That is all so lame I mean if bowyer was trying to do Solly a favour by covering up an injury surely it would mean they would have discussed things and if not weird , proper fucking weirdos the pair of em . If I was Solly and I hadn’t agreed to it I’d be banging on the Bowyer you’re a twunt drum
But he's not covered up an injury... He's claimed that Solly doesnt want to play
Yes, the weird bit is by saying Solly doesn’t want to play the only justification for that is to try and cover up the fresh injury
and if no discussion had and Solly didn’t like that route he surely comes out pretty soon after the event saying wtf you going on about bowyer I did wanna play but was injured ....
For me, you sign up for a season, you aren't in reality signing up until the date 30th June, you are signing up to play for the entire season and then a little bit of extra time so you have continuous employment.
In my opinion, refusing to extend a contract to the end of a season makes you a prick. You might not be violating the contract, but you are going against the "spirit" of the contract.
Having said that, I don't really care. When I think of Chris Solly I don't think of him in the final couple of seasons, I remember seasons like when we went up as champions.
Lyle Taylor is a scumbag, through and through, Chris Solly is a decent guy who probably didn't want to hang around sitting on a bench any more wasting his time and our money.
I find that scenario really hard to believe, especially as Bowyer himself moaned that he had no cover at RB (and it was never likely that Matthews could play 9 games in a short period)
Especially as Solly was the club captain, so would have an important role in the dressing room, even if not playing
Would Bowyer really freeze Solly out to save one month's wages (for the extension to the end of the season) rather than just not picking him and letting him leave after that?
And why have Solly and the PFA not issued ANY statement yet, 4 months later if what Bowyer said was a complete lie and potentially slanderous?
I also find it really hard to believe. Taylor came out and defended himself at the time, why wouldn’t Solly.
Bowyer has it in him to be a complete c**t shocker. At the minute he is the club, deal with it.
I think this is stupid comment. I’m not surprised “Bowyer has it in him to be a complete c***”. I’m not even totally against it. But to do that to Solly, a player who played over 300 games over a decade is absolutely disgusting. It left the fans angry at a player who should have received our best wishes.
I find that scenario really hard to believe, especially as Bowyer himself moaned that he had no cover at RB (and it was never likely that Matthews could play 9 games in a short period)
Especially as Solly was the club captain, so would have an important role in the dressing room, even if not playing
Would Bowyer really freeze Solly out to save one month's wages (for the extension to the end of the season) rather than just not picking him and letting him leave after that?
And why have Solly and the PFA not issued ANY statement yet, 4 months later if what Bowyer said was a complete lie and potentially slanderous?
I also find it really hard to believe. Taylor came out and defended himself at the time, why wouldn’t Solly.
Taylor defended himself because he had actually done what Bowyer had said about him, and he was going on a woe is me damage limitation exercise. If what has been said today is the case then Solly's situation is a lot more delicate
I find that scenario really hard to believe, especially as Bowyer himself moaned that he had no cover at RB (and it was never likely that Matthews could play 9 games in a short period)
Especially as Solly was the club captain, so would have an important role in the dressing room, even if not playing
Would Bowyer really freeze Solly out to save one month's wages (for the extension to the end of the season) rather than just not picking him and letting him leave after that?
And why have Solly and the PFA not issued ANY statement yet, 4 months later if what Bowyer said was a complete lie and potentially slanderous?
I also find it really hard to believe. Taylor came out and defended himself at the time, why wouldn’t Solly.
I guess those who know they're in the wrong feel they need to come out and explain themselves
Solly on the other hand has no doubt felt in the right so has nothing hanging on his mind
No different to Southall who wanted to sue everyone for revealing the truth about him, if you've nothing to worry about you'd laugh it off and ignore it
Right I have been sat on information for a while its the reason I started on this thread by slagging Solly off and over the past month or so I havent said anything, I was asked by the person not to say anything but tbh I think its in the interest of fans sticking together that all the information is out there.
So this is what I know and it comes from someone close to Chris himself.
Chris and Lee had an arguement and then Chris picked up an injury non knee related and Bowyer decided to use this as an excuse to not play him and decided instead of telling fans he was injured to just say he decided not to play along with Taylor.
Chris has been in contact with the PFA since then and is trying to work out a statement with them.
He done a goodbye interview with the club, but someone at the club(senior management refused to let it go out).
And that is everything I know, sorry I havent said anything sooner but I was waiting to find out if I would get in trouble releasing this information but the person I asked not gonna name names hasn't got back to me and this is rumbling on and I think needs to be fully known now
paulie, I'm not doubting you but I don't quite understand. If Solly had an injury how could he have played? Plus Solly wasn't playing anyway as Matthews had the right back slot?
on the few occasions I get to/went to the Valley I always sit just behind the Addicks dugout .. I have noticed that Bowyer was always on at Solly 'move it quicker, get up the pitch, pass it forward' .. I got the idea that a) Bowyer was constantly frustrated and annoyed with Solly and that .. b) Solly was pissed off with being constantly being criticised especially when his legs had gone .. whatever, he should have seen out his contract .. covid19 has given a lot of people a good excuse to avoid their responsibilities
Bowyer has already said Solly didn’t want to play. What more is there to say ?
Because you've only heard Bowyer's side of events
If you were Solly and have been potentially docked wages or even dragged through the mud which you feel wasnt fair or right... What are you going to do?
Honour the contract that you signed?
Like I say, you're hearing one side of the story that is never going to speak favourably of the player
Because thats the angle that suits them
I pray you never go on Jury Service, you'll hear one side of the argument, claim the person is guilty and want to go home
Spill the beans then?
If I went on jury service I would listen to both sides of the story and make a decision on the facts presented. Saying I would listen to one side and go home is a bit of a dick statement when you dont know me.
at the moment, we have been told that Chris solly didn’t want to honour his contract or extend it to cover the rest of the season. It appears he let the club and its supporters (us) down.
If I had played for a club for my entire career, was given a testimonial and had captained the club, I would want to defend myself if I was innocent. Chris solly hasn’t done that! Why?
so, using your jury service comment....if I was in a jury and was presented with the facts that we have been presented with, I would find Chris silly guilty if not honouring his contract and letting his team mates down.
as I said with my opening comment, spill the beans then. I’ll take the new evidence on board.
Bowyer has already said Solly didn’t want to play. What more is there to say ?
Because you've only heard Bowyer's side of events
If you were Solly and have been potentially docked wages or even dragged through the mud which you feel wasnt fair or right... What are you going to do?
Honour the contract that you signed?
Like I say, you're hearing one side of the story that is never going to speak favourably of the player
Because thats the angle that suits them
I pray you never go on Jury Service, you'll hear one side of the argument, claim the person is guilty and want to go home
Spill the beans then?
If I went on jury service I would listen to both sides of the story and make a decision on the facts presented.
at the moment, we have been told that Chris solly didn’t want to honour his contract or extend it to cover the rest of the season. It appears he let the club and its supporters (us) down.
If I had played for a club for my entire career, was given a testimonial and had captained the club, I would want to defend myself if I was innocent. Chris solly hasn’t done that!
so, using your jury service comment....if I was in a jury and was presented with the facts that we have been presented with, I would find Chris silly guilty if not honouring his contract and letting his team mates down.
as I said with my opening comment, spill the beans then. I’ll take the new evidence on board.
Paulie's comment does just that... He'd told me and gave me the sources, he was happy for me to give what details I could (was hoping people would read between the lines) but then he got fed up so posted what he knew.
As he says he wasnt sure if it should have been posted which is why he'd been holding off
Your comment contradicts yourself though... You first say that you'd listen to all the evidence if on jury service then you say that because Solly hasnt bothered giving his account it makes him guilty
To me that means he's got nothing on his conscious so shouldn't have to explain himself before he needs to as he's not done a Lyle Taylor
Lee Bowyer has gone down in my estimates if that's true - however why didn't Solly just release something himself through SLP or other channels?
It's a difficult one all round unfortunately.
Whilst at first sight it looks a bit shitty tarring Chris with the Taylor / Davis refusing to play brush publicising that he (Solly) was injured, given his record, might have jeopardised any potential move although, that said, suggesting someone won't play doesn't exactly enhance their reputation although it seemingly did Taylor no harm.
I think we can conclude, as many of us have said all along, that it is not as straightforward as Solly 'refusing to play.'
This is kind of where I am now.
At first I was like like WTF why would Bowyer do that, he made me hate a player who had spent his whole career at this club, and then after a while I was like you and started thinking maybe in his head Bowyer thought it was the better option for Solly, rather than clubs thinking he was not only injured but it wasn't even knee related that he just decided not to play for safety reasons.
I dont know why nothing official has still come out, not sure how long the PFA take with these things normally.
Didn’t smith get sent back to Man City because he picked up a minor injury and the intensity of matches ruled him out. Why wouldn’t the club say the same thing about solly. At the moment, the solly argument doesn’t add up yetWhy couldn’t either dude say this?
Bowyer has already said Solly didn’t want to play. What more is there to say ?
Because you've only heard Bowyer's side of events
If you were Solly and have been potentially docked wages or even dragged through the mud which you feel wasnt fair or right... What are you going to do?
Honour the contract that you signed?
Like I say, you're hearing one side of the story that is never going to speak favourably of the player
Because thats the angle that suits them
I pray you never go on Jury Service, you'll hear one side of the argument, claim the person is guilty and want to go home
Spill the beans then?
If I went on jury service I would listen to both sides of the story and make a decision on the facts presented.
at the moment, we have been told that Chris solly didn’t want to honour his contract or extend it to cover the rest of the season. It appears he let the club and its supporters (us) down.
If I had played for a club for my entire career, was given a testimonial and had captained the club, I would want to defend myself if I was innocent. Chris solly hasn’t done that!
so, using your jury service comment....if I was in a jury and was presented with the facts that we have been presented with, I would find Chris silly guilty if not honouring his contract and letting his team mates down.
as I said with my opening comment, spill the beans then. I’ll take the new evidence on board.
Paulie's comment does just that... He'd told me and gave me the sources, he was happy for me to give what details I could (was hoping people would read between the lines) but then he got fed up so posted what he knew.
As he says he wasnt sure if it should have been posted which is why he'd been holding off
Your comment contradicts yourself though... You first say that you'd listen to all the evidence if on jury service then you say that because Solly hasnt bothered giving his account it makes him guilty
To me that means he's got nothing on his conscious so shouldn't have to explain himself before he needs to as he's not done a Lyle Taylor
No, you just chose not to take on board what I typed.
if I was on a jury and the prosecution provided evidence but the defense didn’t, I would make a decision based on the evidence provided, which for the last 4 months has only been the clubs version. If the defense also provided evidence, I would listen to that and consider both sides.
at the time you posted, Pauli hadn’t posted. So I had only one side of the argument.
So no, not contradictory at all.
In fact, you are the one being contradictory. You are saying people need to make judgement on both sides of the argument, fine. But you made a judgement on me based on one very short sentence. As I said previously, that was a dick thing to do.
I said that Chris solly should have honored his contract. He should have and that's a fact. Solly, Taylor, Davis plus others at other clubs such as the 3 from Hull, should have honored their contracts and made themselves available for those three games. So @foreverAddickted how does me saying that make me not suitable for jury service??????
Lee Bowyer has gone down in my estimates if that's true - however why didn't Solly just release something himself through SLP or other channels?
It's a difficult one all round unfortunately.
Whilst at first sight it looks a bit shitty tarring Chris with the Taylor / Davis refusing to play brush publicising that he (Solly) was injured, given his record, might have jeopardised any potential move although, that said, suggesting someone won't play doesn't exactly enhance their reputation although it seemingly did Taylor no harm.
I think we can conclude, as many of us have said all along, that it is not as straightforward as Solly 'refusing to play.'
This is kind of where I am now.
At first I was like like WTF why would Bowyer do that, he made me hate a player who had spent his whole career at this club, and then after a while I was like you and started thinking maybe in his head Bowyer thought it was the better option for Solly, rather than clubs thinking he was not only injured but it wasn't even knee related that he just decided not to play for safety reasons.
I dont know why nothing official has still come out, not sure how long the PFA take with these things normally.
Didn’t smith get sent back to Man City because he picked up a minor injury and the intensity of matches ruled him out. Why wouldn’t the club say the same thing about solly. At the moment, the solly argument doesn’t add up yetWhy couldn’t either dude say this?
Perhaps because this in the hands of lawyers representing Solly through the PFA? I don't know that for a fact but, very often, silence is an indication that the consequences of either side opening their mouths weakens their respective cases.
The other thing is that we haven't heard of Solly actually being on trial with anyone or that he has retired. If you are not willing to play because you are protecting yourself from injury one would assume that you would appear somewhere.
I regret Ladies and Gentlemen there is nothing to see here. Nothing that has not been seen thousands of time before.
Some really do not understand the culture of the professional dressing room.
Jeez playing 6 levels lower there is no half way house. If you are standing in the dressing room in a group of 17 - 20 waiting to find out if you have got a game, sitting on the bench or heading for the club boardroom to pick up your non appearence brown envelope, or to the stands to watch the game you are relevant.
If you are not there you are not relevant.
If you can contribute to the cause you are in. If you cannot you are a distraction.
How many times do you need to hear a coach or Manager say
"I am focused on the players who are here".
Thats the deal.
If you are on the first team training pitch the coaches and managers focus is solely on securing results. If you are not there you are irrelevant.
Harsh but that is how it works.
The personal stuff when players are not "in the bubble" is another issue.
In the face of a relegation battle, in a season decimated by unprecedented injury, the last thing a Manager needs to hear is I cannot or I am unwilling to contribute.
Injured or not, did Solly sign the contract extension to see the season out?
If he did not then I respect his choice. I have no need to get behind the reasons but if he did not then to a Manager who. at that point, needs everybody he can get then he is as much use as a fart in the wind.
You do not get to make the call. I do not get to make the call. The Manager sets the benchmarks, sets the expectations, sets the standards he expects. He is not there to be popular.
There is no debate.
Where is the act of petulance?
In advising the player had not signed a contract to play?
or
actually not signing the contract?
In the circumstances where Solly was not being selected in front of Matthews, and he is not going to get a contract for next season, you do not rate me, the obvious equation is why bother?
Yet for Bowyer the message is the same as it is every single day. It cannot change. You are either signed into the programme or you are not.
I repeat there is no halfway house.
I suspect both parties feel let down yet neither needs to feel it reflects poorly on the contribution of both parties to the club.
I’ve not been to many of the dinners where the players go, duchatelet put a dampener on that. I was fortunate to be asked to go with a group a few years ago and spoke to Solly a fair bit.
Very decent man, above decent and highly principled.
Without doubt he will have been gutted to leave Charlton with all this rumour around it and allegations of him leaving us in the lurch. I hope in time the Club will honour him appropriately (yes I know he’s had his testimonial already that’s not what I mean)
on the few occasions I get to/went to the Valley I always sit just behind the Addicks dugout .. I have noticed that Bowyer was always on at Solly 'move it quicker, get up the pitch, pass it forward' .. I got the idea that a) Bowyer was constantly frustrated and annoyed with Solly and that .. b) Solly was pissed off with being constantly being criticised especially when his legs had gone .. whatever, he should have seen out his contract .. covid19 has given a lot of people a good excuse to avoid their responsibilities
Two things he was the captain so any winges or requests would probably go via Solly, hes also a senior player and plays closest to Bowyer.
Well I think quite a few of us have posted in the past without being in the know that there must be more to this story. I honestly can't see him coming out & saying that he wouldn't play the 3 games that he would be contracted for ( when he probably wouldn't even be expecting to play) after spending all his career with us & having just had a testimonial, it just doesn't make sense.
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and if no discussion had and Solly didn’t like that route he surely comes out pretty soon after the event saying wtf you going on about bowyer I did wanna play but was injured ....
In my opinion, refusing to extend a contract to the end of a season makes you a prick. You might not be violating the contract, but you are going against the "spirit" of the contract.
Having said that, I don't really care. When I think of Chris Solly I don't think of him in the final couple of seasons, I remember seasons like when we went up as champions.
Lyle Taylor is a scumbag, through and through, Chris Solly is a decent guy who probably didn't want to hang around sitting on a bench any more wasting his time and our money.
Solly on the other hand has no doubt felt in the right so has nothing hanging on his mind
No different to Southall who wanted to sue everyone for revealing the truth about him, if you've nothing to worry about you'd laugh it off and ignore it
If Solly had an injury how could he have played?
Plus Solly wasn't playing anyway as Matthews had the right back slot?
If I went on jury service I would listen to both sides of the story and make a decision on the facts presented. Saying I would listen to one side and go home is a bit of a dick statement when you dont know me.
at the moment, we have been told that Chris solly didn’t want to honour his contract or extend it to cover the rest of the season. It appears he let the club and its supporters (us) down.
If I had played for a club for my entire career, was given a testimonial and had captained the club, I would want to defend myself if I was innocent. Chris solly hasn’t done that! Why?
so, using your jury service comment....if I was in a jury and was presented with the facts that we have been presented with, I would find Chris silly guilty if not honouring his contract and letting his team mates down.
as I said with my opening comment, spill the beans then. I’ll take the new evidence on board.
As he says he wasnt sure if it should have been posted which is why he'd been holding off
Your comment contradicts yourself though... You first say that you'd listen to all the evidence if on jury service then you say that because Solly hasnt bothered giving his account it makes him guilty
To me that means he's got nothing on his conscious so shouldn't have to explain himself before he needs to as he's not done a Lyle Taylor
if I was on a jury and the prosecution provided evidence but the defense didn’t, I would make a decision based on the evidence provided, which for the last 4 months has only been the clubs version. If the defense also provided evidence, I would listen to that and consider both sides.
at the time you posted, Pauli hadn’t posted. So I had only one side of the argument.
In fact, you are the one being contradictory. You are saying people need to make judgement on both sides of the argument, fine. But you made a judgement on me based on one very short sentence. As I said previously, that was a dick thing to do.
I said that Chris solly should have honored his contract. He should have and that's a fact. Solly, Taylor, Davis plus others at other clubs such as the 3 from Hull, should have honored their contracts and made themselves available for those three games. So @foreverAddickted how does me saying that make me not suitable for jury service??????
Perhaps because this in the hands of lawyers representing Solly through the PFA? I don't know that for a fact but, very often, silence is an indication that the consequences of either side opening their mouths weakens their respective cases.
The other thing is that we haven't heard of Solly actually being on trial with anyone or that he has retired. If you are not willing to play because you are protecting yourself from injury one would assume that you would appear somewhere.
Some really do not understand the culture of the professional dressing room.
Jeez playing 6 levels lower there is no half way house. If you are standing in the dressing room in a group of 17 - 20 waiting to find out if you have got a game, sitting on the bench or heading for the club boardroom to pick up your non appearence brown envelope, or to the stands to watch the game you are relevant.
If you are not there you are not relevant.
If you can contribute to the cause you are in. If you cannot you are a distraction.
How many times do you need to hear a coach or Manager say
"I am focused on the players who are here".
Thats the deal.
If you are on the first team training pitch the coaches and managers focus is solely on securing results. If you are not there you are irrelevant.
Harsh but that is how it works.
The personal stuff when players are not "in the bubble" is another issue.
In the face of a relegation battle, in a season decimated by unprecedented injury, the last thing a Manager needs to hear is I cannot or I am unwilling to contribute.
Injured or not, did Solly sign the contract extension to see the season out?
If he did not then I respect his choice. I have no need to get behind the reasons but if he did not then to a Manager who. at that point, needs everybody he can get then he is as much use as a fart in the wind.
You do not get to make the call. I do not get to make the call. The Manager sets the benchmarks, sets the expectations, sets the standards he expects. He is not there to be popular.
There is no debate.
Where is the act of petulance?
In advising the player had not signed a contract to play?
or
actually not signing the contract?
In the circumstances where Solly was not being selected in front of Matthews, and he is not going to get a contract for next season, you do not rate me, the obvious equation is why bother?
Yet for Bowyer the message is the same as it is every single day. It cannot change. You are either signed into the programme or you are not.
I repeat there is no halfway house.
I suspect both parties feel let down yet neither needs to feel it reflects poorly on the contribution of both parties to the club.
And neither should we.
Unbelievable