As I and others see things, the Grenfell Tower tradegy reflects nearly forty years of UK politics. As to those who say 'Shut up about politics'.....well, why shut up? Things are grim, in all sorts of ways. We need a different way of doing things. An answer to that is to be found in Green Socialism. I hope that this becomes a reality, soon. It won't revive the dead, but it may offer new hope to many.
- Rockets and bombs for overseas wars. Tick. - Cuts to Local Authorities, the Fire Service, the Police Service, Mental Health provision, and the ongoing dismantling of the NHS. Tick. - The cheaper option [allegedly] regarding the external cladding of a tower block of flats. Tick. - All under the watch of the Tories, Bliar & Co. and more Tories. Tick.
Just heard one protester saying people are coming from all over the country, saw a tweet earlier echoing that from another calling for back up. Last thing this needs is the anarchy anti-capitalist rent a mob jumping on it.
What a shit couple of months
I think Fish talks rubbish sometimes but travelling from all over the country to protest outside his house is a bit OTT
Haven't seen it officially reported anywhere that he was a council worker, although that doesn't excuse violence.
One picture that's been missed is the one where the guy in the suit is angrily shouting at protestors.
Not sure what the full story is here but that hasn't stopped Daily Express and the like jumping a few selective pictures and portraying just one side as violent.
How's he being violent?
The bloke is being confronted by a yob masked up to presumably hide his identity and some muppet who think it's ideal to wear a fur lined parka on the hottest day of the year.
I suspect a few shops in K&C will be boarding up their windows this weekend as the righteous are on their way down to the smoke.
Of course, they'll make sure everything is resolved, with their unique style of putting the World to rights.
Just spent the evening with a couple of friends I have known for the best part of 25 years in the beautiful sunshine of a lovely beer garden in London. All was normal for us, catching up, reminiscing about old times etc when one of my friends got quite emotional which is unusual from a group of 3 chaps.
Anyway, turns out a good friend/work colleague of his is one of the "faces" in the press currently, almost certainly deceased with his young family and friends in this tragic accident. As he talked about the man I realised he was someone I had met on several ossasions and a genuinely decent man.
even more gutted than I already was tonight, not that I knew the chap well but for my mate and all his colleagues.
Point scoring, protests and all that crap seems completely out of place when we should leave people to grieve, wait for the outcome of investigations and then ensure changes are made when we know what they need to be.
Going to spend this Father's Day with my kids fully understanding how lucky I am.
Haven't seen it officially reported anywhere that he was a council worker, although that doesn't excuse violence.
One picture that's been missed is the one where the guy in the suit is angrily shouting at protestors.
Not sure what the full story is here but that hasn't stopped Daily Express and the like jumping a few selective pictures and portraying just one side as violent.
How's he being violent?
The bloke is being confronted by a yob masked up to presumably hide his identity and some muppet who think it's ideal to wear a fur lined parka on the hottest day of the year.
I suspect a few shops in K&C will be boarding up their windows this weekend as the righteous are on their way down to the smoke.
Of course, they'll make sure everything is resolved, with their unique style of putting the World to rights.
The bloke is being confronted? How do we know who confronted who? The guy's face doesn't exactly tell me he was saying "let's have a cuddle".
Interesting comments on newsnight last night from an experienced solicitor. Suggests government very hasty to pledge public inquiry but this will save them being cross examined under the inquest route; Comments captured in this short video extract-
Haven't seen it officially reported anywhere that he was a council worker, although that doesn't excuse violence.
One picture that's been missed is the one where the guy in the suit is angrily shouting at protestors.
Not sure what the full story is here but that hasn't stopped Daily Express and the like jumping a few selective pictures and portraying just one side as violent.
How's he being violent?
The bloke is being confronted by a yob masked up to presumably hide his identity and some muppet who think it's ideal to wear a fur lined parka on the hottest day of the year.
I suspect a few shops in K&C will be boarding up their windows this weekend as the righteous are on their way down to the smoke.
Of course, they'll make sure everything is resolved, with their unique style of putting the World to rights.
The bloke is being confronted? How do we know who confronted who? The guy's face doesn't exactly tell me he was saying "let's have a cuddle".
Maybe I'm focusing on the wrong people here. I'm not by any means happy with the actions of those blokes who have possibly thrown water at him and/or tried to trip him. That's completely unnecessary behaviour by some nasty opportunists.
But there are thousands of others who are trying to make their voices heard peacefully.
Still, the focus is drifting from the real story onto a few numpties who tried to trip a bloke they may or may not have had an argument with.
Maybe I'm focusing on the wrong people here. I'm not by any means happy with the actions of those blokes who have possibly thrown water at him and/or tried to trip him. That's completely unnecessary behaviour by some nasty opportunists.
But there are thousands of others who are trying to make their voices heard peacefully.
Still, the focus is drifting from the real story onto a few numpties who tried to trip a bloke they may or may not have had an argument with.
About half my flags came about during an argument over bottled mineral water that also involved a rowdy crowd and ethnic tension. They say the wars of the future will be over water - perhaps it is already the future
We have to stop the potential riots. They won't help! Just saw the Prime Minister's interview on newsnight - that won't help. It sounded like she was talking to the electorate rather than the victims. What should have happened was within a few hours of teh disaster, a team of support workers should have been sent in with all the resources they needed to support the residents. Assurances needed to be given - not in Westeminster we'll get down to it speak, but what is happening now.
It needs to be happening now on the streets - money no object. Then maybe somebody they might listen to like Corbyn or community leaders who are respected may help by going there and urging calm. We need to get through the next few days without incident and then hopefully this wont escalate further.
I think the media are not helping here either - they are intruding. This has to be managed with common sense and compassion and quickly.
Throwing bottled mineral water over someone, when will the nightmare end?
Send me your address and a few of my masked mates will wait outside till you come out, we'll all get in your face, chuck some water over you and one of us will volley the back of your legs, see how you get on.
Throwing bottled mineral water over someone, when will the nightmare end?
Send me your address and a few of my masked mates will wait outside till you come out, we'll all get in your face, chuck some water over you and one of us will volley the back of your legs, see how you get on.
Sure thing, address below, see you boys there (if you could make sure it's Highland Spring that would be appreciated);
Makro Car Park Anchor & Hope Business Park Anchor & Hope Lane Charlton SE7 7RZ
Throwing bottled mineral water over someone, when will the nightmare end?
Send me your address and a few of my masked mates will wait outside till you come out, we'll all get in your face, chuck some water over you and one of us will volley the back of your legs, see how you get on.
At least the guy's still alive. I'm unclear why such a minor incident is allowed to deflect from the tragedy in question.
Throwing bottled mineral water over someone, when will the nightmare end?
Send me your address and a few of my masked mates will wait outside till you come out, we'll all get in your face, chuck some water over you and one of us will volley the back of your legs, see how you get on.
At least the guy's still alive. I'm unclear why such a minor incident is allowed to deflect from the tragedy in question.
Any normal thinking human being wants answers and those responsible in allowing this to happen punished. The victims and families affected have a right to be angry, but kicking council workers isn't gonna solve anything and neither is a mob turning up making it even worse.
Throwing bottled mineral water over someone, when will the nightmare end?
Send me your address and a few of my masked mates will wait outside till you come out, we'll all get in your face, chuck some water over you and one of us will volley the back of your legs, see how you get on.
At least the guy's still alive. I'm unclear why such a minor incident is allowed to deflect from the tragedy in question.
As tragic and unbelievably sad it is I don't think it excuses complete dickish behaviour.
Smashing into council offices and being aggressive resulting in town halls being evacuated is only going to hamper efforts to get people rehoused etc.
We've seen the peaceful demonstrations, marches and vigils that are well intentioned but violence and physical aggression should be off the table full stop. Unfortunately there is a militant element of our society who will use any tragedy to push their agendas with force.
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An answer to that is to be found in Green Socialism. I hope that this becomes a reality, soon. It won't revive the dead, but it may offer new hope to many.
- Rockets and bombs for overseas wars. Tick.
- Cuts to Local Authorities, the Fire Service, the Police Service, Mental Health provision, and the ongoing dismantling of the NHS. Tick.
- The cheaper option [allegedly] regarding the external cladding of a tower block of flats. Tick.
- All under the watch of the Tories, Bliar & Co. and more Tories. Tick.
Some may agree that the following is not wholly unconnected to the topic of this thread.
More cuts (aka 'modernisation') at Charing Cross Hospital:
https://theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/16/most-of-central-london-hospital-to-be-sold-off-secret-plans-reveal
It isn't. The disaster is still the story.
I see the SWP have been out in force today.
They need time to fully look into this, no point rushing the investigation.
Obviously priority must be to rehouse these people.
The bloke is being confronted by a yob masked up to presumably hide his identity and some muppet who think it's ideal to wear a fur lined parka on the hottest day of the year.
I suspect a few shops in K&C will be boarding up their windows this weekend as the righteous are on their way down to the smoke.
Of course, they'll make sure everything is resolved, with their unique style of putting the World to rights.
Anyway, turns out a good friend/work colleague of his is one of the "faces" in the press currently, almost certainly deceased with his young family and friends in this tragic accident. As he talked about the man I realised he was someone I had met on several ossasions and a genuinely decent man.
even more gutted than I already was tonight, not that I knew the chap well but for my mate and all his colleagues.
Point scoring, protests and all that crap seems completely out of place when we should leave people to grieve, wait for the outcome of investigations and then ensure changes are made when we know what they need to be.
Going to spend this Father's Day with my kids fully understanding how lucky I am.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-inquest-public-inquiry-theresa-may-government-hide-deaths-kensington-london-a7792891.html
But there are thousands of others who are trying to make their voices heard peacefully.
Still, the focus is drifting from the real story onto a few numpties who tried to trip a bloke they may or may not have had an argument with.
You sure?
It needs to be happening now on the streets - money no object. Then maybe somebody they might listen to like Corbyn or community leaders who are respected may help by going there and urging calm. We need to get through the next few days without incident and then hopefully this wont escalate further.
I think the media are not helping here either - they are intruding. This has to be managed with common sense and compassion and quickly.
"You can't contract out everything to the private sector".
https://channel4.com/news/david-lammy-mp-remembers-friend-grenville-tower-fire-london
Makro Car Park
Anchor & Hope Business Park
Anchor & Hope Lane
Charlton
SE7 7RZ
Smashing into council offices and being aggressive resulting in town halls being evacuated is only going to hamper efforts to get people rehoused etc.
We've seen the peaceful demonstrations, marches and vigils that are well intentioned but violence and physical aggression should be off the table full stop. Unfortunately there is a militant element of our society who will use any tragedy to push their agendas with force.