the baby section in Wilkos, only 70p
Terrible for the environment so, for 70 pence, you can wind the tree huggers up an all
I've believed all along that the Aussies don't have the cash. Muir could obviously afford to buy Charlton on his own but he has stated he only wants to invest a small amount. Without Muir putting up a substantial amount the rest of the consortium just don't have the fund. All the Aussies are achieving I'm my opinion is confusing the whole situation. I would rather they walk and let someone else have a go at buying us.
The Aussies didn’t stop Dalman buying the club. He still might.
Good I hope he does. Because the Aussies certainly won't. Feel free to correct me if they do.
I don’t need to correct you Mr Dublin, I agree with you to the extent that I think they’re only about 25% likely to buy the club.
Mr.Dublin ?
Dublin (‘Dubh linn’) = Black pool
I think Dubh is pronounced with a ‘v’, and sounds rather beautiful and romantic, whereas Blackpool just sounds a bid ordinary.
I've believed all along that the Aussies don't have the cash. Muir could obviously afford to buy Charlton on his own but he has stated he only wants to invest a small amount. Without Muir putting up a substantial amount the rest of the consortium just don't have the fund. All the Aussies are achieving I'm my opinion is confusing the whole situation. I would rather they walk and let someone else have a go at buying us.
The Aussies didn’t stop Dalman buying the club. He still might.
Good I hope he does. Because the Aussies certainly won't. Feel free to correct me if they do.
I don’t need to correct you Mr Dublin, I agree with you to the extent that I think they’re only about 25% likely to buy the club.
Mr.Dublin ?
Dublin (‘Dubh linn’) = Black pool
I think Dubh is pronounced with a ‘v’, and sounds rather beautiful and romantic, whereas Blackpool just sounds a bid ordinary.
Ordinary a. Fcuk it how can I change my username to Dubh pronounced with a V
The bloke says none of the Aussies involved has enough money to buy the club. If Muir is involved then that's obviously wrong and casts doubt on the rest of his post.
Yeah but we keep also being told that it don't matter what one is worth, he might only want to invest £1m
Roland is the problem, as Dalman and every other bid is finding.
It's not "Aussie bashing", and what I find astonishing is people not wanting to discuss the pros end cons of any potential new owner, but just being content on the present one going. Especialy after the last two..
Its not people ‘not wanting’ to discuss it, it’s the fact that the whole thing has been covered over and over again, but the same questions keep being asked because, I can only assume, people to read the replies.
Not totally falling in line with the version of events you present, is not the same thing as not reading replies though, is it?
As an example, you keep telling us the sale price is totally covered and they are only looking for investors for ongoing costs, whereas others dispute that and have been told from other sources that the Aussies were still seeking investors for the sale price whilst papers were being lodged with the EFL.
Yes, but I’ve said that myself in the past, quite a few times. I suspect (guessing) that they lost a major investor, possibly when lawyers unearthed some info, or because that investor learned how much money the club loses, or for any number of other reasons, and pulled out, meaning NLA was quite right when he said they haven’t got the dough, because they hadn’t. This scenario may have happened more than once. I’ve never claimed that they’ve always had the dough, ready to go.
In fact technically NLA is always right because I don’t think they have a bank account with dough in it, because these investors don’t operate like that. I suspect when the £33m was agreed they all got ready to transfer the dough, but then the price went up, meaning they’re back to square one. This may also affect paperwork for the EFL @AFKABartram but just guessing.
Have also said a couple of time’s that I had a slight preference for Dalman over the Aussies, in that it might be more simple with one owner, and because of his reputation in football.
Have passed on Henry’s desire for Aussies to be more open.
I’ll.say one thing though. I’ve generally been quite open minded with regards the Aussies approach (still am to a degree as I don’t think I know enough details).
However you have an ‘in’ and regular contact with a key member of this group. You gain more information from them than it seems anyone else and whether intentionally or unintentionally are seen as their public voice into the Charlton community.
If in your unique position you say that you would actually favour a rival group / individual, that is indeed quite telling and effectively gives credibility to others (who are not as well connected as you) concerns and fears in relation to the Aussie bid.
Or else it shows how little I really know ;-)
One thing I will say about the Aussies, whether they have the dough or not, they’re good sorts. Sports mad, enthusiastic and honest. In the world of football ownership those qualities are not to be dismissed lightly.
And I should add, Dalman was being talked about as the ultimate dream owner at one time, one who was going to sweep the club off its feet, freeing us from the Roland yoke.
I've believed all along that the Aussies don't have the cash. Muir could obviously afford to buy Charlton on his own but he has stated he only wants to invest a small amount. Without Muir putting up a substantial amount the rest of the consortium just don't have the fund. All the Aussies are achieving I'm my opinion is confusing the whole situation. I would rather they walk and let someone else have a go at buying us.
The Aussies didn’t stop Dalman buying the club. He still might.
Good I hope he does. Because the Aussies certainly won't. Feel free to correct me if they do.
I don’t need to correct you Mr Dublin, I agree with you to the extent that I think they’re only about 25% likely to buy the club.
Mr.Dublin ?
Dublin (‘Dubh linn’) = Black pool
I think Dubh is pronounced with a ‘v’, and sounds rather beautiful and romantic, whereas Blackpool just sounds a bid ordinary.
Ordinary a. Fcuk it how can I change my username to Dubh pronounced with a Best
Bet you wish you had been in Dublin in 72 and not Blackpool 😀
Roland is the problem, as Dalman and every other bid is finding.
It's not "Aussie bashing", and what I find astonishing is people not wanting to discuss the pros end cons of any potential new owner, but just being content on the present one going. Especialy after the last two..
Its not people ‘not wanting’ to discuss it, it’s the fact that the whole thing has been covered over and over again, but the same questions keep being asked because, I can only assume, people to read the replies.
Not totally falling in line with the version of events you present, is not the same thing as not reading replies though, is it?
As an example, you keep telling us the sale price is totally covered and they are only looking for investors for ongoing costs, whereas others dispute that and have been told from other sources that the Aussies were still seeking investors for the sale price whilst papers were being lodged with the EFL.
Yes, but I’ve said that myself in the past, quite a few times. I suspect (guessing) that they lost a major investor, possibly when lawyers unearthed some info, or because that investor learned how much money the club loses, or for any number of other reasons, and pulled out, meaning NLA was quite right when he said they haven’t got the dough, because they hadn’t. This scenario may have happened more than once. I’ve never claimed that they’ve always had the dough, ready to go.
In fact technically NLA is always right because I don’t think they have a bank account with dough in it, because these investors don’t operate like that. I suspect when the £33m was agreed they all got ready to transfer the dough, but then the price went up, meaning they’re back to square one. This may also affect paperwork for the EFL @AFKABartram but just guessing.
Have also said a couple of time’s that I had a slight preference for Dalman over the Aussies, in that it might be more simple with one owner, and because of his reputation in football.
Have passed on Henry’s desire for Aussies to be more open.
I’ll.say one thing though. I’ve generally been quite open minded with regards the Aussies approach (still am to a degree as I don’t think I know enough details).
However you have an ‘in’ and regular contact with a key member of this group. You gain more information from them than it seems anyone else and whether intentionally or unintentionally are seen as their public voice into the Charlton community.
If in your unique position you say that you would actually favour a rival group / individual, that is indeed quite telling and effectively gives credibility to others (who are not as well connected as you) concerns and fears in relation to the Aussie bid.
Or else it shows how little I really know ;-)
One thing I will say about the Aussies, whether they have the dough or not, they’re good sorts. Sports mad, enthusiastic and honest. In the world of football ownership those qualities are not to be dismissed lightly.
I've believed all along that the Aussies don't have the cash. Muir could obviously afford to buy Charlton on his own but he has stated he only wants to invest a small amount. Without Muir putting up a substantial amount the rest of the consortium just don't have the fund. All the Aussies are achieving I'm my opinion is confusing the whole situation. I would rather they walk and let someone else have a go at buying us.
The Aussies didn’t stop Dalman buying the club. He still might.
Good I hope he does. Because the Aussies certainly won't. Feel free to correct me if they do.
I don’t need to correct you Mr Dublin, I agree with you to the extent that I think they’re only about 25% likely to buy the club.
Mr.Dublin ?
Dublin (‘Dubh linn’) = Black pool
I think Dubh is pronounced with a ‘v’, and sounds rather beautiful and romantic, whereas Blackpool just sounds a bid ordinary.
Ordinary a. Fcuk it how can I change my username to Dubh pronounced with a Best
Bet you wish you had been in Dublin in 72 and not Blackpool 😀
Nah. Can't change my past and even if I could I wouldn't. As you have known me for the best part of 50 years we might not have even met.
Just seen the following on the other site written by someone called addicknz:
I dont post that often, and have mentioned before that I worked for both Australian and NZ Football a few years back. I have been in contact with them again for work reasons and happened to have a conversation about the Aussies trying to buy the Addicks.
It was explained to me that the group responsible for the purchase are showing an interest in a number of clubs globally of which Charlton is just one. They have never had any cash for the purchase and use negotiations with a football club as leverage to generate investors' interest. As things stand currently they have not managed to secure enough investment/interest to purchase a football club. Charlton has engaged with the Aussies more than any of their previous attempts and consequently they feel that they have a better chance of a purchase.
However there is still a massive hole in the funds available to purchase and it is thought unlikely that this will change. The investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club. There are also questions over the ability to continue to support the club financially, post purchase (there are no plans to look for additional funds once sale is complete).
There is a Utopian view that once the sale is complete, the club will be launch pad for Aussie players trying to make it in the UK. The impact of this strategy on both Academy and player purchase is untested, but the concerns over ongoing finance after point of sale suggest that this has also has a cost saving approach (a bit like RD and his 'network' a while back).
The person I spoke with has no axe to grind and I dont doubt his info, but whether it is common knowledge or poetic license I am unsure.
Who knows if any of this is correct, but I wouldn't be surprised. The one thing that definitely seems inaccurate, is that Muir is definitely wealthy enough to purchase Charlton alone. The issue of course is that he doesn't want to, so it's not a game changer whether he has the funds or not.
I thought it was Bexley Boy from the other site....
don't get cocky sonny - you've scooped one transfer recently but i'll be back - once i'm back on dry land i'll be back bigger and better than ever - rifling off transfer scoops like an automatic machine gun - my vast network of sources are having some well earned down time ready for a big month. As for the takeover - where's all the rich arabs when u actually need them eh?...
Just seen the following on the other site written by someone called addicknz:
I dont post that often, and have mentioned before that I worked for both Australian and NZ Football a few years back. I have been in contact with them again for work reasons and happened to have a conversation about the Aussies trying to buy the Addicks.
It was explained to me that the group responsible for the purchase are showing an interest in a number of clubs globally of which Charlton is just one. They have never had any cash for the purchase and use negotiations with a football club as leverage to generate investors' interest. As things stand currently they have not managed to secure enough investment/interest to purchase a football club. Charlton has engaged with the Aussies more than any of their previous attempts and consequently they feel that they have a better chance of a purchase.
However there is still a massive hole in the funds available to purchase and it is thought unlikely that this will change. The investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club. There are also questions over the ability to continue to support the club financially, post purchase (there are no plans to look for additional funds once sale is complete).
There is a Utopian view that once the sale is complete, the club will be launch pad for Aussie players trying to make it in the UK. The impact of this strategy on both Academy and player purchase is untested, but the concerns over ongoing finance after point of sale suggest that this has also has a cost saving approach (a bit like RD and his 'network' a while back).
The person I spoke with has no axe to grind and I dont doubt his info, but whether it is common knowledge or poetic license I am unsure.
IF that is true then don't want them anywhere near us. Recipie for disaster and using negotiations to generate interest is like @AFKAbartram rounding a few up on here for a meeting with the club with a view of raising funds for acquisition and more importantly running costs after.
Sounds proper dodgy IF this is true and more perilous than current ownership...who as a one man clownshow has to at least pay the bills to stand any chance of seeing any return on investment.
A consortium of random strangers looking for financial return poses great threat to going concern if one or two pull out after sale and withdraw future investment.
Can't imagine many will commit 5 years worth of funding at the outset so really alarms me reading this sort of stuff as seems an inherently flawed model and hugely risky for the good of CAFC.
Just seen the following on the other site written by someone called addicknz:
I dont post that often, and have mentioned before that I worked for both Australian and NZ Football a few years back. I have been in contact with them again for work reasons and happened to have a conversation about the Aussies trying to buy the Addicks.
It was explained to me that the group responsible for the purchase are showing an interest in a number of clubs globally of which Charlton is just one. They have never had any cash for the purchase and use negotiations with a football club as leverage to generate investors' interest. As things stand currently they have not managed to secure enough investment/interest to purchase a football club. Charlton has engaged with the Aussies more than any of their previous attempts and consequently they feel that they have a better chance of a purchase.
However there is still a massive hole in the funds available to purchase and it is thought unlikely that this will change. The investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club. There are also questions over the ability to continue to support the club financially, post purchase (there are no plans to look for additional funds once sale is complete).
There is a Utopian view that once the sale is complete, the club will be launch pad for Aussie players trying to make it in the UK. The impact of this strategy on both Academy and player purchase is untested, but the concerns over ongoing finance after point of sale suggest that this has also has a cost saving approach (a bit like RD and his 'network' a while back).
The person I spoke with has no axe to grind and I dont doubt his info, but whether it is common knowledge or poetic license I am unsure.
IF that is true then don't want them anywhere near us. Recipie for disaster and using negotiations to generate interest is like @AFKAbartram rounding a few up on here for a meeting with the club with a view of raising funds for acquisition and more importantly running costs after.
Sounds proper dodgy IF this is true and more perilous than current ownership...who as a one man clownshow has to at least pay the bills to stand any chance of seeing any return on investment.
A consortium of random strangers looking for financial return poses great threat to going concern if one or two pull out after sale and withdraw future investment.
Can't imagine many will commit 5 years worth of funding at the outset so really alarms me reading this sort of stuff as seems an inherently flawed model and hugely risky for the good of CAFC.
Roland is the problem, as Dalman and every other bid is finding.
It's not "Aussie bashing", and what I find astonishing is people not wanting to discuss the pros end cons of any potential new owner, but just being content on the present one going. Especialy after the last two..
We can discuss pros and cons of potential owners for eternity but we as fans have no say in who buys the club and only limited say in how a club is run. Bring on the Bundesliga model where the clubs members still hold a majority of voting rights.
As an occasional reader on this forum, the outsider impression is there's a contingent who consistently bash the Aussie bid with sweeping statements based on no evidence what so ever, or taking the word of Roland and his lackies as gospel.
Is there?
Er. yeah.
Sorry mate, completely missed them. I know there was someone post a oneliner on this thread a couple of days ago about RD now going in the right direction 're. Bowyer and a couple of singing, or something, but other than that I get the feeling that the dislike and distrust in RD and everyone associated with him was pretty much 100%
Sorry mate, you've must've misread what I wrote. I said there's a contingent who believe the spin Roland and lackies say is true, especially when it suits their unfounded argument. I said nothing about anyone believing RD is going in right direction.
Sorry mate, I know what you meant, but my point was that the only thing I've seen on here regarding anything remotely to do with painting RD in a good light, whether it's believing what him or his lackies say, or commenting on them taking the club in the right direction etc etc, was the post I mentioned from a couple of days ago, and I definitely don't think there's a contingent of people who believe them. After every statement, radio interview, or fan's forum, they seem to be getting pelters from all angles and picked apart within hours.
Blimey, still mis-reading my post. Well I tried.
Here's one example. The Cloob has said the Aussie's just need to submit paperwork with the EFL. Some people believe that, some don't (some believe the EFL, some don't).
I don't trust what this regime says.
I don't think I misread it at all. You said the Aussie bashing is astonishing - I said that, in my opinion, people are just asking question and perfectly in their right to do do.
Then you said that there's a contingent on here who still believe the spin that RD and his lackies come out with and I said that I don't believe there is.
We will have to agree to disagree. I saw a few people quote the papers with the EFL line just a few pages ago. Perhaps you didn't see them.
In what context?
The context where it was used to have a go at the Aussies.
Just seen the following on the other site written by someone called addicknz:
I dont post that often, and have mentioned before that I worked for both Australian and NZ Football a few years back. I have been in contact with them again for work reasons and happened to have a conversation about the Aussies trying to buy the Addicks.
It was explained to me that the group responsible for the purchase are showing an interest in a number of clubs globally of which Charlton is just one. They have never had any cash for the purchase and use negotiations with a football club as leverage to generate investors' interest. As things stand currently they have not managed to secure enough investment/interest to purchase a football club. Charlton has engaged with the Aussies more than any of their previous attempts and consequently they feel that they have a better chance of a purchase.
However there is still a massive hole in the funds available to purchase and it is thought unlikely that this will change. The investment model is multiple shareholders, of which non are independently wealthy enough to purchase the club. There are also questions over the ability to continue to support the club financially, post purchase (there are no plans to look for additional funds once sale is complete).
There is a Utopian view that once the sale is complete, the club will be launch pad for Aussie players trying to make it in the UK. The impact of this strategy on both Academy and player purchase is untested, but the concerns over ongoing finance after point of sale suggest that this has also has a cost saving approach (a bit like RD and his 'network' a while back).
The person I spoke with has no axe to grind and I dont doubt his info, but whether it is common knowledge or poetic license I am unsure.
IF that is true then don't want them anywhere near us. Recipie for disaster and using negotiations to generate interest is like @AFKAbartram rounding a few up on here for a meeting with the club with a view of raising funds for acquisition and more importantly running costs after.
Sounds proper dodgy IF this is true and more perilous than current ownership...who as a one man clownshow has to at least pay the bills to stand any chance of seeing any return on investment.
A consortium of random strangers looking for financial return poses great threat to going concern if one or two pull out after sale and withdraw future investment.
Can't imagine many will commit 5 years worth of funding at the outset so really alarms me reading this sort of stuff as seems an inherently flawed model and hugely risky for the good of CAFC.
Pull out like Kevin Cash did.
If only Rolands old man did 70 years ago
On form today Rambo, poor yourself another whisky mate.
Roland is the problem, as Dalman and every other bid is finding.
It's not "Aussie bashing", and what I find astonishing is people not wanting to discuss the pros end cons of any potential new owner, but just being content on the present one going. Especialy after the last two..
We can discuss pros and cons of potential owners for eternity but we as fans have no say in who buys the club and only limited say in how a club is run. Bring on the Bundesliga model where the clubs members still hold a majority of voting rights.
As an occasional reader on this forum, the outsider impression is there's a contingent who consistently bash the Aussie bid with sweeping statements based on no evidence what so ever, or taking the word of Roland and his lackies as gospel.
Is there?
Er. yeah.
Sorry mate, completely missed them. I know there was someone post a oneliner on this thread a couple of days ago about RD now going in the right direction 're. Bowyer and a couple of singing, or something, but other than that I get the feeling that the dislike and distrust in RD and everyone associated with him was pretty much 100%
Sorry mate, you've must've misread what I wrote. I said there's a contingent who believe the spin Roland and lackies say is true, especially when it suits their unfounded argument. I said nothing about anyone believing RD is going in right direction.
Sorry mate, I know what you meant, but my point was that the only thing I've seen on here regarding anything remotely to do with painting RD in a good light, whether it's believing what him or his lackies say, or commenting on them taking the club in the right direction etc etc, was the post I mentioned from a couple of days ago, and I definitely don't think there's a contingent of people who believe them. After every statement, radio interview, or fan's forum, they seem to be getting pelters from all angles and picked apart within hours.
Blimey, still mis-reading my post. Well I tried.
Here's one example. The Cloob has said the Aussie's just need to submit paperwork with the EFL. Some people believe that, some don't (some believe the EFL, some don't).
I don't trust what this regime says.
I don't think I misread it at all. You said the Aussie bashing is astonishing - I said that, in my opinion, people are just asking question and perfectly in their right to do do.
Then you said that there's a contingent on here who still believe the spin that RD and his lackies come out with and I said that I don't believe there is.
We will have to agree to disagree. I saw a few people quote the papers with the EFL line just a few pages ago. Perhaps you didn't see them.
In what context?
The context where it was used to have a go at the Aussies.
It’s the weekend mate, don’t fret about it.
We agree to disagree, let it go.
Yeah, you're right mate. Give that one to me then.
What goes down in South Lincolnshire on a weekend then?
I thought it was Bexley Boy from the other site....
don't get cocky sonny - you've scooped one transfer recently but i'll be back - once i'm back on dry land i'll be back bigger and better than ever - rifling off transfer scoops like an automatic machine gun - my vast network of sources are having some well earned down time ready for a big month. As for the takeover - where's all the rich arabs when u actually need them eh?...
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How many people do you reckon, when Muir is part of the consortium, and he’s apparently richer than Roland?
The ‘post sale strategy’ is multiple investors ‘none of whom are rich enough to buy the club on their own’. I’m pretty sure that is what he’s confusing it with. But if I’m wrong, I’m wrong. 👍
I think Dubh is pronounced with a ‘v’, and sounds rather beautiful and romantic, whereas Blackpool just sounds a bid ordinary.
Fcuk it how can I change my username to Dubh pronounced with a V
One thing I will say about the Aussies, whether they have the dough or not, they’re good sorts. Sports mad, enthusiastic and honest. In the world of football ownership those qualities are not to be dismissed lightly.
And I should add, Dalman was being talked about as the ultimate dream owner at one time, one who was going to sweep the club off its feet, freeing us from the Roland yoke.
Can't change my past and even if I could I wouldn't.
As you have known me for the best part of 50 years we might not have even met.
The one thing that definitely seems inaccurate, is that Muir is definitely wealthy enough to purchase Charlton alone.
The issue of course is that he doesn't want to, so it's not a game changer whether he has the funds or not.
It’s the weekend mate, don’t fret about it.
We agree to disagree, let it go.
What goes down in South Lincolnshire on a weekend then?
Although the likes of @eaststandmike and me may go the other way!
Come on you Reds!