Anyone more understanding of guns can correct me but why else would he be wearing gloves if he didn’t plan on somehow getting away? You’d assume they’d have his name and details anyway through the hotel but it doesn’t add up to me. Add on the sheer amounts of guns in the room as well as cameras in the room and outside it seems to me more will come out about this as it goes on.
Heat. I believe the smoke from the gun set the fire alarm off in his room.
Anyone more understanding of guns can correct me but why else would he be wearing gloves if he didn’t plan on somehow getting away? You’d assume they’d have his name and details anyway through the hotel but it doesn’t add up to me. Add on the sheer amounts of guns in the room as well as cameras in the room and outside it seems to me more will come out about this as it goes on.
Heat. I believe the smoke from the gun set the fire alarm off in his room.
It also provides better grip - both from the material of the glove and from preventing sweat from being an issue.
Some people (admittedly not many) wear driving gloves for the same reason.
Anyone more understanding of guns can correct me but why else would he be wearing gloves if he didn’t plan on somehow getting away? You’d assume they’d have his name and details anyway through the hotel but it doesn’t add up to me. Add on the sheer amounts of guns in the room as well as cameras in the room and outside it seems to me more will come out about this as it goes on.
Heat. I believe the smoke from the gun set the fire alarm off in his room.
It also provides better grip - both from the material of the glove and from preventing sweat from being an issue.
Some people (admittedly not many) wear driving gloves for the same reason.
Not much point banning the sale of fully automatic weapons, when anyone can go and buy a bump stock device that turns their semi automatic into a fully automatic for about $200.
And these haven't even been around for long, less than 8 years in fact. The US government gave its seal of approval to selling them in 2010 after concluding that they did not violate federal law.
Not much point banning the sale of fully automatic weapons, when anyone can go and buy a bump stock device that turns their semi automatic into a fully automatic for about $200.
And these haven't even been around for long, less than 8 years in fact. The US government gave its seal of approval to selling them in 2010 after concluding that they did not violate federal law.
I'm assuming also that the NRA will continue to push for gun controls to be relaxed. How many guns does the US need?
Anyone more understanding of guns can correct me but why else would he be wearing gloves if he didn’t plan on somehow getting away? You’d assume they’d have his name and details anyway through the hotel but it doesn’t add up to me. Add on the sheer amounts of guns in the room as well as cameras in the room and outside it seems to me more will come out about this as it goes on.
Heat. I believe the smoke from the gun set the fire alarm off in his room.
The most amazing stat is that of the 547 injured and taken to the hospital, not one has died. That is quite a performance by that staff.
Pretty sure that's not right, just going by the details of just one story I've read about someone killed there.
Now guys, if you want to be really gobsmacked, read the story of how US police trace who owns a weapon used in the commission of a crime. Now this story dates back to August 2016, so maybe things have improved since then, but the paranoia of the NRA types is making this job far harder than it should be.
Incredible - so they can't have a searchable database of gun owners, all thanks to NRA lobbying. WTF?? That just defies logic. I think as an anecdote to the gun issue in america, that article is right up there. Thanks for posting @aliwibble
In 2000 I went on a business trip to Dallas, Texas. Before I went a Texan working in the UK told me there were 17 million people in Texas and 68 million guns (i.e. 4 for every man, woman and child). He also said that if I heard gunfire in the street and saw the police coming to get as far away as possible as Texan police tend to shoot first and ask questions later (if they can...). But with those numbers you can kind of understand why they tend to shoot first...
In 2000 I went on a business trip to Dallas, Texas. Before I went a Texan working in the UK told me there were 17 million people in Texas and 68 million guns (i.e. 4 for every man, woman and child). He also said that if I heard gunfire in the street and saw the police coming to get as far away as possible as Texan police tend to shoot first and ask questions later (if they can...). But with those numbers you can kind of understand why they tend to shoot first...
Must be a great job being a gun salesman in the USA. Is it possible for the NRA to lobby for embryos and dead people to be armed?
The most amazing stat is that of the 547 injured and taken to the hospital, not one has died. That is quite a performance by that staff.
Pretty sure that's not right, just going by the details of just one story I've read about someone killed there.
Now guys, if you want to be really gobsmacked, read the story of how US police trace who owns a weapon used in the commission of a crime. Now this story dates back to August 2016, so maybe things have improved since then, but the paranoia of the NRA types is making this job far harder than it should be.
Our National Institute of Health, who do a lot of cutting edge research on all kinds of health related topics, are not allowed to study gun violence because of the gun lobby. Whenever there are mass shootings people who are vehemently pro-gun, (which I should note is not every American or southerner or gun owner) will say "oh well they had mental health problems." It would be GREAT if the NIH could actually do studies on gun violence to see how many people showed signs of mental health issues beforehand. It might even improve mental health care in this country, which would be fantastic. I say that as someone who suffers from mental health problems. But no such luck.
And that is of course before we get into the fact that this self same pro-gun party are also the ones trying to take mental health care away from tens of millions of Americans.
The most amazing stat is that of the 547 injured and taken to the hospital, not one has died. That is quite a performance by that staff.
Pretty sure that's not right, just going by the details of just one story I've read about someone killed there.
Now guys, if you want to be really gobsmacked, read the story of how US police trace who owns a weapon used in the commission of a crime. Now this story dates back to August 2016, so maybe things have improved since then, but the paranoia of the NRA types is making this job far harder than it should be.
Our National Institute of Health, who do a lot of cutting edge research on all kinds of health related topics, are not allowed to study gun violence because of the gun lobby. Whenever there are mass shootings people who are vehemently pro-gun, (which I should note is not every American or southerner or gun owner) will say "oh well they had mental health problems." It would be GREAT if the NIH could actually do studies on gun violence to see how many people showed signs of mental health issues beforehand. It might even improve mental health care in this country, which would be fantastic. I say that as someone who suffers from mental health problems. But no such luck.
And that is of course before we get into the fact that this self same pro-gun party are also the ones trying to take mental health care away from tens of millions of Americans.
I imagine a large percentage of people suffer from mental health issues at some stage in their life - hard to screen for this.
If somebody is very stressed or unhappy or angry it's possible they will use a gun to deal with their issues. The NRA would argue it's a risk worth taking to protect a basic freedom.
If somebody is depressed and is contemplating suicide I should imagine having a gun makes it more likely.
Not the most reliable of news sources but it's an interesting insight into the issues around increasing gun control in the US.
Not a reason to not do it in my view but an interesting take.
Points about background checks/mental health/finance checks/listening/regulation etc cab be brought in from this point forward.
Assault rifles should be banned. There is just never a need for civilians to carry one. End of.
I admit it is harder to deal with those already in possession. But bringing in changes from now on is a good starting point. Things can be phased out over time.
I hope more US citizens get the chance to own automatic weapons in case there is a repeat of events in Vegas. A lot of the gun stock in the US is a little outdated and it will be good if people can update their weapons.
As the NRA said there should be more focus on lives SAVED by guns rather than lives lost.
It's quite sickening how the anti-gun lobby have tried to score petty political points after events in Vegas. I'm sure Trump won't let these fools bully him.
I recall some study showing that whilst a minority, an alarming number of people are psychopaths. The vast majority do not kill people of course and it can be an advantage in dog eat dog proffessions. Psychopaths are usually described as lacking empathy. I think the jist is that when people with psychopathy imagine others experiencing pain, brain regions associated with empathy and concern for others fail to activate or connect with brain areas involved in emotional processing and decision-making. I think nearly a quarter of prisoners were said to be psychopaths.
This may explain why those of us who are not psychopaths have such difficulty in understanding how anybody can carry out an act like this. If doctors/psychiatrists are able to identify people whith psychopathic tendencies, one solution for America, may be to ensure these people are not allowed to access or own guns.
I recall some study showing that whilst a minority, an alarming number of people are psychopaths. The vast majority do not kill people of course and it can be an advantage in dog eat dog proffessions. Psychopaths are usually described as lacking empathy. I think the jist is that when people with psychopathy imagine others experiencing pain, brain regions associated with empathy and concern for others fail to activate or connect with brain areas involved in emotional processing and decision-making. I think nearly a quarter of prisoners were said to be psychopaths.
This may explain why those of us who are not psychopaths have such difficulty in understanding how anybody can carry out an act like this. If doctors/psychiatrists are able to identify people whith psychopathic tendencies, one solution for America, may be to ensure these people are not allowed to access or own guns.
The psychopath theory is an interesting one. Some very high profile human beings a lot of us would see as role models are absolutely psychopaths or at the very least show psychopathic tendencies. Richard Branson is one, a lot of managers or professional sports teams are too, and a great deal of professional sportspeople. This sounds a bit OTT at first glance but do your research and tell me I'm wrong. A lot of people confuse this with "driven" or "single minded"
I have expressed it on a couple of occasions but I firmly believe Duchatalet shows distinct signs of psychopathic tendencies. Didn’t his wife/partner express how he had difficulty taking on board other people’s points of view and emotions. She finished by saying.....“But he is improving” and those were her exact words! I rest my case.
I recall some study showing that whilst a minority, an alarming number of people are psychopaths. The vast majority do not kill people of course and it can be an advantage in dog eat dog proffessions. Psychopaths are usually described as lacking empathy. I think the jist is that when people with psychopathy imagine others experiencing pain, brain regions associated with empathy and concern for others fail to activate or connect with brain areas involved in emotional processing and decision-making. I think nearly a quarter of prisoners were said to be psychopaths.
This may explain why those of us who are not psychopaths have such difficulty in understanding how anybody can carry out an act like this. If doctors/psychiatrists are able to identify people whith psychopathic tendencies, one solution for America, may be to ensure these people are not allowed to access or own guns.
Good idea but Obama's executive order to prevent people with some mental health disorders owning guns was withdrawn by Trump.
They won't make it harder, they've made it easier.
I recall some study showing that whilst a minority, an alarming number of people are psychopaths. The vast majority do not kill people of course and it can be an advantage in dog eat dog proffessions. Psychopaths are usually described as lacking empathy. I think the jist is that when people with psychopathy imagine others experiencing pain, brain regions associated with empathy and concern for others fail to activate or connect with brain areas involved in emotional processing and decision-making. I think nearly a quarter of prisoners were said to be psychopaths.
This may explain why those of us who are not psychopaths have such difficulty in understanding how anybody can carry out an act like this. If doctors/psychiatrists are able to identify people whith psychopathic tendencies, one solution for America, may be to ensure these people are not allowed to access or own guns.
The psychopath theory is an interesting one. Some very high profile human beings a lot of us would see as role models are absolutely psychopaths or at the very least show psychopathic tendencies. Richard Branson is one, a lot of managers or professional sports teams are too, and a great deal of professional sportspeople. This sounds a bit OTT at first glance but do your research and tell me I'm wrong. A lot of people confuse this with "driven" or "single minded"
Well said my friend......well said. They can disguise it very well and they can, when it suits them, very cleverly appear to show empathetic traits because they can then be better accepted in society ......but rest assured they are in no way real emotions, just spontaneous acted out reactions in order to gain acceptance.
I recall some study showing that whilst a minority, an alarming number of people are psychopaths. The vast majority do not kill people of course and it can be an advantage in dog eat dog proffessions. Psychopaths are usually described as lacking empathy. I think the jist is that when people with psychopathy imagine others experiencing pain, brain regions associated with empathy and concern for others fail to activate or connect with brain areas involved in emotional processing and decision-making. I think nearly a quarter of prisoners were said to be psychopaths.
This may explain why those of us who are not psychopaths have such difficulty in understanding how anybody can carry out an act like this. If doctors/psychiatrists are able to identify people whith psychopathic tendencies, one solution for America, may be to ensure these people are not allowed to access or own guns.
Good idea but Obama's executive order to prevent people with some mental health disorders owning guns was withdrawn by Trump.
They won't make it harder, they've made it easier.
In Florida on holiday - got talking to an uber driver about the Vegas mass-murder. Whilst he was sad and outraged, his bottom line was years ago you used to see pick-up trucks everywhere with people sitting in the back with guns, they didn't go round killing people, something has changed. And he also said that it's people that kill, not guns. Yeah, that old chestnut.
I woke up super early this morning so decided to watch some Fox News, ever segment is making me want to throw my laptop out the window, they had a guy from the NRA on, everything he said was absolute insanity.
Anything the woman said about gun control was met with "so you want to take guns away from innocent people" which is absolutely NOT was she was saying, she spoke a lot about America's hunting culture and other shooting sports and how she was OK with this, the reply "so you want to take guns away from innocent people"
As I side note, last year I went to Cambodia, whilst in Phnom Penh I visited the S21 prison and the killing fields, it was one of the most moving places I have ever been.
On the way to the killing fields my tuktuk driver was explaining how it had affected him and his family - estimates say c.30% of the population were killed - his story was incredible, what blew my mind was after I'd finished at the killing fields the very same driver asked if I wanted to go to the shooting range, about 10mins from the killing fields, where you can shoot machine guns, even an RPG, it blew my mind that people so deeply affected by violence were so willing to let people practice with such powerful weapons. Not surprisingly almost everyone there was American.
As I side note, last year I went to Cambodia, whilst in Phnom Penh I visited the S21 prison and the killing fields, it was one of the most moving places I have ever been.
On the way to the killing fields my tuktuk driver was explaining how it had affected him and his family - estimates say c.30% of the population were killed - his story was incredible, what blew my mind was after I'd finished at the killing fields the very same driver asked if I wanted to go to the shooting range, about 10mins from the killing fields, where you can shoot machine guns, even an RPG, it blew my mind that people so deeply affected by violence were so willing to let people practice with such powerful weapons. Not surprisingly almost everyone there was American.
You can shoot all the old guns in Vietnam as well. Probably just a way of fleecing money from tourists and using all the left over guns.
It was shocking what happened in Cambodia. It's wasn't 30% across the board. It was mainly men (to the point where I think I read 70% of the population afterwards were female) and anyone with a decent level of education. The country was stuffed for a long time afterwards, and it was quite scary that you just didn't see that many old people about... Because they had all been murdered
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Some people (admittedly not many) wear driving gloves for the same reason.
And these haven't even been around for long, less than 8 years in fact. The US government gave its seal of approval to selling them in 2010 after concluding that they did not violate federal law.
Our National Institute of Health, who do a lot of cutting edge research on all kinds of health related topics, are not allowed to study gun violence because of the gun lobby. Whenever there are mass shootings people who are vehemently pro-gun, (which I should note is not every American or southerner or gun owner) will say "oh well they had mental health problems." It would be GREAT if the NIH could actually do studies on gun violence to see how many people showed signs of mental health issues beforehand. It might even improve mental health care in this country, which would be fantastic. I say that as someone who suffers from mental health problems. But no such luck.
And that is of course before we get into the fact that this self same pro-gun party are also the ones trying to take mental health care away from tens of millions of Americans.
If somebody is very stressed or unhappy or angry it's possible they will use a gun to deal with their issues. The NRA would argue it's a risk worth taking to protect a basic freedom.
If somebody is depressed and is contemplating suicide I should imagine having a gun makes it more likely.
Not the most reliable of news sources but it's an interesting insight into the issues around increasing gun control in the US.
Not a reason to not do it in my view but an interesting take.
Points about background checks/mental health/finance checks/listening/regulation etc cab be brought in from this point forward.
Assault rifles should be banned. There is just never a need for civilians to carry one. End of.
I admit it is harder to deal with those already in possession. But bringing in changes from now on is a good starting point. Things can be phased out over time.
Change must happen.
https://youtu.be/_ECYMvjU52E
As the NRA said there should be more focus on lives SAVED by guns rather than lives lost.
It's quite sickening how the anti-gun lobby have tried to score petty political points after events in Vegas. I'm sure Trump won't let these fools bully him.
This may explain why those of us who are not psychopaths have such difficulty in understanding how anybody can carry out an act like this. If doctors/psychiatrists are able to identify people whith psychopathic tendencies, one solution for America, may be to ensure these people are not allowed to access or own guns.
Didn’t his wife/partner express how he had difficulty taking on board other people’s points of view and emotions.
She finished by saying.....“But he is improving” and those were her exact words!
I rest my case.
They won't make it harder, they've made it easier.
They can disguise it very well and they can, when it suits them, very cleverly appear to show empathetic traits because they can then be better accepted in society ......but rest assured they are in no way real emotions, just spontaneous acted out reactions in order to gain acceptance.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/keith-olbermann-donald-trump-sanity-test_us_58dcaa2ee4b08194e3b7438b
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41519815
America will never change.
Anything the woman said about gun control was met with "so you want to take guns away from innocent people" which is absolutely NOT was she was saying, she spoke a lot about America's hunting culture and other shooting sports and how she was OK with this, the reply "so you want to take guns away from innocent people"
Fecking madness I tell you.
On the way to the killing fields my tuktuk driver was explaining how it had affected him and his family - estimates say c.30% of the population were killed - his story was incredible, what blew my mind was after I'd finished at the killing fields the very same driver asked if I wanted to go to the shooting range, about 10mins from the killing fields, where you can shoot machine guns, even an RPG, it blew my mind that people so deeply affected by violence were so willing to let people practice with such powerful weapons. Not surprisingly almost everyone there was American.
It was shocking what happened in Cambodia. It's wasn't 30% across the board. It was mainly men (to the point where I think I read 70% of the population afterwards were female) and anyone with a decent level of education. The country was stuffed for a long time afterwards, and it was quite scary that you just didn't see that many old people about... Because they had all been murdered