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Congratulations to the electorate who have put in power a strong Conservative majority under the leadership of Boris Johnson."Every nation gets the government it deserves."Joseph de Maistre
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That's really fair on places where the government are corrupt and the people have no choice about leadership.bobmunro said:Congratulations to the electorate who have put in power a strong Conservative majority under the leadership of Boris Johnson."Every nation gets the government it deserves."Joseph de Maistre1 -
Macronate said:
What a pathetic little man.AFKABartram said:Key example of my bug bear of over exaggeration and social media dominance in escalating a divisive society.
There will always be wallies with exaggerated views. That’s not a real problem, but social media gives them a platform and an encouragement to keep going more extreme. That nasty Katie Hopkins is one before some start scrambling to unwind bias.
The sad point in this is not that there’s an individual with this exaggerated view, it’s tge sheer volume of people that like, support, encourage it in just a few hours
@afka is not that bad.0 -
Dazzler21 said:
That's really fair on places where the government are corrupt and the people have no choice about leadership.bobmunro said:Congratulations to the electorate who have put in power a strong Conservative majority under the leadership of Boris Johnson."Every nation gets the government it deserves."Joseph de Maistre
de Maistre's quote is in the context of democracy.
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Well played captain Boris.
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Left back-wards Corbyn
Slightly left mid Swinton
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Nippy little Jock leftie Sturgeon still on the pitch at full time.0 -
On the other hand I have tried polite reason and illustrating why they are mistaken by showing them facts to deconstruct the reasons they have given for voting Tory, and been unfriended as a result.Chunes said:
Sad but true. A few people I know are Labour activists and during this election, and I saw undecided voters ask them very genuine questions on Facebook about policies and whatnot, and in return they got a lengthy, condescending lecture on how racist and bigoted it would be to vote for the Conservatives and how only stupid people would do that. Hardly going to pull people to your side.AFKABartram said:Key example of my bug bear of over exaggeration and social media dominance in escalating a divisive society.
There will always be wallies with exaggerated views. That’s not a real problem, but social media gives them a platform and an encouragement to keep going more extreme. That nasty Katie Hopkins is one before some start scrambling to unwind bias.
The sad point in this is not that there’s an individual with this exaggerated view, it’s tge sheer volume of people that like, support, encourage it in just a few hours
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FTSE rising and the pound rising at the same time (due to many earnings happening in dollars, there is often an inverse relationship) shows how positively this is regarded.
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Macronate said:
What a pathetic little man.AFKABartram said:Key example of my bug bear of over exaggeration and social media dominance in escalating a divisive society.
There will always be wallies with exaggerated views. That’s not a real problem, but social media gives them a platform and an encouragement to keep going more extreme. That nasty Katie Hopkins is one before some start scrambling to unwind bias.
The sad point in this is not that there’s an individual with this exaggerated view, it’s tge sheer volume of people that like, support, encourage it in just a few hours
I bumped into him a few times when I lived in Crystal Palace. He's a complete wanker.0 -
I'm sure your success rate over time would still be significantly higher!Algarveaddick said:
On the other hand I have tried polite reason and illustrating why they are mistaken by showing them facts to deconstruct the reasons they have given for voting Tory, and been unfriended as a result.Chunes said:
Sad but true. A few people I know are Labour activists and during this election, and I saw undecided voters ask them very genuine questions on Facebook about policies and whatnot, and in return they got a lengthy, condescending lecture on how racist and bigoted it would be to vote for the Conservatives and how only stupid people would do that. Hardly going to pull people to your side.AFKABartram said:Key example of my bug bear of over exaggeration and social media dominance in escalating a divisive society.
There will always be wallies with exaggerated views. That’s not a real problem, but social media gives them a platform and an encouragement to keep going more extreme. That nasty Katie Hopkins is one before some start scrambling to unwind bias.
The sad point in this is not that there’s an individual with this exaggerated view, it’s tge sheer volume of people that like, support, encourage it in just a few hours1 -
To make you chuckle, this is from a friend who was working at a polling station yesterday: "I had one 'choice' individual who bounced in and said, I've never voted before, but I love Boris, he's so funny, he's great, I love him, she went in the booth and came out and said, why is his name not on the paper? Say no more, all the polling staff were struggling not to give her a lecture in how it works."7
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You said you were going to spoil your ballot because everybody is useless, and only voted Tory at the very last second because you're a coward (your words). Quite strange to see you really owning this result...Huskaris said:FTSE rising and the pound rising at the same time (due to many earnings happening in dollars, there is often an inverse relationship) shows how positively this is regarded.2 -
Algarveaddick said:To make you chuckle, this is from a friend who was working at a polling station yesterday: "I had one 'choice' individual who bounced in and said, I've never voted before, but I love Boris, he's so funny, he's great, I love him, she went in the booth and came out and said, why is his name not on the paper? Say no more, all the polling staff were struggling not to give her a lecture in how it works."
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This is a unique situation with a lot of one time only Tory voters. Not sure this can be compared to the past where it's been impossible to turn over a lead. It's not a usual election.Callumcafc said:Thankfully the result hasn't been as disastrous as first feared. The Tories will still have a decent majority but it's not so large that it'll be impossible to overturn in five years. I thought we were looking at 2029 before the opposition had a shot.Time to get a new face in and take the progressive campaign in a different direction. The road to 2024 starts here.3 -
I am not owning the results! Just providing my usual balanced commentary! I am sure we have people on here that can provide an alternative interpretation of a rise in the stock market and the pound.Chunes said:
You said you were going to spoil your ballot because everybody is useless, and only voted Tory at the very last second because you're a coward (your words). Quite strange to see you really owning this result...Huskaris said:FTSE rising and the pound rising at the same time (due to many earnings happening in dollars, there is often an inverse relationship) shows how positively this is regarded.
I won't pretend I'm not incredibly happy that Labour lost though. I am incredibly happy at that, yes. Like I said, if Labour got in and I didn't at least register my vote as Conservative I would feel incredibly guilty to know I would be a part of the chaos to come.2 -
My favourite reason for someone voting for Boris was that they like the fact that he's quirky. Who needs manifestos?
Brexit appears to have been the key issue here along with how unpopular Corbyn is. The Tories now have to deliver Brexit and then decide how they will win the next election.
Labour need a new leader but if they're still dominated by Momentum you'd have to worry who it will be.1 -
BREAKING NEWS :Diane Abbott has just tweeted she's done the maths and thinks Labour can still form the next Government14
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The lady in question is not a liar. Very rude of you SA.SporadicAddick said:Algarveaddick said:To make you chuckle, this is from a friend who was working at a polling station yesterday: "I had one 'choice' individual who bounced in and said, I've never voted before, but I love Boris, he's so funny, he's great, I love him, she went in the booth and came out and said, why is his name not on the paper? Say no more, all the polling staff were struggling not to give her a lecture in how it works."
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"Progressive campaign" what utter utter bollox---- what's "progresr" about road blocking a DEMOCRATIC vote for three years ? What's "Progressive" about calling
17.5 million people bigots ,thick, etc etc.
It's your politics ,it's your hatred,it's your fecking fault that handed the Torys this huge victory.
Socialism dead and buried for GOOD by THE PEOPLE in 2019 thank feck7 -
A sad reflection on the intellect of the British electorate and one of the saddest days in the modern history of this country.7
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The Brexit vote was not democratic GH. Leave cheated. No matter how many times you pretend they didn't, they did.
Still it'll happen now, so stop worrying.
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@Algarveaddick Fair enough - apologies, but it does read like one of the countless social media threads with "real life" situations...Algarveaddick said:
The lady in question is not a liar. Very rude of you SA.SporadicAddick said:Algarveaddick said:To make you chuckle, this is from a friend who was working at a polling station yesterday: "I had one 'choice' individual who bounced in and said, I've never voted before, but I love Boris, he's so funny, he's great, I love him, she went in the booth and came out and said, why is his name not on the paper? Say no more, all the polling staff were struggling not to give her a lecture in how it works."
The reality however, is that this one individual hasn't defined the outcome one way or the other.
I am always amazed at the relative lack of political awareness that exists, and I do think it's a bit generational.
Pre referendum, I had late teen / early twentysomethings, on polling day, saying "I don't really get it..."
I heard the same on Wednesday from supposedly intelligent young people working in a global corporate business.
Rather than reducing the voting age, I'd prefer to see it go up a bit...
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He must have fitted in well there then.SantaClaus said:Macronate said:
What a pathetic little man.AFKABartram said:Key example of my bug bear of over exaggeration and social media dominance in escalating a divisive society.
There will always be wallies with exaggerated views. That’s not a real problem, but social media gives them a platform and an encouragement to keep going more extreme. That nasty Katie Hopkins is one before some start scrambling to unwind bias.
The sad point in this is not that there’s an individual with this exaggerated view, it’s tge sheer volume of people that like, support, encourage it in just a few hours
I bumped into him a few times when I lived in Crystal Palace. He's a complete wanker.2 -
So what type of Brexit would you like then? It's not democratic to deny people a vote on the type of deal.Goonerhater said:"Progressive campaign" what utter utter bollox---- what's "progresr" about road blocking a DEMOCRATIC vote for three years ? What's "Progressive" about calling
17.5 million people bigots ,thick, etc etc.
It's your politics ,it's your hatred,it's your fecking fault that handed the Torys this huge victory.
Socialism dead and buried for GOOD by THE PEOPLE in 2019 thank feck
I wasn't aware the Tory Party were so full of peace and love?0 -
Corbyn needs to go now. Not "after a period of reflection". My guess is he's trying to grip on to power until the EHRC investigation is concluded and gives its reccomendations. He'll cherry pick those so that it doesn't mean him and his mates will be expelled.2
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Greenwich been Labour for as long as i can remember, and I think that people move to certain areas if they're known to be strong Lab / Cons constituenciesAFKABartram said:Always amazes me how local areas can be so different in such a short distance.
My Bexley & Sidcup contingency the Conservatives got a 20k majority and 65% vote share, Labour 23%. Just a few miles away in Greenwich Conservative get just 22%, Labour 57%.0 -
Thanks SA, apology accepted. I think in the main, you may have a point, but if course there are some youngsters who are very switched on, and some oldens who are as thick as mince...SporadicAddick said:
@Algarveaddick Fair enough - apologies, but it does read like one of the countless social media threads with "real life" situations...Algarveaddick said:
The lady in question is not a liar. Very rude of you SA.SporadicAddick said:Algarveaddick said:To make you chuckle, this is from a friend who was working at a polling station yesterday: "I had one 'choice' individual who bounced in and said, I've never voted before, but I love Boris, he's so funny, he's great, I love him, she went in the booth and came out and said, why is his name not on the paper? Say no more, all the polling staff were struggling not to give her a lecture in how it works."
The reality however, is that this one individual hasn't defined the outcome one way or the other.
I am always amazed at the relative lack of political awareness that exists, and I do think it's a bit generational.
Pre referendum, I had late teen / early twentysomethings, on polling day, saying "I don't really get it..."
I heard the same on Wednesday from supposedly intelligent young people working in a global corporate business.
Rather than reducing the voting age, I'd prefer to see it go up a bit...
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mid_life_crisis said:A sad reflection on the intellect of the British electorate and one of the saddest days in the modern history of this country.I would say intellect has won here as Corbyn & Abbott have been banished to the wilderness.3
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Corbyn solely to blame here. If he was really 'for the many' then we would have stepped aside knowing how divisive he is as a party leader. Just imagine what could have been had the opposition actually had some credible people at the top table.
Hopefully this will see the end to the ridiculous shift to the left of momentum and their supporters in the party, perhaps a leader who takes a stance on Brexit and makes a public stand against anti-semitism.
I've voted Tory for years but couldn't do it this time around. I just can't remember a more unlikable group than BJ, Raab, JRM et al.3 -
Greenwich and Woolwich when they were separate were SDP in the 80s.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Greenwich been Labour for as long as i can remember, and I think that people move to certain areas if they're known to be strong Lab / Cons constituenciesAFKABartram said:Always amazes me how local areas can be so different in such a short distance.
My Bexley & Sidcup contingency the Conservatives got a 20k majority and 65% vote share, Labour 23%. Just a few miles away in Greenwich Conservative get just 22%, Labour 57%.
demographics of the areas are massively different, always been a snootiness to Sidcup/Bexley0
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