Veggies and Vegans do get a lot of unwarranted stick but you’re not helping yourself when you make a statement that your dog is vegan.
He’s not, it’s just that YOU his owner, makes the decision for him to not eat meat.
The only vegans who get stick as far as I'm concerned, are the ones who insist on telling meat eaters that they're doing something wrong, or try and "spread the word".
Why come into a thread about the growth of veganism then? You know you'll get annoyed and annoy other people.
Veggies and Vegans do get a lot of unwarranted stick but you’re not helping yourself when you make a statement that your dog is vegan.
He’s not, it’s just that YOU his owner, makes the decision for him to not eat meat.
The only vegans who get stick as far as I'm concerned, are the ones who insist on telling meat eaters that they're doing something wrong, or try and "spread the word".
Why come into a thread about the growth of veganism then? You know you'll get annoyed and annoy other people.
Because it's an open forum and if others are gonna air their opinion, I'm gonna air mine.
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
How many have you killed?
You can choose not to kill but you kill and seem to enjoy shooting animals. Cats are unable to make that choice.
I know, but owning a cat in the first place contradicts vegan moral values though doesnt it?
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
How many have you killed?
You can choose not to kill but you kill and seem to enjoy shooting animals. Cats are unable to make that choice.
I know, but owning a cat in the first place contradicts vegan moral values though doesnt it?
Veggies and Vegans do get a lot of unwarranted stick but you’re not helping yourself when you make a statement that your dog is vegan.
He’s not, it’s just that YOU his owner, makes the decision for him to not eat meat.
The only vegans who get stick as far as I'm concerned, are the ones who insist on telling meat eaters that they're doing something wrong, or try and "spread the word".
Why come into a thread about the growth of veganism then? You know you'll get annoyed and annoy other people.
Big Rob is here for game and game alone tbf
I'm not, it absolutely infuriates me that people make a life choice and then take the moral high ground with those who live a normal life.
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
How many have you killed?
You can choose not to kill but you kill and seem to enjoy shooting animals. Cats are unable to make that choice.
I know, but owning a cat in the first place contradicts vegan moral values though doesnt it?
Vegans don't agree with the pet industry.
Seeing as youre the self apppointed spokeswoman for Vegans, are you saying that only vegans don't agree with the pet industry, but all meat eaters do?
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
How many have you killed?
You can choose not to kill but you kill and seem to enjoy shooting animals. Cats are unable to make that choice.
I know, but owning a cat in the first place contradicts vegan moral values though doesnt it?
Vegans don't agree with the pet industry.
Seeing as youre the self apppointed spokeswoman for Vegans, are you saying that only vegans don't agree with the pet industry, but all meat eaters do?
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
How many have you killed?
You can choose not to kill but you kill and seem to enjoy shooting animals. Cats are unable to make that choice.
I know, but owning a cat in the first place contradicts vegan moral values though doesnt it?
Vegans don't agree with the pet industry.
Seeing as youre the self apppointed spokeswoman for Vegans, are you saying that only vegans don't agree with the pet industry, but all meat eaters do?
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
How many have you killed?
You can choose not to kill but you kill and seem to enjoy shooting animals. Cats are unable to make that choice.
I know, but owning a cat in the first place contradicts vegan moral values though doesnt it?
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
How many have you killed?
You can choose not to kill but you kill and seem to enjoy shooting animals. Cats are unable to make that choice.
I know, but owning a cat in the first place contradicts vegan moral values though doesnt it?
Vegans don't agree with the pet industry.
Seeing as youre the self apppointed spokeswoman for Vegans, are you saying that only vegans don't agree with the pet industry, but all meat eaters do?
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
How many have you killed?
You can choose not to kill but you kill and seem to enjoy shooting animals. Cats are unable to make that choice.
I know, but owning a cat in the first place contradicts vegan moral values though doesnt it?
Vegans don't agree with the pet industry.
Seeing as youre the self apppointed spokeswoman for Vegans, are you saying that only vegans don't agree with the pet industry, but all meat eaters do?
Veggies and Vegans do get a lot of unwarranted stick but you’re not helping yourself when you make a statement that your dog is vegan.
He’s not, it’s just that YOU his owner, makes the decision for him to not eat meat.
The only vegans who get stick as far as I'm concerned, are the ones who insist on telling meat eaters that they're doing something wrong, or try and "spread the word".
Why come into a thread about the growth of veganism then? You know you'll get annoyed and annoy other people.
Big Rob is here for game and game alone tbf
I'm not, it absolutely infuriates me that people make a life choice and then take the moral high ground with those who live a normal life.
You clicked on a thread named rise of the vegans and decided to start challenging people. You have infuriated yourself there fella
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
How many have you killed?
You can choose not to kill but you kill and seem to enjoy shooting animals. Cats are unable to make that choice.
I know, but owning a cat in the first place contradicts vegan moral values though doesnt it?
Vegans don't agree with the pet industry.
Seeing as youre the self apppointed spokeswoman for Vegans, are you saying that only vegans don't agree with the pet industry, but all meat eaters do?
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
How many have you killed?
You can choose not to kill but you kill and seem to enjoy shooting animals. Cats are unable to make that choice.
I know, but owning a cat in the first place contradicts vegan moral values though doesnt it?
Vegans don't agree with the pet industry.
Where did I mention meat eaters, I said Vegans don't agree with the pet industry. All the ones I know anyway.
Veggies and Vegans do get a lot of unwarranted stick but you’re not helping yourself when you make a statement that your dog is vegan.
He’s not, it’s just that YOU his owner, makes the decision for him to not eat meat.
The only vegans who get stick as far as I'm concerned, are the ones who insist on telling meat eaters that they're doing something wrong, or try and "spread the word".
Why come into a thread about the growth of veganism then? You know you'll get annoyed and annoy other people.
Big Rob is here for game and game alone tbf
I'm not, it absolutely infuriates me that people make a life choice and then take the moral high ground with those who live a normal life.
You clicked on a thread named rise of the vegans and decided to start challenging people. You have infuriated yourself there fella
Veggies and Vegans do get a lot of unwarranted stick but you’re not helping yourself when you make a statement that your dog is vegan.
He’s not, it’s just that YOU his owner, makes the decision for him to not eat meat.
The only vegans who get stick as far as I'm concerned, are the ones who insist on telling meat eaters that they're doing something wrong, or try and "spread the word".
Why come into a thread about the growth of veganism then? You know you'll get annoyed and annoy other people.
Big Rob is here for game and game alone tbf
I'm not, it absolutely infuriates me that people make a life choice and then take the moral high ground with those who live a normal life.
To be fair, drastically reduced meat consumption will almost certainly become a practical necessity within our projected lifetimes, for reasons of energy and climate. And as I said before, ethical farming will probably become law at some stage.
I'm aware that the hunting of wild animals, such as practised by your big self, is subject to plenty of restrictions and regulations. I wonder what a draft constitution on the farming of captive livestock would look like. I don't think it would be too much of an imposition upon habitual meat-eaters to consider this.
As an addendum, I also enjoyed Simon Amstell's (fairly militant, but thankfully quite funny) TV movie on a projected timescale for national veganism. I don't think it will ever be absolute myself, but I think, for reasons explained above, that meat will increasingly become a delicacy.
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
How many have you killed?
You can choose not to kill but you kill and seem to enjoy shooting animals. Cats are unable to make that choice.
I know, but owning a cat in the first place contradicts vegan moral values though doesnt it?
Vegans don't agree with the pet industry.
Seeing as youre the self apppointed spokeswoman for Vegans, are you saying that only vegans don't agree with the pet industry, but all meat eaters do?
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
How many have you killed?
You can choose not to kill but you kill and seem to enjoy shooting animals. Cats are unable to make that choice.
I know, but owning a cat in the first place contradicts vegan moral values though doesnt it?
Vegans don't agree with the pet industry.
Where did I mention meat eaters, I said Vegans don't agree with the pet industry. All the ones I know anyway.
Veggies and Vegans do get a lot of unwarranted stick but you’re not helping yourself when you make a statement that your dog is vegan.
He’s not, it’s just that YOU his owner, makes the decision for him to not eat meat.
The only vegans who get stick as far as I'm concerned, are the ones who insist on telling meat eaters that they're doing something wrong, or try and "spread the word".
Why come into a thread about the growth of veganism then? You know you'll get annoyed and annoy other people.
Big Rob is here for game and game alone tbf
I'm not, it absolutely infuriates me that people make a life choice and then take the moral high ground with those who live a normal life.
You clicked on a thread named rise of the vegans and decided to start challenging people. You have infuriated yourself there fella
It's on public forum though treacle
I know it is. So how can you get infuriated by getting told the facts. Just close the thread if it makes you that angry. You don't agree with vegans, you haven't bothered to do your own research that's that.
It's rare that a thread happens where I'm in the perfect position to mediate between both sides. I plan on milking this for as long as the thread remains open
Veggies and Vegans do get a lot of unwarranted stick but you’re not helping yourself when you make a statement that your dog is vegan.
He’s not, it’s just that YOU his owner, makes the decision for him to not eat meat.
The only vegans who get stick as far as I'm concerned, are the ones who insist on telling meat eaters that they're doing something wrong, or try and "spread the word".
Why come into a thread about the growth of veganism then? You know you'll get annoyed and annoy other people.
Big Rob is here for game and game alone tbf
I'm not, it absolutely infuriates me that people make a life choice and then take the moral high ground with those who live a normal life.
You clicked on a thread named rise of the vegans and decided to start challenging people. You have infuriated yourself there fella
It's on public forum though treacle
I know it is. So how can you get infuriated by getting told the facts. Just close the thread if it makes you that angry. You don't agree with vegans, you haven't bothered to do your own research that's that.
No, what I don't agree with, is people trotting out opinions and stating them as facts
People can eat whatever they like, for whatever reason they like, but I'll reserve the right to challenge opinions on a public forum, whenever I want.
Basically, Vegans stop making an argument of it. Find better ways to turn our heads... I've seen slaughter of cattle, lamb and pigs. It's sad to see how the halal and kosher places do it, but humane slaughter is a slight contradiction but is far more acceptable to me.
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
Again no one has said cats are perfect, you have missed the point. I hate cats toying with birds, unfortunately you can't tell a cat otherwise. A human has the ability to know right from wrong though
So the only reason a cat catches birds or other Animals is they can’t tell right from wrong? That’s not a serious point surely?
No that's in their nature.
Don't get why you are trying to twist what I am saying.
Do you understand what I'm saying now though @Braziliance
No. There is nothing to understand. All you are doing is trying to spin an argument in your favour.
Animal agriculture is bad for the planet, bad for animals, not sustainable and is not morally correct. No matter what you try and say you can't change that because those are undeniable facts.
Do you think God has blessed us with the weather or something? Animal agriculture is literally one of if not the biggest threat for global warming.
What if God doesn't exist. What then?
(agnostic btw not an atheist but not a believer either)
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
Again no one has said cats are perfect, you have missed the point. I hate cats toying with birds, unfortunately you can't tell a cat otherwise. A human has the ability to know right from wrong though
Are you saying humans eating animals is wrong, or just the wrong choice? Big difference.
It's both. It's the wrong choice for the environment and it's the wrong choice morally. Absolute facts. Not even an argument.
Oh piss off. Its not morally wrong. Read carefully: YOUR MORAL CODE != ABSOLUTE Just because YOU believe something, doesn't make it right. To draw a parallel: Billions of people believe homosexuality is somehow 'immoral' Billions of people think you shouldn't have sex for any purpose other than procreation Billions of people think their imaginary friend tells them what to do and that people who don't believe he/she/it exists are morally reprehensible
See where I'm going with this?
This always happens. People don't like the truth so they get angry. It is 100% morally wrong. Taking an innocent live is wrong. Don't bring religion or sexual orientation into it cause they can't be compared to what I'm saying.
And now back to what I originally said before people felt the need to justify their weak will power for the greater good (trying to say that without sounding like the villagers from hot fuzz) I simply don't care what you eat. Just do not try and justify it as you can't.
- Start off calm. - Tell meat eaters they're morally wrong and meat is bad for you. - Get blown out the water on every point. - Play the victim.
Carnist bingo check list -
Try and justify why they eat meat on a thread aimed at vegans- Tick Try and make jokes instead of fact check - Tick Try and spin the argument rather than just put their hands up and say 'I have no empathy towards animals' - tick Make a joke about eating more meat - Tick Call a vegan is militant just for telling them the harsh reality - Tick Use your animals as an example when you are more capable of understanding than them - Tick Lions tho?!? - Tick
The only thing I am surprised you haven't done yet is use the 'if you were stuck on an island would you eat meat?' question.
Other than that top marks fella.
This thread was created by a vegan to wind up omnivores.
If you don't know the difference between a carnivore and an omnivore then maybe get back under your little rock.
P.s
Medium Rare Steak with a home made cheese and chive sauce and steamed home grown beans and courgette with a side of shop bought potatoes.
On a scale of Vegan to Carnivore it sits right about OMNIVORE.
As I suggested in my earlier comment, it used to be quite hard to be a vegan but now it's pretty easy with loads of prepared foods on offer. Whether or not people explore the vegan option is down to a sort of resonance as there is a spiritual vibe to it. There is a philosophy that as you stop eating flesh eating you remove a veil and you may get a bit more sensitive. It's a first step on the path to a higher consciousness. The nazarenes and many buddhists think like this. I don't buy the vegan pets argument. Our cat eats meat/fish. Weirdly, it eats the vegan quorn when we drop a bit on the floor but generally it does not seem right to me to feed vegan food to cats and dogs. But I always wonder why we feed cats beef and lamb? It seems most unnatural! Rabbit and chicken seems far more appropriate to me but our moggy gets spoilt rotten by my wife. She would probably give it caviare if we could afford it.
Your cats also needlessly kill hundreds of song birds each year
What is your point?
Cat owners facilitate the mass, needless killing of millions of song birds every year, so that must mean they don't like animals surely
Again no one has said cats are perfect, you have missed the point. I hate cats toying with birds, unfortunately you can't tell a cat otherwise. A human has the ability to know right from wrong though
Are you saying humans eating animals is wrong, or just the wrong choice? Big difference.
It's both. It's the wrong choice for the environment and it's the wrong choice morally. Absolute facts. Not even an argument.
Ah, now I understand, anyone who eats meat is morally wrong, "absolute facts, not even an argument".
Says who exactly?
My nan used to say it was morally wrong not to go to Church on a Sunday, in fact when I worked on a Sunday I think she wanted to have me exorcised, she simply couldn't believe it.
Jokes aside, @Braziliance I think where you fall down is that you start quoting morals, start stating that it's all facts that we shouldn't be eating meat and that because we are intelligent enough to be able to make a choice (unlike cats for example) that we should make the choice you do.
Thats simply dictating how people should live their lives, it's not a crime to eat meat (or not to) anymore than it's not a crime to drink alcohol, I personally choose not to but that doesn't make anyone who does morally wrong for doing so.
I'm sure it's 100% true we don't 'need' to eat meat to survive, we also don't need to drink anything but water, don't need to fly on a plane, practice religion, drive a car, wear clothes and 1001 other things, doesn't mean it's morally wrong to do any of those things, it's a choice we make.
I'm sure it's 100% true we don't 'need' to eat meat to survive, we also don't need to drink anything but water, don't need to fly on a plane, practice religion, drive a car, wear clothes and 1001 other things, doesn't mean it's morally wrong to do any of those things, it's a choice we make.
Winner winner quinoa dinner. (It just isn't the same)
In total, there are around 20 amino acids that the human body uses to build proteins.
These amino acids are classified as either essential or non-essential.
Your body can produce non-essential amino acids. However, it cannot produce essential amino acids, which need to be obtained through your diet.
For optimal health, your body needs all the essential amino acids in the right ratios.
Animal protein sources, such as meat, fish, poultry, eggs and dairy, are similar to the protein found in your body.
These are considered to be complete sources of protein because they contain all of the essential amino acids that your body needs to function effectively.
On the contrary, plant protein sources, such as beans, lentils and nuts are considered to be incomplete, as they lack one or more of the essential amino acids that your body needs (1).
Some sources report soy protein as complete. However, two essential amino acids are only found in small amounts in soy, so it isn't comparable to animal protein.
#justsayin
It has also been suggested that certain amino acids are assimilated 'more easily' from meat than from protein. However what you say also demonstrates that humans don't have to eat meat as the only way to get all the nutrition, soy protein does indeed allow for the consumption of the range of nutrients needed. It is indeed comparable, even though you say that in that comparison you reckon meat is better than soy because of 'amounts'. I suppose what I am saying is that it is realistic to describe man as an omnivore, but that it is not essential for a balanced diet for man to eat meat, fish, eggs and dairy. It seems to come down to a matter of choice, taste and convenience rather than a matter of scientific necessity.
I think what the findings suggest is that meat is essential for a completely balanced diet, but in fairly small quantities as MOST of the essential amino acids can be obtained through plant means, but not all
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Seeing as youre the self apppointed spokeswoman for Vegans, are you saying that only vegans don't agree with the pet industry, but all meat eaters do?
I'm aware that the hunting of wild animals, such as practised by your big self, is subject to plenty of restrictions and regulations. I wonder what a draft constitution on the farming of captive livestock would look like. I don't think it would be too much of an imposition upon habitual meat-eaters to consider this.
As an addendum, I also enjoyed Simon Amstell's (fairly militant, but thankfully quite funny) TV movie on a projected timescale for national veganism. I don't think it will ever be absolute myself, but I think, for reasons explained above, that meat will increasingly become a delicacy.
People can eat whatever they like, for whatever reason they like, but I'll reserve the right to challenge opinions on a public forum, whenever I want.
(agnostic btw not an atheist but not a believer either)
Not a vegan though. Have no problem feeding the dogs meat, don’t really think about it. If I did I might worry about it more
Dunno how vegans square that away with themselves tbf.
If you don't know the difference between a carnivore and an omnivore then maybe get back under your little rock.
P.s
Medium Rare Steak with a home made cheese and chive sauce and steamed home grown beans and courgette with a side of shop bought potatoes.
On a scale of Vegan to Carnivore it sits right about OMNIVORE.
Says who exactly?
My nan used to say it was morally wrong not to go to Church on a Sunday, in fact when I worked on a Sunday I think she wanted to have me exorcised, she simply couldn't believe it.
Jokes aside, @Braziliance I think where you fall down is that you start quoting morals, start stating that it's all facts that we shouldn't be eating meat and that because we are intelligent enough to be able to make a choice (unlike cats for example) that we should make the choice you do.
Thats simply dictating how people should live their lives, it's not a crime to eat meat (or not to) anymore than it's not a crime to drink alcohol, I personally choose not to but that doesn't make anyone who does morally wrong for doing so.
I'm sure it's 100% true we don't 'need' to eat meat to survive, we also don't need to drink anything but water, don't need to fly on a plane, practice religion, drive a car, wear clothes and 1001 other things, doesn't mean it's morally wrong to do any of those things, it's a choice we make.