Latimer Road fire
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fck the media, what about people going about there daily lives and the police that will have to deal with these unsavory wankers!!!!!!!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
A violent protest today is the last thing needed as this is exactly what a lot of the media will use as a distraction against bigger issues.MuttleyCAFC said:
Well,it could be viewed in two ways. I do accept that unsavoury elements may try to hijack the event, but also expect that most protestors would want to show their Rage without violence. It is important they police themselves in that respect. Very important.SoundAsa£ said:
The naming of the protest "Day of Rage" would suggest otherwise wouldn't you say......or am I getting confused!MuttleyCAFC said:I think people are entitled to peaceful protest. If it isn't peaceful that is a different matter and they should be condemned. I'm not sure why you have to bring the EDL into it though - they are scum aren't they?
As the fire and the victims slide off the front pages, I notice that nobody has been taken to task yet. I am feeling rage about that. But, violent protest achieves nothing - the wind is blowing change and violence now only helps those against it.2 -
You seem more upset about something that hasn't happened than you do about the thing that has happened.palarsehater said:
fuck the media, what about people going about there daily lives and the police that will have to deal with these unsavory wankers!!!!!!!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
A violent protest today is the last thing needed as this is exactly what a lot of the media will use as a distraction against bigger issues.MuttleyCAFC said:
Well,it could be viewed in two ways. I do accept that unsavoury elements may try to hijack the event, but also expect that most protestors would want to show their Rage without violence. It is important they police themselves in that respect. Very important.SoundAsa£ said:
The naming of the protest "Day of Rage" would suggest otherwise wouldn't you say......or am I getting confused!MuttleyCAFC said:I think people are entitled to peaceful protest. If it isn't peaceful that is a different matter and they should be condemned. I'm not sure why you have to bring the EDL into it though - they are scum aren't they?
As the fire and the victims slide off the front pages, I notice that nobody has been taken to task yet. I am feeling rage about that. But, violent protest achieves nothing - the wind is blowing change and violence now only helps those against it.4 -
Don't you get tired winding yourself up all the time? Not clever in this weather.palarsehater said:
fuck the media, what about people going about there daily lives and the police that will have to deal with these unsavory wankers!!!!!!!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
A violent protest today is the last thing needed as this is exactly what a lot of the media will use as a distraction against bigger issues.MuttleyCAFC said:
Well,it could be viewed in two ways. I do accept that unsavoury elements may try to hijack the event, but also expect that most protestors would want to show their Rage without violence. It is important they police themselves in that respect. Very important.SoundAsa£ said:
The naming of the protest "Day of Rage" would suggest otherwise wouldn't you say......or am I getting confused!MuttleyCAFC said:I think people are entitled to peaceful protest. If it isn't peaceful that is a different matter and they should be condemned. I'm not sure why you have to bring the EDL into it though - they are scum aren't they?
As the fire and the victims slide off the front pages, I notice that nobody has been taken to task yet. I am feeling rage about that. But, violent protest achieves nothing - the wind is blowing change and violence now only helps those against it.0 -
i've said numerous times that more needs to be done ( from my understanding a enquiry has been launched) that isnt much and the people need to be rehoused, but this hypocritical day of rage shit is a joke, its not required!.Chizz said:
You seem more upset about something that hasn't happened than you do about the thing that has happened.palarsehater said:
fuck the media, what about people going about there daily lives and the police that will have to deal with these unsavory wankers!!!!!!!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
A violent protest today is the last thing needed as this is exactly what a lot of the media will use as a distraction against bigger issues.MuttleyCAFC said:
Well,it could be viewed in two ways. I do accept that unsavoury elements may try to hijack the event, but also expect that most protestors would want to show their Rage without violence. It is important they police themselves in that respect. Very important.SoundAsa£ said:
The naming of the protest "Day of Rage" would suggest otherwise wouldn't you say......or am I getting confused!MuttleyCAFC said:I think people are entitled to peaceful protest. If it isn't peaceful that is a different matter and they should be condemned. I'm not sure why you have to bring the EDL into it though - they are scum aren't they?
As the fire and the victims slide off the front pages, I notice that nobody has been taken to task yet. I am feeling rage about that. But, violent protest achieves nothing - the wind is blowing change and violence now only helps those against it.0 -
I think you just need a big hug - it might help you to calm down.palarsehater said:
i've said numerous times that more needs to be done ( from my understanding a enquiry has been launched) that isnt much and the people need to be rehoused, but this hypocritical day of rage shit is a joke, its not required!.Chizz said:
You seem more upset about something that hasn't happened than you do about the thing that has happened.palarsehater said:
fuck the media, what about people going about there daily lives and the police that will have to deal with these unsavory wankers!!!!!!!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
A violent protest today is the last thing needed as this is exactly what a lot of the media will use as a distraction against bigger issues.MuttleyCAFC said:
Well,it could be viewed in two ways. I do accept that unsavoury elements may try to hijack the event, but also expect that most protestors would want to show their Rage without violence. It is important they police themselves in that respect. Very important.SoundAsa£ said:
The naming of the protest "Day of Rage" would suggest otherwise wouldn't you say......or am I getting confused!MuttleyCAFC said:I think people are entitled to peaceful protest. If it isn't peaceful that is a different matter and they should be condemned. I'm not sure why you have to bring the EDL into it though - they are scum aren't they?
As the fire and the victims slide off the front pages, I notice that nobody has been taken to task yet. I am feeling rage about that. But, violent protest achieves nothing - the wind is blowing change and violence now only helps those against it.0 -
don't you get tired of coming on here and posting your quite poor attempts at satirical humour.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Don't you get tired winding yourself up all the time? Not clever in this weather.palarsehater said:
fuck the media, what about people going about there daily lives and the police that will have to deal with these unsavory wankers!!!!!!!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
A violent protest today is the last thing needed as this is exactly what a lot of the media will use as a distraction against bigger issues.MuttleyCAFC said:
Well,it could be viewed in two ways. I do accept that unsavoury elements may try to hijack the event, but also expect that most protestors would want to show their Rage without violence. It is important they police themselves in that respect. Very important.SoundAsa£ said:
The naming of the protest "Day of Rage" would suggest otherwise wouldn't you say......or am I getting confused!MuttleyCAFC said:I think people are entitled to peaceful protest. If it isn't peaceful that is a different matter and they should be condemned. I'm not sure why you have to bring the EDL into it though - they are scum aren't they?
As the fire and the victims slide off the front pages, I notice that nobody has been taken to task yet. I am feeling rage about that. But, violent protest achieves nothing - the wind is blowing change and violence now only helps those against it.
anyway enough for today as ive now woken chizz and the gang.3 -
Day of RageMuttleyCAFC said:
Well,it could be viewed in two ways. I do accept that unsavoury elements may try to hijack the event, but also expect that most protestors would want to show their Rage without violence. It is important they police themselves in that respect. Very important.SoundAsa£ said:
The naming of the protest "Day of Rage" would suggest otherwise wouldn't you say......or am I getting confused!MuttleyCAFC said:I think people are entitled to peaceful protest. If it isn't peaceful that is a different matter and they should be condemned. I'm not sure why you have to bring the EDL into it though - they are scum aren't they?
As the fire and the victims slide off the front pages, I notice that nobody has been taken to task yet. I am feeling rage about that. But, violent protest achieves nothing - the wind is blowing change and violence now only helps those against it.
MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
- shut down London
- bring down the government
This is not planned to be peaceful!!!4 -
dw pal its the medias fault. they will make it look worse than it is.stonemuse said:
Day of RageMuttleyCAFC said:
Well,it could be viewed in two ways. I do accept that unsavoury elements may try to hijack the event, but also expect that most protestors would want to show their Rage without violence. It is important they police themselves in that respect. Very important.SoundAsa£ said:
The naming of the protest "Day of Rage" would suggest otherwise wouldn't you say......or am I getting confused!MuttleyCAFC said:I think people are entitled to peaceful protest. If it isn't peaceful that is a different matter and they should be condemned. I'm not sure why you have to bring the EDL into it though - they are scum aren't they?
As the fire and the victims slide off the front pages, I notice that nobody has been taken to task yet. I am feeling rage about that. But, violent protest achieves nothing - the wind is blowing change and violence now only helps those against it.
MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
- shut down London
- bring down the government
This is not planned to be peaceful!!!0 -
Don't you get tired of being Mr Angry? I'm pleased to know that my attempts at humour are only quite poor.palarsehater said:
don't you get tired of coming on here and posting your quite poor attempts at satirical humour.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Don't you get tired winding yourself up all the time? Not clever in this weather.palarsehater said:
fuck the media, what about people going about there daily lives and the police that will have to deal with these unsavory wankers!!!!!!!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
A violent protest today is the last thing needed as this is exactly what a lot of the media will use as a distraction against bigger issues.MuttleyCAFC said:
Well,it could be viewed in two ways. I do accept that unsavoury elements may try to hijack the event, but also expect that most protestors would want to show their Rage without violence. It is important they police themselves in that respect. Very important.SoundAsa£ said:
The naming of the protest "Day of Rage" would suggest otherwise wouldn't you say......or am I getting confused!MuttleyCAFC said:I think people are entitled to peaceful protest. If it isn't peaceful that is a different matter and they should be condemned. I'm not sure why you have to bring the EDL into it though - they are scum aren't they?
As the fire and the victims slide off the front pages, I notice that nobody has been taken to task yet. I am feeling rage about that. But, violent protest achieves nothing - the wind is blowing change and violence now only helps those against it.
anyway enough for today as ive now woken chizz and the gang.
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Volunteers at the Clement James Centre, who are working closely with those affected by last weel's tragedy in north Kensington, have spoken out against the demo.stonemuse said:
Day of RageMuttleyCAFC said:
Well,it could be viewed in two ways. I do accept that unsavoury elements may try to hijack the event, but also expect that most protestors would want to show their Rage without violence. It is important they police themselves in that respect. Very important.SoundAsa£ said:
The naming of the protest "Day of Rage" would suggest otherwise wouldn't you say......or am I getting confused!MuttleyCAFC said:I think people are entitled to peaceful protest. If it isn't peaceful that is a different matter and they should be condemned. I'm not sure why you have to bring the EDL into it though - they are scum aren't they?
As the fire and the victims slide off the front pages, I notice that nobody has been taken to task yet. I am feeling rage about that. But, violent protest achieves nothing - the wind is blowing change and violence now only helps those against it.
MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
- shut down London
- bring down the government
This is not planned to be peaceful!!!
One charity worker, Howard Taylor, said: "I cannot emphasise enough how against this many of the affected residents I've spoken to are and they do not want their grief hijacked for any violent or destructive means.
"They're angry, they're grieving but they are working to bring about positive change & action through conversations with the right people."6 - Sponsored links:
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There is no excuse for violence and we should all condemn it if that is what happens.4
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Peaceful protesting is okay in my book. Calling it a day of rage is odd. Volunteering to do something positive trumps any of it. Those volunteers have my utmost respect in all of this, this what the media should be talking aboutstonemuse said:
Volunteers at the Clement James Centre, who are working closely with those affected by last weel's tragedy in north Kensington, have spoken out against the demo.stonemuse said:
Day of RageMuttleyCAFC said:
Well,it could be viewed in two ways. I do accept that unsavoury elements may try to hijack the event, but also expect that most protestors would want to show their Rage without violence. It is important they police themselves in that respect. Very important.SoundAsa£ said:
The naming of the protest "Day of Rage" would suggest otherwise wouldn't you say......or am I getting confused!MuttleyCAFC said:I think people are entitled to peaceful protest. If it isn't peaceful that is a different matter and they should be condemned. I'm not sure why you have to bring the EDL into it though - they are scum aren't they?
As the fire and the victims slide off the front pages, I notice that nobody has been taken to task yet. I am feeling rage about that. But, violent protest achieves nothing - the wind is blowing change and violence now only helps those against it.
MOVEMENT FOR JUSTICE BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
- shut down London
- bring down the government
This is not planned to be peaceful!!!
One charity worker, Howard Taylor, said: "I cannot emphasise enough how against this many of the affected residents I've spoken to are and they do not want their grief hijacked for any violent or destructive means.
"They're angry, they're grieving but they are working to bring about positive change & action through conversations with the right people."5 -
bbc news just said 68 luxury apartments in near by tower block acquired to house victims. That's what I like to hear12
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I honestly don't know why hotels haven't publicly come out and said victims welcome. If I was like a regional head for a premier inn or something, I'd be looking at clearing a floor for them. I know they have been helping, but I've seen very little in the mainstream media of a hotel chain saying victims are welcoming etcRob7Lee said:
That is good, they took my advice then and spoke to the Cadoganscabbles said:bbc news just said 68 luxury apartments in near by tower block acquired to house victims. That's what I like to hear
seriously good news for some of the victims.
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Not brought by RBKC, but by the City of London Corporation as their donation to the relief fund. What it also means if COLC is the landlord, they've got an improvement there as well.Rob7Lee said:
That is good, they took my advice then and spoke to the Cadoganscabbles said:bbc news just said 68 luxury apartments in near by tower block acquired to house victims. That's what I like to hear
seriously good news for some of the victims.
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Agreed, I haven't properly looked but are there that many 'Premier Inn' type hotels around there? If you do a quick search on bookings.com etc not a lot of availability. There was always going to be a longer term solution needed for the people even if the immediate need was more important.cabbles said:
I honestly don't know why hotels haven't publicly come out and said victims welcome. If I was like a regional head for a premier inn or something, I'd be looking at clearing a floor for them. I know they have been helping, but I've seen very little in the mainstream media of a hotel chain saying victims are welcoming etcRob7Lee said:
That is good, they took my advice then and spoke to the Cadoganscabbles said:bbc news just said 68 luxury apartments in near by tower block acquired to house victims. That's what I like to hear
seriously good news for some of the victims.
I could be wrong
I know I joke but I wouldn't be surprised if the Cadogans did stump up. Whoever/however this will really help some of them begin to restart their lives.0 -
Great news.0
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Good news for the residents but this has probably got more to do with someone grabbing an opportunity to dump unsellable flats in a dead central London housing market than altruism.cabbles said:bbc news just said 68 luxury apartments in near by tower block acquired to house victims. That's what I like to hear
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Cynicism at it's finest.SantaClaus said:
Good news for the residents but this has probably got more to do with someone grabbing an opportunity to dump unsellable flats in a dead central London housing market than altruism.cabbles said:bbc news just said 68 luxury apartments in near by tower block acquired to house victims. That's what I like to hear
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BTW, while its a great bit of buying, it is also worth noting that these flats were always going to be social housing, and make up the percentage that the builder was required to build. Not a case of the £2m flats being handed over on the cheap.1
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There's 4 in the local vicinity and I tweeted them and one of their employees said they had been cooperating etc, but then I kept reading of stories of people sleeping in their cars.Rob7Lee said:
Agreed, I haven't properly looked but are there that many 'Premier Inn' type hotels around there? If you do a quick search on bookings.com etc not a lot of availability. There was always going to be a longer term solution needed for the people even if the immediate need was more important.cabbles said:
I honestly don't know why hotels haven't publicly come out and said victims welcome. If I was like a regional head for a premier inn or something, I'd be looking at clearing a floor for them. I know they have been helping, but I've seen very little in the mainstream media of a hotel chain saying victims are welcoming etcRob7Lee said:
That is good, they took my advice then and spoke to the Cadoganscabbles said:bbc news just said 68 luxury apartments in near by tower block acquired to house victims. That's what I like to hear
seriously good news for some of the victims.
I could be wrong
I know I joke but I wouldn't be surprised if the Cadogans did stump up. Whoever/however this will really help some of them begin to restart their lives.0 -
It was reported yesterday that all residents now have a roof over their heads. Sorry I forget who said this.cabbles said:
There's 4 in the local vicinity and I tweeted them and one of their employees said they had been cooperating etc, but then I kept reading of stories of people sleeping in their cars.Rob7Lee said:
Agreed, I haven't properly looked but are there that many 'Premier Inn' type hotels around there? If you do a quick search on bookings.com etc not a lot of availability. There was always going to be a longer term solution needed for the people even if the immediate need was more important.cabbles said:
I honestly don't know why hotels haven't publicly come out and said victims welcome. If I was like a regional head for a premier inn or something, I'd be looking at clearing a floor for them. I know they have been helping, but I've seen very little in the mainstream media of a hotel chain saying victims are welcoming etcRob7Lee said:
That is good, they took my advice then and spoke to the Cadoganscabbles said:bbc news just said 68 luxury apartments in near by tower block acquired to house victims. That's what I like to hear
seriously good news for some of the victims.
I could be wrong
I know I joke but I wouldn't be surprised if the Cadogans did stump up. Whoever/however this will really help some of them begin to restart their lives.
It took way, way too long and some will have to move from current hotels due to previous bookings.
Did K&C council have elections recently? I will be surprised if this is forgotten come the next local elections. If they are not in jail by then and still seeking power, I can't see anyone with a conscience voting for the current mob.0 -
I would like to know why one of the minsiters involved in the leaked letters stopped tweeting after the fire on 14 June - no comment giving sympathy or anything? Loads of activity before and nothing afterwards.
https://twitter.com/EricPickles?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author0 -
Lawyered up?MuttleyCAFC said:I would like to know why one of the minsiters involved in the leaked letters stopped tweeting after the fire on 14 June - no comment giving sympathy or anything? Loads of activity before and nothing afterwards.
https://twitter.com/EricPickles?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author0 -
Guilty conscience?MuttleyCAFC said:I would like to know why one of the minsiters involved in the leaked letters stopped tweeting after the fire on 14 June - no comment giving sympathy or anything? Loads of activity before and nothing afterwards.
https://twitter.com/EricPickles?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author0 -
He's a wanker?MuttleyCAFC said:I would like to know why one of the minsiters involved in the leaked letters stopped tweeting after the fire on 14 June - no comment giving sympathy or anything? Loads of activity before and nothing afterwards.
https://twitter.com/EricPickles?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author0 -
Nailed it.stonemuse said:
He's a wanker?MuttleyCAFC said:I would like to know why one of the minsiters involved in the leaked letters stopped tweeting after the fire on 14 June - no comment giving sympathy or anything? Loads of activity before and nothing afterwards.
https://twitter.com/EricPickles?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author0 -
I can honestly say that in all the years of using Charlton forums I have never come across a thread with such polarised opinion and ridiculous judgmental assumptions.....most of them clearly made on purely political grounds.
IMHO the crucial part of the matter is whether or not this material was passed as safe to use in The UK or not......... in the way it was.
Were there outright restrictions on it being used for this type of project.....or only recommendations on how it should be used?
My beef is looking to blame the authorities who gave this product an OK to be used in The UK at all......not those who unwittingly used it.
Until then it's all guesswork as to whether or not the law has been broken or if there's any actual legal 'professional' blame that can be laid at anyone's door.
My personal calculated guess is that laws have not been broken.....but like everyone else I'll have to wait and see, without jumping to political point winning assumptions.8 -
How long are you happy to wait?SoundAsa£ said:I can honestly say that in all the years of using Charlton forums I have never come across a thread with such polarised opinion and ridiculous judgmental assumptions.....most of them clearly made on purely political grounds.
IMHO the crucial part of the matter is whether or not this material was passed as safe to use in The UK or not......... in the way it was.
Were there outright restrictions on it being used for this type of project.....or only recommendations on how it should be used?
My beef is looking to blame the authorities who gave this product an OK to be used in The UK at all......not those who unwittingly used it.
Until then it's all guesswork as to whether or not the law has been broken or if there's any actual legal 'professional' blame that can be laid at anyone's door.
My personal calculated guess is that laws have not been broken.....but like everyone else I'll have to wait and see, without jumping to political point winning assumptions.0
