KM lands new job with English football club (ed. Chef Wendy)
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She’s a lawyer, trained to tell untruths and make convincing arguments out of straw. I’m sure she’ll be brilliant in a job interview situation at spinning her achievements and deflecting any criticismsjohnny73 said:
I don't disagree with the reality of what happened. But she will have an answer for each of those areas spun to place her in the best light.Stig said:
She might tick a few boxes in a superficial manner, but posts in football are highly contested. I am told you can get up to 20 applications in an hour. Any club worthy of their league position will scrutinise her a little more closely than cozy chat and a cursory glance at a highly spun cv. The key points are as follows:johnny73 said:She is confident in her own ability. Has three years experience as a CEO which she can spin into a positive in an interview. Will get a glowing reference from her former employer. Ticks all the experience and qualifications boxes on an application form. If she gives a good interview I believe all the above gets her an interview and into consideration for a high level job. If she applied for a job where other candidates are weak and/ or they apply personnel criteria to the letter of the law then she would almost be guaranteed to get a decent position.
She has played a significant role in f#*king up the club but in the modern world she will thrive.
As guardian of a business: Millions of pounds were lost on her watch. She signed ridiculous contracts tying the club to players who were not up to standard. Charlton was left paying the wages of inadequate players who were shipped out to play for other teams. As a business woman she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
As the leader of a sports club: The team dropped down the league and registered no cup successes. We are in a significantly worse position now than when she took over. She will leave the club with a paper thin squad that will desperately need bolstering if we are to achieve any success under the new owners. As the leader of a sports club she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
As head of a service industry organisation: Her arrogance and inability to tell the truth exacerbated the problems stated above. She took a massive amount of goodwill and totally destroyed it. She tried to paint a false picture claiming that only 2% of the fans were unhappy. In truth, if 2% were happy it would be a miracle. There were massive demonstrations against her and attendances as season ticket sales plummeted. To the very end, she would still run back to the Belgian press to tell lies about her 'customers'. As head of a service industry organisation she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
Any guarantee of a decent position based on her track record would be the utmost folly.
I guess we will see when we find out where her new job is.2 -
Maybe but how can anyone in football be unaware of the appalling mess that she has made at Charlton ?killerandflash said:
She’s a lawyer, trained to tell untruths and make convincing arguments out of straw. I’m sure she’ll be brilliant in a job interview situation at spinning her achievements and deflecting any criticismsjohnny73 said:
I don't disagree with the reality of what happened. But she will have an answer for each of those areas spun to place her in the best light.Stig said:
She might tick a few boxes in a superficial manner, but posts in football are highly contested. I am told you can get up to 20 applications in an hour. Any club worthy of their league position will scrutinise her a little more closely than cozy chat and a cursory glance at a highly spun cv. The key points are as follows:johnny73 said:She is confident in her own ability. Has three years experience as a CEO which she can spin into a positive in an interview. Will get a glowing reference from her former employer. Ticks all the experience and qualifications boxes on an application form. If she gives a good interview I believe all the above gets her an interview and into consideration for a high level job. If she applied for a job where other candidates are weak and/ or they apply personnel criteria to the letter of the law then she would almost be guaranteed to get a decent position.
She has played a significant role in f#*king up the club but in the modern world she will thrive.
As guardian of a business: Millions of pounds were lost on her watch. She signed ridiculous contracts tying the club to players who were not up to standard. Charlton was left paying the wages of inadequate players who were shipped out to play for other teams. As a business woman she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
As the leader of a sports club: The team dropped down the league and registered no cup successes. We are in a significantly worse position now than when she took over. She will leave the club with a paper thin squad that will desperately need bolstering if we are to achieve any success under the new owners. As the leader of a sports club she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
As head of a service industry organisation: Her arrogance and inability to tell the truth exacerbated the problems stated above. She took a massive amount of goodwill and totally destroyed it. She tried to paint a false picture claiming that only 2% of the fans were unhappy. In truth, if 2% were happy it would be a miracle. There were massive demonstrations against her and attendances as season ticket sales plummeted. To the very end, she would still run back to the Belgian press to tell lies about her 'customers'. As head of a service industry organisation she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
Any guarantee of a decent position based on her track record would be the utmost folly.
I guess we will see when we find out where her new job is.
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Papua New Guinea FC.charltonbob said:
Maybe but how can anyone in football be unaware of the appalling mess that she has made at Charlton ?killerandflash said:
She’s a lawyer, trained to tell untruths and make convincing arguments out of straw. I’m sure she’ll be brilliant in a job interview situation at spinning her achievements and deflecting any criticismsjohnny73 said:
I don't disagree with the reality of what happened. But she will have an answer for each of those areas spun to place her in the best light.Stig said:
She might tick a few boxes in a superficial manner, but posts in football are highly contested. I am told you can get up to 20 applications in an hour. Any club worthy of their league position will scrutinise her a little more closely than cozy chat and a cursory glance at a highly spun cv. The key points are as follows:johnny73 said:She is confident in her own ability. Has three years experience as a CEO which she can spin into a positive in an interview. Will get a glowing reference from her former employer. Ticks all the experience and qualifications boxes on an application form. If she gives a good interview I believe all the above gets her an interview and into consideration for a high level job. If she applied for a job where other candidates are weak and/ or they apply personnel criteria to the letter of the law then she would almost be guaranteed to get a decent position.
She has played a significant role in f#*king up the club but in the modern world she will thrive.
As guardian of a business: Millions of pounds were lost on her watch. She signed ridiculous contracts tying the club to players who were not up to standard. Charlton was left paying the wages of inadequate players who were shipped out to play for other teams. As a business woman she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
As the leader of a sports club: The team dropped down the league and registered no cup successes. We are in a significantly worse position now than when she took over. She will leave the club with a paper thin squad that will desperately need bolstering if we are to achieve any success under the new owners. As the leader of a sports club she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
As head of a service industry organisation: Her arrogance and inability to tell the truth exacerbated the problems stated above. She took a massive amount of goodwill and totally destroyed it. She tried to paint a false picture claiming that only 2% of the fans were unhappy. In truth, if 2% were happy it would be a miracle. There were massive demonstrations against her and attendances as season ticket sales plummeted. To the very end, she would still run back to the Belgian press to tell lies about her 'customers'. As head of a service industry organisation she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
Any guarantee of a decent position based on her track record would be the utmost folly.
I guess we will see when we find out where her new job is.
& my guess is that she has been head hunted.11 -
Whereas genius always has limits, stupidity is boundless.charltonbob said:
Maybe but how can anyone in football be unaware of the appalling mess that she has made at Charlton ?killerandflash said:
She’s a lawyer, trained to tell untruths and make convincing arguments out of straw. I’m sure she’ll be brilliant in a job interview situation at spinning her achievements and deflecting any criticismsjohnny73 said:
I don't disagree with the reality of what happened. But she will have an answer for each of those areas spun to place her in the best light.Stig said:
She might tick a few boxes in a superficial manner, but posts in football are highly contested. I am told you can get up to 20 applications in an hour. Any club worthy of their league position will scrutinise her a little more closely than cozy chat and a cursory glance at a highly spun cv. The key points are as follows:johnny73 said:She is confident in her own ability. Has three years experience as a CEO which she can spin into a positive in an interview. Will get a glowing reference from her former employer. Ticks all the experience and qualifications boxes on an application form. If she gives a good interview I believe all the above gets her an interview and into consideration for a high level job. If she applied for a job where other candidates are weak and/ or they apply personnel criteria to the letter of the law then she would almost be guaranteed to get a decent position.
She has played a significant role in f#*king up the club but in the modern world she will thrive.
As guardian of a business: Millions of pounds were lost on her watch. She signed ridiculous contracts tying the club to players who were not up to standard. Charlton was left paying the wages of inadequate players who were shipped out to play for other teams. As a business woman she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
As the leader of a sports club: The team dropped down the league and registered no cup successes. We are in a significantly worse position now than when she took over. She will leave the club with a paper thin squad that will desperately need bolstering if we are to achieve any success under the new owners. As the leader of a sports club she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
As head of a service industry organisation: Her arrogance and inability to tell the truth exacerbated the problems stated above. She took a massive amount of goodwill and totally destroyed it. She tried to paint a false picture claiming that only 2% of the fans were unhappy. In truth, if 2% were happy it would be a miracle. There were massive demonstrations against her and attendances as season ticket sales plummeted. To the very end, she would still run back to the Belgian press to tell lies about her 'customers'. As head of a service industry organisation she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
Any guarantee of a decent position based on her track record would be the utmost folly.
I guess we will see when we find out where her new job is.
& my guess is that she has been head hunted.
There will always be those who disregard the opinions of thousands, dismissing us as mere football fans, and assuming there cannot be any real truth in the complaints because KM has kept her job in the face of 2 years of protests. Let's see how long she lasts in her next post.3 -
I think she will get a job within days if she does not already have it.
Some here are under the belief that most club owners (other than RD) want to win. The fact is many just want to break-even or stop the losses. Under RD and KM, CAFC have probably lost less money than most teams in the Championship or League One. Last year was probably profitable if you count the sale of Lookman. The year before CAFC lost just £3M after selling Pope, et all. Not losing much money while dropping a league might well be a positive resume point, not a bad one, for many owners.
There is a guy named Jez Moxey, who was CEO of Wolves for years. They also dropped a league but he made them break-even under the ownership of Steve Morgan. Once Morgan sold, Jez got a job within 24 hours and had many offers. He wound up at Norwich. Why? Because he knows how to not lose money, or at least minimize it.
He got dumped from Norwich when fans got tired of him like we got sick of KM. But that does not mean there are not plenty of owners who will line up for their services. Unfortunately. Owners who place winning above money are rare, not the norm. Whether a CEO won or not is probably not a high concern of most owners.2 -
This makes her sound like she is a character in some slick American netflix programme. I don't for one minute believe that.killerandflash said:
She’s a lawyer, trained to tell untruths and make convincing arguments out of straw. I’m sure she’ll be brilliant in a job interview situation at spinning her achievements and deflecting any criticismsjohnny73 said:
I don't disagree with the reality of what happened. But she will have an answer for each of those areas spun to place her in the best light.Stig said:
She might tick a few boxes in a superficial manner, but posts in football are highly contested. I am told you can get up to 20 applications in an hour. Any club worthy of their league position will scrutinise her a little more closely than cozy chat and a cursory glance at a highly spun cv. The key points are as follows:johnny73 said:She is confident in her own ability. Has three years experience as a CEO which she can spin into a positive in an interview. Will get a glowing reference from her former employer. Ticks all the experience and qualifications boxes on an application form. If she gives a good interview I believe all the above gets her an interview and into consideration for a high level job. If she applied for a job where other candidates are weak and/ or they apply personnel criteria to the letter of the law then she would almost be guaranteed to get a decent position.
She has played a significant role in f#*king up the club but in the modern world she will thrive.
As guardian of a business: Millions of pounds were lost on her watch. She signed ridiculous contracts tying the club to players who were not up to standard. Charlton was left paying the wages of inadequate players who were shipped out to play for other teams. As a business woman she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
As the leader of a sports club: The team dropped down the league and registered no cup successes. We are in a significantly worse position now than when she took over. She will leave the club with a paper thin squad that will desperately need bolstering if we are to achieve any success under the new owners. As the leader of a sports club she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
As head of a service industry organisation: Her arrogance and inability to tell the truth exacerbated the problems stated above. She took a massive amount of goodwill and totally destroyed it. She tried to paint a false picture claiming that only 2% of the fans were unhappy. In truth, if 2% were happy it would be a miracle. There were massive demonstrations against her and attendances as season ticket sales plummeted. To the very end, she would still run back to the Belgian press to tell lies about her 'customers'. As head of a service industry organisation she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
Any guarantee of a decent position based on her track record would be the utmost folly.
I guess we will see when we find out where her new job is.
The famous and terribly ill-judged power point presentation is where she is at 'professionally'. Cack handed at more or less everything from sorting programme and ticket sales, certainly dealing with contracts and transfers, relations with her core marketplace, throwing money at lawyers, consultants and other fix it people to tackle problems, there is very little substance beyond Katriens 'niceness' to suggest she is good at anything.
I would suggest Katrien has had a kind of hermetically sealed existence at Charlton, where she occupies a bubble that has no sense of outreach to the ordinary fan or worker, and within that bubble a different reality can be constructed.23 -
It's already confirmed that she has another job with an English club.NapaAddick said:I think she will get a job within days if she does not already have it.
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She is just a poor mans Dowie.
She speaks well but cannit deliver.
Give it a few months in her new job and her paymasters and customers will soon suss her out.
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She's going to Whiteha
Please, please, please be MillwallPragueAddick said:
Role. CEO, and as I understood, a Championship club. In normal business terms, a classic example of a step upwards.Leeds_Addick said:
Which is the bit you do know, club or her role?PragueAddick said:
No she has gone, and starts the new role on Jan 1. So not long before we find out what it is (I don't know that).Garrymanilow said:
Shit, she's bought the place hasn't shePragueAddick said:Well, I can't say any more than this, but it appears that like many others I will end up with egg on my face in terms of KM's next employment, and the way in which it has happened.
My gob remains smacked and I haven't heard anything previously unrevealed about her achievement as Charlton CEO, but there we are. That's football.
Same can be said of Joyes move ( in this case I know which club). But I wouldn't regard that as a controversial choice for the club concerned. I don't think he has done anything to incur our displeasure.3 - Sponsored links:
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It’s a matter of record that the club lost about £14m in 2015/16. The comprehensive loss was lower because the assets were revalued but the cash effect of that was nil. The loss to be funded was £14m.NapaAddick said:I think she will get a job within days if she does not already have it.
Some here are under the belief that most club owners (other than RD) want to win. The fact is many just want to break-even or stop the losses. Under RD and KM, CAFC have probably lost less money than most teams in the Championship or League One. Last year was probably profitable if you count the sale of Lookman. The year before CAFC lost just £3M after selling Pope, et all. Not losing much money while dropping a league might well be a positive resume point, not a bad one, for many owners.
There is a guy named Jez Moxey, who was CEO of Wolves for years. They also dropped a league but he made them break-even under the ownership of Steve Morgan. Once Morgan sold, Jez got a job within 24 hours and had many offers. He wound up at Norwich. Why? Because he knows how to not lose money, or at least minimize it.
He got dumped from Norwich when fans got tired of him like we got sick of KM. But that does not mean there are not plenty of owners who will line up for their services. Unfortunately. Owners who place winning above money are rare, not the norm. Whether a CEO won or not is probably not a high concern of most owners.6 -
Don't do it Airman. He'll now add the £14m to the enterprise value of £77mAirman Brown said:
It’s a matter of record that the club lost about £14m in 2015/16. The comprehensive loss was lower because the assets were revalued but the cash effect of that was nil. The loss to be funded was £14m.NapaAddick said:I think she will get a job within days if she does not already have it.
Some here are under the belief that most club owners (other than RD) want to win. The fact is many just want to break-even or stop the losses. Under RD and KM, CAFC have probably lost less money than most teams in the Championship or League One. Last year was probably profitable if you count the sale of Lookman. The year before CAFC lost just £3M after selling Pope, et all. Not losing much money while dropping a league might well be a positive resume point, not a bad one, for many owners.
There is a guy named Jez Moxey, who was CEO of Wolves for years. They also dropped a league but he made them break-even under the ownership of Steve Morgan. Once Morgan sold, Jez got a job within 24 hours and had many offers. He wound up at Norwich. Why? Because he knows how to not lose money, or at least minimize it.
He got dumped from Norwich when fans got tired of him like we got sick of KM. But that does not mean there are not plenty of owners who will line up for their services. Unfortunately. Owners who place winning above money are rare, not the norm. Whether a CEO won or not is probably not a high concern of most owners.25 -
Plus the 3.5% interest on the loan.Henry Irving said:
Don't do it Airman. He'll now add the £14m to the enterprise value of £77mAirman Brown said:
It’s a matter of record that the club lost about £14m in 2015/16. The comprehensive loss was lower because the assets were revalued but the cash effect of that was nil. The loss to be funded was £14m.NapaAddick said:I think she will get a job within days if she does not already have it.
Some here are under the belief that most club owners (other than RD) want to win. The fact is many just want to break-even or stop the losses. Under RD and KM, CAFC have probably lost less money than most teams in the Championship or League One. Last year was probably profitable if you count the sale of Lookman. The year before CAFC lost just £3M after selling Pope, et all. Not losing much money while dropping a league might well be a positive resume point, not a bad one, for many owners.
There is a guy named Jez Moxey, who was CEO of Wolves for years. They also dropped a league but he made them break-even under the ownership of Steve Morgan. Once Morgan sold, Jez got a job within 24 hours and had many offers. He wound up at Norwich. Why? Because he knows how to not lose money, or at least minimize it.
He got dumped from Norwich when fans got tired of him like we got sick of KM. But that does not mean there are not plenty of owners who will line up for their services. Unfortunately. Owners who place winning above money are rare, not the norm. Whether a CEO won or not is probably not a high concern of most owners.
Compound of course.
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What’s the enterprise value again ?Henry Irving said:
Don't do it Airman. He'll now add the £14m to the enterprise value of £77mAirman Brown said:
It’s a matter of record that the club lost about £14m in 2015/16. The comprehensive loss was lower because the assets were revalued but the cash effect of that was nil. The loss to be funded was £14m.NapaAddick said:I think she will get a job within days if she does not already have it.
Some here are under the belief that most club owners (other than RD) want to win. The fact is many just want to break-even or stop the losses. Under RD and KM, CAFC have probably lost less money than most teams in the Championship or League One. Last year was probably profitable if you count the sale of Lookman. The year before CAFC lost just £3M after selling Pope, et all. Not losing much money while dropping a league might well be a positive resume point, not a bad one, for many owners.
There is a guy named Jez Moxey, who was CEO of Wolves for years. They also dropped a league but he made them break-even under the ownership of Steve Morgan. Once Morgan sold, Jez got a job within 24 hours and had many offers. He wound up at Norwich. Why? Because he knows how to not lose money, or at least minimize it.
He got dumped from Norwich when fans got tired of him like we got sick of KM. But that does not mean there are not plenty of owners who will line up for their services. Unfortunately. Owners who place winning above money are rare, not the norm. Whether a CEO won or not is probably not a high concern of most owners.
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You know, if you want me to rub it in when I am proven correct or when the deal implodes over valuation or he keeps the debt, or it sells for what I said it would, just lemme know, and by all means I can do that for you. But you asking me to "stop" and then you yourself keep reopening the door, so... you lemme know how you want to go about this and I will oblige. The ball is in your court.Henry Irving said:
Don't do it Airman. He'll now add the £14m to the enterprise value of £77mAirman Brown said:
It’s a matter of record that the club lost about £14m in 2015/16. The comprehensive loss was lower because the assets were revalued but the cash effect of that was nil. The loss to be funded was £14m.NapaAddick said:I think she will get a job within days if she does not already have it.
Some here are under the belief that most club owners (other than RD) want to win. The fact is many just want to break-even or stop the losses. Under RD and KM, CAFC have probably lost less money than most teams in the Championship or League One. Last year was probably profitable if you count the sale of Lookman. The year before CAFC lost just £3M after selling Pope, et all. Not losing much money while dropping a league might well be a positive resume point, not a bad one, for many owners.
There is a guy named Jez Moxey, who was CEO of Wolves for years. They also dropped a league but he made them break-even under the ownership of Steve Morgan. Once Morgan sold, Jez got a job within 24 hours and had many offers. He wound up at Norwich. Why? Because he knows how to not lose money, or at least minimize it.
He got dumped from Norwich when fans got tired of him like we got sick of KM. But that does not mean there are not plenty of owners who will line up for their services. Unfortunately. Owners who place winning above money are rare, not the norm. Whether a CEO won or not is probably not a high concern of most owners.2 -
This is the crux of it for me. I think because a lot of people don’t have an up close and personal understanding of how badly she’s done here, and she’s one of few women in football, there is a danger of her being in the game for being in the game’s sake. When you truly evaluate what she has done since she’s been here, it’s all superficial. The sofa, the dj at crossbars, the afternoon tea. The interview back with Darmesh Seth of sky sports when she’s explaining it says it all. It’s a nothing gimmick.LuckyReds said:
Woe betide anyone who speaks out about such an appointment...charltonnick said:My money would be a job at the FA , a 'token' female appointment nothing to do with ability.
(Even if such an appointment risks severely undermining women in football, not only as her CV would underline the "tokenism" at work, but also because she's likely to be an abject failure.)
I think in all honesty and putting my nonsense emails aside, there’s a smidgen of respect for her staying power in the face of some of the abuse, but I am talking and an absolute smidgen based on the fact that she’s probably walking away with a £250k a year wage.
On a personal level that kinda kills me. How many 1000s of people do a lot better at their jobs than her in various different industries and will be lucky to see that over 5/6 years
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It's funny ain't it really , KM is supposedly a lawyer of some kind but instead chooses to earn a living by robbing wages off football clubs but doesn't have a clue about football.0
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Surely Delia hasn't head hunted another female to join her in the Boardroom !0
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I want to carry on making jokes about your weird maths.NapaAddick said:
You know, if you want me to rub it in when I am proven correct or when the deal implodes over valuation or he keeps the debt, or it sells for what I said it would, just lemme know, and by all means I can do that for you. But you asking me to "stop" and then you yourself keep reopening the door, so... you lemme know how you want to go about this and I will oblige. The ball is in your court.Henry Irving said:
Don't do it Airman. He'll now add the £14m to the enterprise value of £77mAirman Brown said:
It’s a matter of record that the club lost about £14m in 2015/16. The comprehensive loss was lower because the assets were revalued but the cash effect of that was nil. The loss to be funded was £14m.NapaAddick said:I think she will get a job within days if she does not already have it.
Some here are under the belief that most club owners (other than RD) want to win. The fact is many just want to break-even or stop the losses. Under RD and KM, CAFC have probably lost less money than most teams in the Championship or League One. Last year was probably profitable if you count the sale of Lookman. The year before CAFC lost just £3M after selling Pope, et all. Not losing much money while dropping a league might well be a positive resume point, not a bad one, for many owners.
There is a guy named Jez Moxey, who was CEO of Wolves for years. They also dropped a league but he made them break-even under the ownership of Steve Morgan. Once Morgan sold, Jez got a job within 24 hours and had many offers. He wound up at Norwich. Why? Because he knows how to not lose money, or at least minimize it.
He got dumped from Norwich when fans got tired of him like we got sick of KM. But that does not mean there are not plenty of owners who will line up for their services. Unfortunately. Owners who place winning above money are rare, not the norm. Whether a CEO won or not is probably not a high concern of most owners.2 -
It clearly isn't as it would involve the departure of Steve Kavanagh, and we'd have heard about that by now. Yes of course I would happily see them swap, but RD has said they have no short term replacement, so that remains a fantasy.CAFCsayer said:She's going to Whiteha
Please, please, please be MillwallPragueAddick said:
Role. CEO, and as I understood, a Championship club. In normal business terms, a classic example of a step upwards.Leeds_Addick said:
Which is the bit you do know, club or her role?PragueAddick said:
No she has gone, and starts the new role on Jan 1. So not long before we find out what it is (I don't know that).Garrymanilow said:
Shit, she's bought the place hasn't shePragueAddick said:Well, I can't say any more than this, but it appears that like many others I will end up with egg on my face in terms of KM's next employment, and the way in which it has happened.
My gob remains smacked and I haven't heard anything previously unrevealed about her achievement as Charlton CEO, but there we are. That's football.
Same can be said of Joyes move ( in this case I know which club). But I wouldn't regard that as a controversial choice for the club concerned. I don't think he has done anything to incur our displeasure.
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I spoke to kav about her in the boardroom at Oldham I genuinely do miss wish he as still an addick3
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Fantastic CEO, KM to Millwall & Kav back to CAFC would certainly be the swap deal of the year!nth london addick said:I spoke to kav about her in the boardroom at Oldham I genuinely do miss wish he as still an addick
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Eh? Heard her speak far too much in the last few years and can’t remember her spouting a single sentence that didn’t contradict, offend or perjure - and all delivered with a nervous stutter and a face that looked like it was supposed to be stopping traffic.cafc999 said:She is just a poor mans Dowie.
She speaks well but cannit deliver.
Give it a few months in her new job and her paymasters and customers will soon suss her out.
She’s one of the most consistently terrible speakers I’ve ever seen in any sort of public facing role.6 -
You slightly miss the point. This has nothing to do with her competence (or rather lack of it) at doing the job, but rather how good she is at selling herself, whether it's her alleged qualities or the benefit an organisation might gain by employing her (as a European female).seth plum said:
This makes her sound like she is a character in some slick American netflix programme. I don't for one minute believe that.killerandflash said:
She’s a lawyer, trained to tell untruths and make convincing arguments out of straw. I’m sure she’ll be brilliant in a job interview situation at spinning her achievements and deflecting any criticismsjohnny73 said:
I don't disagree with the reality of what happened. But she will have an answer for each of those areas spun to place her in the best light.Stig said:
She might tick a few boxes in a superficial manner, but posts in football are highly contested. I am told you can get up to 20 applications in an hour. Any club worthy of their league position will scrutinise her a little more closely than cozy chat and a cursory glance at a highly spun cv. The key points are as follows:johnny73 said:She is confident in her own ability. Has three years experience as a CEO which she can spin into a positive in an interview. Will get a glowing reference from her former employer. Ticks all the experience and qualifications boxes on an application form. If she gives a good interview I believe all the above gets her an interview and into consideration for a high level job. If she applied for a job where other candidates are weak and/ or they apply personnel criteria to the letter of the law then she would almost be guaranteed to get a decent position.
She has played a significant role in f#*king up the club but in the modern world she will thrive.
As guardian of a business: Millions of pounds were lost on her watch. She signed ridiculous contracts tying the club to players who were not up to standard. Charlton was left paying the wages of inadequate players who were shipped out to play for other teams. As a business woman she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
As the leader of a sports club: The team dropped down the league and registered no cup successes. We are in a significantly worse position now than when she took over. She will leave the club with a paper thin squad that will desperately need bolstering if we are to achieve any success under the new owners. As the leader of a sports club she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
As head of a service industry organisation: Her arrogance and inability to tell the truth exacerbated the problems stated above. She took a massive amount of goodwill and totally destroyed it. She tried to paint a false picture claiming that only 2% of the fans were unhappy. In truth, if 2% were happy it would be a miracle. There were massive demonstrations against her and attendances as season ticket sales plummeted. To the very end, she would still run back to the Belgian press to tell lies about her 'customers'. As head of a service industry organisation she clearly demonstrated herself to be an abject failure.
Any guarantee of a decent position based on her track record would be the utmost folly.
I guess we will see when we find out where her new job is.
The famous and terribly ill-judged power point presentation is where she is at 'professionally'. Cack handed at more or less everything from sorting programme and ticket sales, certainly dealing with contracts and transfers, relations with her core marketplace, throwing money at lawyers, consultants and other fix it people to tackle problems, there is very little substance beyond Katriens 'niceness' to suggest she is good at anything.
I would suggest Katrien has had a kind of hermetically sealed existence at Charlton, where she occupies a bubble that has no sense of outreach to the ordinary fan or worker, and within that bubble a different reality can be constructed.
The world is full of people who are brilliant at selling themselves, and hence keep getting good jobs, often at the expense of more capable people, but ones who can't blow their own trumpet so well7 -
We need more women in football.PragueAddick said:
No mention of the role of a snooker table, I suppose? But of course that is just scurrilous rumour.masicat said:I know for a fact she is considered a joke in football circles.Apparently though, she is of the opinion she has done a great job at Charlton, and she is quick to boast about it. Apparently her football knowledge is up there with that other woman whose Dad printed some of Sullivan’s dirty mags, Karen Brady. Mind you, in a recent interview Brady said she got to the top working for a magazine and becoming their top salesperson, so selective memory does help.
But it's instructive to look at the 'example' of Brady. One of her most outrageous self-PR conceits is that she is a champion of small businesses. This is how her Tory friends promote her. In fact she has always been a hired hand, a loyal, life-time employee for Gullivan. That is why I am very surprised if the umbilical cord between RD and Meire has been cut. I am still a bit sceptical, especially if it is being presented as her choice. RD was her passport to a highly lucrative lifetime career where the only KPIs she would need to deliver would be whatever RD himself dictated. She surely knew that very well, since she showed intense loyalty in implementing his plan, no matter how mad it is.2 -
Competent womenSDAddick said:
We need more women in football.PragueAddick said:
No mention of the role of a snooker table, I suppose? But of course that is just scurrilous rumour.masicat said:I know for a fact she is considered a joke in football circles.Apparently though, she is of the opinion she has done a great job at Charlton, and she is quick to boast about it. Apparently her football knowledge is up there with that other woman whose Dad printed some of Sullivan’s dirty mags, Karen Brady. Mind you, in a recent interview Brady said she got to the top working for a magazine and becoming their top salesperson, so selective memory does help.
But it's instructive to look at the 'example' of Brady. One of her most outrageous self-PR conceits is that she is a champion of small businesses. This is how her Tory friends promote her. In fact she has always been a hired hand, a loyal, life-time employee for Gullivan. That is why I am very surprised if the umbilical cord between RD and Meire has been cut. I am still a bit sceptical, especially if it is being presented as her choice. RD was her passport to a highly lucrative lifetime career where the only KPIs she would need to deliver would be whatever RD himself dictated. She surely knew that very well, since she showed intense loyalty in implementing his plan, no matter how mad it is.32 -
Why?SDAddick said:
We need more women in football.PragueAddick said:
No mention of the role of a snooker table, I suppose? But of course that is just scurrilous rumour.masicat said:I know for a fact she is considered a joke in football circles.Apparently though, she is of the opinion she has done a great job at Charlton, and she is quick to boast about it. Apparently her football knowledge is up there with that other woman whose Dad printed some of Sullivan’s dirty mags, Karen Brady. Mind you, in a recent interview Brady said she got to the top working for a magazine and becoming their top salesperson, so selective memory does help.
But it's instructive to look at the 'example' of Brady. One of her most outrageous self-PR conceits is that she is a champion of small businesses. This is how her Tory friends promote her. In fact she has always been a hired hand, a loyal, life-time employee for Gullivan. That is why I am very surprised if the umbilical cord between RD and Meire has been cut. I am still a bit sceptical, especially if it is being presented as her choice. RD was her passport to a highly lucrative lifetime career where the only KPIs she would need to deliver would be whatever RD himself dictated. She surely knew that very well, since she showed intense loyalty in implementing his plan, no matter how mad it is.
For equality reasons?
Surely we need more Sikhs as they are under represented? How about the number of transgender coaches? It's a disgrace, I'm not aware of one.
I'm so offended because of the lack of Jehovas Witnesses in the game. It's a typical sign of the misogynistic attitude towards those of a minority in the beautiful game.6 -
I think the problem with having minority 'groups' represented anywhere is that they are scrutinised due to their rarity. Sadly Katrien lets the female population down on many counts. Not only is she incompetent at her job but she uses her gender as a way to get sympathy when she's shouted at by fans.Addickted said:
Why?SDAddick said:
We need more women in football.PragueAddick said:
No mention of the role of a snooker table, I suppose? But of course that is just scurrilous rumour.masicat said:I know for a fact she is considered a joke in football circles.Apparently though, she is of the opinion she has done a great job at Charlton, and she is quick to boast about it. Apparently her football knowledge is up there with that other woman whose Dad printed some of Sullivan’s dirty mags, Karen Brady. Mind you, in a recent interview Brady said she got to the top working for a magazine and becoming their top salesperson, so selective memory does help.
But it's instructive to look at the 'example' of Brady. One of her most outrageous self-PR conceits is that she is a champion of small businesses. This is how her Tory friends promote her. In fact she has always been a hired hand, a loyal, life-time employee for Gullivan. That is why I am very surprised if the umbilical cord between RD and Meire has been cut. I am still a bit sceptical, especially if it is being presented as her choice. RD was her passport to a highly lucrative lifetime career where the only KPIs she would need to deliver would be whatever RD himself dictated. She surely knew that very well, since she showed intense loyalty in implementing his plan, no matter how mad it is.
For equality reasons?
Surely we need more Sikhs as they are under represented? How about the number of transgender coaches? It's a disgrace, I'm not aware of one.
I'm so offended because of the lack of Jehovas Witnesses in the game. It's a typical sign of the misogynistic attitude towards those of a minority in the beautiful game.21 -
And appears able to "do a Gwyneth Paltrow "when it suits her.Arsenetatters said:
I think the problem with having minority 'groups' represented anywhere is that they are scrutinised due to their rarity. Sadly Katrien lets the female population down on many counts. Not only is she incompetent at her job but she uses her gender as a way to get sympathy when she's shouted at by fans.Addickted said:
Why?SDAddick said:
We need more women in football.PragueAddick said:
No mention of the role of a snooker table, I suppose? But of course that is just scurrilous rumour.masicat said:I know for a fact she is considered a joke in football circles.Apparently though, she is of the opinion she has done a great job at Charlton, and she is quick to boast about it. Apparently her football knowledge is up there with that other woman whose Dad printed some of Sullivan’s dirty mags, Karen Brady. Mind you, in a recent interview Brady said she got to the top working for a magazine and becoming their top salesperson, so selective memory does help.
But it's instructive to look at the 'example' of Brady. One of her most outrageous self-PR conceits is that she is a champion of small businesses. This is how her Tory friends promote her. In fact she has always been a hired hand, a loyal, life-time employee for Gullivan. That is why I am very surprised if the umbilical cord between RD and Meire has been cut. I am still a bit sceptical, especially if it is being presented as her choice. RD was her passport to a highly lucrative lifetime career where the only KPIs she would need to deliver would be whatever RD himself dictated. She surely knew that very well, since she showed intense loyalty in implementing his plan, no matter how mad it is.
For equality reasons?
Surely we need more Sikhs as they are under represented? How about the number of transgender coaches? It's a disgrace, I'm not aware of one.
I'm so offended because of the lack of Jehovas Witnesses in the game. It's a typical sign of the misogynistic attitude towards those of a minority in the beautiful game.3 -
Agree, sorry I thought that was implied.Arsenetatters said:
Competent womenSDAddick said:
We need more women in football.PragueAddick said:
No mention of the role of a snooker table, I suppose? But of course that is just scurrilous rumour.masicat said:I know for a fact she is considered a joke in football circles.Apparently though, she is of the opinion she has done a great job at Charlton, and she is quick to boast about it. Apparently her football knowledge is up there with that other woman whose Dad printed some of Sullivan’s dirty mags, Karen Brady. Mind you, in a recent interview Brady said she got to the top working for a magazine and becoming their top salesperson, so selective memory does help.
But it's instructive to look at the 'example' of Brady. One of her most outrageous self-PR conceits is that she is a champion of small businesses. This is how her Tory friends promote her. In fact she has always been a hired hand, a loyal, life-time employee for Gullivan. That is why I am very surprised if the umbilical cord between RD and Meire has been cut. I am still a bit sceptical, especially if it is being presented as her choice. RD was her passport to a highly lucrative lifetime career where the only KPIs she would need to deliver would be whatever RD himself dictated. She surely knew that very well, since she showed intense loyalty in implementing his plan, no matter how mad it is.
When we're looking around football and Katrien and Karen Brady are arguably the two most prominent women in the game, that's a problem.1
