Taking this in isolation that was disgusting. Just got back on the coach and I was embarrassed to have to witness that. No positives and I’m amazed that the team got that sort of reaction in the end.
i will always defend the team and the management, because overall, they are giving it everything, but I just need this place tonight to vent.
Sarr, how many times is he going to cost us a goal. We can’t keep carrying him at this level. Our defence is really, really poor at the moment and it’s too much to expect a team full of youngsters in attack to score more than we concede in each game
Bowyer needs help in Jan and I pray we get this takeover and there is a bit of money there.
100% support as always and will be ready to get behind them against Swansea as we all will be, just thoroughly miserable at the manner of that defeat
Much respect for going tonight mate. As for Sarr I agree with you. Some on here though think he's a cross between Bobby Moore and George Costa
Think Bowyer is overworking the lads in the fitness sessions as they're tiring in games and he's trying to up their stamina.
He's missing a key thing, they need a recovery before games, not just after.
Should probably look something like this:
For weeks with only Sat fixtures Sunday - Rest Monday - Drills Tuesday - Fitness & Drills Wednesday - Fitness & Drills Thursday - Drills Friday - Rest Saturday - Game For weeks with midweek fixtures Sunday - Rest Monday - Drills Tuesday - Drills Wednesday - Game Thursday - Rest Friday - Drills Saturday - Game
The excessive nature of too many fitness sessions is really showing. I think there's a likelihood our nutrition isn't great either.
I agree - Bowyer and his team should certainly look into your ideas and possibly follow them - why they haven't considered some form of "plan" before is beyond me.
Perhaps they could also follow the Belgian ways of training, where sometimes the reserve team players line up and pretend to be the opposition to simulate real game situations. Not doing this is where Chris Powell went wrong, and I see Bowyer going the same way unless he listens to sound advice like yours.
How was the goal the 'result' of his poor pass???? It got picked up in their right-back area! He went out to challenge the winger, and we defended the ensuing low cross and rebound atrociously
That list of injuries shows the mountain we have to climb.
Only one defender on that list and we are pretty much “full strength” in that department. We went into the season knowing our defence would be average at best and we were relying on our midfield to protect them.
We have eight midfielders out injured.
We are protecting our poor back line with kids who should be playing for the under 23s.
Another Naby Sarr mistake for their first goal and then defenders to walk about for the second. Piss poor all round against 10 men and bollocks to the excuse being tired they were up for it in the last 10 minutes. Solly was nowhere near at the races today sorry I don’t like digging out specific players.
You clearly do. Sarr's pass was intercepted by their defender. Was the goal completely inevitable from then on? You make it out to be so
Sarrs pass was nowhere near a man in a red shirt. Then he gets caught out of position and hey presto we are 1-0 down. Again. Against Millwall didn't jump cost us the game. Did it against QPR for their first goal. I reckon I could go back and dig out plenty of other occasions where he has cost is goals but I am too pissed off to think about it. It’s getting beyond a joke now.
Sarr was going over as the left-back (where was Purrington???) to confront their winger who got his ball in. The rest was for the other defenders to deal with. Did they? Did they hell. It isn't 'beyond a joke' - Sarr has played pretty well the last few games (error vs QPR aside) and you're trying to make this a thing when it really isn't
Listen, I think overall Sarr had a reasonable game tonight. He wasn't any worse than the others. But not to blame him for his pass that led to the first goal is ludicrous.
He had all the time in the world. He wasn't under any pressure. He could have passed to a teammate or just hoofed it forward and cleared the danger. He didn't do either of things. Instead, he passed it straight to a Derby player and the rest is history.
Ok maybe the other defenders/goalkeeper could have done better. But if Sarr hadn't of presented the ball to the Derby player in the first place they wouldn't have had to do better.
I am blinkered too then. I think you have other players doing their jobs around him, you will see less mistakes from him. Defender passing ball out, show for him, don't give him a tricky ball. Other defenders would fart about with it and we get bogged down. Differnt problem maybe, but amounts to same thing. Midfield have to give defenders the easy out ball. But hey ho, blame the defender.
Been to 8 away games this season and in EVERY one of them we’ve let in 2 goals, and nearly all of them preventable.
It’s so frustrating as against a struggling team like Derby, 0-0 at half time and the crowd might have got restive. Instead we gift another soft goal and are then chasing the game.
Having seen Dempsey look anonymous for Dulwich vs Dartford I was amazed to see him come on tonight, but our squad is desperately stretched now. Even allowing for that, an unacceptable performance tonight
Good atmosphere from the home fans, the best I’ve seen this season
Another Naby Sarr mistake for their first goal and then defenders to walk about for the second. Piss poor all round against 10 men and bollocks to the excuse being tired they were up for it in the last 10 minutes. Solly was nowhere near at the races today sorry I don’t like digging out specific players.
You clearly do. Sarr's pass was intercepted by their defender. Was the goal completely inevitable from then on? You make it out to be so
Sarrs pass was nowhere near a man in a red shirt. Then he gets caught out of position and hey presto we are 1-0 down. Again. Against Millwall didn't jump cost us the game. Did it against QPR for their first goal. I reckon I could go back and dig out plenty of other occasions where he has cost is goals but I am too pissed off to think about it. It’s getting beyond a joke now.
I’m still gobsmacked the ball was played over to that side of the pitch. We had a free kick about 2 yards into our half. Solly was virtually standing next to Bowyer on the touch line when he took it. He passes it backwards, then it was passed across the back line until Sarr’s poor pass lost us possession. I understand we want to keep possession and long free kicks into the box are no longer fashionable until it gets to the 90th minute and you are a goal down. However, was there no one in front or to the side of Solly that he couldn’t have played the free kick to?
"Poor in posession. No shots on target until the penalty. Crossing poor. Quality poor. Got what we deserved - nothing. Second to everything tonight. No excuses. Not good enough tonight."
Bowyer's comments, not mine.
Even he's wrong we had at least 2 shots on target before the penalty.
I thought Sarr played well although I did think the goal came from his loose pass. But, he isn’t the problem. Our full backs are poor and Purringtons 7/10 have turned to 5’s. Solly isn’t good enough. However, the formation we play means they get zero protection and against clever championship players they get shown up. This isn’t Rochdale and Wycombe anymore.
Yet another game we lost by one goal, and yet another game one of those goals we condeded was from a terrible bit of basic defending.
But yeah injuries.
So you think Doughty | Dempsey | Davison | Morgan | Vennings would all be involved with the First Team if it werent for injuries?
Yeah, okay!!
What's that got to do with us conceding another poor goal, from another poor bit of defending fundamentals?
Go back and look at the highlights of our last 5 to 10 games. We have have drawn or lost most of them apart from Sheffield Wednesday by only one goal. I'm not having that convenient excuse about injuries being the reason we are conceding those poor goals.
Our defense has been what has been poor for us for a long while now, and they have been the fit blokes.
But who protects the Defence? - The Midfield!!... Who are in the Midfield?
Only experienced player you can rely on from that area is Pratley who hasnt put a foot wrong
Derby second goal comes from the Defence getting it out of the penalty spot and then the inexperienced midfielder (Morgan) not clearing the ball further from danger - Ball is being kicked anywhere because we dont have the Midfielders to carry the ball to safety and so create an attack of our own!!... If we had Williams or Cullen on the pitch then the ball is brought down and a long ball is sent for Taylor to run on to
Once again. Go back, look at some of the goals we have conceded, and look at how many have been from a duff clearance, or a poor pass, or a player not jumping or making a simple block. That's not down to the midfield, the down to the defender not doing the fundamentals correctly.
I'm not having a go at LB's management, or the players effort. In fact I think we are doing incredibly well as we are competing in each and every game which is testament to them.
I am however starting to get annoyed at people simply just blaming injuries or knackered players to cover up for mistakes that I personally don't think we should be making.
But this is the point I'm trying to make, would we be rushing our clearances if we had the likes of Williams | Cullen | Field in midfield
Or would it be a short pass to release them seeing that we've played on the counter so much under Bowyer
I'd agree with you when goals like the first conceded tonight, but I think we'd be making less poor passes from defence - Experienced players, even in midfield know even if a pass is going to fall short, will be able to react to that... the opposition on the other hand are benefiting - I just hope I can be proven right when we start getting everyone back as I fully believe that the mistakes will start to disappear, at the moment though I struggle to see that happening as when one player returns, another is gone!!
Look don't get me wrong, with our fully fit first team back (especially Cullen) we would control game more and thus the opposition we create less attacking chances.
However even with those players out, there's not really been a game I would say I thought we were completely out of a depth and didn't look like we belonged. And that's down to the way Bowyer has us set up and how the players work for each other and run themselves into the ground.
However now even with our weaker team I wouldn't say defenders are rushing clearances. In fact it's quiet the opposite we often try to be to cute with the ball instead of being direct or smashing the ball out of play and it's costing us.
Let's look at the positives: 1. It was nice seeing a match with both teams opting to wear their traditional first choice colours. 2. No-one can blame the ref. 3. Err, that's it, there is no three.
Think Bowyer is overworking the lads in the fitness sessions as they're tiring in games and he's trying to up their stamina.
He's missing a key thing, they need a recovery before games, not just after.
Should probably look something like this:
For weeks with only Sat fixtures Sunday - Rest Monday - Drills Tuesday - Fitness & Drills Wednesday - Fitness & Drills Thursday - Drills Friday - Rest Saturday - Game For weeks with midweek fixtures Sunday - Rest Monday - Drills Tuesday - Drills Wednesday - Game Thursday - Rest Friday - Drills Saturday - Game
The excessive nature of too many fitness sessions is really showing. I think there's a likelihood our nutrition isn't great either.
No disrespect Dazzler, but ignoring the fact they will have a number of specifically qualified fitness instructors, you have no idea what regime they are following.
i would pretty much guarantee that non-injured players would have done zero fitness work or drills over the last sat month. They would be doing rest, recovery, shape work with ball and set plays specifically for the next game. And little else.
Sarr isn't as good a defender as Lockyer, or Bauer come to that, but he's far from our main issues right now and I don't agree he was guilty for the 1st goal. On that basis i'm sure Phillips has taken a goal kick or cleared the ball and then eventually it's come back and resulted in us letting in a goal.
As for the second goal Purrington seemed to be sharing right back responsibilities with Solly! On todays performance neither were particularly good in either position!
Ultimately we're running on empty, players playing who shouldn't be, players that need a rest (Gallagher and Pratley) and some just had a bad game.
I was at the QPR game and some of the stick Sarr got was terrible saying he was the worst player in the league ( he certainly is not ) and he dug is out of a hole but he is consistently making mistakes that cost us. I will always get behind our players during the game but when you reflect afterwards its hard not to see what’s happening and not say anything.
Taking this in isolation that was disgusting. Just got back on the coach and I was embarrassed to have to witness that. No positives and I’m amazed that the team got that sort of reaction in the end.
i will always defend the team and the management, because overall, they are giving it everything, but I just need this place tonight to vent.
Sarr, how many times is he going to cost us a goal. We can’t keep carrying him at this level. Our defence is really, really poor at the moment and it’s too much to expect a team full of youngsters in attack to score more than we concede in each game
Bowyer needs help in Jan and I pray we get this takeover and there is a bit of money there.
100% support as always and will be ready to get behind them against Swansea as we all will be, just thoroughly miserable at the manner of that defeat
Much respect for going tonight mate. As for Sarr I agree with you. Some on here though think he's a cross between Bobby Moore and George Costa
Being at the game highlights just how poor he is.
Millwall, QPR, here. Mistake after mistake. I simply can't agree that not tracking back 55 minutes into a game is nothing but being lazy and not wanting it enough.
He's simply not good enough at this level. We have players trying their hardest who aren't talented but would never give up.
Yet another game we lost by one goal, and yet another game one of those goals we condeded was from a terrible bit of basic defending.
But yeah injuries.
So you think Doughty | Dempsey | Davison | Morgan | Vennings would all be involved with the First Team if it werent for injuries?
Yeah, okay!!
What's that got to do with us conceding another poor goal, from another poor bit of defending fundamentals?
Go back and look at the highlights of our last 5 to 10 games. We have have drawn or lost most of them apart from Sheffield Wednesday by only one goal. I'm not having that convenient excuse about injuries being the reason we are conceding those poor goals.
Our defense has been what has been poor for us for a long while now, and they have been the fit blokes.
But who protects the Defence? - The Midfield!!... Who are in the Midfield?
Only experienced player you can rely on from that area is Pratley who hasnt put a foot wrong
Derby second goal comes from the Defence getting it out of the penalty spot and then the inexperienced midfielder (Morgan) not clearing the ball further from danger - Ball is being kicked anywhere because we dont have the Midfielders to carry the ball to safety and so create an attack of our own!!... If we had Williams or Cullen on the pitch then the ball is brought down and a long ball is sent for Taylor to run on to
Once again. Go back, look at some of the goals we have conceded, and look at how many have been from a duff clearance, or a poor pass, or a player not jumping or making a simple block. That's not down to the midfield, the down to the defender not doing the fundamentals correctly.
I'm not having a go at LB's management, or the players effort. In fact I think we are doing incredibly well as we are competing in each and every game which is testament to them.
I am however starting to get annoyed at people simply just blaming injuries or knackered players to cover up for mistakes that I personally don't think we should be making.
The defence is under a lot of pressure because our midfield and attack aren’t good enough at winning the ball, keeping possession, creating chances and scoring goals.
To add to that we have full backs that offer nothing going forward which further limits what we can do when we have the ball.
To properly compete at this level we need more players in the squad with the quality of Taylor, Williams, Cullen, Lockyer and Gallagher.
Our budget has meant it’s questionable whether the back ups in Aneke, JFC, Oztumer etc are good enough, but they’re at least experienced pro’s proven in the leagues below.
Morgan, Doughty etc on the other hand earlier this season were playing u23 football, or in non-league divisions which aren’t even fully professional. I’m not surprised they struggled, some of them started the season as what, 12-15th choices in midfield? I get Bowyer saying no excuses, he’s got to push them as much as he can, but the midfield and attack that ended the game today doesn’t have the quality and experience for League 1, never mind the Championship. That’s not an excuse, it’s the reality.
Let's look at the positives: 1. It was nice seeing a match with both teams opting to wear their traditional first choice colours. 2. No-one can blame the ref. 3. Err, that's it, there is no three.
A terrible game from our part - a complete clusterf***, in fact.
This is not the fault of the team. This is not the fault of the manager.
This is 100%, completely and entirely the fault of Roland Duchatalet who has not invested the necessary funds into the playing budget and the medical budget. And I'm putting a little bit of blame in the direction of the FA who are dragging their heels on Fit and Proper status of the potential owner and his funds - that might have given a bit of a boost, too.
We're riddled with injuries and down to relying on the least experienced members of the team. Given the state of who we have to select for the team, I actually think we are doing better than might be expected.
We all know that if we had a fully fit first team we would have wiped the floor with Derby. So safe in that knowledge, I'll not get on the back of the players, manager, coaching staff or back-room teams, and I'll give it with both metaphorical barrels to the Rat.
Another Naby Sarr mistake for their first goal and then defenders to walk about for the second. Piss poor all round against 10 men and bollocks to the excuse being tired they were up for it in the last 10 minutes. Solly was nowhere near at the races today sorry I don’t like digging out specific players.
You clearly do. Sarr's pass was intercepted by their defender. Was the goal completely inevitable from then on? You make it out to be so
Sarrs pass was nowhere near a man in a red shirt. Then he gets caught out of position and hey presto we are 1-0 down. Again. Against Millwall didn't jump cost us the game. Did it against QPR for their first goal. I reckon I could go back and dig out plenty of other occasions where he has cost is goals but I am too pissed off to think about it. It’s getting beyond a joke now.
I’m still gobsmacked the ball was played over to that side of the pitch. We had a free kick about 2 yards into our half. Solly was virtually standing next to Bowyer on the touch line when he took it. He passes it backwards, then it was passed across the back line until Sarr’s poor pass lost us possession. I understand we want to keep possession and long free kicks into the box are no longer fashionable until it gets to the 90th minute and you are a goal down. However, was there no one in front or to the side of Solly that he couldn’t have played the free kick to?
This is because nobody shows and Sarr is the only person who tries to make positive passes so we fart about until he gets it. If you look for the problem in the wrong place, you will never solve it.
How was the goal the 'result' of his poor pass???? It got picked up in their right-back area! He went out to challenge the winger, and we defended the ensuing low cross and rebound atrociously
Come on, he played it short of our man straight to theirs and was a passenger in tracking back. QPR, millwall, Luton, Hull, tonight are all games off the top of my head where he has directly influenced a goal for the opposition. You’re making yourself look a prick with this weird obsession.
Most worrying thing for me the last 10 games is defenders suddenly forgetting how to defend, gone from looking solid at the back and hard to beat to looking like we will concede every time the opposition attack.
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As for Sarr I agree with you.
Some on here though think he's a cross between Bobby Moore and George Costa
If that was our team for the rest of the season we would get relegated.
It will not be our team for the rest of the season.
We are unlikely to get relegated unless this takeover fails to go through.
Perhaps they could also follow the Belgian ways of training, where sometimes the reserve team players line up and pretend to be the opposition to simulate real game situations. Not doing this is where Chris Powell went wrong, and I see Bowyer going the same way unless he listens to sound advice like yours.
Only one defender on that list and we are pretty much “full strength” in that department. We went into the season knowing our defence would be average at best and we were relying on our midfield to protect them.
We have eight midfielders out injured.
We are protecting our poor back line with kids who should be playing for the under 23s.
He had all the time in the world. He wasn't under any pressure. He could have passed to a teammate or just hoofed it forward and cleared the danger. He didn't do either of things. Instead, he passed it straight to a Derby player and the rest is history.
Ok maybe the other defenders/goalkeeper could have done better. But if Sarr hadn't of presented the ball to the Derby player in the first place they wouldn't have had to do better.
It’s so frustrating as against a struggling team like Derby, 0-0 at half time and the crowd might have got restive. Instead we gift another soft goal and are then chasing the game.
Having seen Dempsey look anonymous for Dulwich vs Dartford I was amazed to see him come on tonight, but our squad is desperately stretched now. Even allowing for that, an unacceptable performance tonight
Good atmosphere from the home fans, the best I’ve seen this season
However even with those players out, there's not really been a game I would say I thought we were completely out of a depth and didn't look like we belonged. And that's down to the way Bowyer has us set up and how the players work for each other and run themselves into the ground.
However now even with our weaker team I wouldn't say defenders are rushing clearances. In fact it's quiet the opposite we often try to be to cute with the ball instead of being direct or smashing the ball out of play and it's costing us.
No disrespect Dazzler, but ignoring the fact they will have a number of specifically qualified fitness instructors, you have no idea what regime they are following.
i would pretty much guarantee that non-injured players would have done zero fitness work or drills over the last sat month. They would be doing rest, recovery, shape work with ball and set plays specifically for the next game. And little else.
As for the second goal Purrington seemed to be sharing right back responsibilities with Solly! On todays performance neither were particularly good in either position!
Ultimately we're running on empty, players playing who shouldn't be, players that need a rest (Gallagher and Pratley) and some just had a bad game.
Disappointing, but it is what it is as they say.
Millwall, QPR, here. Mistake after mistake. I simply can't agree that not tracking back 55 minutes into a game is nothing but being lazy and not wanting it enough.
He's simply not good enough at this level. We have players trying their hardest who aren't talented but would never give up.
To add to that we have full backs that offer nothing going forward which further limits what we can do when we have the ball.
To properly compete at this level we need more players in the squad with the quality of Taylor, Williams, Cullen, Lockyer and Gallagher.
Our budget has meant it’s questionable whether the back ups in Aneke, JFC, Oztumer etc are good enough, but they’re at least experienced pro’s proven in the leagues below.
Morgan, Doughty etc on the other hand earlier this season were playing u23 football, or in non-league divisions which aren’t even fully professional. I’m not surprised they struggled, some of them started the season as what, 12-15th choices in midfield? I get Bowyer saying no excuses, he’s got to push them as much as he can, but the midfield and attack that ended the game today doesn’t have the quality and experience for League 1, never mind the Championship. That’s not an excuse, it’s the reality.
A terrible game from our part - a complete clusterf***, in fact.
This is not the fault of the team.
This is not the fault of the manager.
This is 100%, completely and entirely the fault of Roland Duchatalet who has not invested the necessary funds into the playing budget and the medical budget.
And I'm putting a little bit of blame in the direction of the FA who are dragging their heels on Fit and Proper status of the potential owner and his funds - that might have given a bit of a boost, too.
We're riddled with injuries and down to relying on the least experienced members of the team. Given the state of who we have to select for the team, I actually think we are doing better than might be expected.
We all know that if we had a fully fit first team we would have wiped the floor with Derby. So safe in that knowledge, I'll not get on the back of the players, manager, coaching staff or back-room teams, and I'll give it with both metaphorical barrels to the Rat.