I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
What's the current business model, alienate the fans and sell any young player with an ounce of talent? Amazing how quickly people forget what's gone on for the last 3 years after a half decent start to the season in a shit league. I think it's worth a gamble.
Maintaining healthy scepticism whilst hoping for the best but won't be surprised if it's not a fairytale as don't seem to be many successful takeovers in recent years but hoping we buck that trend if this materialises.
How much they have doesn't matter as we've seen for the last 3+ years, it's what they do with it. Anyway the Aussies are a consortium aren't they so hopefully a few more with similar funds.
originally a consortium trying to raise the funds. Don't think Muir was involved then. Now he is maybe he wants to go it alone. He certainly has the funds to do so and having sold his business down under now has the time too.
I’m organising a farewell party for our esteemed smt, not very good at this sort of thing I’ll need some help so I think maybe a committee of say 11, yes that seems like a good number could be put together so we say an appropriate goodbye. Lots of hugs and kisses that sort of thing.
I will volunteer to organise the bunting and the farewell banner. Although I might need some suggestions on the appropriate wording that fit around "Now Fuck Off please".
You can forget the please ................. this is how the fans do things, they'll have to get used to it. It's weird you think you own OUR club, you won't Now Fuck Off !!!!
Any new owners will desperately want to get out of this division
Where we are now, and looking at the teams around us, I imagine that promotion will be the first thing on their agenda, so some money will be spent in January. Everything else, whether it's attracting the best Aussie talent or getting a punt at promotion to the Premier League will wait until we get out of L1.
I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
Being overlooked hugely in the optimism of seeing this ownership go. The economics of football ownership particularly at this level are crazy in 2017....for all the bad under this mob we are a going concern and at least seem to have turned a corner football wise with more apparent autonomy with a manager who knows this league and some good signings in Fosu, Holmes etc whilst the CEO hasn't spoken publicly for yonks.
Many are praising these new speculated owners without knowing anything about them, their competence,their resources, their ambition and their agenda.
We would do well to revisit the takeover thread from 3 years ago when this mob rocked up and the same jubilation was being pumped all over the message board due to the relief of being able to see a glimmer of optimism after the Cash went with Jiminez and Slater.
IF a takeover even happens the new lot will have a lot to prove and whilst they should be supported and I hope we see a return to bumper crowds the scepticism will be their now for me for a good while until their is evidence that we've not gone from a bad situation to another or worse.
Agreed, it's foolish to be celebrating when you have no idea what the facts are. I'm cautiously optimistic and if it happens and the owners are an improvement on what we have, then I'll start to celebrate, but not beforehand.
Seen a lot of Big Sam mentioned. Bumped into KR's dad at London Bridge before the game last week and he said KR had asked Big Sam to come down to help with training for the week. Nothing in it.
I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
What's the current business model, alienate the fans and sell any young player with an ounce of talent? Amazing how quickly people forget what's gone on for the last 3 years after a half decent start to the season in a shit league. I think it's worth a gamble.
Maintaining healthy scepticism whilst hoping for the best but won't be surprised if it's not a fairytale as don't seem to be many successful takeovers in recent years but hoping we buck that trend if this materialises.
Doesn't have to be a fairytale just some owners who want success on the pitch first and foremost and want the fans along with them.
I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
Being overlooked hugely in the optimism of seeing this ownership go. The economics of football ownership particularly at this level are crazy in 2017....for all the bad under this mob we are a going concern and at least seem to have turned a corner football wise with more apparent autonomy with a manager who knows this league and some good signings in Fosu, Holmes etc whilst the CEO hasn't spoken publicly for yonks.
Many are praising these new speculated owners without knowing anything about them, their competence,their resources, their ambition and their agenda.
We would do well to revisit the takeover thread from 3 years ago when this mob rocked up and the same jubilation was being pumped all over the message board due to the relief of being able to see a glimmer of optimism after the Cash went with Jiminez and Slater.
IF a takeover even happens the new lot will have a lot to prove and whilst they should be supported and I hope we see a return to bumper crowds the scepticism will be their now for me for a good while until their is evidence that we've not gone from a bad situation to another or worse.
Yeah, excellently put. I worry that, with the level of initial investment, any owner is going to rock up and think "we can be in the Premier League in 2-3 years." There is the challenge of just getting out of this division, and looking up to the Championship, it's a massive arms race where there are hugely wealthy owners and clubs with massive parachute payments to contend with.
And we are, or at least were, operating at a loss. Whether the Lookman sale and the sale of other players last summer covers that remains to be seen. But it means that not only will investors need to meet Roland's initial asking price, they'll need to pump money in just to keep us going.
And this all goes back to my big underlying fear which is: who would want to buy us right now, in the third tier, operating at (estimated) 1m/month losses, and with a training ground that needs an overhaul?
Andrew Muir isn't near the man Roland Duchatalet is, but then I don't know the full consortium and their plans so it is always a risk. Grass seems greener on the other side but it doesn't necessarily mean it will be, only time will tell.
I think without falling head over heels at the thought of new owners, we have to at least consume the positives, it will bring a band of togetherness at the Club, fans will return back (barring the new owners bringing out an opening article saying they aim for L2 football and to move us into Croydon).
Roland is a ticking time bomb and doesn't know football even near as well as any man down the pub does, if we can get someone in that does understand the sport, understand fan's voices and at least want to operate us positively and in a manner that can aim to move up the league(s), it's only a positive thing. Big IF, but I can't see them wanting to run an identity-less Club.
I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
What's the current business model, alienate the fans and sell any young player with an ounce of talent? Amazing how quickly people forget what's gone on for the last 3 years after a half decent start to the season in a shit league. I think it's worth a gamble.
Maintaining healthy scepticism whilst hoping for the best but won't be surprised if it's not a fairytale as don't seem to be many successful takeovers in recent years but hoping we buck that trend if this materialises.
Doesn't have to be a fairytale just some owners who want success on the pitch first and foremost and want the fans along with them.
Wanting success and wanting the fans along with them isn't enough. They need buckets of cash.
Aside from that, you generally find a new board bring in another manager. I think we should let Powell carry on with unfinished business and that will galvanise the support and hopefully after 18 months the previous term will be a distant memory.
Steady on Elfie.....that’s very OTT.....especially the first sentence.
Seen a lot of Big Sam mentioned. Bumped into KR's dad at London Bridge before the game last week and he said KR had asked Big Sam to come down to help with training for the week. Nothing in it.
I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
What's the current business model, alienate the fans and sell any young player with an ounce of talent? Amazing how quickly people forget what's gone on for the last 3 years after a half decent start to the season in a shit league. I think it's worth a gamble.
No no no, no one is forgetting here. It's just going back to my last point, who would want to buy us now?
As far as selling any decent young players, while we're in this division I don't know of any other business model. How else are we going to bring in revenue to match our losses? And if we're not making money, do we expect an owner who will come in and just pump money into the club in the form of philanthropy, and not loans? Because I think that's really unlikely.
Where is the “speculate to accumulate” ethos in your argument.....nowhere it would seem?
I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
What's the current business model, alienate the fans and sell any young player with an ounce of talent? Amazing how quickly people forget what's gone on for the last 3 years after a half decent start to the season in a shit league. I think it's worth a gamble.
Maintaining healthy scepticism whilst hoping for the best but won't be surprised if it's not a fairytale as don't seem to be many successful takeovers in recent years but hoping we buck that trend if this materialises.
Doesn't have to be a fairytale just some owners who want success on the pitch first and foremost and want the fans along with them.
Oh I really want that to be true. I don't demand success and would be happy with genuine ambition and solid business practice but it could just as easily end up with unpaid tax bills and winding up orders.
Until I'm convinced a new ownership would be a safe pair of hands for our club I think I am entitled to be a little concerned.
I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
Being overlooked hugely in the optimism of seeing this ownership go. The economics of football ownership particularly at this level are crazy in 2017....for all the bad under this mob we are a going concern and at least seem to have turned a corner football wise with more apparent autonomy with a manager who knows this league and some good signings in Fosu, Holmes etc whilst the CEO hasn't spoken publicly for yonks.
Many are praising these new speculated owners without knowing anything about them, their competence,their resources, their ambition and their agenda.
We would do well to revisit the takeover thread from 3 years ago when this mob rocked up and the same jubilation was being pumped all over the message board due to the relief of being able to see a glimmer of optimism after the Cash went with Jiminez and Slater.
IF a takeover even happens the new lot will have a lot to prove and whilst they should be supported and I hope we see a return to bumper crowds the scepticism will be their now for me for a good while until their is evidence that we've not gone from a bad situation to another or worse.
I am included in this, but I think so many people are so f***** off with the vermin the fans are of the view the next board cannot be any worse than the current ones and are prepared to sit back and wait.
We are due some luck as a fanbase so fingers crossed!
We used it all up on turning Naby Sarr from Franz Kafka-esque nightmare into Franz Beckenbauer.
I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
What's the current business model, alienate the fans and sell any young player with an ounce of talent? Amazing how quickly people forget what's gone on for the last 3 years after a half decent start to the season in a shit league. I think it's worth a gamble.
How can anything be worth a gamble when you don't know the runners and riders/teams/contestants ?
We all know the current owner is toxic, but at this stage, I for one know nothing about a potential new owner and their finances, so how can I possibly take a a gamble today ?
Give me some facts and I'd agree that on the balance of probability a new owner could be great, but with zero information I cannot.
I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
Being overlooked hugely in the optimism of seeing this ownership go. The economics of football ownership particularly at this level are crazy in 2017....for all the bad under this mob we are a going concern and at least seem to have turned a corner football wise with more apparent autonomy with a manager who knows this league and some good signings in Fosu, Holmes etc whilst the CEO hasn't spoken publicly for yonks.
Many are praising these new speculated owners without knowing anything about them, their competence,their resources, their ambition and their agenda.
We would do well to revisit the takeover thread from 3 years ago when this mob rocked up and the same jubilation was being pumped all over the message board due to the relief of being able to see a glimmer of optimism after the Cash went with Jiminez and Slater.
IF a takeover even happens the new lot will have a lot to prove and whilst they should be supported and I hope we see a return to bumper crowds the scepticism will be their now for me for a good while until their is evidence that we've not gone from a bad situation to another or worse.
Not so sure that is true, while happy that we seemed on a more stable footing (couldn't have been worse) the writing was on the wall from the off considering the amount of talent sold from SL & replaced at a fraction of the value. I was wary of the way things might possibly turn out, we didn't have to wait too long to find out did we ?
I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
Being overlooked hugely in the optimism of seeing this ownership go. The economics of football ownership particularly at this level are crazy in 2017....for all the bad under this mob we are a going concern and at least seem to have turned a corner football wise with more apparent autonomy with a manager who knows this league and some good signings in Fosu, Holmes etc whilst the CEO hasn't spoken publicly for yonks.
Many are praising these new speculated owners without knowing anything about them, their competence,their resources, their ambition and their agenda.
We would do well to revisit the takeover thread from 3 years ago when this mob rocked up and the same jubilation was being pumped all over the message board due to the relief of being able to see a glimmer of optimism after the Cash went with Jiminez and Slater.
IF a takeover even happens the new lot will have a lot to prove and whilst they should be supported and I hope we see a return to bumper crowds the scepticism will be their now for me for a good while until their is evidence that we've not gone from a bad situation to another or worse.
Not so sure that is true, while happy that we seemed on a more stable footing (couldn't have been worse) the writing was on the wall from the off considering the amount of talent sold from SL & replaced at a fraction of the value. I was wary of the way things might possibly turn out, we didn't have to wait too long to find out did we ?
To be fair you're probably right. In fact I remember exchanges on WhatsApp with a mate saying what a boring typical Charlton takeover when we were hoping for some loony Middle eastern prince who was going to buy up the leagues and gold plate the stadium. How wrong we were!
I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
What's the current business model, alienate the fans and sell any young player with an ounce of talent? Amazing how quickly people forget what's gone on for the last 3 years after a half decent start to the season in a shit league. I think it's worth a gamble.
No no no, no one is forgetting here. It's just going back to my last point, who would want to buy us now?
As far as selling any decent young players, while we're in this division I don't know of any other business model. How else are we going to bring in revenue to match our losses? And if we're not making money, do we expect an owner who will come in and just pump money into the club in the form of philanthropy, and not loans? Because I think that's really unlikely.
Selling players is one thing, giving your manager a piss poor budget which means we end up with one senior striker is quite another. A little bit of the Lookman money for a semi decent striker would have given us a slightly better chance of promotion, still who needs a striker when we can dig a few extra trenches at the training ground.
I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
These are my thoughts exactly.
What exactly is their business model?
What's the current business model, alienate the fans and sell any young player with an ounce of talent? Amazing how quickly people forget what's gone on for the last 3 years after a half decent start to the season in a shit league. I think it's worth a gamble.
No no no, no one is forgetting here. It's just going back to my last point, who would want to buy us now?
As far as selling any decent young players, while we're in this division I don't know of any other business model. How else are we going to bring in revenue to match our losses? And if we're not making money, do we expect an owner who will come in and just pump money into the club in the form of philanthropy, and not loans? Because I think that's really unlikely.
Where is the “speculate to accumulate” ethos in your argument.....nowhere it would seem?
What is the "accumulate" part of this equation? Is it spending money on players that have high resale value? Is it spending on the academy so that we bring through more players to sell on? I think both of those are decent ambitions.
But if the "accumulate" is reaching the Premier League then we're looking at tens if not hundreds of millions of pounds needing the be speculated before there can be any accumulation.
And this is a good example of why "uniting the fans" is not enough. It's not a business plan, it's a PR strategy. And moreover, I think a lot of fans will want a lot of money pumped in to the club. And as we've seen time and again, money comes with string attached. Be it debt, be it potentially unrealistic expectations, or be it that eventually the money runs out. That's what I think makes some of us so cautious.
I would like KR to stay. I appreciate some see him as having taken Roland's silver, a gobshite and some just don't rate him, but I think he's doing okay.
I think he's got that team playing for him. I think the players believe in him and I think the 3 of them (KR, JJ and bowyer) actually look like a tight knit group and compliment each other well.
I've always been a fan of KR's enthusiasm and yes he's very David Brent, but I think he's genuine, and I think he's put a proper shift in to get us where we are. If and when this takeover happens, if he gets given the chance to bring 3 more players come Jan if we're still up there, he may get us promoted.
Fingers crossed for this to happen. We need this to bring our club back together.
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Where we are now, and looking at the teams around us, I imagine that promotion will be the first thing on their agenda, so some money will be spent in January. Everything else, whether it's attracting the best Aussie talent or getting a punt at promotion to the Premier League will wait until we get out of L1.
I'm cautiously optimistic and if it happens and the owners are an improvement on what we have, then I'll start to celebrate, but not beforehand.
I think without falling head over heels at the thought of new owners, we have to at least consume the positives, it will bring a band of togetherness at the Club, fans will return back (barring the new owners bringing out an opening article saying they aim for L2 football and to move us into Croydon).
Roland is a ticking time bomb and doesn't know football even near as well as any man down the pub does, if we can get someone in that does understand the sport, understand fan's voices and at least want to operate us positively and in a manner that can aim to move up the league(s), it's only a positive thing. Big IF, but I can't see them wanting to run an identity-less Club.
Until I'm convinced a new ownership would be a safe pair of hands for our club I think I am entitled to be a little concerned.
We all know the current owner is toxic, but at this stage, I for one know nothing about a potential new owner and their finances, so how can I possibly take a a gamble today ?
Give me some facts and I'd agree that on the balance of probability a new owner could be great, but with zero information I cannot.
But if the "accumulate" is reaching the Premier League then we're looking at tens if not hundreds of millions of pounds needing the be speculated before there can be any accumulation.
And this is a good example of why "uniting the fans" is not enough. It's not a business plan, it's a PR strategy. And moreover, I think a lot of fans will want a lot of money pumped in to the club. And as we've seen time and again, money comes with string attached. Be it debt, be it potentially unrealistic expectations, or be it that eventually the money runs out. That's what I think makes some of us so cautious.
I think he's got that team playing for him. I think the players believe in him and I think the 3 of them (KR, JJ and bowyer) actually look like a tight knit group and compliment each other well.
I've always been a fan of KR's enthusiasm and yes he's very David Brent, but I think he's genuine, and I think he's put a proper shift in to get us where we are. If and when this takeover happens, if he gets given the chance to bring 3 more players come Jan if we're still up there, he may get us promoted.
Fingers crossed for this to happen. We need this to bring our club back together.
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