Sounds to me like Willams and JFC are good to start. Ozzy on the bench. Easing Aneke back through the u23s. Cullen on the bench for midweek.
Id be surprised if Cullen was involved as early as midweek
Hasn't he been training with West Ham for a couple of weeks? As Field did with West Brom when he broke down again. Sure I read that Cullen did the same somewhere? #
Sounds to me like Willams and JFC are good to start. Ozzy on the bench. Easing Aneke back through the u23s. Cullen on the bench for midweek.
Id be surprised if Cullen was involved as early as midweek
Hasn't he been training with West Ham for a couple of weeks? As Field did with West Brom when he broke down again. Sure I read that Cullen did the same somewhere? #
In February, if players don't break down it does look like we will have options again. Even more so with additions. Was it possible to arrange Fulham game for later or were our hands tied? It doesn't make sense if they weren't.
When he signed for us I had a look at a Chelsea forum and to a man they didn't think he would make it with them. He still hasn't of course, but they are far more interested.
In February, if players don't break down it does look like we will have options again. Even more so with additions. Was it possible to arrange Fulham game for later or were our hands tied? It doesn't make sense if they weren't.
We agreed a date of the 29th with Fulham & The EFL. WE then changed it to the 22nd. Fulham mention this on their website, saying that as the home team we have the right to alter the date from that was already agreed.
I'm not sure his development is entirely down to us though. He has a natural talent that was evident even in his first substitute appearance and also a desire to work hard that is seemingly just how he is. No doubt Bowyer etc have helped to some degree but I think he would've performed well at any club where he was getting games.
Sounds to me like Willams and JFC are good to start. Ozzy on the bench. Easing Aneke back through the u23s. Cullen on the bench for midweek.
Id be surprised if Cullen was involved as early as midweek
Hasn't he been training with West Ham for a couple of weeks? As Field did with West Brom when he broke down again. Sure I read that Cullen did the same somewhere? #
They had the vast majority of the treatment at their parent clubs. We know Cullen is a generally fit player anyway from last season, but I would be surprised if he’s in the squad for Fulham, although there could be a chance. It’s surely best to give him two weeks full training with the squad ready for Barnsley at home.
I think Sage has proven to be a reliable source of info and he suggest that isn't the case.
Said in the other thread, Conor didn’t want to leave, he had no choice, he’s a Chelsea player so does as he’s told.
The whole no one expected him to do what he did was only about how good he become and how important he turned out to be for us. Conor was signed in the hope he could do well, after the first couple of training sessions after he got told and learnt the pace, they quickly saw how quality he is. Why people are making this more than it is, I don’t know. It’s there for all to see.
I'm not sure his development is entirely down to us though. He has a natural talent that was evident even in his first substitute appearance and also a desire to work hard that is seemingly just how he is. No doubt Bowyer etc have helped to some degree but I think he would've performed well at any club where he was getting games.
One’s development is just as much to do with the environment they’re in as it is their quality and attitude. Not saying he wouldn’t have done well elsewhere, but we allowed him to develop as quickly and successfully as he did due to the environment created at the club by Bowyer, the staff, and players.
Sounds to me like Willams and JFC are good to start. Ozzy on the bench. Easing Aneke back through the u23s. Cullen on the bench for midweek.
Id be surprised if Cullen was involved as early as midweek
Hasn't he been training with West Ham for a couple of weeks? As Field did with West Brom when he broke down again. Sure I read that Cullen did the same somewhere? #
They had the vast majority of the treatment at their parent clubs. We know Cullen is a generally fit player anyway from last season, but I would be surprised if he’s in the squad for Fulham, although there could be a chance. It’s surely best to give him two weeks full training with the squad ready for Barnsley at home.
Bowyer seems to believe he might be involved this weekend. So long as it’s not putting him at risk, that’s a huge boost for us.
Sage in a normal situation you are 100% correct re players being given time to get to match fitness but we are no in a normal situation ----- one win in months ----games passing by----- no new blood in ---- it is getting to the stage of risking the player breaking down or loosing /religation.
In the long run we need to have a hard look at why this horrific injury situation happened ---structure---- skill sets---- dosh etc.It's not just bad luck
Maybe there is a bit of bad luck and a bit of desperation. Williams is injury prone, Taylor got injured away from the club, Cullen's looked a standard unavoidable injury. Hamed and Kayel were last minute punts with question marks over their fitness. Field again looked an unavoidable one. Not sure about Leko, Aneke and Oztumer tbh. Maybe the one that stands out that whilst it maybe couldn't have been prevented, it might have been mitigated by taking him off earlier was Bonne.
Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go
Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"
i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed
How?
Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
Yes and they could refuse.
Do you seriously think he would set up an antagonist situation with his club.....no way Jose. Let’s not forget he’s also only 19 and certainly wouldn’t have the balls at this stage of his career to defy the Chelsea hierarchy. He may well have mentioned he wanted to stay put, but would have little option other than to do as they say. As yet, we still don’t know the reason why they took this action......I fancy it will come out eventually.
Maybe there is a bit of bad luck and a bit of desperation. Williams is injury prone, Taylor got injured away from the club, Cullen's looked a standard unavoidable injury. Hamed and Kayel were last minute punts with question marks over their fitness. Field again looked an unavoidable one. Not sure about Leko, Aneke and Oztumer tbh. Maybe the one that stands out that whilst it maybe couldn't have been prevented, it might have been mitigated by taking him off earlier was Bonne.
And Oztumer (v Sheff Weds). He then gave away a late penalty soon after being injured, because he couldn't run properly.
Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go
Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"
i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed
How?
Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
Of course but Chelsea recalled him so they have a say in that
We could have offered Chelsea more than what Swansea did in which case Id agree with you but we didnt so the player couldnt choose between us and them
I was talking with someone an hour or two ago (reliable I may add), who said that we were paying a third of his wages.....Chelsea the rest. Swansea have agreed to pay the full amount, now as to whether we weren’t prepared to match Swansea I have no idea but It seems we weren’t even given that option, given that Bowyer said it came as a shock completely out of the blue.
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That doesn't sound like a major issue ..... just that no risks were taken and the player could be properly assessed.
Seems unlikely to me that either would be ready for Fulham let alone Preston.
I just hope that none of returnees are rushed back or overplayed too early. That was what caused JFC to break down again.
At least there is light at the end of this tunnel.
Thats promising!!
Don't quite agree that no-one expected him to do so well. He was Chelsea youth player of the year, and they're very strong in the youth department.
Make of that what you will.
The whole no one expected him to do what he did was only about how good he become and how important he turned out to be for us. Conor was signed in the hope he could do well, after the first couple of training sessions after he got told and learnt the pace, they quickly saw how quality he is. Why people are making this more than it is, I don’t know. It’s there for all to see.
https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-midfielder-josh-cullen-is-a-machine-and-could-return-at-preston-north-end/
We could have offered Chelsea more than what Swansea did in which case Id agree with you but we didnt so the player couldnt choose between us and them
In the long run we need to have a hard look at why this horrific injury situation happened ---structure---- skill sets---- dosh etc.It's not just bad luck
Let’s not forget he’s also only 19 and certainly wouldn’t have the balls at this stage of his career to defy the Chelsea hierarchy.
He may well have mentioned he wanted to stay put, but would have little option other than to do as they say.
As yet, we still don’t know the reason why they took this action......I fancy it will come out eventually.
Swansea have agreed to pay the full amount, now as to whether we weren’t prepared to match Swansea I have no idea but It seems we weren’t even given that option, given that Bowyer said it came as a shock completely out of the blue.