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England Cricket Team Summer 2019 -ICC World Cup and Ashes etc
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Would probably prefer Wood & Stone to both and have TOm Curran ahead of Overton but they are all injured. Toby Roland Jones is another.0
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Chizz said:greenwichred68 said:Ridiculous decision to pick Overton over Curran.Why pick Overton? Why are they frightened to pick Curran? He has shown he has the ability to play test cricket and offers us something different.Woakes looked knackered last test so i can understand resting him but not with Overton.Buttler should be dropped for this test.Hasnt offered anything yet this series and looks shot to pieces.Still nevermind il be there cheering the boys on Thursday abd Friday.
As batters, there's no comparison, obviously. Woakes has a highest Test score of 137* whiles Curran hasn't scored a century in Tests, first class matches or one-dayers.
Curran and Woakes both played in the win versus Ireland. Neither performed heroics with the bat. Curran picked up 3 first innings wickets and Woakes helped bowl England to victory with 6-17. Since then, however, Woakes has scored runs at 28 and taken wickets at 29 in the Ashes, making him the second-ranked all-rounder on either side. Curran has scored 14 runs and taken one wicket at 92 in first class matches. If you drop a player, you should bring in someone who is either better or in better form, or, preferably, both. At the moment, Curran is neither.
The numbers simply do not stack up: there's no case for bringing Curran into the side.
I am sure he will play a lot of cricket for England. And I think it will be more of a batting all-rounder (like Stokes) than a bowling all-rounder (like Woakes). But that's all for the future. Happily, he has time on his side.0 -
Todds_right_hook said:Chizz said:Todds_right_hook said:Chizz said:supaclive said:Australia have players out of form they drop them.....
Pattinson 23.00 dropped
Khawaja 20.33 dropped
Harris 13.50 not dropped
Warner 13.16 not dropped
Paine 12.83 not dropped0 -
Chizz said:greenwichred68 said:Ridiculous decision to pick Overton over Curran.Why pick Overton? Why are they frightened to pick Curran? He has shown he has the ability to play test cricket and offers us something different.Woakes looked knackered last test so i can understand resting him but not with Overton.Buttler should be dropped for this test.Hasnt offered anything yet this series and looks shot to pieces.Still nevermind il be there cheering the boys on Thursday abd Friday.
As batters, there's no comparison, obviously. Woakes has a highest Test score of 137* whiles Curran hasn't scored a century in Tests, first class matches or one-dayers.
Curran and Woakes both played in the win versus Ireland. Neither performed heroics with the bat. Curran picked up 3 first innings wickets and Woakes helped bowl England to victory with 6-17. Since then, however, Woakes has scored runs at 28 and taken wickets at 29 in the Ashes, making him the second-ranked all-rounder on either side. Curran has scored 14 runs and taken one wicket at 92 in first class matches. If you drop a player, you should bring in someone who is either better or in better form, or, preferably, both. At the moment, Curran is neither.
The numbers simply do not stack up: there's no case for bringing Curran into the side.
I am sure he will play a lot of cricket for England. And I think it will be more of a batting all-rounder (like Stokes) than a bowling all-rounder (like Woakes). But that's all for the future. Happily, he has time on his side.
In fewer first class matches, Curran already has 1 and a half times as many 50's as Overton. Admittedly Overton has a century, but Curran was only a boundary away from one.
I actually agree if Curran is going to force himself into the side it will probably be as a 4th choice seamer. On a good day, he doesn't get past Woakes as a 3rd seamer/No 8. But I think he is very unlucky to lose out to Overton.0 -
As a 3rd seamer , their bowling has to be key. Not sure either Overton or Curran are 3rd seamers really, who can prevent Stokes being overworked.
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I actually still back Roy, but not to open. Seems odd to say with his low average and high risk batting but I do think he suits the number 4 role perfect. He is perfect to open in one day, as you need to start on the front foot, he looks quality when he is in good knick but I think he struggles as he cant just leave balls and play his way in. Well see but I hope the switch both helps Roy and Denly , on paper it should have always been where they both started really.
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cafcfan1990 said:Todds_right_hook said:Chizz said:Todds_right_hook said:Chizz said:supaclive said:Australia have players out of form they drop them.....
Pattinson 23.00 dropped
Khawaja 20.33 dropped
Harris 13.50 not dropped
Warner 13.16 not dropped
Paine 12.83 not dropped0 -
Did you enjoy that last test match Johhny?0
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greenwichred68 said:Chizz said:greenwichred68 said:Ridiculous decision to pick Overton over Curran.Why pick Overton? Why are they frightened to pick Curran? He has shown he has the ability to play test cricket and offers us something different.Woakes looked knackered last test so i can understand resting him but not with Overton.Buttler should be dropped for this test.Hasnt offered anything yet this series and looks shot to pieces.Still nevermind il be there cheering the boys on Thursday abd Friday.
As batters, there's no comparison, obviously. Woakes has a highest Test score of 137* whiles Curran hasn't scored a century in Tests, first class matches or one-dayers.
Curran and Woakes both played in the win versus Ireland. Neither performed heroics with the bat. Curran picked up 3 first innings wickets and Woakes helped bowl England to victory with 6-17. Since then, however, Woakes has scored runs at 28 and taken wickets at 29 in the Ashes, making him the second-ranked all-rounder on either side. Curran has scored 14 runs and taken one wicket at 92 in first class matches. If you drop a player, you should bring in someone who is either better or in better form, or, preferably, both. At the moment, Curran is neither.
The numbers simply do not stack up: there's no case for bringing Curran into the side.
I am sure he will play a lot of cricket for England. And I think it will be more of a batting all-rounder (like Stokes) than a bowling all-rounder (like Woakes). But that's all for the future. Happily, he has time on his side.
But Woakes' replacement - whenever required - needs to be a new ball bowler who can score runs. Not someone with a batting average of 32 who's a better batter than bowler.2 -
Chizz said:greenwichred68 said:Chizz said:greenwichred68 said:Ridiculous decision to pick Overton over Curran.Why pick Overton? Why are they frightened to pick Curran? He has shown he has the ability to play test cricket and offers us something different.Woakes looked knackered last test so i can understand resting him but not with Overton.Buttler should be dropped for this test.Hasnt offered anything yet this series and looks shot to pieces.Still nevermind il be there cheering the boys on Thursday abd Friday.
As batters, there's no comparison, obviously. Woakes has a highest Test score of 137* whiles Curran hasn't scored a century in Tests, first class matches or one-dayers.
Curran and Woakes both played in the win versus Ireland. Neither performed heroics with the bat. Curran picked up 3 first innings wickets and Woakes helped bowl England to victory with 6-17. Since then, however, Woakes has scored runs 8 at 28 and taken wickets at 29 in the Ashes, making him the second-ranked all-rounder on either side. Curran has scored 14 runs and taken one wicket at 92 in first class matches. If you drop a player, you should bring in someone who is either better or in better form, or, preferably, both. At the moment, Curran is neither.
The numbers simply do not stack up: there's no case for bringing Curran into the side.
I am sure he will play a lot of cricket for England. And I think it will be more of a batting all-rounder (like Stokes) than a bowling all-rounder (like Woakes). But that's all for the future. Happily, he has time on his side.
But Woakes' replacement - whenever required - needs to be a new ball bowler who can score runs. Not someone with a batting average of 32 who's a better batter than bowler.
With Stokes in the side it isn't an all rounder we are missing so batting averages etc are red herrings. Is Overton, or young Sam, the 4th best bowling option avaliable after Archer, Broad and Leach? If not they shouldn't be picked, regardless of they can bat or not.
IMO Woakes was England's 3rd best bowler pre Archer and would remain it post Anderson. His batting is/was irrelevant, or a bonus at best.
If they/you think Curren is the best bowler avaliable fair play, then fine pick him on that basis. But don't pick him cos he can "bat a bit".
They picked Denly because he could "bowl a bit" now he is the 2nd best opener in England. Give me a break.
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Just bought a ticket for Saturday and a train ticket. Eek.3
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Looks like it might rain a lot of today and a lot of Friday.
Saturday looks OK Suzi!1 -
killerandflash said:As a 3rd seamer , their bowling has to be key. Not sure either Overton or Curran are 3rd seamers really, who can prevent Stokes being overworked.0
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Rudders22 said:Did you enjoy that last test match Johhny?
What I saw off it mate, early doors it was frustrating (weather). On the final day I was just getting in from a pool comp when Stokesy needed 10 to win, what drama even from then. Innings of a lifetime that, was full of everything that test probably on par with the 20/20 win. Hopefully we can push on from here, I work from home so often try to get up on my phone in the background so I can watch most of it1 -
Lots of rain around for the first 3 days of the test.
Great idea playing a test match in Manchester in September!1 -
I can just see the top of the Shard...... :-)6
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Sunny at the moment in Manchester, think we’ll get through to lunch ok0
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Labuschagne just walked past me, didn't get a chance to sledge him or trip him up1
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Who won the toss? I am at hospital for my appt. No chance i will be home by 1pm. My appt was 10.40 and still waiting for xray.0
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Can traffic get quite bad getting away from Old Trafford CC?
Taking my Wife up to a Conference that she has on the weekend so driving up on Friday
Probably wont get to Trafford till 5 - 7pm0 -
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Rudders22 said:Who won the toss? I am at hospital for my appt. No chance i will be home by 1pm. My appt was 10.40 and still waiting for xray.0
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ForeverAddickted said:Can traffic get quite bad getting away from Old Trafford CC?
Taking my Wife up to a Conference that she has on the weekend so driving up on Friday
Probably wont get to Trafford till 5 - 7pm1 -
ForeverAddickted said:Rudders22 said:Who won the toss? I am at hospital for my appt. No chance i will be home by 1pm. My appt was 10.40 and still waiting for xray.0
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I'm expecting the Aussies to win this Test :-(1
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ForeverAddickted said:Rudders22 said:Who won the toss? I am at hospital for my appt. No chance i will be home by 1pm. My appt was 10.40 and still waiting for xray.0
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Covered End said:I'm expecting the Aussies to win this Test :-(
If they are not a bit shell-shocked by Headingley, and the fact they have won the toss, you would expect them to be favourites. As always , first session is key.0 -
Covered End said:I'm expecting the Aussies to win this Test :-(0
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Covered End said:I'm expecting the Aussies to win this Test :-(0
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Let's hope we bowl well before lunch. And bat brilliantly straight after.0
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Warner lasted twice as long as I thought he would.4