I think we should be able to know who has flagged us! It might stop it. Somebody may have flagged you because they wrongly think you flagged them etc... etc...No flags please!
I think we should be able to know who has flagged us! It might stop it. Somebody may have flagged you because they wrongly think you flagged them etc... etc...No flags please!
I think we should be able to know who has flagged us! It might stop it. Somebody may have flagged you because they wrongly think you flagged them etc... etc...No flags please!
I don't flag people. And as i don't have access to a computer only a mobile I Don't know who has just flagged me.
This thread has been outstanding - am going to miss it...
Can't we open one on the German election or something?
I am up for it @newyorkaddick but I could just as easily vote for Merkels one nation CDUism as I could for the SPD, so we might not be poles apart on what we think.
Could we possibly keep it a secret from the Johnny-come-lately right wing snowflakes* who seem to have joined this thread today though as I much prefer reasoned debate to talking shite.
Saw a map that, based on poll trends, shows the likely winner by city. Was an eye opener.
If Scotland were to become its own country, England would be dominated utterly by The Conservatives. almost every city would have Conservative majorities.
I think we should be able to know who has flagged us! It might stop it. Somebody may have flagged you because they wrongly think you flagged them etc... etc...No flags please!
I don't flag people. And as i don't have access to a computer only a mobile I Don't know who has just flagged me.
It feels like it is winding down now - I agree it has been outstanding. A bit of passion and name calling is more interesting than boring nothingness. As I have said before- we are all Charlton fans and will soon be moaning about Roland and Meire again.
For those that haven't voted yet; if you are in doubt about the Tories privatising the NHS I've just been victim to it, well not me but my son. The wheelchair services from the hospital has been taken over by a private company and they say that he doesn't fit their criteria and want the chair back that I've had for 5 years. I told them the hospital gave it to me and I will return to them if they ask for it. Just because I needed a repair, this is awful and I'm fuming, I have tried him without the chair numerously and it doesn't work this will mean we can do nothing until I find the money to buy one.
This isn't the only service to be privatised and very soon it will be everything, if you haven't voted yet please go and vote Labour, go and save our NHS. PLEASE!
Sadie, don't give the chair up without a fight. As soon as the election is over, write to your MP explaining the situation, and asking them to intercede on your behalf.
Thanks for telling me both how I vote and what I think. It's all utter bollocks of course.
I don't think, "anyone voting for anything but labour is an imbecile and can't work things out for themselves or make their own mind up and form their own view" thanks. That's just basically a crappy strawman argument & very much playing the man rather than addressing the point I made as I've said nothing of the sort you suggested throughout this thread. Pretty poor of you tbh.
I've asked repeatedly for someone to spell out the positives of 7 years under a Tory PM. You made an effort which I acknowledged. I also pointed out what you suggested was irrelevant, misleading or failed to address the bigger picture beyond your personal situation. I stand by that but it doesn't mean I think you or anyone else on here is an imbecile.
As for what I know about Polo? I do know he's not in the public sector. So you're right, under a Labour government he might be one of the 5%'ers. But he might not be. He might be no worse off, he might even be better off. Who knows for absolute certain?
By contrast me and millions like me will wake up tomorrow in the 100% certainty that we will face further job losses, further pay freezes/cuts and further attacks on our pensions and conditions. There's no ambiguity about that whatsoever. He made a statement in my view that he would enjoy the fallout, I pointed out that for some of us this shit is real, all getting a bit tiring tbh and not really something to be a laughing matter. I'm pretty sure if the situation were reversed Polo might same the same.
Finally, what I said was factually correct wasn't it? Or did I make up the last 7 years of austerity policies implemented on the public sector?
I don't disagree with there have been cuts in the public sector, pay rise freezes etc etc, my wife works in the public sector and has done for 14 years, the last ten being as a paid employee. But it's not vastly different i the private sector.
A lot of what you say is true, but it's easy to critize the past, and by that I mean, yes there has been austerity, yes they has been a pay freeze and lots of other things to boot, such as what everyone seems to ignore me when I say and provide numerous examples that under the Tories the richer end of society (those on £60k or more) have seen a not inconsiderable tax increase and removal of any benefit/tax benefit under the tories, lost their personal allowance etc etc, on the flip side the lower earners haven't had a tax increase and have seen the personal allowance not far off double. The broadest shoulders and all that, people seem to have short memories when it suits.
In 2010 I had a tax free allowance of around £4k, now it's a negative £7.5k meaning on the first day of the tax year before i've earn't a penny I already owe 7.5k, thereafter I get about 55% of what I earn.
Yet there is a continual spouting of how the higher earners have somehow got away with it, yet it's the complete opposite ( I appreciate there is an argument for more tax to be paid/collected in various places and levels). Both parties can spin you know.........
Also let me put a few myths straight about the private v public sector. My last company that I left in August 2016 made 37 of it's 89 staff redundant, over 40%. The company I joined in September last year between April 2015 and August 2016 made over 200 of it's 500 staff redundant, over 45%. This is very common in the Insurance industry in the City, last time I looked none of them were public employee's........ I can also tell you that the vast majority still employed have had NO pay rise for at least three years some as far back as 2008. But you don't read that in the press do you?
So guess what, some of 'this shit' is real in the private sector as well. If Labour get in tonight, vast waves of the insurance industry within 12-18 months will no longer be writing business in the UK. Why would they, they can just as easily write the business in Bermuda, Zurich or 101 other places at considerably lower cost and more profit and half of them aren't british owned companies, despite what we seem sometimes to think, the world of business doesn't revolve around London. So not only will the government lose that Corp Tax but also some seriously high earners not only will they not be paying the additional 5% tax you'll lose the 50% they are already paying........ but heh, lets not worry, Jeremy has it fully costed right?
In a nutshell, I believe, that if we rewound the clock back to 2010 and Corbyn and Labour took government then we would be in a far worse position than we are now, seriously worse.
I don't agree with an awful lot of the Tories polices and actions, but in my view, under current Labour, be careful what you wish for. You'll see an initial up tick, but by the time the end of the next parliament comes this country will be on it's knees like we've never seen since the 2nd world war ended. And for those of you in the 95% group, if you think in Motleys terms, 'they won't be coming for you' think again, once they've milked the rich cow and theres no milk left to take yet they are still a few barrels short, it'll trickle down the chain ....... rant over, got to go and vote!
For those that haven't voted yet; if you are in doubt about the Tories privatising the NHS I've just been victim to it, well not me but my son. The wheelchair services from the hospital has been taken over by a private company and they say that he doesn't fit their criteria and want the chair back that I've had for 5 years. I told them the hospital gave it to me and I will return to them if they ask for it. Just because I needed a repair, this is awful and I'm fuming, I have tried him without the chair numerously and it doesn't work this will mean we can do nothing until I find the money to buy one.
This isn't the only service to be privatised and very soon it will be everything, if you haven't voted yet please go and vote Labour, go and save our NHS. PLEASE!
Sadie, don't give the chair up without a fight. As soon as the election is over, write to your MP explaining the situation, and asking them to intercede on your behalf.
Thanks for telling me both how I vote and what I think. It's all utter bollocks of course.
I don't think, "anyone voting for anything but labour is an imbecile and can't work things out for themselves or make their own mind up and form their own view" thanks. That's just basically a crappy strawman argument & very much playing the man rather than addressing the point I made as I've said nothing of the sort you suggested throughout this thread. Pretty poor of you tbh.
I've asked repeatedly for someone to spell out the positives of 7 years under a Tory PM. You made an effort which I acknowledged. I also pointed out what you suggested was irrelevant, misleading or failed to address the bigger picture beyond your personal situation. I stand by that but it doesn't mean I think you or anyone else on here is an imbecile.
As for what I know about Polo? I do know he's not in the public sector. So you're right, under a Labour government he might be one of the 5%'ers. But he might not be. He might be no worse off, he might even be better off. Who knows for absolute certain?
By contrast me and millions like me will wake up tomorrow in the 100% certainty that we will face further job losses, further pay freezes/cuts and further attacks on our pensions and conditions. There's no ambiguity about that whatsoever. He made a statement in my view that he would enjoy the fallout, I pointed out that for some of us this shit is real, all getting a bit tiring tbh and not really something to be a laughing matter. I'm pretty sure if the situation were reversed Polo might same the same.
Finally, what I said was factually correct wasn't it? Or did I make up the last 7 years of austerity policies implemented on the public sector?
I don't disagree with there have been cuts in the public sector, pay rise freezes etc etc, my wife works in the public sector and has done for 14 years, the last ten being as a paid employee. But it's not vastly different i the private sector.
A lot of what you say is true, but it's easy to critize the past, and by that I mean, yes there has been austerity, yes they has been a pay freeze and lots of other things to boot, such as what everyone seems to ignore me when I say and provide numerous examples that under the Tories the richer end of society (those on £60k or more) have seen a not inconsiderable tax increase and removal of any benefit/tax benefit under the tories, lost their personal allowance etc etc, on the flip side the lower earners haven't had a tax increase and have seen the personal allowance not far off double. The broadest shoulders and all that, people seem to have short memories when it suits.
In 2010 I had a tax free allowance of around £4k, now it's a negative £7.5k meaning on the first day of the tax year before i've earn't a penny I already owe 7.5k, thereafter I get about 55% of what I earn.
Yet there is a continual spouting of how the higher earners have somehow got away with it, yet it's the complete opposite ( I appreciate there is an argument for more tax to be paid/collected in various places and levels). Both parties can spin you know.........
Also let me put a few myths straight about the private v public sector. My last company that I left in August 2016 made 37 of it's 89 staff redundant, over 40%. The company I joined in September last year between April 2015 and August 2016 made over 200 of it's 500 staff redundant, over 45%. This is very common in the Insurance industry in the City, last time I looked none of them were public employee's........ I can also tell you that the vast majority still employed have had NO pay rise for at least three years some as far back as 2008. But you don't read that in the press do you?
So guess what, some of 'this shit' is real in the private sector as well. If Labour get in tonight, vast waves of the insurance industry within 12-18 months will no longer be writing business in the UK. Why would they, they can just as easily write the business in Bermuda, Zurich or 101 other places at considerably lower cost and more profit and half of them aren't british owned companies, despite what we seem sometimes to think, the world of business doesn't revolve around London. So not only will the government lose that Corp Tax but also some seriously high earners not only will they not be paying the additional 5% tax you'll lose the 50% they are already paying........ but heh, lets not worry, Jeremy has it fully costed right?
In a nutshell, I believe, that if we rewound the clock back to 2010 and Corbyn and Labour took government then we would be in a far worse position than we are now, seriously worse.
I don't agree with an awful lot of the Tories polices and actions, but in my view, under current Labour, be careful what you wish for. You'll see an initial up tick, but by the time the end of the next parliament comes this country will be on it's knees like we've never seen since the 2nd world war ended. And for those of you in the 95% group, if you think in Motleys terms, 'they won't be coming for you' think again, once they've milked the rich cow and theres no milk left to take yet they are still a few barrels short, it'll trickle down the chain ....... rant over, got to go and vote!
I respect your position, but you make a lot of jumps. They are your jumps to make but they are not my facts.
For those that haven't voted yet; if you are in doubt about the Tories privatising the NHS I've just been victim to it, well not me but my son. The wheelchair services from the hospital has been taken over by a private company and they say that he doesn't fit their criteria and want the chair back that I've had for 5 years. I told them the hospital gave it to me and I will return to them if they ask for it. Just because I needed a repair, this is awful and I'm fuming, I have tried him without the chair numerously and it doesn't work this will mean we can do nothing until I find the money to buy one.
This isn't the only service to be privatised and very soon it will be everything, if you haven't voted yet please go and vote Labour, go and save our NHS. PLEASE!
Sadie, don't give the chair up without a fight. As soon as the election is over, write to your MP explaining the situation, and asking them to intercede on your behalf.
Yep. I've seen more of this internet bile and invective from my left leaning friends than i can stomach to be honest. They think they're supporting enlightened policies and caring about other people and helping the less fortunate in society but then they come out with all sorts of inflammatory vile language about hateful selfish tory voters. I just avoid discussing politics with them altogether. Essentially, they are just trying to bully people who don't agree with them. If there's one thing i can't stand, its a bully
The Left are ideologically authoritarian so no surprise.
Only half an hour of hope left before being locked into five years of austerity running parallel with the inevitable brexit disaster. Not even a progressive football team to follow as a distraction. It is true, despair exists.
For those that haven't voted yet; if you are in doubt about the Tories privatising the NHS I've just been victim to it, well not me but my son. The wheelchair services from the hospital has been taken over by a private company and they say that he doesn't fit their criteria and want the chair back that I've had for 5 years. I told them the hospital gave it to me and I will return to them if they ask for it. Just because I needed a repair, this is awful and I'm fuming, I have tried him without the chair numerously and it doesn't work this will mean we can do nothing until I find the money to buy one.
This isn't the only service to be privatised and very soon it will be everything, if you haven't voted yet please go and vote Labour, go and save our NHS. PLEASE!
Sadie, don't give the chair up without a fight. As soon as the election is over, write to your MP explaining the situation, and asking them to intercede on your behalf.
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And as i don't have access to a computer only a mobile I Don't know who has just flagged me.
Could we possibly keep it a secret from the Johnny-come-lately right wing snowflakes* who seem to have joined this thread today though as I much prefer reasoned debate to talking shite.
*Honourable exception to Covered End.
You don't flag mates.......................
Beside, @i_b_b_o_r_g is snowed under 'looking into' things, and I'm having a swiping session on tinder and Bumble simultaneously
A lot of what you say is true, but it's easy to critize the past, and by that I mean, yes there has been austerity, yes they has been a pay freeze and lots of other things to boot, such as what everyone seems to ignore me when I say and provide numerous examples that under the Tories the richer end of society (those on £60k or more) have seen a not inconsiderable tax increase and removal of any benefit/tax benefit under the tories, lost their personal allowance etc etc, on the flip side the lower earners haven't had a tax increase and have seen the personal allowance not far off double. The broadest shoulders and all that, people seem to have short memories when it suits.
In 2010 I had a tax free allowance of around £4k, now it's a negative £7.5k meaning on the first day of the tax year before i've earn't a penny I already owe 7.5k, thereafter I get about 55% of what I earn.
Yet there is a continual spouting of how the higher earners have somehow got away with it, yet it's the complete opposite ( I appreciate there is an argument for more tax to be paid/collected in various places and levels). Both parties can spin you know.........
Also let me put a few myths straight about the private v public sector. My last company that I left in August 2016 made 37 of it's 89 staff redundant, over 40%. The company I joined in September last year between April 2015 and August 2016 made over 200 of it's 500 staff redundant, over 45%. This is very common in the Insurance industry in the City, last time I looked none of them were public employee's........ I can also tell you that the vast majority still employed have had NO pay rise for at least three years some as far back as 2008. But you don't read that in the press do you?
So guess what, some of 'this shit' is real in the private sector as well. If Labour get in tonight, vast waves of the insurance industry within 12-18 months will no longer be writing business in the UK. Why would they, they can just as easily write the business in Bermuda, Zurich or 101 other places at considerably lower cost and more profit and half of them aren't british owned companies, despite what we seem sometimes to think, the world of business doesn't revolve around London. So not only will the government lose that Corp Tax but also some seriously high earners not only will they not be paying the additional 5% tax you'll lose the 50% they are already paying........ but heh, lets not worry, Jeremy has it fully costed right?
In a nutshell, I believe, that if we rewound the clock back to 2010 and Corbyn and Labour took government then we would be in a far worse position than we are now, seriously worse.
I don't agree with an awful lot of the Tories polices and actions, but in my view, under current Labour, be careful what you wish for. You'll see an initial up tick, but by the time the end of the next parliament comes this country will be on it's knees like we've never seen since the 2nd world war ended. And for those of you in the 95% group, if you think in Motleys terms, 'they won't be coming for you' think again, once they've milked the rich cow and theres no milk left to take yet they are still a few barrels short, it'll trickle down the chain ....... rant over, got to go and vote!
It is true, despair exists.